As for why Clumsy is scum specifically? Let's take a look.
1) Almost nil game related content in their ISO.
There is a fuckton of active lurking, a fuckton of buddying, but almost no actual game related content in their iso. I'm going to go through the entire game and pin out the parts where they actually give thoughts on other people for alignment indicative reasons. It won't take long.
I'm not liking Rautherdir so far. His posts are coming off awkwardly. Anyone played with him before?
Iso #7 and he finally gives a read on someone and it's to call them 'awkward' then immediately ask for a second opinion.
No opinion on the Maria vote.
All of these responses are terrible. It's an early wagon on day 1, and it's IMMEDIATELY AtE. I think my vote is staying here today unless I'm really convinced about someone else.
Clumsy knows that Maria is known for AtE, this isn't a thing.
And 'oh my vote is staying here unless I'm really convinced'? That's a scum qualifier, through and through. And do you really think town!Clumsy declares intent to deathtunnel this early?
drealmerz7 not doing anything day 1 is NAI. I'm a bit wary of Gerry here, but MariaR stands out the most.
why?
I really really don't like this post at all. Radiant, you've played with Maria before, I have not, you said the AtE isn't alignment indicative from them? That's still screaming at me.
Proxying their opinion on Maria's reads to me. The frequency of them doing stuff like this suggests that they aren't comfortable generating their own reads.
I further read this as an attempt to gauge my willingness to get back on the wagon to determine whether they want to stay there; regardless of Maria's alignment.
Note in spite of putting this as 'alignment indicative' it's only such in the absolute loosest sense because all he does is say that Maria's scummy because of AtE.
Wtf why are you claiming this? There's no reason to do so, you're just giving scum info here. If this is true, just wtf
This is a super, super, super hard buddy tell by the way.
In post 1335, Clumsy wrote:Wow.
VOTE: Coke and Pepsiman
Should be L-2 but I don't think anyone should care. I'm interested in the MariaR v Gerry, but we deal with this first.
That move makes Bulge town I think. I skimmed Kid's catchup, I like it but I have a bad habit of townreading catchup posts in general.
Been over this before but it's really dirty.
1) Frames the discussion to continue the Maria BS tomorrow.
2) Calls Bulge town for virtually nothing, no explanation. Gives a really qualified TR on Kid with a really weird qualifier that doesn't make much sense.
In post 1341, Clumsy wrote:So correct me if I'm wrong here, but the progression was "We're Masons", to "We have role flavor that confirms us as town together" to "We are Lovers"? Yeah no, that backpedaling is gross.
This was never ever backpedalling: even I agreed that Cloud didn't understand his role PM. even I agreed that he was town.
It's also really telling that his explanation of the scumread on Alihydra comes AFTER the fact of the vote.
In post 1399, Clumsy wrote:Anyone that isn't on the Pepsiman wagon: do you town read them? If so, why? If not, why aren't you voting them after fake claiming Masons?
Also I feel like half the game is missing.
Again he's framing this as 'LYNCH THEM FOR FAKE CLAIMING MASONS'. Fakeclaiming masons isn't scummy. AtEing isn't scummy. Ali was scumread for their behaviour not the claim and it's a really scummy way to dumb down the discussion and reduce it to a sound byte. It reminds me of JJD in 1875 pushing on me for 'claiming cop D1' while ignoring the complexities.
If we have a vig, can they shoot either BTD6 or Pine please? I love Pine, but they've been doing nothing in games lately, and in Darkest Dungeon where he seemed to start this, his slot was scum. Makes it hard to read him. Rauth, where are your thoughts with the game right now? Have a better vote than no lynch?
Also want to point out that he, in reaction to a vig being brought up, immediately tries to leash it onto lurkers.
Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?
Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)
Again trying to proxy their read out and use Math as an excuse to change their read on me.
In post 1861, Clumsy wrote:The RC reaction seems really over the top and unwarranted. Math hasn't done anything to slight him in this game. I don't get it. -shrug-
We seem to have quite a few players that seem to not be here. I forgot some were in the game at all.
I'm reading through links right now, but I'm also cool with Maria wagon I think. Who was it that told me I was wrong with my Maria scumread Day 1? Why was that again?
Using a clearly NAI rant that was brought out by stuff outside of the game and was obviously so as an excuse to scumread us is awful.
Also feels like they're trying to tie me to Maria which feels really bad.
In post 1904, Clumsy wrote: In post 1883, momo wrote:Hello, made myself some popcorn and am ready to play.
So I see my slot has never had a vote on them..Any reason why.
Also, I am going to do an ubiased vca...
Pine was completely MIA this game, and Day One was... a thing.
Looking forward to this case.
In post 1891, MathBlade wrote:Because MariaR has a defined tell which I outed and arguments for Clumsy scum rely on a bus so then MariaR has to be scum for Clumsy in those arguments to be but MariaR Clumsy Town can be a thing.
KidAmn read is now null scumlean
I'm gonna need explanation on that Kid read.
I'm not completely seeing the Scum!RT case here. I believe MariaR has 3 or 4 on her right now.
VOTE: MariaR
Wagon on me dies, jumps on Maria with minimal explanation.