DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[drealmerz7]

I gotta go

[The Wood Cutters]

In DBZ Abridged, we blitz lynched a lurker due to a strong town core. It wasn't a healthy wagon, but the nature of it left scum in an awkward position and we caught them pretty much immediately after. In John Wick Mafia, we lynched a non poster because of a strong core, hit the role blocker and broke the game from there. In Hydra game 4 (I think), Tammy and I pressed a lynch on a lurker who ended up being the scum we would investigate and lunch the next day. We broke the game from there.

Lynching scum is always the main focus, information is from the game, not the wagons in the game. Information from a wagon doesn't disappear just because you decide to lunch someone else.

[Infinity 324]

How did CK's entrance look townie?

I'm way too tired, sorry.

My vote is staying on fitz unless it needs to move to avoid a no lynch.

Without us on the fitz wagon it simply doesn't have the numbers and I can promise you that our vote will not be on Fitz today. Simple logistics


So, if you don't switch, then it will in fact be a no lynch.

/Gin

You wouldn't vote fitz to avoid a no lynch?

...

...ok

[The Wood Cutters]

oh please, you did not just go there, this is such a scum post

NO SHIT, but you don't have a scum result on any slot, do you, no you don't

Your argument is that I should lynch a townread because of the nebulous "information" concept. My rebuttal directly refutes that.

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz. The whole day has been revolving about these two slots. Everyone has analyzed and reanalyzed every single move each made. Letting both slots live and looking for a lynch outside the two is inexplicable to me.

Furthermore. the fitz claim is so weak it could very well be considered a VT claim for all practical purposes. Commuter is hardly beneficial to Town and especially so when it's non-consecutive. It could very well be an ascetic scum for all I care.

I don't want to address the favour either because I'm no expert in flavour, but I do have 2 issues, the first of which is he claimed a non-monarch to begin with. This actually relates to the second issue: Is Aris modding meta to provide fake claims or not? If it is, then I'll take that claim with a grain of salt and eat rope in his stead. If not, then it probably was a poor choice that had to be outside of the actual monarch's for fear of a CC.

Well, you may ignore all my flavour argument part, but I want you to consider the first argument mostly. Who has said what regarding CK that would make a CK flip helpful in D2?

BTW, I've been skimming large chunks of the game lately. I've resigned to have a very limited number of posts (if any) until the end of the day because I had RL emotional issues are likely to make me either too grumpy or totally apathetic (i.e. not my usual self either way).

~A50

[The Wood Cutters]

I never said to lock the claims in as 100% true, it's about there being a claim at all, even if you don't believe it

I claim even night bumblefucker.

Because the claim is clearly untrue, and since I'm claiming it only to prove a point, the claim doesn't actually tell you what my real role is. Because Almost Chara was claiming for a gambit and didn't mean it as a real claim, the VT claim doesn't actually have anything to do with their alignment.

[The Wood Cutters]

How did CK's entrance look townie?

I'm way too tired, sorry.

My vote is staying on fitz unless it needs to move to avoid a no lynch.

Without us on the fitz wagon it simply doesn't have the numbers and I can promise you that our vote will not be on Fitz today. Simple logistics


So, if you don't switch, then it will in fact be a no lynch.

/Gin

You wouldn't vote fitz to avoid a no lynch?

...

...ok

Hi, I'm Gin. I'm a stubborn fuck

I personally will never cast the vote on Fitz today, short of a guilty, but Nacho would >_>

[Infinity 324]

I'm town town. Catching up in 50+ page game I replaced into to help mod and for player list only to be forced to claim and face D1 lyching for shit reasoning is very aggravating.

I'm town.
Town needs to exit my wagon and look elsewhere.

TWC, I found this vaguely similar to the post he made in the game you linked.

[The Wood Cutters]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

[The Wood Cutters]

Information>Scum is why town loses.

[The Wood Cutters]

If you are town, I hope you change your approach in the future once you're spoiled.

I love when people (scum or town) pushing mislynches shift all the blame on the person being lynched. It's not your fault town!TWC your read on my is shit. It's my fault for being so darn scummy. Shame on me!

If Fitz flips scum can we flip Sheppy for the terribad defense of Fitz?

When Fitz flips town can we lynch AC, TWC and Cloud.

And call my townreads voting me dumbasses?

But still, fitz should claim for sure and someone should probably hammer him soon.

Just noticed I'm at L-1.

I'm an odd night commuter.

Heading out for the evening....probably not back online until the morning, if I survive.

thats looks stupidly convenient

What does? Having plans for the evening or my claim?

If I was going to fakeclaim as scum I'd pick a valuable pr that...
1) town wouldn't want to lynch on D1
2) if cc'd...would give the scum buddies trying so hard to save me a juicy nk target.

But no... I get a short commuter or. How is that convenient?

fitz has done nothing town.

Well...I've revived a dead lurker slot. I may have correctly determined your alignment. I may have found scum.

All good stuff.

What have I done that's scummy?

This is a good point and another example of shaddow thinking deeper than I remember him doing as scum.

Thinking deeper means crap when supporting a mislynch.

I'd vote fitz over ac at this current stage.

Boo.

All of these posts don't look like the other game though!

[The Wood Cutters]

The "it sucks to be lynched for such shit reasons" also looks pretty different on its own.
Do you at least see my point that there's a pretty significant difference?

[Infinity 324]

Oh, you're the one pushing the wagon on me?
Too bad, I think you're scum.

Different circumstances affect scum's reads. And, eventually he was much more cooperative with you.

Just because it was the correct play to cooperate with you and appeal to you in the first place doesn't mean frustrated scum is going to do it.

[Infinity 324]

The "it sucks to be lynched for such shit reasons" also looks pretty different on its own.
Do you at least see my point that there's a pretty significant difference?

I probably didn't look into it deeply enough.

[The Wood Cutters]

Furthermore. the fitz claim is so weak it could very well be considered a VT claim for all practical purposes.

Correct. As scum, he's demonstrated that he's smart enough and very strongly believes that he shouldn't claim VT when he's this close to death because it fucks his team over. Here, he's effectively claiming VT. This is a reason to townread him.

[Infinity 324]

Break out scum games exist but generally someone who is having a breakout scumgame sure as shit don't deserve to be lynched Day 1 since it's far more likely that they're just town.

But this is not a breakout scum game except for that one point. The vast majority of fitz's posts I can easily ensivion from frustrated scum.

[Wraith]

wtf guys 6 fucking pages?

I'm still at work ffs

[The Wood Cutters]

I probably didn't look into it deeply enough.

Nacho and I debated this for about 4 hours last night on just Fitz.

We are just trying to share our results of what we have concluded too.

[The Wood Cutters]

Oh, you're the one pushing the wagon on me?
Too bad, I think you're scum.

Different circumstances affect scum's reads. And, eventually he was much more cooperative with you.

Just because it was the correct play to cooperate with you and appeal to you in the first place doesn't mean frustrated scum is going to do it.

I've had many a townie spit in my face while I was tunneling the shit out of them.
I haven't had nearly as many scum do it to me until I specifically tell them that I townread it, and it even then it very rarely gets a townread from me.

I've also seen scum mad they were caught for the wrong reasons, that looks nothing like it.

[Wraith]

The VT claim was a gambit.

smh

[Commander Shepard]

AC can you flavor claim?

AC + TWC scum.

I have suspected AC was lying scum but now I am pretty damn sure of it and TWC knowing the claim isn't genuine rather than believing the claim isn't genuine makes both people scum.

@TWC I can't find any mastina posts. Help me out here?

[The Wood Cutters]

Break out scum games exist but generally someone who is having a breakout scumgame sure as shit don't deserve to be lynched Day 1 since it's far more likely that they're just town.

But this is not a breakout scum game except for that one point. The vast majority of fitz's posts I can easily ensivion from frustrated scum.

That one point + the claim point.
The rest could certainly be scum but I don't think anyone has put a case out for why it very strongly can't be town.

[The Wood Cutters]

wtf guys 6 fucking pages?

I'm still at work ffs

Oh honey, be glad this isn't Camn's Revenge. You would have woken up to 18 pages and 450 posts to read with me and Nacho talking in the thread. We gave you the courtesy of putting that in the PT

[The Wood Cutters]

@TWC I can't find any mastina posts. Help me out here?

If you're completely unwilling to cooperate with me, I won't be helping you out in ways like this.

[The Wood Cutters]

TWC knowing the claim isn't genuine

Keep in mind that I know that VT claim is a gambit because AC SAID THAT IT WAS A GAMBIT.