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[zakk]

LMAO keep trying to prove it wrong though because you're literally the only one who looks bad here.

Ramcius looks super town to me, and Keyser was digging more into the theory and asking me to state it more clearly, because he's TRYING to figure out if there's a mole...

But you're the one trying to poke holes in it.





HOWEVER.... due diligence. Poke all the holes you want. If you can discredit the theory... that'd actually be preferable, because I want to be wrong because that'd be awesome to have that town block.

I'm trying to understand how you're reaching the most unlikeliest conclusion in my opinion.

I think the theory is a waste of time since I know I'm town and I town read Kesyer and Ram Ram.

Which scenario do you think is most likely of the 4 I posted then?

Option 3? No scum in the hood and Ircher is lying?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LMAO keep trying to prove it wrong though because you're literally the only one who looks bad here.

Ramcius looks super town to me, and Keyser was digging more into the theory and asking me to state it more clearly, because he's TRYING to figure out if there's a mole...

But you're the one trying to poke holes in it.





HOWEVER.... due diligence. Poke all the holes you want. If you can discredit the theory... that'd actually be preferable, because I want to be wrong because that'd be awesome to have that town block.

I'm trying to understand how you're reaching the most unlikeliest conclusion in my opinion.

I think the theory is a waste of time since I know I'm town and I town read Kesyer and Ram Ram.

Which scenario do you think is most likely of the 4 I posted then?

Option 3? No scum in the hood and Ircher is lying?

No scum in the hood because I have stronger scum reads and I don't trust flipped scum.

[zakk]

It's not a stretch to think that scum missed that. Haha

If I missed it, ANYONE could miss it

I think it is considering scum are the informed majority and would be more aware of that sort of thing in general.

Fair point.........

Ugh I'm re-reading you.

Later tho I g2g, been on here for hours.
Bye for now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'll wait for shos but I think if you guys are hinting at what I think you are, the last scum from my PoV is in

{BTD's slot, Creature, Nero}

For those scum reading rb, I believe he's leaving the site. I don't think he would replace out as scum because Nero had him on his PoE list.

[shos]

to self: read from 2612.

night guys. tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

Why am I suddenly a scum read for you Luv?

[momo]

I didn't really see rb's replace out coming but I am pretty sure I only got the slightest scum vibes from him which mainly consisted of just declaring everyone in our pt including himself as town.


I still don't think he was scum though.

[Creature]

rb's replace out is very null.

[WhemeStar]

RB replaced out cause of an

[REDACTED]

, he just became done with mafia

Please don't talk about an ongoing game. I know that you're not specifically talking it, but it pertains that you have a knowledge about an ongoing game. Thank you!

[zakk]

I get back 4 hours later to a grand total of 6 posts

Hoo fkn ray

What do you guys think of my theory tho

[keyenpeydee]

ThinkBig replaces BTD6_maker! Welcome!

[keyenpeydee]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 4.06

[2] ThinkBig:

WhemeStar, shos,

[2] zakk:

PeregrineV, Ramcius,

[1] Keyser Söze:

momo,

[1 Lil Uzi Vert:

Nero Cain,

[8] Not Voting:

alban, Keyser Söze, ThinkBig, Creature, zakk, Lil Uzi Vert,

MOD NOTES:

Read the below post.

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day Three will end in

(expired on 2017-05-10 00:05:00)

.

[Ramcius]

Why aren't you considering Nero? I haven't felt good about some of his recent statements and my recent interactions with him.

cause i lean town on him, and why Nero over alban in this case?

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.

[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].

Yea sure.

So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo)

, whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).

Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.

There's four possibilities here:

1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.

2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.

3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.

Note:

At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.

And now we're up to speed. I think.

it sounds nice, but you miss 1 small detail - it was Ircher, who told us bus driver not work on serums, so they learned that before presumably using their ability on Srceen N1? or after it failed? Maybe they tried setup RM with bus drive? As i said, whole this is big WIFOM, so i rather not dig there now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why am I suddenly a scum read for you Luv?

I'm suddenly scum reading you because of our most recent back and forth, your shade throwing, and PoE.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rb's replace out is very null.

Why should his slot be considered?

[Nero Cain]

Why am I suddenly a scum read for you Luv?

I'm suddenly scum reading you because of our most recent back and forth, your shade throwing

My bad. I expect a college boy to be able to read and understand things. Wheme had made it clear that he was town reading Momo and I think his post was clear as day that he wasn't calling him scum. You wanna spin it as shade throwing? Let us call a spade a spade and that I was calling

YOU

out on bullshit.

and PoE.

and the reason that you are SK hunting over team hunting?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why am I suddenly a scum read for you Luv?

I'm suddenly scum reading you because of our most recent back and forth, your shade throwing

My bad. I expect a college boy to be able to read and understand things. Wheme had made it clear that he was town reading Momo and I think his post was clear as day that he wasn't calling him scum. You wanna spin it as shade throwing? Let us call a spade a spade and that I was calling

YOU

out on bullshit.

and PoE.

and the reason that you are SK hunting over team hunting?

What? I've not and never have been SK hunting...

[shos]

to self: read from 2612.

night guys. tomorrow.

thanks! reading up

[Keyser Söze]

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

Another problem with your theory zakk is that the serum's shouldn't be affected by things like bus driver. Or at least I think? I think the mod mentioned something like that earlier.

it sounds nice, but you miss 1 small detail - it was Ircher, who told us bus driver not work on serums, so they learned that before presumably using their ability on Srceen N1? or after it failed? Maybe they tried setup RM with bus drive? As i said, whole this is big WIFOM, so i rather not dig there now

Yes, that's the clincher for me: did scum not know that the

faction abilities

bypass the

player's abilities

? If they did, it kind of weakens this theory, making me uncertain whether I'd lynch in LUV/Ramcius (today).
We would also have to assume mafia were being very optimistic in hoping everything would fall as precisely into place as they'd planned.

In zakk's theory, mafia basically just f****d up their gambit...

Was there any confirmation/suggestion from keyenpeydee about the fact that faction abilities bypassed player's abilities BEFORE NIGHT 1?

[Ramcius]

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

Another problem with your theory zakk is that the serum's shouldn't be affected by things like bus driver. Or at least I think? I think the mod mentioned something like that earlier.

it sounds nice, but you miss 1 small detail - it was Ircher, who told us bus driver not work on serums, so they learned that before presumably using their ability on Srceen N1? or after it failed? Maybe they tried setup RM with bus drive? As i said, whole this is big WIFOM, so i rather not dig there now

Yes, that's the clincher for me: did scum not know that the

faction abilities

bypass the

player's abilities

? If they did, it kind of weakens this theory, making me uncertain whether I'd lynch in LUV/Ramcius (today).
We would also have to assume mafia were being very optimistic in hoping everything would fall as precisely into place as they'd planned.

In zakk's theory, mafia basically just f****d up their gambit...

Was there any confirmation/suggestion from keyenpeydee about the fact that faction abilities bypassed player's abilities BEFORE NIGHT 1?

i don't remember any and Ircher said he PM'ed mod to learn it

[Keyser Söze]

Serum abilities bypass roles.

There's this thing called pm'ing the mod and asking.

Interesting. Very interesting.

[Keyser Söze]

Ircher claimed bus driver in our PT.

Was anything discussed in regard who he was going to choose to target?

[Creature]

No, he just said that he was going bus drive momo and me.

[zakk]

Let's just put this to rest:

@mod: Do serum abilities supersede/bypass/overrule/etc. role abilities?

[zakk]

e.g... OR, do night actions resolve in proper resolution order, no matter the manner/method in which they were submitted?