Mini 1907: Oddrole Mafia IV (Game over)

[GinghamDog]

Town-leaning on Creature based on his meta. He's actually participating in this game, which is a common town tell for him specifically. He was SK last time and getting him to post was like pulling teeth. But I'm only leaning town, since I find him to be a particularly obtuse player at times, and meta changes.

Not feeling the Chick wagon right now. Her tone vaguely reminds me of last game where she was a friendly under-the-radar scum, but it's too early to tell.

Brie probably town. Java looks like dopey town thus far.

Honestly I have no scum reads at the moment. Don't like Snarky's 106, but I don't know him and can't sort him yet. Boring's 109 is pretty bad, but is it bad town or scum? Dunno yet.

I'm semi-V/LA right now and for the next few days, so I apologize I don't have better reads right now. Literally had ten minutes to read the thread and post something.

[GuiltyLion]

Gingham I do want you to answer my question about Desperado when you have time

[GinghamDog]

Gingham I do want you to answer my question about Desperado when you have time

I thought it was a bad vote but I wouldn't say scummy. I say it's a bad vote because Chick's comment that prompted it is the kind of conversational flavor I would say myself as either alignment, and I wouldn't appreciate it being scum-read. Not enough from Desperado yet to comment further.

[GuiltyLion]

I thought it was a bad vote but I wouldn't say scummy. I say it's a bad vote because Chick's comment that prompted it is the kind of conversational flavor I would say myself as either alignment, and I wouldn't appreciate it being scum-read.

I guess I just don't understand why you'd jump in to try to push against the vote in 21 and then not go further with 42

like, if Desperado is scumreading someone for bad reasons, isn't that more likely to make him scum? And if he's not, like if you are actually not seeing anything scum-motivated in his push, then why shut it down when it might give everyone more to work with to get reads? Most pushes on page 1 are not gonna be really substantially indicative things, but there's an expected bit of leniency because you know people are trying to drum up things to work with and create pressure to force more reactions. If Chickadee is scum then you are basically letting her walk and she won't have to do the work of trying to be town in responding to Desperado

I doubt Desperado really believes post 8 comes from scum 100% of the time, so he's either town exaggerating to add more force to his vote or scum exaggerating to sell a fake scumread. I don't get why you didn't engage with him beyond just calling out that you disagree with his reasons for making a vote.

[GinghamDog]

Meh, fair enough. To be honest, I've put very little thought into this game due to real life, so my play hasn't been up to standard.

In my experience, scum reading someone for bad reasons is just as likely to be town, if not more likely. You might disagree. I'll concede though that I should have toyed with Desperado more than I did.

Can you share your thoughts on this Chickadee wagon? You don't seem to mind it. Does it look like wagon for the sake of being a wagon or do you think it's an early scum-drive?

[GinghamDog]

Brie and Joe are already giving out way too much role information. RVS is over for me.

UNVOTE:

I have to agree. Brie, Joe, too much information. It just helps scum figure out who is who.

scum in this pair, guaranteed

What are you seeing here exactly?

[Almost50]

did you see post 99? It looks to me like boring pretty specifically said she didn't like Chickadee's friendly tone, so I feel like your first section here is a misrep. And why are you making assumptions abo

1- She didn't vote on 99. She specifically mentioned Snaky's vote here as the reason that helped make her mind up. The "tingling" was old news. The Snarky vote is the new element that lead to her voting Chicka.

2- It's obvious I was making a tongue in cheek comment there and Creature got my point and responded. He didn't specify a reason, and it came right after boring's, so that was my way of asking him to explain his vote.

[Almost50]

Oh, btw.. I just noticed: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GL.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Cause I didn't get to vote you in our last game together.

Which game was that?

-snip-

wasnt this game a day start or did I miss something

Dayless Mafia was the game I didn't get to vote you in. Because there were no votes in that game at all.

This game was a night start. I now actually want to leave my vote on you for that 'town' slip.

[boring]

I now actually want to leave my vote on you for that 'town' slip.

Can you elaborate on this so the whole class can know what you're talking about?

[TheBrie]

And we want to build wagons just because?

Not that there couldn't be aanything going on with Chick. I don't see anything solid though. The game is looking really murky. 8 is the most people I've sorted before.

I mean what would count as "solid" in the first 4 pages of a game? Do you think the votes on Chickadee are good or bad?

Snarky's vote seems alright. Not so sure on Boring's. Creature's is to create pressure. I'd be happier if he gave his own reasons.

Personally outside of RVS I don't like voting just to make someone uncomfortable and much prefer to include direct questions.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Chickadee between my tingling and Snarky's vote, I'm cool here. He's a low-poster, but he has a good eye.

What

VOTE: Chickadee

The

VOTE: Chickadee between my tingling and Snarky's vote, I'm cool here. He's a low-poster, but he has a good eye.

Your reasoning is "because SS voted there"???

VOTE: Chickadee

And I guess yours is "because boring said she voted there because Snarky voted there"?!

OK.. intent to vote Chicadee because I want to sheep Creature who is sheeping boring who is sheeping Snarky who got a vote on Chicadee out of nowhere. Boy, that sounds like the best reasoning ever.

Frick

My reasoning is because it was a great opportunity to begin with a wagon.

Is

I didn't feel JavaJoe24 would be a good wagon.

Going

We need to find activity. Maybe we can find activity by putting non-active players under the threat of being lynched?

On?




If you're trying to put pressure on low activity players, why me? I'm tied for second highest post count. I'm involved with the game. The entire wagon against me seems super scummy. It's weak, and there's not even a case being brought against me.

[podoboq]

VOTE: Chickadee

My how the tables have turned.

[GuiltyLion]

Can you share your thoughts on this Chickadee wagon? You don't seem to mind it. Does it look like wagon for the sake of being a wagon or do you think it's an early scum-drive?

I'm not sure what you mean by "early scum-drive", whether that means it's a wagon on scum or whether it means scum pushing a mislynch. Can you clarify?

Overall I don't mind the wagon, I thought it was mostly a wagon for the sake of being a wagon but that's how the game should be in the early stage. I probably would have joined it myself earlier, but massive hasn't given me a reason to move my vote.

If she's town then there's definitely a scum or two on there at this point but I'm fine with it as it stands. I do have some followup for my next post though

[GuiltyLion]

She didn't vote on 99. She specifically mentioned Snaky's vote here as the reason that helped make her mind up. The "tingling" was old news. The Snarky vote is the new element that lead to her voting Chicka.

this still feels a little off to me, like she said in 109:

between my tingling

and Snarky's vote, I'm cool here. He's a low-poster, but he has a good eye.

so it read to me like a combination of both things, and then you asked her:

Your reasoning is "because SS voted there"???

as if her reasoning was solely because of Snarky's vote.

I guess the question I want to ask you is, do you think the "tingling" in 99 was sufficient for a vote or not? Because it still looks to me like you've focused on the less important part of her explanation

[GuiltyLion]

btw I lied, that post above was a separate thread with Almost that I'm chasing down, but now THIS is the followup post that I hinted at a minute ago

If you're trying to put pressure on low activity players, why me? I'm tied for second highest post count. I'm involved with the game. The entire wagon against me seems super scummy. It's weak, and there's not even a case being brought against me.

Who specifically do you think is super scummy in voting you, Snarky, Creature?

and as far as I can tell no one said anything about post count? Like I guess Creature's 120 was vaguely talking about non-active players in the general sense, but I was reading that as a response to TheBrie in 118. This defense was a bit too "why me" and feels meh so I want firmer opinions on who you think is scum here.

for

@podoboq

VOTE: Chickadee

My how the tables have turned.

how serious is this vote?

[GuiltyLion]

Oh, btw.. I just noticed: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GL.

also thanks <3

glad to be spending a small part of it playing a game with you all

[Desperado]

I can hardly agree. Scum would probably keep silent about it and share the info between themselves, analyze it and try to determine their best strategy. Outing who has crumbed what isn't in scum's best interest, because it also let's informative/protective roles know who is likely to get NK'd next if it somehow went right above their heads.

sure

they'd also go out of their way to criticize a townie for outing role info, because that's what scum think town should do in that situation even tho by and large, they don't

[Desperado]

@Desperado - Chickadee apparently pinged you immediately. Is it the tone, or do you have some personal scum-tell setting you off? I find "friendly" players more suspicious than not. However, at the risk of irritating GuiltyLion, I don't know whether this shallow gut-read is a projection on my part, or an actual indication of scum. Do you have more experience with her play?

never played with her

it's as simple as congratulating town on not dying being a pretty rock solid scumtell for me

[Desperado]

What are you seeing here exactly?

really more from chick than boring

i don't understand the purpose of chick's post other than to look town and subconsciously buddy boring. it's scum motivated.

[podoboq]

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@podoboq

VOTE: Chickadee

My how the tables have turned.

how serious is this vote?[/quote]
Not answering this.

Reasons
A) I'm kinda drunk
B) it's page 6 and I want Chickadee to decide how serious she things I'm being.

[podoboq]

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@podoboq

VOTE: Chickadee

My how the tables have turned.

how serious is this vote?

Not answering this.

Reasons
A) I'm kinda drunk
B) it's page 6 and I want Chickadee to decide how serious she things I'm being.

p-edit

Don't drink and mobile-post, kids

[TheBrie]

Don't play when you're drunk.

But seriously even if Chick turns out to be scum. We've been playing for only a few days and she's at L-2 based on only a couple of things she said.

[podoboq]

Don't play when you're drunk.

But seriously even if Chick turns out to be scum. We've been playing for only a few days and she's at L-2 based on only a couple of things she said.

I have officially noted both of those points in my handy mafia journal.

Chickadee can stay at L-2

[Chickadee]

Who specifically do you think is super scummy in voting you, Snarky, Creature?

and as far as I can tell no one said anything about post count? Like I guess Creature's 120 was vaguely talking about non-active players in the general sense, but I was reading that as a response to TheBrie in 118. This defense was a bit too "why me" and feels meh so I want firmer opinions on who you think is scum here.

I would say Creature. It felt like his vote was just piling onto a wagon for the sake of having a wagon, but there's nothing to pressure me about.

And yes, it was mostly a response to Brie's 118. And really, that's all the defense I have, because as I've stated, no one has really brought a case against me. So all I can really say is, I'm town. Can't defend myself if there's nothing to defend against.

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@podoboq

VOTE: Chickadee

My how the tables have turned.

how serious is this vote?

Not answering this.

Reasons
A) I'm kinda drunk
B) it's page 6 and I want Chickadee to decide how serious she things I'm being.[/quote]

I don't think you're being serious with your vote at all. I think you're trying to make me feel pressure. For what, I'm not quite sure.