| The Divergent Series | Game Over |

[Lil Uzi Vert]

so now I look town, why do I look town but you don't think I am town?

The way you're pointing out things and some of your recent questions don't seem to have a towns best interest in mind.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No, zakk is probably town who was being eaten alive by paranoia there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

yes pointing out scummy things that others are doing is what I'm supposed to do so?

An example is what you just recently dug up. You brought up an interaction he had with Transcend in order to validate the wine in front of me you were attempting to do earlier by asking us what motivation you had to kill Transcend.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why are you so calm about Zakk throwing shade on your hood but when I pointed out your misrep of wheme you got your panties in a bunch?

I'm calm because the push is nonsensical and is not something I see scum who just lost 3 of their teammates consecutively pushing. I also don't mind being lynched since I only subbed into this game as a favor for Key.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No, zakk is probably town who was being eaten alive by paranoia there.

Where would paranoia come from? The lynch record is perfect at this point, so this is probably the only time you could actually NOT be paranoid.

I think it's coming from the strong belief in his theory. He really believes he's right there and I think the thought of not having any closure on that any time soon is starting to cause the extreme suspicion without much justification.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Would only support Aronis and Nero Cain lynches.
Wouldn't mind a character claim from either.
Not lynching in Dauntless (today).

Will start contributing later this weekend.

Why Aronis?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also where was that claimed?

He's in Aminty.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I would second a deadline extension but I don't think we deserve one. We've had plenty of time to lynch scum

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can we all just consolidate? Two fucking days left.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Mod a real one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Actually ... LUV too. Thoughts on Ramcius please.

I still town read everyone in my hood and I see no real reason to feel different at this time. If the game doesn't end today and we wake up to two kills, I will reread and reevaluate.

Does it though? Just because you scumread somebody, doesn't mean they are scum. If it did, mislynches would never happen. He just acknowledges that historically speaking, perfect games are rare (particularly at this size), so a perfect game is unlikely. It's not scummy.At worst, it demonstrates a poor understanding of statistics. If that.

no no no, he's using it as a preemptive excuse as to why I flipped town.

So are you claiming Serial Killer or am I misreading that?

I am claiming that I am a mislynch-so town. Lynching me will not achieve a p 4 for 4 scum lynches. Voting Zakk will.

The reality of the situation is that everyone can see that zakk is most likely town from what's he been pushing. If he's know you're town here, what's the point to his push? He will most likely have a good chance of being lynched the following day and if not, definitely won't make it to end game. If you somehow end up flipping SK or third-party and the game doesn't end, it'll look bad on him too. In the long run, I see things as a lose-lose for him which is why I'm struggling to understand the scum motivation.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So are you claiming Serial Killer or am I misreading that?

I am claiming that I am a mislynch-so town. Lynching me will not achieve a p 4 for 4 scum lynches. Voting Zakk will.

Then why did you say there is 0 chance in you winning? If you're town, then the odds look pretty damn good right now.

Shos (and you?) are claiming that I'm the SK. If that's what you two believe then you'd know that there is zero chance of me winning. Now, reality is that I'm town and I doubt the existence of an SK thus I want to lynch Zakk b/c he's scum and his lynch should end the game. If for some reason its not over then I'm fine with getting lynched. I just want the p win.

Nah, I'm good. I think I'll stick with you for now. Could be persuaded towards a Keyser wagon though.

Why are you scum reading Keyser?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: zakk

die scum die!

I've really liked most of your posts tonally. The alban meta read despite being frustrating, I also appreciated greatly. Could you get into zakk like you promised though? I recall you saying would but you've yet to explain why you scum read him and this hop on his wagon is making me doubt my recent read on your slot a little bit.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

Yea yea yea I know. Weird right? I want more time to think on this. I really would love a perfect win.

Nero's posts in the last couple pages plus Ramcius being like "first Nero then zakk" is really making me think.

Please don't lynch anyone until at least tomorrow so I can read more. G2g right now (still vla but I've been trying to be here) but will be off tomorrow

Man we're out of time and if we fail to lynch someone today, we will most likely be right back at it again.

so either talk to me about Zakk or show a willingness to vote elsewhere.

That's why I'm trying to reach a compromise. I'm willing to put my vote elsewhere. I was just trying to find out where you felt that elsewhere should be.

UNVOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: Keyeser Söze

Unless you've got a better place to put it besides zakk. We need to hop to it though.

Keyser isn't happening today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm Marlene.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The only way Beatrice isn't town is if this game is bastard.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you walk me through the Mo shot, HL? What made you suspect him?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm Marlene.

Role?

VT.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think it was just your lack of experience with Mo that ultimately was the problem. I don't see him being capable of being the crafty type anytime soon.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How about no?

I'm confindent that's Creature. He's in possession of said roleblock serum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

As for the third unaccounted for kill, someone is lying or if there is an SK, he or she is so confindent that they've preferred not to kill for 4 out of the last 5 nights.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How about no?

I'm confindent that it is Creature. He's in possession of said roleblock serum.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Priest still has value honestly but shouldn't come into account here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think I still botched that.

I don't see there being an SK or a third-party due to flavor, nor do I see why he or she doesn't kill 4 out of 5 nights. However with no counterclaim, Occam Razor says HL is town unless this game is bastard.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think we have 2 vigilantes and the other is the rb slot. I can see him not claiming until later.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Our doctor died Night 1 so I think the second theory is out. Being unlucky 4 times out of 5 seems unlikely too.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Two 1-shot vigilantes is the only thing that makes sense right now really.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wait, I didn't know we had 3 kills. I thought Wheme was lurking.

Yeah there is an SK.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think we have 2 vigilantes and the other is the rb slot. I can see him not claiming until later.

Why would we have 2 vigs? What basis do you have for this belief?

I was accounting for the kills in my head.

There was a vigilante shot that was a serum and there was the one that HL is claiming. There was however one kill that wasn't claimed before. The night RC and Titus died I believe.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There were vigilante shots on Mew and Mo.

Who was responsible for the kills Night 2?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well if PV claims full vigilante that would explain everything.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

However I don't see why there would be a full and a 1-shot...

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Mew and Mo are confirmed to be shot by vigilantes.

We need to know who's responsible for Elena/RC & Titus and Ram/Wheme.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If shos truly believes I'm the last scum or an SK, we'll mislynch which would put us at 7.

I still think there is 1 scum left due to balance and if there is an SK, two kills puts us at 5.

Worst case scenario another mislynch and then town will have hope for a crosskill.

We have to win the game today in my opinion if I'm understanding correctly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rb was scum reading both Elena and RC so I can see him shooting them. I'm not sure why anyone who's town would kill Mo, Ram, or Wheme outside of paranoia.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rb was scum reading both Elena and RC so I can see him shooting them. I'm not sure why anyone who's town would kill Mo, Ram, or Wheme outside of paranoia.

But they all died the same night, so, are you saying you don't think Hikari Link is town?

No I'm saying we need to find an explanation for the missing kill.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

All really comes to PV here and then we can move forward.

Confirmed: shos

Close to confirmed: Kelvin

Remaining: Creature, Gamma, Keyser, PV, and zakk.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

All really comes down to PV here and then we can move forward.

Confirmed: shos

Close to confirmed: Kelvin

Remaining: Creature, Gamma, Keyser, PV, and zakk.

EBWOP:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Really I just saw Whemestar and skipped because I thought it was mod flavor, similar to the Night 3 kill

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No one even pushed back, I just noticed that I was operating under wrong information.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There being a full vigilante would make sense of it all.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's not really pushing back, more questioning than anything but alright..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Those votes were before I suggested the theory too

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Actually no, who knows when PV will show. Why didn't you claim ascetic D1?

VOTE: zakk

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also Ari flipped bulletproof, two vigilantes isn't far fetched but HL brings up a good point.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I legit didn't know but whatever.

And why wouldn't he claim? You always claim a modifier like that Day 1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

no you don't? it's not an antitown modifier, you know. there's really no reason to claim ascetic. it's not a miller.

And @gamma - he bases, supposedly, his arguments on the flavor

Are you trolling?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod: I'm voting for zakk slot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Where did you get commuter from?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can't only things like bulletproof be x-Shot?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Mass claiming in my opinion is a result of the game not ending with Nero being lynched like some of us thought it would.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

As for the key points, we've have lynched 3 scum, shos is confirmed town, and everyone has claimed who they are except PV. Keyser has claimed his character but not his role.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

I'm not considering him in my PoE pool..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

I'm not considering him in my PoE pool..

Talk with me about Kelvin and Keyser why do you eliminate them?

Keyser's character claim reads like an SK claim. Reprogramming people generally kills them in other series (I don't know enough about Divergent and will need to use a wiki.) off base on base? Thoughts?

Why are you questioning me ruling out Kelvin? You just said your hood is like a masonry at this point so I assume you town read Kelvin? If not, why make such a claim?

As for Keyser, I still think he is town based on what how similar his play feels in games I've been town with him and how the serum thing played out in terms of flipped scum in Ircher and Screenplay. I liked his efforts to understand the wagons early on as well as his attempts to sort Nero. As for his character, Four is a Dauntless instructor. Where did you get programming from?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

I'm not considering him in my PoE pool..

Talk with me about Kelvin and Keyser why do you eliminate them?

Keyser's character claim reads like an SK claim. Reprogramming people generally kills them in other series (I don't know enough about Divergent and will need to use a wiki.) off base on base? Thoughts?

Why are you questioning me ruling out Kelvin? You just said your hood is like a masonry at this point so I assume you town read Kelvin? If not, why make such a claim?

As for Keyser, I still think he is town based on what how similar his play feels in games I've been town with him and how the serum thing played out in terms of flipped scum in Ircher and Screenplay. I liked his efforts to understand the wagons early on as well as his attempts to sort Nero. As for his character, Four is a Dauntless instructor. Where did you get programming from?

I am trying to ascertain your thought process. I townread him based off of hood things. What I am looking for is why you do since you lack access.

Programming was from his first post.

His claim. Unless PV counterclaims, Occam's razor says the main character is mostly likely town bar any gambits unless this game is bastard.

Oh you're referring to his first post..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure why anyone would be looking there for a claim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It seems like it was however until Nero flipped. Claiming any one of the flipped scum characters is basically a scum claim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Unless the mod specifically states flavor isn't indicative of alignment, flavor is a strong indiction someone is either town or scum. I don't know our mod Key personally, but I have hard time believing he wouldn't make the main character town in Kelvin's case.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My issue with your slot Math is the claim of being ascetic and not claiming it Day 1 as well as the way zakk voted for me. It read like he was itching for a reason to jump on my wagon and didn't want to just say fuck it like Creature has.

Did zakk give any insight as to why he didn't claim the modifier Day 1?

pedit: Experience and his efforts to understand others scum reads and wagons as well as his push on Nero.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also LUV you were in that game I referred to so I'm baffled by your opinion on Keyen's flavor usage.

Which game was that?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also LUV you were in that game I referred to so I'm baffled by your opinion on Keyen's flavor usage.

Which game was that?

Hogwarts mafia.

Oh that

Yeah I don't remember much about that game since I checked out after Cloud was not willing to obvious scum in Not_Mafia.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who was a main character that's good could be scum in that game? Snape?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My issue with your slot Math is the claim of being ascetic and not claiming it Day 1 as well as the way zakk voted for me. It read like he was itching for a reason to jump on my wagon and didn't want to just say fuck it like Creature has.

Did zakk give any insight as to why he didn't claim the modifier Day 1?

pedit: Experience and his efforts to understand others scum reads and wagons as well as his push on Nero.

Yes because players leave direct connections to their brain when banned /sarcasm

(Serious answer: None that I have found but zakk hates site meta and in 1900 a townie got lynched D1 after not claiming it in his first post. I just call it zakk being zakk.

Those are things an SK can do. Show me what makes him Town to you.

That's what makes him town to me. I don't see him any signs in his intentions to try to distort or manipulate, it seemed like typical robotic Keyser early on.

Scum or an SK can do anything town can do. It is about whether you believe the motivation behind his actions are genuine and town motivated.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who was a main character that's good could be scum in that game? Snape?

THE MAIN CHARACTERS. Harry, Ron, Hermione.

Oh well damn.

Like I said I checked out middle of Day 2.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well then hell anyone can be scum then based on mod meta.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Other than shos of course.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well then hell anyone can be scum then based on mod meta.

Yes.

Why wouldn't be claiming a meta character be an excuse to get townread early?

The main points of confusion I have are:

shos is still alive. Why?
Keyser claimed vig in a game with a vig already claimed.
Your townread seems to be based on him flavor claiming which is like so?

I want people to explain where they come from in their reads.

It isn't an excuse in most cases however when you look at the flips, it is logical to assume that and then look at their play if you have any doubts.

Whenever confirmed town is left alive, it is because scum either don't fear them or they are wrong somewhere in their reads.
Ari flipped 1-shot bulletproof I believe so there might be something there in regards to a case for there being more than 1 vigilante.
It is based on experience and his play early on as well.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't reread upon subbing in past 50 pages. However I do think one should at least read the end of each day regardless of the page count.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why have you ruled out Creature?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The thing about hood stuff is what HL revealed as to why shos and zakk were so secretive about alban. The plan HL detailed is something I have a hard time wondering how it was actual sold because zakk has been scum read all game.

Why is your hood not considering Creature?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

His claim. Unless PV counterclaims, Occam's razor says the main character is mostly likely town bar any gambits unless this game is bastard.

OMFG STOP MAKING FLAVOR BASED ASSSUMPTIONS

So you don't town read Kelvin?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm in agreement with Gamma here on the trend even after Nero's flip.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Massclaim time, I think.

Beatrice Prior. One-Shot Vigilante. I shot momo. My bad, bro.

By the way, this is why zakk, shos, and I were so insistent on the SK theory. zakk was never a PR (to my knowledge), we just tried to heavily imply he was a Vig to draw fire onto him last night instead of me.

This plan. How was it sold?

I don't see why scum buy zakk was a PR.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The thing about hood stuff is what HL revealed as to why shos and zakk were so secretive about alban. The plan HL detailed is something I have a hard time wondering how it was actual sold because zakk has been scum read all game.

Can you elaborate on this?

Why is your hood not considering Creature?

I didn't realize we weren't. But I haven't read the whole thing, so...

The hood may be.

I said I am townreading Creature based on it.

Don't conflate my opinions with the hoods.

*goes back to sleep*

So please elaborate on why the hood has influenced your opinion on Creature.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Proof of role doesn't mean proof of alignment..

Are you going to attempt to reevaluate at all or continue to tunnel me and prolong the game as a result?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Massclaim time, I think.

Beatrice Prior. One-Shot Vigilante. I shot momo. My bad, bro.

By the way, this is why zakk, shos, and I were so insistent on the SK theory. zakk was never a PR (to my knowledge), we just tried to heavily imply he was a Vig to draw fire onto him last night instead of me.

This plan. How was it sold?

I don't see why scum buy zakk was a PR.

Did you read my interactions with Nero Day 4? I was hinting about zakk not being an acceptable lynch target. Eventually, Nero made me outright say that zakk was a PR and that was why we couldn't lynch him.

On top of that, all three of us kept pushing the SK theory with certainty. The only reason we'd know that there was an SK is because we knew that the Vig didn't do it. Which would mean we know who the Vig is.

The reason I came up with the idea is because I was sheeping shos on his read that zakk was town, so I wanted him alive. And making him NK bait by implying that he was the Vig helped me. And once I implied it, I couldn't let him get lynched, because him flipping VT (which is what I thought his role was at the time) would have basically confirmed that I was the real Vig.

Yeah but your slot wasn't heavily town read except by the people in your hood and was scum read quite a bit before that. Same with zakk. I don't think one days of work would make scum reconsider or look there, especially after Nero's flip.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Proof of role doesn't mean proof of alignment..

It pretty much does when that role is Vigilante. Do you know how unbalanced that would be otherwise?

I know, it was more of a slight jab at shos.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't even understand that flip to me there. shos has been screaming for my head for a while now and based on the steps Math listed, I assume they would have originally voted of me after reading the hood so why now after the millionth shout by shos?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Except I'm sure he was asking for those in the hood to vote me recently and if you know vanity wagons are bad, why did you just vote Keyser?

Feels like posturing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Your feelings can suck it.

shos and Kelvin made some good points in the hood and I am trusting them. I am working on doing the Titus doc.

You can scream posturing all you want but it doesn't change the fact I am trying to get better.

Because I is sleepy and hood pointed out what I wanted to know about Keyser mainly vig likely fake claim gambit.

This has nothing to do with your skill level, it is about logic.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

But hey, if I'm lynched, hopefully the game is won the following day.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And how you are being illogical.

I said I got off Keyser wagon because vanity and hood.

*blinks*

That is posturing how?

Like my sleep deprived brain can't make sense of you.

Why didn't you just ask the hood you called a masonry about Keyser? It felt pointless your reasoning and vote for Keyser.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I would think one would talk in the hood about Keyser first and then question him throughly if there was any doubt. However you assumed his entrance post was his claim and scum read for it as well as his participation in the mass claim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I would think one would talk in the hood about Keyser first and then question him throughly if there was any doubt. However you assumed his entrance post was his claim and scum read for it as well as his participation in the mass claim.

They weren't online and I wanted to see why.
They explained when online. I don't not scumhunt because hood members aren't on. That's dumb.

Not according to the steps you listed upon replace in.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

However if you all believe I'm scum or an SK, where is Kelvin's vote?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It doesn't make sense to not get the facts straight before coming in when you have something like that available to you. It prevents the confusion that you almost created earlier from happening.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I mean could you explain the basis for scum reading as well as why Kelvin hasn't voted me yet?

When you wake up of course, I wasn't trying to keep you awake by the way.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV is Dauntless BTW
He would have leaked info on the serum to his team if he were scum, I'm sure of it. He's been around the mafia team block a couple of times, I'm certain he'd have known to do that, and even if not he would have had an entire scumteam. Srceenplay doesn't get blindsided by a faction with scum in it. LUV

might

be SK. So if you read him as SK, carry on, but people reading him as mafia are idiots.

he is an SK. there is no reason for a townie to argue that much and that long baselessly that there is no SK, only to eventually go "oh there were 3 kills oh then ur rite lol"

If you actually bothered to reread my posts, you'd realized I was operating under that assumption. I missed a kill. Sue me.

A full vigilante still explains everything.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It doesn't make sense to not get the facts straight before coming in when you have something like that available to you. It prevents the confusion that you almost created earlier from happening.

it's a 150 pages game. stop making excuses for why he didn't do it right. if you are truly town, show me which one of the remaining pool is SK and scum.

And there are 2 week deadlines.

I already did that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I already said I ruled out Kelvin and Keyser is probably town.

Scum and SK for me are in

Creature
Gamma
PV
Math

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Srceenplay

Here.
Explain why scum would take heat and put it on scum when no scum were being voted at that point.

Distancing?

That wasn't even really heat, just seemed like a love tap more than anything.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

God no.

Shove this.

I have a pretty damn fine track record at finding scum on replacing in.
Would appreciate if you had a bit more class than insulting players behind their back.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was mainly referring to the chaos you create in how you go about reads, not your skill level.

Not sure why you felt like singling out this either by the way.

LUV, do you think I'm scum or SK?

I think there is a good chance you aren't town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

God no.

Shove this.

I have a pretty damn fine track record at finding scum on replacing in.
Would appreciate if you had a bit more class than insulting players behind their back.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was mainly referring to the chaos you create in how you go about reads, not your skill level.

Not sure why you felt like singling out this either by the way.

LUV, do you think I'm scum or SK?

I think there is a good chance you aren't town.

The cow farm called. Apparently you stole and are using their bullshit here. In the 100s.

My intention really wasn't to insult you. I didn't make that post to purposely disrespect your game. It was mainly just sympathizing with Nero after the hell that Civ was. If you took offense you can PM me after the game.

As for Creature, he could be either. I really don't get why I have to narrow it down. If I don't think he's town, I don't think he's to j.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I called it out because I am not going to be mafiascum's punching bag. #dealwithit

Do you live in a bubble or something?

Most people don't care, I mean yeah it's funny, but the majority of us want to see you get better.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

God no.

Shove this.

I have a pretty damn fine track record at finding scum on replacing in.
Would appreciate if you had a bit more class than insulting players behind their back.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was mainly referring to the chaos you create in how you go about reads, not your skill level.

Not sure why you felt like singling out this either by the way.

LUV, do you think I'm scum or SK?

I think there is a good chance you aren't town.

The cow farm called. Apparently you stole and are using their bullshit here. In the 100s.

My intention really wasn't to insult you. I didn't make that post to purposely disrespect your game. It was mainly just sympathizing with Nero after the hell that Civ was. If you took offense you can PM me after the game.

As for Creature, he could be either. I really don't get why I have to narrow it down. If I don't think he's town, I don't think he's town.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

He probably knows the difference between town!me and scum!me, so I expected him to be townreading me.

However, if he's scum, why would he waste an opportunity to get a free mislynch on someone who won't get pocketed and is usually a pain later?

I don't really.

I've rolled scum against you quite a bit so in those games I'm not really trying to read players, just reactions.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like everyone summarize your PTs please.

No.

Also there is a startling lack of noted contribution from your predecessor, mine explaining?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Character/role claim please.

Ok/Not happening until I have more information first.

Jeanine Matthews

Is this for real?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Uzi is on all the wrong wagons

And town can never be wrong?

Are you even reading what you've been saying?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The only character who can be a Divergent is Beatrice because she can fit into any faction. shos is making shit up in order to justify why he's alive and is not willing to accept that his reads are bad.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

A Divergent is not equivalent to some sort of night immune thing, if anything, it would be equalivent to a JoAT.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think Marcus and Matt are too actually.

Four however can't, his DNA got corrupted.

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shos said he got PM'd so it might be.

Thing is, I don't see why the mod would need to do that and also tell other players that certain players are Divergents.

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Wheme was vanilla no?

Divergents aren't BP or anything so I'm not sure what shos is on.

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If we go by game trends, that would imply PV is most likely town but then he claimed Jeanne.

This game makes my head hurt.

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So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

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Kelvin should be Divergent too based on claim by the way.

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So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

So which of those are scum and why, in your opinion?

Creature and Math.

After my reset, they are my strongest scum reads. Creature justification for voting me is that he thinks for whatever reason that I can tell the difference between his town and scum game and I didn't like zakk not claiming ascetic D1 or his hop on my wagon.

So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

I am an ascetic townie. Not sure how that is a Divergent claim? Something I am missing in Lore?

No this is a PoE list.

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Why would the mod need to PM that you're Divergent? Did you receive a PM, PV?

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The only reason I can think of is that the mod is basically wanted IC like confirmable players in order to balance the game or something but that still doesn't register.

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The only reason I can think of is that the mod basically wanted IC like confirmable players in order to balance the game or something but that still doesn't register.

EBWOP.

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Like what shos is implying is that we have 5 IC like players.

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I'm not reading people by following what they would do. Not claiming ascetic D1 is arguable extremely anti-town and suspect.

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Also shos is not reevaluating at all so I've taken to ignoring him until he shows signs of doing so or presents through reasoning for wanting my head.

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I'm not reading people by following what I would do. Not claiming ascetic D1 is arguable extremely anti-town and suspect.

EBWOP.

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I'm not reading people by following what they would do. Not claiming ascetic D1 is arguable extremely anti-town and suspect.

According to site meta yes. You and I follow site meta.
Zakk doesn't though.
Applying our standards to Zakk is bad.

His hop on me still doesn't make any sense and reads like he was itching to find a reason to hop on my wagon.

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Also shos is not reevaluating at all so I've taken to ignoring him until he shows signs of doing so or presents through reasoning for wanting my head.

Why the hell would you ignore confirmed Town?

That is a recipe for disaster. His read is on you. Worst case scenario there is one mislynch til LYLO.

And just because someone is confirmed Town doesn't make their reads right. Without working with confirmed Town we are bound to lose.

Because he's clearly death-tunneled for reasons no one seems to understand. You can ask Creature about a game we just recently finished where it was impossible to work with confirmed town and how he almost singlehandely lost us the game.

I already stated that I'm fine with being lynched as well. I just don't see a reason to prolong the game after my PoE.

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I'm not reading people by following what they would do. Not claiming ascetic D1 is arguable extremely anti-town and suspect.

According to site meta yes. You and I follow site meta.
Zakk doesn't though.
Applying our standards to Zakk is bad.

His hop on me still doesn't make any sense and reads like he was itching to find a reason to hop on my wagon.

So in other words OMGUS. That is your entire reasoning? LUV reread. Seriously.

No, it is an understanding of the reasoning for the vote and whether the motivation for it was town. I don't think it was. He jumped on me for some weird semantic thing and misrepresented the formation of my wagoned to justify his vote.

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Why would the mod need to PM that you're Divergent? Did you receive a PM, PV?

I replaced in, so mine came all together.

Yes but shos is saying he started with a role PM and then got a PM at a later date that he's Divergent.

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LUV I am not deathtunneling you, I have reasons to think you are an SK and as this is multiball now, you cant quite change that.

You can help scumhunt though

And why would I as an SK put such a big target on my back by blatantly fighting and rejecting the idea?

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I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

The problem is that there is a clear disconnect somewhere.

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I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

The problem is that there is a clear disconnect somewhere.

Assume shos,Kelvin, PV, and myself (I know you scumread me but this is a hypothetical based on reality) are all Town and have all flipped Green. Who is the scum and who is the SK and why?

Creature still for reasons previously stated.

I'd have to think hard between Keyser and Gamma.

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Lynch zakk slot tomorrow if scum and SK don't cross kill.

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I already stated why I scum read the slot and the sheep of poor reasoning from Math has not made me once doubt my read.

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Cooperating is not having everyone and their mom trying to understand what is going on Candor so everyone can be on the same on the page. Kelvin still questioning shos' confirmed town status speaks volumes.

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Or maybe it is Gamma that is the last scum

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I'm not flailing. Gamma votes me for what I assume is pointing out something I pointed out a while ago about Kelvin in regards to Candor and doesn't announce that I'm at L-1.

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You don't find it odd that both Math and shos seem to be in synch and think I'm SK but Kelvin doesn't seem to feel the same way?

My understanding of the Candor hood is that they all town read each other strongly and feel like they're psudeo masons. If this is the case, why hasn't Kelvin voted me yet? I think there is more than what has been let on about what's going in Candor but since shos is town reading zakk's slot so hard, he's probably too far gone to really speak the truth.

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I think it suggests scum because Math seems to be more focused on just mindlessly telling Kelvin what's what rather than making sincere efforts to make sure he's in synch.

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Can you word that simpler, specifically "telling him what's what"?

Telling him the facts.

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I want to hear that from him.

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It sounds like annoyance and just saying this is how things are without properly explaining anything. Granted in that specific case there is not much to explain that the mod has confirmed shos to be town but there could be more examples of this going on in their hood.

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Prod received.

Put me out of misery and when I flip town, lynch Math.

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Because there's still a chance everyone wakes up and smells the coffee

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Oh Keyser I knew. I just bussed Screen out of frustration and to WIFOM town. Worked too but town somehow lynched me over a slot who claimed ascetic Day 5.

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Yeah Priscilla was easily town MVP. Things could've gone a little south if anyone else had subbed in to that slot.

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I would've made it to end game lol

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