Mini Normal 1908 - In The Web (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TwoFace
u kno y

[Gamma Emerald]

What

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: BigYoshiFan
1 v 1

[Gamma Emerald]

O_O
Do you really want to quickly change me? I'll have you know the last town to do so lost horribly.

[Gamma Emerald]

Quick lynch not quickly change

[Gamma Emerald]

BYF and Mort are town

[Gamma Emerald]

Why tf not? He's a slight townread now.

Could you explain that? I'm having trouble grasping your reasoning. You don't approve of putting someone at L-2, but you are fine voting a townread? I'm not saying I'm an expert Mafia player, but in every other game I've played, that's not how things have been done.

He called me a townread not tf

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello dnecsnarT

[Gamma Emerald]

Yoshi!

On lunch break and phone is gonna die

Yoshi this is the first game i flipped town with you in it

Hooray!

I was about to all this out but then I realized this was right

[Gamma Emerald]

*call this out
F*** my keyboard

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend weren't you in House of Harmony?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was scum too
Fun times
I really wish I could have put in my all but oh well

[Gamma Emerald]

Wat

You saw nothing

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm fairly certain RVS is still going on

[Gamma Emerald]

What law is that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright
VOTE: MarioManiac
Semi serious

[Gamma Emerald]

You broke the quote

[Gamma Emerald]

What

[Gamma Emerald]

Scumread on Transcend: he seems to be faking his "I don't give a shit" attitude he has as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'm not ready to unvote MarioManiac yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh really how

[Gamma Emerald]

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

What is scum indicative in his posts

[Gamma Emerald]

I wouldn't call that scum indicative yet Transcend. Wait until The has been going on a while.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd choose Mort if I had to vote him or BYF at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

Yoshi 45 town

GE 50 call it out for being scum indicative, or just call it out for being wrong?

Titus 68 icky pingy question mark

Mario 69 townish maybe?

GE 70 just OMGUS or?

GE 79 bad post

GE 82 why do you think he's faking?

Transcend 8789 Transcend what the f?

GE 95 coaching Transcend, discrediting Transcend's push, not giving own opinion on Hikari. not good

Transcend 96 what does wk mean

Transcend 97 Barleycorn is dead from shame. unless I want to play a shitposty game then he will ruin another game for town.

Transcend 99 agreeish

GE is better vote.

GE 107 why are you gladiating me and Yoshi?

Lol I'm not gladiating but I kinda thought about the role when I made the post so lol

[Gamma Emerald]

I was responding to Hikari/Transcend, and since I know I'm town I wrote it as BYF vs Mort

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just stating who I suspected more: not saying "one in this set is scum".

[Gamma Emerald]

Ew. That's some very superficial acumhnting.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MMM

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just stating who I suspected more: not saying "one in this set is scum".

And I am still wondering why.

Like what scumhunting purpose does going "Eh between this person who's not being wagoned and this other person not being wagoned I'd rather vote the first one" serve?

It let's people know my reads and puts pressure on the one more scumread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm

Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me

Who would you say is the town and the scum in BYF/Mort then?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Gamma

Just rechecked rules. Guess bold doesn't count here :/

Bold counts

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma

1. What was i supposed to know with regards to your RVS vote on me?

2. off topic but sort of not. in a game we played, Rask mentioned BigYoshi in a post made to me. I never understood why but you were involved in the conversation. Do you remember what the relevance was? I only ask now because he is in this game and the name sounded familiar.

I just just seeing if I could make you mad
I know you have thin skin

[Gamma Emerald]

i was townreading 2f anyways

scum doublevoter is bastard right?

Who knows~ How do you think you should trust me~~

so he's basically IC yes?

No it's not

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so TwoFace is a double voter for real
I'm going to tr him until I see reason to think otherwise.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

Reasons I've already said, and 235 is
1. Useless
2. Scummy

Scummy because it feels like the primacy of concepts:
town!TF
And
TF is a double voter

Is reversed.

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Feels like you decided TF was town before you saw he was a doublevoter.

That is sort of what I mean in 238 but what I said in 238 is more accurate.

That's complete bullshit. What gives you that idea?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you really think I'm such shitty scum to try to find a basic reason to townread someone?

[Gamma Emerald]

From GE's sig

4) Barring cop-clears (maybe not even then if the game is not Normal), ANYONE can be scum.

I guess there are conflicting assertions as to whether a double voter can be scum or not?

Um yeah but that type of role isn't commonly scum due to balance issues. Same as why a vote thief has a decent chance of being Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma

For realsies.

Can you explain this?
Also you are the one I suspect most out of the first five to vote me. The list goes like
TwoFace
Titus
BYF
Mort
Ircher

[Gamma Emerald]

There are two games in his sig
Technically 3

[Gamma Emerald]

I found it
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66713

[Gamma Emerald]

Two face and two face what

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Transcend
TBH I kinda like Mario rn

[Gamma Emerald]

He's explaining his townread not addressing someone's specific reasoning.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait what
Explain further because I don't see how that caused the earlier issue.

[Gamma Emerald]

Got it
I'm gonna test it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Official VC 1.3

The largest wagon is at L-3 (Gamma Emerald)


BigYoshiFan (1) [Tarkus]
Gamma Emerald (4) [Hikari Link, MortFeld, MarioManiac4, Ircher]
TwoFace (1) [BigYoshiFan]
MortFeld (1) [Titus]
Hikari Link (1) [ChannelDelibird]
Transcend (2) [TwoFace, TwoFace]
MMM (1) [Transcend]
Transcend (2) [Gamma Emerald, MMM]


Not Voting (1) [NotTheRealPaul]

Accurate to Post #324

With 13 Alive, it's 7 to lynch.

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Youhave Transcend listed twice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm fairly certainthe wagon on me is serious

[Gamma Emerald]

ok time to get in on this, blazing hot reads coming right up

Town:
TwoFace, Hikari, Mort, Mario, Ircher

Scum:
Yoshi- Seems like a lot of defending and not much hunting
Titus- Posts are giving me an off vibe, particularly 38, 185, 201. I'm not seeing what you're seeing on Mort either.
CDB- I don't like 140 and that's all I have to go on so

Everyone else are varying shades of null

. If I had to pick between the two leading wagons right now I'd vote Transcend. Town reads are there mostly because they seem to be legitimately scumhunting and don't have posts that I find too objectionable. I'm having trouble reading people so far and haven't put much time in, but this is what I got for now.

This is not my typical activity level btw. Lots of IRL craziness going on but that should let up after tomorrow!

[Gamma Emerald]

So you blame me? For what exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright I can understand that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so TwoFace is a double voter for real
I'm going to tr him until I see reason to think otherwise.

@Gamma
This post is worth voting you for.

For real? What's so scummy about it?

[Gamma Emerald]

When did you play with TF?

[Gamma Emerald]

I joined cuz the mod is a friendo of mine

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, I'm townreading Transcend's slot now. Transcend wouldn't do that as scum, but it's unfortunate this had to happen for me to townread him.

Possible but unlikely. Scum tend to lurk or sub out when suspected. Makes for a boring game. Regardless of alignment, subbing out when wagoned needs to stop.

That's not what happened
He realized TF was not a person he liked and left

[Gamma Emerald]

He realized TF was not a person he liked and left

And I call BS cause I'm nothing like the other games we've played for reasons I've already explained.

he replaced out cause more people are growing suspicious of him.

I've seen how toxic you can get. I don't blame him at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hikari Link is super duper town

[Gamma Emerald]

That not exactly why I'm townreading him

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels like he is trying to mediate the vitriol that is flying around, which I doubt scum would do.

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend and MMM for now
Ircher isn't an SR anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay Transcend is town
UNVOTE: Transcend

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like your wave of tryhard is towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Grey

[Gamma Emerald]

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UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

My suspicion isn't gone, but I want to reevaluate the game state when I can. Need to see if there was blatant opportunism on the Transcend wagon, if Titus is worthy of consideration, and a few other things.

@BigYoshiFan: If you townread Transcend now, get your vote off of him. Same goes for anybody else still parked on him.

Having caught up with the thread I still don't read him as town. And I see zero town in any single one of his actions

Is this referring to me or Transcend?

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend and MMM for now

so you think they are scum together? interesting

Not anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

Official VC 1.4

The largest wagon is at L-3 (Transcend)


BigYoshiFan (1) [Tarkus]
Gamma Emerald (1) [MortFeld]
MortFeld (1) [Titus]
Hikari Link (1) [ChannelDelibird]
Transcend (4) [TwoFace, TwoFace, MMM, Titus]
MMM (1) [MarioManiac4]
Titus (3) [Ircher, Transcend, BigYoshiFan]


Not Voting (3) [-Grey-, Hikari Link, Gamma Emerald]

Accurate to Post #542

With 13 Alive, it's 7 to lynch.

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VOTE: Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

I like wagons

VOTE: Gamma

Also, hello everybody!

lol when I didn't read 6 pages. One sec ignore my first post I'm an idiot

Lol, my predecessor townslipped.

Pardon?

[Gamma Emerald]

Frankly, ignore everything I said about Transcend after he basically insulted me. At that point I snapped and wanted him dead for whatever shit reasoning I could come up with.
I'm just happy he's replacing out and I can play somewhat normally now.

You can't press ignore on your posts

[Gamma Emerald]

MMM, Gin to your head, which of Yoshi/Mort are scum?

I'm not feeling a Titus lynch on d1, and Gamma is an easy target.

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend and MMM for now

so you think they are scum together? interesting

Not anymore

But why did you?

I didn't have any associations, I just suspected both of them
Do you see anything that is an anti-partner tell?

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend and MMM for now

so you think they are scum together? interesting

Not anymore

But why did you?

I didn't have any associations, I just suspected both of them
Do you see anything that is an anti-partner tell?

Why would you even ask this question if you're townreading Transcend?

I was trying to get his questioning.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MOD: -Grey- has been banned and needs replacement

[Gamma Emerald]

What? Who do you think?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I'm due for a prod
And yet it hasn't even been a day. God damn my twisted circadian rythym.
Anyway, I'll see if there's anything needing addressing since I am caught up I just haven't addressed anything recent.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tarkus, can you join us on Transcend and we do Yoshi later. I cannot vote twice.

Might I ask why you said this?

[Gamma Emerald]

I just had a sudden revelation about myself and the way I handle games and my life, so my playstyle is probably about to change drastically. I don't even know how it'll change yet, because I'm still processing it, but I'll catch up and do what I can as soon as I can.

Can you share?

[Gamma Emerald]

Transcend is town because if he's scum I respect him less

So it's acceptable to take your ball and go home when things don't go your way only as town?

I wouldn't say so but I would never believe his explicit reason was genuine if he's scum and that's not acceptable to me.

I don't think you're gonna get far with TwoFace.

[Gamma Emerald]

You are one of the most petulant players I've seen, so talking about whether someone would have the character to leave like that as scum with you is a bit silly since you take offense rather easily.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm suspicious that you figured his reaction would be along those lines, like setting a test he was bound to fail (in your eyes) in order to justify pushing his wagon.

What kinda reaction would you expect if he's town?

Him actually getting off his ass and doing shit in a way that is at least somewhat understandable.

It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything

Nah it really isn't.

Agree to disagree.

@MMM: Do you happen to have any completed games where somebody has called you an idiot or otherwise insulted your intelligence? This could easily confirm your claim.

No completed games on Mafiascum or other forums. I mostly play on PS where the games aren't stored [publicly] to refer back to later. Gamma might be able to confirm but I'm not sure if he ever witnessed a similar reaction.

With the bit of time I have right now:

like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.

Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug

Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?

I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)

Yeah, I can confirm that he plays on a chat site. Not sure he's been insulted in the manner stated.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't like her turnaround on Transcend

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi whemestar

[Gamma Emerald]

Just read everything

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda think Ircher is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh btw I think we should give Titus's replacement a chance
Or not since I just remembered my meta tell on fitz can work on Titus too

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm down with flash wagoning fitz

[Gamma Emerald]

I can get rather toxic at times, but I don't think I've ever been toxic to someone specific.

[Gamma Emerald]

It wouldn't be a PL for us, we scumread the slot

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm down with flash wagoning fitz

why? You were fine with letting him go a few posts ago.
In fact I looked through your ISO and there's barely any mention of Titus at all. Just a blank vote, one question you didn't seem to do anything with.

I changed my mind about letting him go since the tell I thought of went for his predecessor too.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think so.
TwoFace have you seen fitz violate his team tell?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I realized it was the exact same tell as the one for Titus.

[Gamma Emerald]

And anyway the tell only works after we flip fitz and he's scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think so.
TwoFace have you seen fitz violate his team tell?

No idea what team tell you are talking about

He doesn't like to bus

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm talking about him breaking it in past games

[Gamma Emerald]

Inb4 TwoFace is giving his scummate a reason to ignore him

[Gamma Emerald]

This sucks but I'm not going to endorse a fitz PL. Sure, maybe he should've seen this coming and not joined, but lynching him on some leftover beef that I really don't give a shit about isn't happening. I'll let him catch up, read that slot like anyone else, and keep trying to play the game. I encourage the rest of you to do the same.

On that note

VOTE: Gamma

Are you going to back this up?

[Gamma Emerald]

His first vote on gamma is something I think he would do as scum, and then after his push on gamma was weak

He retracted his push tho which I tr

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe Titus/MMM

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ha... Grey notices the same BYF unvote delay on Transcend as I point our earlier.

this is hilarious. Hilariously bad.

Fitz is actually trying to take credit for noticing something that somebody else already noticed first.

I'd like to know how this is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

You said it was bad. I don't even consider it bad, it's just mirror tell.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright. That clear things up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fitz claim

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: fitz

[Gamma Emerald]

What @TF

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright
What happened to not voting claimed PRs D1?

[Gamma Emerald]

My first Mini Normal had all the usual Town roles put in a JOAT and had a bodyguard, watcher, and BP as the other power.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you switch MM4?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a Not_Mafia level explanation, but it's there.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum would actually try to avoid doing that type of attention drawing move

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum would actually try to avoid doing that type of attention drawing move

I don't think so
It doesn't help town whatsoever and that sort of thinking makes it beneficial for scum

I'm not getting into a WIFOM battle over this

[Gamma Emerald]

An exam about Adrian Peterson? How cool

Advanced Placement
It's a dual credit class

[Gamma Emerald]

I've seen quite a few Town watchers in my games

[Gamma Emerald]

@TwoFace, Why not?
UNVOTE: fitz

He claimed FULL watcher. You do realize how op watcher is in general for town?

It's far more likely to be in scum hands than town.

What are you saying.. "ok watcher"? And town watcher is a fairly common role. I don't think I've ever seen a scum one.

You may not have been paying attention but in Eager snakes mini Normal the was a mafia watcher

[Gamma Emerald]

Official Vote Count

WhemeStar

(6): TwoFace, TwoFace, Ircher, Hikari Link, havingfitz, WhemeStar

Gamma Emerald

(2): MortFeld, Tarkus

Ircher

(1): MarioManiac4

Hikari Link

(1): PenguinPower

Not Voting

(4): BigYoshiFan, MMM, RayFrost, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

WhemeStar is the leading wagon and is at L-1

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

Oh hey the same alert mastina uses

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

>Mort calls me scum
>PP naked votes me
I think I found a scum
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Gamma Emerald]

naked votes aren't scummy.

what else you have other than omgus?

The timing is

[Gamma Emerald]

Having differing reads is grounds for a scumread?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because that's what I said.....

Hm. But having similar reads is grounds for a townread?

How am I posting differently?

Last game was a newbie, and you had a lot more analysis in your posts than I am seeing here. And yes, similar reads lacking other information is a good start for a townread.

{Gamma}

post a case on gamma.

I don't do that.

Reading through my game with you where you were scum I think this might be a town post
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
Maybe PP and WhemePlay are scum together

[Gamma Emerald]

My lynch pool is PP, BYF and Whemestar. I'll settle for any of them.

Not a bad pool imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you scum ISOs of "currently living players" D1, when no one has died?

[Gamma Emerald]

What's wrong with being a try hard?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just asking a question since that read awkward.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: PP

[Gamma Emerald]

GUYS STOP PENGUIN IS TOWN I KNOW IT UNVOTE

?

Explain?

Uh just a gut feeling. I think if you were scum you would of subtly hopped on my wagon

"After a quick Iso of Wheme, it is really trash and blah blah blah... couple reasons. then a vote on me. "

You really need to stop doing this. You will do it as scum and you will never be able to do it as town again.

But if I do it as town every game, people will TR me for doing it when I'm scum

This is shit. Bring your scumgame up, don't bring your towngame down.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

PenguinPower replaces ChannelDelibird upon confirmation l. Thay have been informed of the flaming rules

Way behind here

[Gamma Emerald]

/mute twoface
/block twoface

Do not toe the line

Kek

[Gamma Emerald]

I really just don't care as long as I don't townread it

[Gamma Emerald]

I've been posting a decent amount but the effort is low.

[Gamma Emerald]

I could go for Ircher
I do like Mort's case

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Ircher

[Gamma Emerald]

You and MM4 are the only people Im not willing to lynch because I read you as Town
Not lynching fitz or TF since they are PRs and there's no good reason to scumread them
Kinda reading MMM as town rn
Null town on BYF and Mort I guess
WhemeStar seems like newbtown imo
Tarkus and RayFrost need to post more
Ircher and PP are p much where I feel scum might be at rn. I know I said PP's play seemed towny earlier but the circumstances aren't quite the same as I thought.

[Gamma Emerald]

Apparently I had reads I just didn't give a crap about thinking about them

[Gamma Emerald]

Those are just my reads
Vote me if you like idrc

[Gamma Emerald]

I really am not engaged this game
Probably since I expected to be a fun role again. Last Xnadroj game I was an Ascetic Enabler so I had game info to get myself engaged with
Now I'm just a lowly VT (hardclaim) so I guess that may be causing my apathy

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you read?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've been trying to stay engaged since I feel the game has already had too many replace outs

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think you and Mario are scum since I feel you've been the most honest players
No good reason to lynch the PRs means no cop reports or incriminating flips.
After thinking things over MMM seems to have good logic.
I don't feel BYF and Mort are scum but I don't really have as much confidence in those than the other townreads
I feel WhemeStar is just town who is a bit of a nutcase. I've selfhammered to progress a game once as Town.
In the game I checked of PP's he made a small case, here he was objecting to making a big case. As for Ircher, I felt they were scummy in the beginning, dropped the suspicion, but now I'm turning that stone again.

[Gamma Emerald]

1) sure scum can be honest but it feels like Town honesty, you seem to wear your thoughts on your sleeve
2) the times I've lynched claimed PRs have usually been for information affecting their claim.
Mini 1830: Watcher claimed he'd flip blue (PR) when a PR had just flipped green. Was Town. D2
Mini 1854: Scum fakeclaimed JK and was soft CCed by bodyguard, and got lynched. D1
Mini 1860: Mafia Strongman fakeclaimed bodyguard Day 1, I, as vig, shot the Doctor, incriminating the claimed BG. Lynched the Strongman D2.
3) I feel like his scumhunting is founded on real principles. Examples later.
4) They lack a clarity I feel with my other townreads. My thoughts on them feel muddy.
5) I feel it's Town that just wants to aid the game state by sacrificing himself. Whether he self hammered is irrelevant.
6) I'll get to those in a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Should I add explanations to the posts I quote by MMM that I feel are towny?

[Gamma Emerald]

Addressing 2, I'm saying the only way I'm lynching them is if something comes up that suggests something is wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks Kelvin
Also I'm working on my post about my MMM townread but it's going to be a massive wall.

[Gamma Emerald]

Was going to spoiler but it wouldn't work. Anyone not Kelvin Smith can skip this if they want.

Town: MortFeld, Ircher, Hikari Link
All of these should be quite obvious tbh

Null: MarioManiac4, TwoFace, NotTheRealPaul, ChannelDelibird, Tarkus
The last 3 haven't said much and I'm undecided on MM4 and TF.

Scum: Gamma Emerald, Titus, BigYoshiFan, Transcend
Already explained my first 3, Transcend is just being... weird? I feel like he's just gonna dismiss me by saying I can't meta him tbh

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

I feel like his reads are actually well reasoned here, minus the scumread of me. My guess is he's used to my play style on PS! and isn't used to my play style here.

Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.

It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?

I'll explain later - I feel like it would be counter-intuitive if I did it now.

Imo town is more likely to say something like this involving the reasoning explaining.

Getting d1ed by a bunch of idiots who can't read me.

Lame.

>calling everyone lynching him idiots

I don't like his progression through the game

I don't like his pre flip associations

>not a single example

Titus+Mort/BYF+GE for early scum team imo

Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm

Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me

This is junk

This is junk too

Mort help get the votes off of me lol

>does ate

I'm bad at defending myself unless i ate/wifom which i don't like doing

>talks about ateing next post

I'm sorry is this mafia or is this a fucking popularity contest?

This feels quite towny, like he feels indignant that no one can see what he sees

MMM, gun to your head, which of Yoshi/Mort are scum?

I'm not feeling a Titus lynch on d1, and Gamma is an easy target.

Fixed

Spoiler:

Ok, this looks like weak town Transcend. I can't really do much with naked reasons, but that generally is how he likes to play town. So I'll put him as town for now and hope he gives more later.

Getting d1ed by a bunch of idiots who can't read me.

Lame.

>calling everyone lynching him idiots

I don't like his progression through the game

I don't like his pre flip associations

>not a single example

Titus+Mort/BYF+GE for early scum team imo

Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm

Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me

This is junk

This is junk too

Mort help get the votes off of me lol

>does ate

I'm bad at defending myself unless i ate/wifom which i don't like doing

>talks about ateing next post

I'm sorry is this mafia or is this a fucking popularity contest?

Baaah.

Willing to vote Trans based on this and TwoFace.

These don't coincide well with me, especially if it's TwoFace's 153 post that you're referring to.

That's the best reason for a scumread I have at the moment.
VOTE: Titus

If anything I think that makes Titus look slightly townier since town re-evaluates peoples' scumminess. Voting for that doesn't come off that well to me. Still prefer a Transcend lynch though.

Imo this doesn't feel like whiteknighting and I don't think Titusslot is scum rn so this points to town!MMM.

388 was will after the to examples he posted in 381, where he said he provided no examples.

the issue is mmm explained his reads were not pre associative, they were just his top scum reads so transcend's accusation that came AFTER mmm already explained that was a false accusation.

I don't care. Just because somebody says words, doesn't make them true.

He provided 2 suspected *groupings* of scum.

4 players split into two groups of two, with neither player in the other group.

That's an association read no matter what excuses he makes. Period.

I'm sorry, but what does "associative" mean here? Isn't anything with a group of people associative?

So if I say A, B and C are scum
and D, E and F are town
with no reasoning whatsoever
is that associative?

This feels like exasperation where he is thinking "I guess I have to explain like you are a child."

obvtown
{Hikari Link}
{Ircher,

-Grey-

, TwoFace, MortFeld}
{

Tarkus, Titus, ChannelDelibird

}
{BigYoshiFan, Gamma Emerald, MarioManiac4}
{

Transcend

}
obvscum

Sadly can't do that much with this given that 3 people (Transcend, -Grey-, Titus) need a replacement and 2 (ChannelDelibird, Tarkus) have hardly said anything. The only one of those slots that I have any confidence on is Transcend (I know I placed Grey in my townlean pile but at the same time he always seems townie to me, and that's considering I played him in both my completed games so far, so my confidence in my read on him is low) and technically his sub can still convince me not to lynch him.

Also offtopic but how long's it been since mods started looking for replacements... 2 and a half days almost, I think? We might never even get them at this rate which would be really disappointing as I was looking forward to this quite a bit.

@Hikari response coming in new post

I don't think scum would include obvtown and obvscum in their reads. Scum want to keep their options open, and hard stances go against that.

The historical data shows that watcher appeared once in 10+ games with the information I have at my disposal and another role or variant of it pretty much every other time.

Host meta is bad imo.

Sup guys unvote me I claim vanilla townie

lol

Hey guys Ircher is scum let me try to explain this

lol

Titus Evaluation

1. 38 --> Votes Mort cuz she doesn't like his responses -->

I disagree greatly with the assessment. His reads look fine imo and show a town thought process. It seems more like Titus is simpl trying to find something she can attack herself -- how ironic!

2. 171 --> Elaborates on Mort read; mainly states that Mort's stuff lacks depth and asks too many questions -->

Honestly, I still feel like Titus is trying to find things to attack; Titus made the original read about 1 1/2 pages into the game. So, w/ RVS et cetera, there isn't going to be a lot to analyze so questions won't have a lot of depth. While the # of Qs Mort asked was kinda high, I don't necessarily see it as scum-motivated.

3. 177 --> Admits reasoning was bad cuz trying to get things going -->

And this feels like Titus is distancing from her read. Had she said this way earlier, I might buy it, but this seems to be Titus thinking "Oops! I better try to play that read off as non-serious". I don't buy it at all.

4. 178 --> Mort/Yoshi pinged her as partners -->

This early in the game? I mean, 68 kinda pinged me as Titus / MMM being possible partners, but by no means did I see a solid association between the two. Unless Titus elaborates later, this association read feels superficial and an attempt to appear to have reads while simultaneously casting shade at another player.

5. 182 --> Transcend is weak town -->

I would like to note that this happened after Transcend said that town!Titus pretty much always defends him at this point in the game. Titus is obviously trying to keep her options open.

6. 387 --> Asks how Tarkus can see things as her on Mort despite not understanding Titus's posts -->

Different perspective perhaps? Feels like another shade-throwing attempt. Not to mention that Titus hasn't been too specific in her read, so it's pretty difficult to understand when one quotes zero evidence.

7. 408 --> Says town!Trans actually pressures people -->

What suggests he isn't? Also, I honestly don't see the difference between Transcend here and Transcend in 1900. Again, I think this is scum Titus keeping her options open.

So that is my not meta-based case on Titus.

This post is scummy IMO

Hi Transcend...?

I've seen quite a few Town watchers in my games

Oh speaking of host meta...
Ya I say don't obvscum fitz just because of his role either. I find him somewhat scummy upon catching up - I don't really like him TRing people solely for having the same opinions as him without a sign or explanation of how the same opinions also came from the same place - but I really don't want to risk a Watcher flip on day 1 either, so I won't vote him today.

Ircher are u scum buddy

It can be our secret, I won't tell

Ircher vote on me is scummy

I swear to god this guy is literally Transcend's alt.

Feels like genuine frustration that the replacement is no better than its predecessor.

VOTE: gamma

Why

I was weighing whether or not Mort was scum - his posting is a bit different than the last game I played with him. He's reads mostly aligned with mine, so I'm going to treat him as town. We both don't see Wheme as scum here, you were the closet counterwagon, and I think you're scum.

Your reads don't align with mine and I think you have a pretty yucky ISO that is full of empty questions.

Here's where I'm at after a scan through.

{Hikari, Twoface, Mortfeld}
{Wheme, MMM, BYF}
{Tarkus, Rayfrost}
{Ircher, Havingfitz, Mariomaniac4}
{Gamma}

Sooooo.....yeah.

How are Wheme and BYF townleans? How are you so sure on Ga--

{Gamma}

post a case on gamma.

I don't do that.

OH FUCK OFF

Not to say that scum can't replace in and pick a player to blindly sheep.

This

This feels like real emotion about how PP decided to dodge elaborating on his read.

[Gamma Emerald]

Think I'll case Ircher and PP after I sleep

[Gamma Emerald]

mmm the point is that he went from "I don't have strong reads so I have to compromise" to "PP and wheme are basically modconfirmedscum" within two pages
you don't get solid read structures that way. this is what Titus did x10,000 and everyone is just ignoring it

I've said I think Fitz is scum. People are just scared to lynch potential watcher

Ew

[Gamma Emerald]

We are lynching PP because despite how bad Wheme is, I can see both his and Transcend's play as coming from town, ever so slightly.

if you can't see play as coming from town, it has to be scum right?

I don't think you get it

[Gamma Emerald]

You took that way out of context

[Gamma Emerald]

MM4 said "this is worse than what Titus did by a lot"
Mort: "Titusslot is scumz"

[Gamma Emerald]

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Titus was scum because the way she pushed me was very bad. That's about it. I have barely read fitz' posts.

cut the tunnel vision bro

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't been replaced
read the replacement

[Gamma Emerald]

then why say you haven't read him

[Gamma Emerald]

Got it

[Gamma Emerald]

Well what's your read on him

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you actually read all of my posts?

[Gamma Emerald]

I initially didn't like MMM's reads but I've changed my mind on that.
Say where I townread fitz.
I'm intending to case my two biggest scumreads soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'd made the dedication to do so before you posted your case on me. Look at my recent interaction with Kelvin Smith.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I didn't feel the motivation to post a case before.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I wasn't engaged and no one had really pushed me to be active. The deadline being near, people were talking about the complacency of scum and I felt I had to counter that.
Enter a certain accusation in 3,2,...

[Gamma Emerald]

Can't really quote since it's hard to quantify, but PP's posts feel deflective and snippy. Like he's trying to convey people who think differently are stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that scummy instead of merely a bad attitude?

What is the inherent scum motivation to behave in a way that antagonizes people who disagree with you?

It let's him steer the town how he wants.

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda like Ray's posts, though I did note he tipped his hand on his scumread of me before he caught up. I've seen this action a couple of times but I have no idea how it relates to alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ray's GE case might be legit.

Do you agree tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you seen RF play?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you are all Town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

YOLO
VOTE: Gamma

The YOLO was unnecessary and feels like a "don't judge me" safeguard.

Okay so TwoFace is a double voter for real
I'm going to tr him until I see reason to think otherwise.

@Gamma
This post is worth voting you for.

Okay so TwoFace is a double voter for real
I'm going to tr him until I see reason to think otherwise.

@Gamma
This post is worth voting you for.

For real? What's so scummy about it?

Tbf, in retrospect, it isn't as bad as I was originally thinking; just kinda felt the townread was a bit off....
Also:
UNVOTE:

I feel like this is indirectly shading TF

someone tell me when something interesting happens....

Like Titus's replacement getting lynched.....

Seems to not care about actually evaluating the Titusslot beyond the point where he scumread her.

@TwoFace, Why not?
UNVOTE: fitz

He claimed FULL watcher. You do realize how op watcher is in general for town?

It's far more likely to be in scum hands than town.

Watcher is about equivalent to Cop in power, and I feel Ircher should know this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright

[Gamma Emerald]

HELLO

[Gamma Emerald]

They wouldn't be replaced before Day ended

[Gamma Emerald]

What
I feel Ircher might be victim of a frame kill but I'm not going to jump to conclusions

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank goodness
Read lists and VCAs all over the world are rejoicing

[Gamma Emerald]

In Normals it's generally rare to have multiple Strong investigative roles in the same game and Cop and Watcher are some of the strongest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah fitz is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Last Xnadroj game had a 2 shot cop, so I am inclined to believe 2-shot watcher.

[Gamma Emerald]

Last Xnadroj game had a 2 shot cop, so I am inclined to believe 2-shot watcher.

I wasn't aware he liked modifiers but if that's your logic...its right in this instance.

I was an Ascetic Enabler in that aforementioned game so yeah, dude likes modifiers

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright then .-.
Also, kinda dumb to cop a claimed watcher, you know they're mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Tier list

PenguinPower, TwoFace, Kelvin Smith, RayFrost
MarioManiac4
Ircher, BigYoshiFan, MMM
Gamma Emerald

vote: Gamma Emerald

Why do you have such a comprehensive list so soon after replacing

[Gamma Emerald]

One comment: I think that the way that Titus replaced out was very sudden and strange and probably there was some infighting in the scum team, from this I expect that she was being bussed and was unhappy about that. I am looking at Ircher for the prime suspect here.

If I have to pick a team, it is fitz+Gamma+Ircher.

O btw I'm going to re ISO fitz to check for town, since as I said he detests bussing
NVM me asking about the list, I thought you replaed Kelvin

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, I ctrl+F'd my slot.

VOTE: Ircher

That was super weak dude.

Wait what

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so TwoFace is a double voter for real
I'm going to tr him until I see reason to think otherwise.

@Gamma
This post is worth voting you for.

For real? What's so scummy about it?

This exchange is a bit odd. It's almost as though Ircher is coaching him and Gamma is curious about what mistake he made.

I can see this

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading through my game with you where you were scum I think this might be a town post
UNVOTE:

Please explain this, Gamma?

I saw him make a case in that game
But he said he doesn't like to do big one so eh

[Gamma Emerald]

I really am not engaged this game
Probably since I expected to be a fun role again. Last Xnadroj game I was an Ascetic Enabler so I had game info to get myself engaged with
Now I'm just a lowly VT (hardclaim) so I guess that may be causing my apathy

Zero town motivation to claim like this here. I am reading this as scum AtE - it has no purpose except to gain sympathy - and trying to fake a villagery premature frustrated claim (even though he has replaced frustration with apathy).

I claimed since I foresaw being a potential wagon
It's basically an advanced version of how I claimed in Mini 1838 and Open 663.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tier list

PenguinPower, TwoFace, Kelvin Smith, RayFrost
MarioManiac4
Ircher, BigYoshiFan, MMM
Gamma Emerald

vote: Gamma Emerald

Why do you have such a comprehensive list so soon after replacing

I still really dislike this post, like it's bad shade-throwing or something. I don't understand why this is an issue. Also, he says "so soon." How much time did you have to read the game before you made this post?

Not enough to realize Priscila replaced Tarkus and not Kelvin

[Gamma Emerald]

1602 - 1614 - 1616 - 1622 - 1623 - 1624

None of this reads as apathetic villager. His comment about not spoiling that wall of quotes also seems strongly to me like an intentional attempt to seem to be producing a great deal of content when really there is very little.

It was around that point I started tryharding, seriously, you think I will keep the same tempo all game? I just played a game where Town motivation dropped after a big mislynch

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to start by going ahead with this:

Vote: BigYoshiFan

I'd like to state that I currently have a

townread

on Gamma. And I never really had a scumread on him. His reaction to my accusations on day 1 was quite towny (which brought him from null to town), and the reactions of other players around those accusations were more suspect. My main motivation for pushing him was that I had felt it was highly unlikely a wagon would actually shift to him (I didn't want more claims, really) and it was highly likely people would be willing to discuss it (other pushes felt less likely to get any substance from the others). Sorry to Gamma. You were a good choice for this. Nothing personal.

Now, the reactions of two players in particular bothered me: Ircher and BigYoshiFan. I'm fine with voting either one this game phase. I'd need to go back through to link to specific posts for BigYoshiFan, but here's the basic breakdown for both reads:

BigYoshiFan - his ~scumread~ on titus and his reactions around her were very much of the omgus variety in that it could be boiled down to "titus' reasoning for suspecting me is bad so titus is suspect" - his suspicion of titus is artificial at best and is a reaction, not individually spawned. This can be seen by his reaction to people townreading the titus slot as well.

A lot of BigYoshiFan's sources of suspicion can be summed up with "what this person did didn't feel genuine" - there's no way to really poke at this reasoning. And it's not wrong in and of itself. But when it's the reason for most of your reads, it becomes an excuse rather than a reason. He also puts mild efforts to express a townread of Ircher in reaction to people suspecting him. Mind you, associative tells before a flip aren't the best to go off of, but it's a point for why ircher's number two.

Additionally, his reaction to my case against Gamma was "I promise more later, but it's intriguing" with nothing given later. Intriguing and interesting are two words with very similar uses: you say them and it can mean anything you want. Also note BigYoshiFan never shows any suspicion of Gamma prior to or after that post.

Ircher - Associative tells with BigYoshiFan are the main reason, to be honest. If you look through their interactions and the flow of their reads, there's a lot of them matching up in reads / supporting each other's cases and not a lot of actual direct interaction between them. It's indirect. Agreement, with little conflict of reads (or apparently not enough to converse with each other about their differences for some reason).

The stuff from today that has been mentioned could be included as well, but that's been covered.

I'd also like to make a premature claim because I can. I'm a

two shot gunsmith

, and I've used both shots on players that I couldn't get a good read on. One is MarioManiac4, the other is Penguin Power. Neither of them have guns. I'm making this claim now because the playerlist is small enough that having these results (especially since I can't get any more) out is beneficial given we don't know how many members of the scumteam there are. If you are a role with limited shots that is investigative and you've used them, I would suggest claiming now.

Okay, so I'm considering those two (MM4 and PP) soft cleared for now
I forgot who the cop was :'(, can someone refresh me

[Gamma Emerald]

Nevermimd

[Gamma Emerald]

Tier list

Kelvin Smith, MarioManiac4
PenguinPower, MMM, BigYoshiFan
Ircher
Gamma Emerald, RayFrost

Why is ray at the bottom

[Gamma Emerald]

What
I feel Ircher might be victim of a frame kill but I'm not going to jump to conclusions

Gamma please explain this.

Mort was scumreading Ircher fairly clearly Day 1

[Gamma Emerald]

My preferred order would be BigYoshiFan -> Ircher -> MMM -> Priscila -> GammaEmerald -> MM4 / Penguin Power

I think this looks good but I already claimed as Priscila pointed out.

[Gamma Emerald]

K
VOTE: gamma

Why is this

[Gamma Emerald]

Also we have an interesting situation. Scum have to pick between possibly getting guiltied if they kill Ircher or getting blocked n4 if they kill Kelvin

[Gamma Emerald]

You were next in line, and Ircher claimed PR.

In line for what

[Gamma Emerald]

LINE FOR WHAT

[Gamma Emerald]

So why vote me if I'm next for massclaim? Also you must have something going on since I've already claimed VT D1, and reaffirmed that claim today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright so Ircher is just being stupid. Got it.