Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Heartless]

God damn it Steve in accounting

u r a dork

[Heartless]

with trans it could be any of the three but the doc seems to make it look like he was interfered with

unless there was an action that resolved in twilight that would be weird

when does the doc cover?

[Heartless]

Four people visiting heartless seems like a lot.....

it does

titus should be two of those if she is what she claims

other ones....?

[Heartless]

Four people visiting heartless seems like a lot.....

Two are likely me. One is likely Dunn being a watcher. The last is probably scum.

If my theory is correct, the person who visited me is town.

i though dunn was supposed to track u

[Heartless]

I guess Dunn and myself?

I wasn't expecting a public mass watcher result so i visited you in case dunn wasnt a watcher and fakeclaimed a result

We're a pick cop btw, should I claim our result?

u can i guess...?

[Heartless]

How is that useful?
Also how would that prove dunnstral visited them?

would prove dunn was rly a watcher if they showed up in his results

now... why they blew their load before dunn even posted is ... ? kinda weird bc it was unnecessary and completely defeats the purpose

[Heartless]

rosalind and robert letuece was one pick, the other Lisa and Bary simpson

i honestly couldnt think of what else to do with our pr since we didnt get to use our active ability lmao

that is correct so i guess that rly is ur role

[Heartless]

i mean dunn would figure it out that someone visited you guys so

well yeah but he still wouldn't have known WHO so if he was faking he still wouldve been sol

[Heartless]

eh... whtvr

even if dunn is scum he's prob not lying about the tracker watcher part

[Heartless]

in other news i'm giving random 3 posts to do something town

[Heartless]

Lol the campaign to reduce bullying.
God damn RCs flavor is hilarious

That was me.

VOTE: Vecna

~Akarin

I agree with this, actually.

VOTE: Vecna

erk...?

[Heartless]

what's ur vecna scum read based on? plz refresh me

[Heartless]

whew... i do not have enough bullets...

[Heartless]

whew... i do not have enough bullets...

Talk to me here.

vecna, dunn, and randoms corpses would decorate the rafters if i had my way

dw i'm not going to actually do anything wo tth

[Heartless]

my gut was telling me day 1 vecna play was awful but still town.
I think todays theory talk with him is more scum mindset than townie.

Idk.

this

[Heartless]

btw who needs active bonds?

we're going all passive after today

[Heartless]

A lynch on Random is completely off the table.

Is this a hard investigative clear?

[Heartless]

The only way that's even theoretically possible is if Eddie visited and changed the results, but that's just sketch and I don't really buy that.

RC doesn't seem to be the type of game designer to randomly fuck over investigative roles. We're talking about the same guy who told his cop there was a godfather in their role PM.
Even without that mod meta tidbit, thinking there's

another

scum role that screws with investigations

after

a godfather flip is a pretty wide chasm to try to jump. Vecna's a little scummier for pushing that to me too. :\

[Heartless]

A lynch on Random is completely off the table.

Is this a hard investigative clear?

If not, you tell Ali to talk

a lot

more about this, jj. Pooh-poohing without substance isn't going to fly here.

[Heartless]

No, but it's a pretty firm "Do not lynch this guy."

I expect to be dazzled by this townread.

[Heartless]

If you're really townreading random and it's not anything role related, then why are you being cagey about explaining it?

[Heartless]

How is that relevant to alignment?

[Heartless]

No lynching Random. Both me and the new voice in my head say no.

So you don't have a townread on random independent of anything Ali says?

[Heartless]

I'm not dazzled. :\

[Heartless]

You don't have to be. You just need to know that we will smack you if you try to get Random on the lynchblock.

OK so how about you for that bogus townread?

[Heartless]

Well, I wish he'd explained but he spent most of the night interrogating me

Ask Alisae if he plans on explaining his random townread to me and tell him to please talk to me.

[Heartless]

No.
Let's lynch you instead.

VOTE: jjh927

[Heartless]

I think this JJ push sucks

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person voting him?

[Heartless]

I think this JJ push sucks

I think this JJ push sucks

2nd

Dude is one of my hardest trs.

Can you both give a short description of why this is?
Hard defending random in a really noisy but ineffective way doesn't jump out as town to me.

[Heartless]

It's just a feeeeeeeeeling

Words to feelings.
Or would you like a lead sandwich instead?

[Heartless]

Approach to game doesn't feel scum motivated

That's not helpful for evaluating if this is a legitimate read on your part at all.

[Heartless]

What about it?

[Heartless]

The JJ pushes are generally awful though and him being counter wagon to scum surely suggests town?

Unless you have a theory that involves scum making a concerted push on JJ in order to save shiqf, no.
Please tell me more about your read on JJ.

[Heartless]

and obviously there's more to it than that because I am completely steadfast on this but I'm not saying shit

Alright-y, I'm going to put a moratorium on the random scumread.
Tell Alisae that if I ever figure out this role stuff is anything less than airtight town confirmation, I'm coming after him. Is that how much he will vouch for this evidence? How about you, JJ?

[Heartless]

I'M BACK AND DIVING HEADLONG INTO THIS

[Heartless]

fire, we would like to bond w you

[Heartless]

TTH AND I GOT OUR SHIT TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS GAME WITHOUT GETTING DISTRACTED IT'S A MIRACLE WIOWAEJFLK;DSAJLKNVKLANV;NWECLK;JDSFANKL;DSNFL;AJDSF

Fro99er, Titus
Aelita, Alisae, jjh927, Firebringer, Transcend, (Randomidget)
null line ---> Bellaphant, Dunnstral, EddieByte, Mcmenno
Vecna

so here's where our collective reads are

[Heartless]

VOTE: vecna

quick capsule

pushing a role from a semi-open game included FOR that semi-open game is such a SUUUUUPER strained angle

(and one i think he's taking to avoid calling dunn scum but i can't prove that rn)

. we also think it's reasonably likely he would've gravitated towards a gork nk.

plus thinkbig was scummy. that too.

[Heartless]

i am submitting bonds on jj and fire

you two, y/n?

[Heartless]

jj, ali

if random is not actually confirmed town

i will hunt u down

and fart in ur cereal

[Heartless]

i could really get down n dirty with eddiebyte rope even though i love them both

/sigh

eddie is kind of an enigma to us

tth and i spent a GOOD chunk of time trying to come up with an elegant narrative that involved eddie being scum but it's kinda clunky. mostly this:

What does risk free bus even mean

is there risk to a "standard bus"

risk was the wrong word

i was thinking risk vs reward but it's more like cost effect. bussing a teammate (in terms of actually lynching them) gas a certain cost. for exmaple, us hard bussing frog as partners with him here would be a very high cost since both frog and i are both very town read, moreso frog. the amount gained isn't really worth it cus we'd be losing a scummate thst was very widely townread in exchange for a bit more town cred ourselves. us hard bussing shiqf would be far less costly because he's a useless slot thst wouldn't be helping a scuk team regardless. it's also slightly less effective for town cred, but overall it's far better than bussing a relevant tesmmste. does that make more sense?

I'll vote shiqf if he gets to l-1 and giga approves it due to sheer exhaustion from day length. I want a lynch on someone who isn't a null read and will actually help a sort people.

they identified what they SHOULD do as scum, so they knew. they....... didn't just do it? that's weird. that would be weird. they already roughly outlined suspicion on shiqf, them jumping on him when it picked up steam wouldn't have been THAT conspicuous.

the big thing that gives us pause here is the beginning of the day when one of the heads prematurely claimed. i guess it's POSSIBLE the other head was more involved in strategizing w the night so the other one just lolclaimed not rly thinking through the consequences but meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that whole thing kinda skeezed me out.

[Heartless]

Oh yeah, I need to decide where I'm putting my splat.

I might go with Random today but I don't remember how much of a wagon he has rn.

what's this now...?

[Heartless]

JJ is fucking town. If not for his role, or his play....then for his wagon.

SvS wagon on day1 after i was shitwagoned for so long? Dont make me laugh. We were lucky and landed on the right target....but i refuse to believe jj is scum. Anyone not seeing this is earning cumulative scumpoints in my book.

his play is kinda townie

his role and his wagon are both null unless they're part of a theory that point to him being town

this read feels overdone

[Heartless]

fire, we would like to bond w you

*makes crazy gestures* no

VOTE: vecna

~nrana

then what do u want...?

[Heartless]

fire ur not answering me about the bond

that's very rude

[Heartless]

If i was scum i wouldve gravitated towards a TITUS nk btw. Anti knows this. If im scum and titus is town he never lets up, and will continue tunneling me untill im dead no matter what happens. Gorkington is good at obv towning but not great at scumhunting from what ive seen.

gork is more charismatic in this player list than titus (no offense) and i gather from the context he was familiar w how to read u

so... lol

[Heartless]

You really think scum have an even stronger pr they were defending?

i'm not sure what u mean by this...

what do u mean by this?

[Heartless]

Anyways this current push is giving scum exactly what you want. If you cannot see that the nk was designed to get a certain group of people lynched -or- to keep me abd titus fighting youre being blind.

i've very very very very seldom seen scum do a "frame kill" and i don't think i've EVER seen that n1 of a large.

keeping a shit show going is MAYBE a reason but killing out of us/dunn would also accomplish that very nicely wo the fuss of allowing a conftown. early kills esp are very often for reads and that leads back to [you, eddie, jj]

[Heartless]

fire ur not answering me about the bond

that's very rude

i think i am bonding with mcmenno again?

pffffffffft ok then

who needs to be active and is in one of our top two tiers?

[Heartless]

IT'S GREAT THANKS I'M GIVING ANOTHER TALK IN ~5 HOURS AND I LAST SLEPT ON SATURDAY NIGHT

[Heartless]

if u agree to target whoever titus does, yes

[Heartless]

ok submitted to rc

[Heartless]

whats up with life anti?

what's ur reeeeed on eddie rn bc i'm waffling

i feel like the recent ate is vaguely scummy and all tth had for it was a meh so /raspberry

[Heartless]

So why shitfuck, a stupidly strong scum pr?

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

in a vacuum i wouldn't call the PR "stupidly strong" by any stretch. yeah sure there was godfather but he also couldn't kill, that's a pretty hefty neg utility.

and shiqf himself wasn't exactly moriarty-level deception master either. he was VERY bus-able

[Heartless]

If JJ wouldve flipped scum, shitfuck would likely be in the clear for quite some time longer since noone had a read on him.

meh i don't think this is right either. shifq was very likely to not make it beyond most ppl's null reads regardless of jj's flip while jj was actually putting in effort and could actually get townread.

[Heartless]

The fact they didnt means theyre either scum, or scum wanted to wifom us and is fine with the status quo.

OR they thought gork was a more immediate threat and was willing to pay the price of us being off the lynch table today (which ... is relatively small if gork has good reads)

i'm kinda wondering why you're dismissing gork's reads as bad out of hand and not looking at who the OTHER people he was poking were

[Heartless]

At any rate, i dont trust anyone else but me to keep an eye on that shit and ill put in effort tomorrow to survive.

If scum is pullong a mechanocal ploy here youll need me.

[Heartless]

I need to look back and see what Dunn thought of the TB wagon stuff

he was the one that said the role was untouchable

[Heartless]

Heartless, if you're not also bonding with Fire I think I'd prefer bonding with Bella.

ok then i guess we have 1 free slot

[Heartless]

Actually, Heartless, what would you think about bonding with me and Bella?

i could go for that

let me ask tth

[Heartless]

Same with Frogger not showing how bella is obvtown.

I already said if you want me to go post-by-post I'm more than happy to.

Otherwise I'm going to if you're not going to care anyway.

i'll take u up on that

[Heartless]

make no mistake frogger it's not for lack of trying or reading

and i think bella's content is alright but i have yet to hit something that rly makes me townread her.

[Heartless]

i thought titus was doubtcasting the heartless clear?

it's not a bulletproof clear it's a "most parsimonious explanation is a clear"

[Heartless]

When has heartless ever seen me flail explaiing a townread?

that's not what i said.......

[Heartless]

Spoiler: every post of Bella's on D2 with my read and reactions. I've already talked about her D1 play

i# have read up and am going to have a muc better day two.

Null. Bella is a better later game player.

Aelita, your read hasn't progressed at all? Can you tal to me bout the rest of your reads?

with all the info in the document, waiting for everyone to check in before we leap to any conclusions.

This is bella observing that someone's read list hasn't progressed and trying to push this for more info about why. I see this as town motivation. Instead of just accusing Aelita of being scum, bella's trying to get a read by forcing Aelita to interact.

Aelita, can you link me to that's readlist and any explanation you've given?

Trying to sort Aelita.

who's nebby?

Can you explain reads that aren't vecna? even showing me where you formed your titus read would be ace.

Asking for explanation why the readslist has been static.

Did the scum flip change any of those reads?

Can you show me where you've been buddied?

Trying to understand Aelita.

No, I'm trying to apply logic to the statements 'I migh be being buddied' and 'I can't tell you where'.


^ one of the towniest posts titus has made.

Bella trying to figure out why Aelita's two statements don't make sense. Scum bella would probably just take Aelita's word for it or totally disbelieve it and push it instead of trying to mentally sort it.

Also, the part where Bella says this is a town post by Titus is interesting because it shows Bella is trying to actively sort Titus. Bella has waffled on Titus all game and this is just another example of the waffle. Scum!bella is more of a tryhard and would be casing Titus if she really thought that was an angle she could push.

I kinda wanna back away from the role mechanics for a bit.

Agree; we should be looking at the lynch

I am convinced that at least two scum were on that wagon.

With his play that useless (only a bit worse than mine) it's competently inconceivable to me that scum didn't bus the fuck out of the slot.

Do you agree?

if you do.... how on earth are you using 'the lynch' to find scum?

if you don't...why not?

Bella and I talked about this in our PT, but it makes total sense for scum to bus shiqf if it looked inevitable. It doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen, and bella and I could be wrong, but it's me and her trying to figure out if scum really did bus. Again, it makes sense that IF scum were to bus, it's a useless shiqf that provides less info than other lynches, and who can't kill. so if somehow we lynched the other 3 scum first, and shiqf was left alive with like 5-7 people left, the only way shiqf wins is through town lynches since they can't night kill.

@dun, Nope, you claimed in the 25 pages between where I read, and where I posted, as i found a thing from frog to reply to. I re-read everything overnight,
anf iirc you were taling about titus?


You can't push me for not being here and not knowing what was going on, and then for vote parking at the same time.

I'd like someone I can talk to bond with me overnight.

Bella makes some points against Dunn. This is either-alignment bella.

@dunn, so you DO agree with me about bussing?

eddie wanting day 1 over was pro fucking town.

@titus, what's a trap? explain it to me like i'm five?

Bella has been back and forth on Eddie, so to say eddie wanted D1 over is pro fucking town is interesting because she could just pretend it's not, like other people are doing (cough, Dunn, cough) if she was scum. Or this only makes sense if Eddie and Bella are a scum pair. But given her waffling on Eddie I don't think that makes sense.

Traaaans. What did you think needed to happen to bond?

Because I think I know

These two go together and show bella know's whats up with my action. It's null, but it's possibly pro-town given I didn't tell her in our PT that I didn't want her to out that we actually did bond yet. Probably doesn't make sense to the rest of you.

The JJ pushes are generally awful though and him being counter wagon to scum surely suggests town? Also there was an interesting early shifq push that fell apart, that I will be clearer on when not phone posting.

P-edit, this is kind of what I was saying about bussing but got told 'no' by giga and 'no effect you' from Dunn. At least Titus is considering shit.

Bella pushing this angle that JJ is a counterwagon is only scum motivated if, as Titus believes, JJ and Bella are scum together. As town it surely is an observation that a lot of town make (including myself which I made this exact observation in Bringer mafia 2 when Sheep got lynched as scum and was the "counter" to Lowell -- who ended up also as scum and Lowell rode that cred to a lylo win)

....Yeah, that was where my notes about the early shiqf wagon come in. The conversation that came after it/around it is super interesting as well:

P55, trans votes shifq pretty randomly. By 56, so does fire, and so does frog because 'sheeping fire'. heart says shiqf is scum (doesn't vote) but says people won't go for it because it's easy. Jj then pipes up - why aren't we wagoning Eddie any more, Eddie's vote (possibly on shiqf) is bad, what is the case on shifq. ali tries to engage shiqf in a super towny way

Jj mentions going after random and is called out by trans for a lhf read.

Votes fl off shifq super quick - frog votes trans when he says frog is sheeping him on shiqf, then quickly unvotes.

This whole early wagon makes me consider I've been reading trans wrong at the end of the day. If jj flips scum, i can't see eddie ALSO being scum.

But I don't think jj is scum. he consistently tries to move the game forward and has responded well to pressure.

Reconsidering her Transcend read and her JJ read and her Eddie read. How is this scum motivated to reconsider the game state upon re-reading something?

At least Titus is considering shit.

She's considering jj scum over you so she's doing a good job in your eyes?

...look, i'd love to actually talk to you about shit, but your tunnel on me is boring and lazy. you are resorting to making shit up.

What's the eddie case

They're my buddy

hey, earlier you said vecna should be better than this. so should you.

This is pointed bella. Pointed bella is, based off my extensive experience with her as town, is town rather than scum. The "look, i'd love to actually talk to you about shit, but your tunnel on me is boring and lazy" is not something scum!bella ever says. The one time she rolled scum, she was a total tryhard and didn't make these pointed statements. Meta read that you don't have to believe me on, but this is actually a TONE thing I CAN read for once.

you said what?

Honestly, a lynch in you/jj/dunn would sort so much of the game for me. why shouldn't it be you?

@trans - i've actually read everything! is there anything you wanna chat about?

This is at Titus. And she's reconsidering a Titus lynch again after saying Titus towned it up with a post. I mean, the waffle on Titus is so huge that she has to really be playing her best scumgame ever to fool me like this around her actual attempts to FIGURE THIS GAME OUT. She's trying to sort, she seems a bit lost, but thinks a flip can help. That's fucking town.

@dunn, i'm not voting you? like i said, stop making shit up. Making shit up is a pretty good reason for me to vote you though, no?

@eddie, frog is occasionally pushing my 'omg, paranoia' buttons, but you are right about the emotion read. I genuinely believe he's trying to sort the game, but I think his reads are in flux right now? Like, the shiqf wagon stuff was in my notes to talk about, so i can see the thought process coming from town.

' like if we stuck to our guns and stayed on jj yesterday we'd still be pushed on being off the wagon because of shiqf's role' talk to me about this?

Bella has correctly sorted my reads are in flux. Hers are too. BTW, we're talking behind the scenes in our bond, and I can honestly say in our Bond PT she's also trying to actively sort the game. She just works better in 1 on 1 situations with people she likes. This is how we fucking solved Numbers Mafia (Plotinus' mini normal). Town bella worked together with town!me in a neighborhood to figure shit out and win that game for town. THIS IS HOW TOWN BELLA OPERATES. Need proof? I'll fucking link the game (or go to the mini normal archives and find Plotinus' Numbers mafia game).

jj, i don't think you strongly townread me, but I'd be good to bond with you?

Dunn I WAS BEHIND. I'm not now. jesus fucking christ are you just trying to make this game literally miserable for me? Lke, that's all your shitty shitty push is achieving.

Pissed off at dunn's bullshit push which is bullshit.

Hmm, that's not a bad option. We can definitely talk and I might be able to pick up a read.

Yeah, honestly, i'm in a much better place

I can't talk much about whether i wanna be active or passive 'til night, though?

p-edit, frog is doing things.

Null, but I know what she's doing.

also, jj, rc says we have acess to our bonds tomorrow but we can't still talk in them, so the code plan needs work

Null

@jj, does ali still want to prod me in the face?

Trying to sort Ali around this whole JJ/Ali/random thing. I think bella thinks if Ali can provide info around whether Ali is interested in sorting her, it'll help bella sort ali better? IDK.

i can't work out if my reluctance to lynch eddie is because he's the only one of titus/dunn/eddie that actually engages me

@jj, i'll submit?

This is town. Titus and Dunn are not actively engaging her. Just calling her scum with no legitimate reasons other than "she opposed the TB wagon"

I am super into vecna's posting on this page. I normally hate nca so maybe I'm conf!biasing

This is only scum Bella if it's Vecna and Bella scumteam, which Titus I guess believes is possible? I mean, if Titus doesn't think Vecna is scum anymore (and TB is Vecna), then surely her reason for scumreading Bella for defending TB/Vecna slot shouldn't be valid at this point? Because that was strictly a preflip association made by Titus. That's probably also why Bella calls Titus' read on her stale in one of the earlier posts.

Day one bellaphant is lynch bait. Day two Bella isn't, so either Titus and Dunn are gonna get bored soon, or they are gonna start to look worse than they do already.

Honestly though, considering how strong the town is, I'm not surprised if scum are demotivated.

Her first sentence about lynchbait is factually true. As scum, I've twice gotten her near lynched or lynched D1 because she IS lynchbait on D1.

Aelita - you've spent more words discussing other games than this one.

Either you want to sheep titus because you hav no reads and thoughts of your own about THIS game, in which case, stop shitting up the game, OR, actually engage in this game.

Can we shoot this?


have we had a vc recently?

I think bella is angrily townreading Aelita at this point, hence calling for a vig (when as of right now there's no evidence for a vig) rather than a lynch which is interesting given how D1 started and she was pressureing Aelita. Shows an evolving read and a legitimate attempt to sort.

I spent most of yesterday thinking dunn was scum. The nightkill actions make much more sense if dunn i scum - why isn't he dead? also, since today he's literally made shit up about me, and when i got defended implied frog was scum, was a completely fabricated read.

Early yesterday, eddie was scum. He towned it up under pressure and did a really good analysis of his wagon. a few things really worry me about him, but he's the only one in my scum!pile that's engaging with me clearly, so it's making me hesitant. I can go int pingy things about eddie more if you want?

Bella explaining her reads when asked. Null, but it does show how she evolved on Eddie.

@ dunn, when have you lied about me?

Honestly, a lynch in you/jj/dunn would sort so much of the game for me. why shouldn't it be you?

Why are you voting me? Do you not think my role is important to town with Titus?

Why should it be me? Justify your vote right now

At least Titus is considering shit.

She's considering jj scum over you so she's doing a good job in your eyes?

And Alisae if he wasn't bubbled/day 1

I looked at bella's iso and thought she was voting me because her last vote was 3000 posts ago

Never said anything about you being scum

And then you admit it

Ugh.

Titus, i don' see how your scum!team works together. how are you rationalising that in your head?

Also, what has menno done that isn't coasting?


also, i'm 'mathmatically' scum? hmmm?

I'd love you to lock sort me, titus.

Inviting titus to actually sort her instead of resorting to a 3000 post stale read. This is trying to get info from Titus as much as it is about defending herself.

no titus, come, on. the post to random honestly made it look like you were considering shit.

and now i get 'his iso' and 'poe' and 'desperate' without any follow through. fucking give me something.

also, why am i the one in our relationship that's, you know, actaully making the effort to sort the other? because i've had hangovers more fun than trying to engage with you and aelita.

Bella is trying to actively engage titus and have titus give her real reasons and things. She's considering Titus could be considering shit UNTIL titus gave reasons that really didn't look like considering shit. Bella is considering all options, not pigeonholing Titus into either scum or town. SHE'S ACTIVELY FUCKING TRYING TO READ TITUS AND FIGURE TITUS OUT. SHE'S GIVING TITUS EVERY LAST BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

Also, bella is doing her obvtown thing where she makes a good point in a total sarcastic manner. This is 100% town bella if I ever had a doubt, it's this post. (that's also why I responded I love you B -- it was to this post).

bc you're scum read on me is 175 pages old. And you haven't engaged with me properly once.

who's coasting?

wait....so read on me is..what?

Trying to figure out Titus' read on her.

love you frog

Null

Heartless, j, we're all bonding?

Null

conclusion: I WILL fight a bella lynch forever.

ok ty, will read

[Heartless]

When has heartless ever seen me flail explaiing a townread?

that's not what i said.......

My bad. Then tell me what Titus meant here

He expected you to flail if I pushed on your Bella read.

I want heartless to tell me why he expected me to flail.

The context of this is that yesterday, Anti was starting to question our strong townread on you.

Anti was getting paranoid about you and he thought there was a chance that you and Bella were partners. He brought this up to Titus in the bond PT and he told me about it. He didn't want to introduce his

paranoia

to the main game thread, but we did want you to go into the Bella read in more detail which is why Anti took you up on the PBPA offer. He thought you would flail at being called scum, not being asked to explain the read.

I will also be reading your wallpost on Bella and Anti and I will talk about that as soon as we can.

[Heartless]

ahhhhh jeez, i hate 6281 so much

[Heartless]

re: bonding rn we have dunn and jj down

if we're going to shift over to bella who's going to enable dunn's watch?

[Heartless]

i am not townreading eddie in any way and i do not want to give them anything

if we're bonding, we're not gonna be passive

[Heartless]

i misread 6307 hurr durr

[Heartless]

Heartless/JJ/Bella

i like this

running it by tth

[Heartless]

tth has given the green light

bond submitted to rc

[Heartless]

we better be getting our bond with bella

[Heartless]

you should've waited for everyone to confirm their bonds before hammering

[Heartless]

if you don't care then why did the hammer have to be right then?

[Heartless]

whatever

ok frogger i read your post

i think probably the STRONGEST point you got was the tone one. a common theme in your analysis was "[this post] is trying to figure something out" and i actually think scum will tend to poke and prod WITHOUT trying to take more swings than they have to probably bc it is so easy to impose a town motivation on it without it necessarily being there.

also u telling me now that she's posting in the pt and not out here troubles me. you're not in a hydra. we all need to see this gamesolving bc it's easier to fool 1 person than 11 people.

i better be fucking getting my bella pt.

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(and yeah i acknowledge that i don't have any recent meta experience w her and tth HAS brought up to me that the relative passiveness might be an artifact of her playstyle.)

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fro99er got strongmanned

alisae should be howling @ this

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He can also see my own.

so i had a little chat w jj

turns out what u had was NOT clearing

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Basically he is apart of my bond with random.

It was a scum role in Elemental Trinity.
It is a scum role here.

did mcmenno own up IN the bond?

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It may not be a clear, but it is a dam good reason for me to not be for lynching random.

actually no

no it is not

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it's ok trans

i know it's bella

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Jj, random's claim please?

I would like to bond with Eddie today.

vig-enabling doc

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okay

alisae

i hate to break it to you

but enablers for town roles can sometimes be in scum slots

this doesn't mean that random is scum, but it doesn't mean he's hard town like you think

also

see: firebringers death star mechanic in rogue one

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he's lieing to me.

you said it...

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Trans I know this.
It's just I sorta want to eventually be enabled and now I completely lost that chance because of MCMENNO.

So basically you stalled my scumhunting because you wanted power. random was in no way lock town.

Argh. Seriously.

yeah

honestly theres a part of me that just wants to line lynch alisae, random, and jj just for being complicit in this fuckery

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ah fuck no alisae is so fucking obvious town you drop that shit right now

jj is also probably town

didnt say they were scum

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eddie/bella/random

gg

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replace alisae with jjh and it makes sense.

no... it actually makes no sense at all

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Huh, I wonder why Scum would have a bond detector.
Maybe its so that their INFILITRATOR could INFILITRATE A BOND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.

This isn't rocket science.

given that most of the bonds change every day i dont think this is good

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raise your hand if u realistically expected random to be nightkilled

...or if u expect it even now...

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So therefore the role is town...

did i say that?

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titus are you fucking shading me even though the PUBLIC WATCHER result?

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not dunn

fire's thing

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like... holy shit your paranoia may have made sense day 1 but it should be dead and buried on multiple front by now INCLUDING our role

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@jj yeah, me and frog role claimed.

Can we lynch dun? I need a boooond and probably to be active. X

you wanna give it another shot

passive's fine for me

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Photocopies of a document were passed around the table:

-START OF DOCUMENT-
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...
One sale was made at the Cheetory residence but Steve in accounting informs us that they passed away recently. Unfortunately this will account for an 11.11% reduction in our potential for future sales but we still project good future earnings.
...
Fantastic sales were made in Heartlessville where we managed to make four sales. Jerry in advertising reminds all salespeople that the nickname 'SmellGaleFart' is considered offensive by local residencies and should be avoided.
...
A single sale was made to Transcend which excites prospects of future sales. A proposal has been made by the CEO to embark on an exciting marketing adventure to increase our brand name recognition in the area.
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We were also pleased to note a sale in the Greater Titus Area. Our sister company in Vodka sales has reported a significant drop in sales in the region in recent months.
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Two sales were made in Alisaeville. We've also embarked on a campaign to reduce the bullying in local public schools: see [Alisaeville New Marketing] for details.
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Also of note that the Board of Director plans to vote on increased salaries for the CEO and CFO and the CEO and CFO will decide on increased salaries on them. Since they all agreed that they'd give higher salaries to each other the salaries will probably increase.
-END OF DOCUMENT-

this watcher, titus.

this watcher.

(this was prob a one time thing though)

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1 more active bond any takers?

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no bella's the other one

you may ditch

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did rc answer the strongman question?

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Heartless I am bonding with you

submitted

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why do we need sorting...?

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does everyone have their bonds set?

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my biggest issue w this setup is how it's largely solved with roles as opposed to scum hunting

really...?

which scum got lynched based on role?

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RC I see you balanced this yourself
How do you do it

experience