Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until Thursday

First!

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I read that as a request for vig to shoot you

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VOTE: Kawso
You are not dog's best friend! Bad Kawso!

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{MarioManiac4}
{Bellaphant, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, Kawso}
{beeboy, Siblings Doggo, Balki B, CommKnight}
{Sesq, Tenshii, havingfitz, DeltaW}
{EchoVision, Flubbernugget, Hawk, GameNBurger}

What the fuck is this shit

[Gamma Emerald]

Post 19 looks like Scum Kawso to me. Kawso expresses an over-eagerness to appear townie by taking an obvious joke post too seriously and responding with a townie-looking question:

Why is someone like Balki & someone like Flubber in different tiers, considering neither have posted?

This question screams:

"I read your post in full, I analyzed it, and I've observed an inconsistency! I am town!"

Kawso appears to be looking for opportunities to blend in.

Scum!

A much more natural town response, I'd wager, is this one:

What the fuck is this shit

Alright then
Tryhard
Probably Town tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Thirteen times three

~T

This means 39

[Gamma Emerald]

But apparently you weren't perturbed by my vote until i said you were so \_O_/

~T

Thinking SPD is town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

My post was joke analysis to a joke post haha

Balki seems to be taking this pressure quite defensively, which could either mean scum/ PR. I don't see him being vanilla. Personally I can't say either, as in the game I played with him, he was rarely questioned.

Seems like we're still in the gradual stages of switching from Joking random voting to proper discussion, so I'd like to see some opinions on some of the other people not being discussed heavily

VOTE: Kawso
This can die. You don't nonchalantly point out possible PRs like that. Last person to point one out in a game I was in (Alisae) was right and got the Doctor dead.

[Gamma Emerald]

Post 19 looks like Scum Kawso to me. Kawso expresses an over-eagerness to appear townie by taking an obvious joke post too seriously and responding with a townie-looking question:

Why is someone like Balki & someone like Flubber in different tiers, considering neither have posted?

This question screams:

"I read your post in full, I analyzed it, and I've observed an inconsistency! I am town!"

Kawso appears to be looking for opportunities to blend in.

Scum!

A much more natural town response, I'd wager, is this one:

What the fuck is this shit

Alright then
Tryhard
Probably Town tbh

dope. what makes this town tryhard and not scum tryhard??

1) the level of analysis
2) the fact he basically pulled what Kawso did: suggests not giving a f about that

[Gamma Emerald]

This can die. You don't nonchalantly point out possible PRs like that. Last person to point one out in a game I was in (Alisae) was right and got the Doctor dead.

Are you voting Kawso because you think he's bad town or because you think he's scum? Do you think scum would be so cavalier?

When Alisae pointed out a PR tell, was Alisae town or scum?

Alisae just said "this guy is PR". He was Town, but was acting like hammered scum. For here, I feel Town would actually care about keeping PRs hidden.

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I mean that was the I became PROD KING

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also UNVOTE:

I don't feel a need to keep a vote on the hydra currently

Why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

Welcome to Open 690: Kill All Townies!

You are a Mafia Godfather.

Your partners are {redacted}, who is a Mafia Goon, and {redacted}, who is a Mafia Doctor.

Abilities:
-During the day phase, you may vote and post as normal.
-If investigated by a Cop, you will not return as a member of the mafia.

-You share a factional PT, located {redacted}, where you may talk during each night.
-You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill.

no day chat only night chat if im interpreting correctly

Afgvuycvjfv)?ghdch
This made me think a throw just happened
Please don't c/p entire example pms, just relevant parts

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Welcome to Open 690: Kill All Townies!

You are a Mafia Godfather.

Your partners are {redacted}, who is a Mafia Goon, and {redacted}, who is a Mafia Doctor.

Abilities:
-During the day phase, you may vote and post as normal.
-If investigated by a Cop, you will not return as a member of the mafia.

-You share a factional PT, located {redacted}, where you may talk during each night.
-You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill.

no day chat only night chat if im interpreting correctly

ECHO!
YOU'RE CLAIMING WRONG!
THIS IS HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SCUMCLAIM.

Welcome to Open 690: Kill All Townies!

You are a

Mafia Godfather

.

Your partners are

Someone

, who is a

Mafia Goon

, and

Someone

, who is a

Mafia Doctor

.

Abilities:

-During the day phase, you may vote and post as normal.
-If investigated by a Cop, you will not return as a member of the mafia.

-You share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during each night.
-You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill.

Win Condition:

You win when all non-mafia players have been eliminated and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive.

-Ali

Uuuuunghguuuuuh

[Gamma Emerald]

@A50, so yeah, my reads currently are...

Town Leans
- Sesq (I'll be surprised if she's scum).
- Kawso (The wagon is just too easy).

Neutral-Town: (Or just hope are town)
- Gamma Emerald
- Almost50

Scum Lean/Reads:
- GameNBurger (See next)
- Balki B (I think at least one of GameNBurger and Balki B are scum. Both could be scum vs scum, but this is more than likely not a town vs town scenario).
- Siblings Pet Doggo (Just gut and the frustration that he has a single vote on him).

The rest are Neutral. But remember we're looking for 6 scum and trying to avoid hitting cop, seer or vig. So in all honesty I don't got 100% solid reads right now (pg 10 and all), but even sheeping a scum read has the chance of flipping scum of the opposite faction.

Explain ur read on me
Also 11 pages

cri

[Gamma Emerald]

Good job.
Now let me hardpush CommKnight.

CommKnight is playing unusually passive rigbht now, in Bill Wurtz and in Timeshift there was more too him starting out. Here there's nothing
It's like he's a fucking ghost. He's not aggressive, he's cautious, and here he feels completely absent from the game.
Everyone of his posts reads to me as "Investigate me"

Posts like 11 and 13 read to me as "Yeah yeah, whatever, right now I'm trying to be helpful while not really adding anything to the game on page 1." I mean like yeah, it's page 1, but when I read those posts, they read to me as if he doesn't actually care about them. It reads fake.

His Game vote is just way too passive from him for my liking, and from town!Comm I would expect more from that.

245 I feel like Comm is holding himself back here, and that doesn't happen you roll town. Same complaint about 251 and 252. I explain more about it in 259

249 just straight up, does not add anything to the game.

-Ali

I can see this
But can you link a few of his towniest posts from Wurtz/Timeshift?

[Gamma Emerald]

For chapter 6 of my forthcoming mafia textbook:

"What we see above is an excellent example of Scum CommKnight not acting with the indignation of the wrongly accused. In 263 he laughs it off. Then "seriously though," he asserts something about his meta. Then in 264 he acts arrogant while suggesting that he's just unreadable cause he's just so good. Then at 267 he starts super sarcastic.

No indignation.

Laugh it off. "Seriously though." Arrogance. Sarcasm.

The dance of the scumlord."

This reads fake and forced, and I feel it is scummy

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The PR comment was admittedly a result of me rushing to get a post in & provide worthwhile content. I said it, as I wasn't sure of your alignment, and thus wanted people to stop fully scumreading you. Looking back, I'd have worded it differently as to not imply you may be a PR.


I'm pretty new, but would i be so obvious as to mark myself like that as scum?

I think this is fair.
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

We got him! We got him!

Ewww
VOTE: Balki B

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Oh. He scumclaimed.

Where?

[Gamma Emerald]

Feel free to ask me questions and I will stop being a lazy piece of shit later cause I was supposed to start something 30 minutes ago.

Can you weigh in on the Comm wagonif you haven't already?

[Gamma Emerald]

Preliminary reads:

No STRONG TRs
Town Leans on: CommKnight, Kawso, Flubbernugget
Null/Town: beeboy, Balki B
Null: Bellaphant, Tenshii, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger, EchoVision
Scum Leans: Gamma Emerald, Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, Siblings Pet Doggo, DeltaW

Can lynch any of the bottom six

Explain most of these please
Especially your scumreads

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: comm Knight

Fast wagon is ew but still scum

Eeeck

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ali, who else is scum? You're deathtunneling me but don't realize there's 5 other (really 6, since I'm town) out there and you're fine with this poor meta case.

You can't even say it's not a grudge. You're holding a grudge over from another game into this one and letting it cloud your judgement on the current wagon.

You bring that game in here I PL you

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously??

UNVOTE:

I thought it was hammer.

I guess I'll hammer you later then.

What the hell

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

VOTE: Sibbling Pet Doggo

Okay then

Willing to vote Game

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't get me wrong you're idiotically reckless

I tend to be idiotically reckless a lot so yeah, I'll own up to this.

@Gamma

- Why are you voting during your catchup?

Because I know he isn't close to lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Game.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, read my reasoning for why I did that?

And as scum, why would I even back off like that?
-Ali

Mainly Because i read your post and thats such a bullshit move given the multiball setup as Almost50 has pointed out

And i havent played in like 4 years but I seriously doubt meta has changed so drastically that fake claiming as town is all of a sudden an acceptable play in any standard

Meet RadiantCowbells: viewtopic.php?p=9104916#p9104916

That game he was hydraing with Titus.

Scum!Ari fakeclaims a 1-shot BP as scum getting wagoned.
They fake a CC.

The idea is not completely out of possibility.

tbh, I'm not even thinking at all from the viewpoints Almost is bringing up.
-Ali

That was os bg if that was the game I think it was

[Gamma Emerald]

How could you even scumread me this game? My lines are beautiful.

Lol ur turible

[Gamma Emerald]

And they don't stop coming

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VOTE: GamenBurger
Better than vanity wagoning imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

VOTE: Sibbling Pet Doggo

Okay then

This vote is terrible. It's easy and low accountability. Also you just saw the possibility the CC was fake and are still voting when that is the case?

[Gamma Emerald]

That's why I scumread it
Policy votes are easy to hide behind as scum. What do you think of the rest of their content?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why MM4?

[Gamma Emerald]

And the cop would have every incentive to do so given that the wolves will doctor you forever if you come out

In fact now that I think about it thats a bit broken balancing wise if both cop and seer just claim at the beginning and both mobs will simply protect the opposiing IDing role

I mean essentially Comm is gonna make it to end game now as long as the mob doesnt mannage to pop the wolf doctor

I think this is wrong. Wolves won't necessarily protect Cop. Cop is possibly good for them cause he finds Mafia, but bad for them in that he gives town a clear. Same things for Seer and Mafia. Why do Wolves protect Cop rather than protecting their own? Protecting their own is much more important.

Not quite
Godfather

[Gamma Emerald]

I say seer comes out d2

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Delta
iirc he seems to get scumread quite a bit as Town

[Gamma Emerald]

I can vote Delta
Game seems to not be really scumhunting honestly imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I think my feelings on Game are getting cold
VOTE: Delta but will likely revisit GNB

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok that helps 0 A50

[Gamma Emerald]

How much longer are we going to dwell about this Cop/No Cop thing?? Is this the focal point of the whole game?? Like, GET OVER IT!. Let's SCUM HUNT.

My updated lynch pool is: Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki B, Tenshii

If I had to rank them, I'd say I'm more confident in my scum reads on Sesq & Balki. Pick one of the two to vote and let's form some serious wagons.

How did I leave the lynch pool?

[Gamma Emerald]

ugh

Can you form a sentence?

[Gamma Emerald]

I really wanna flip Delta now
(╯°Д°）╯︵ /(.□ . \)

[Gamma Emerald]

Because Delta seems to be grandstanding

[Gamma Emerald]

I could do echo, he's been pinging me

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll choose who we lynch soon. I haven't decided yet. But I want to choose.

No. You don't get to pick. No one does. Some people may have more sway but no one picks. You don't even have extra sway. Tempted to vote you for this attempt to yank control out of everyone's hands.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because Delta seems to be grandstanding

excuse me sir what is grand standing if ya don't mind me askin

Talking a big game but doing JACK SHIT

[Gamma Emerald]

Because Delta seems to be grandstanding

excuse me sir what is grand standing if ya don't mind me askin

appealing to the general populace
(i am very proficient in googling)

Well then I used the wrong word

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you two stop this, separate arguments is anti-town, all I see is 2 fuckwits arguing over a point made several pages ago and escalating it so which ever of you is scum can use it as material for your wagon later.

are you referring to this post for your "talk's a big game"?

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

i know how to read town frog. it's him not being here that worries me, although i know he has poker shit this w/e? like, trans and frog and ali just obv!towned it in a game with me and i'm not etting the same vibes.

hahaha shitty pushes do that to me when i'm town.

because i like the confidence? it feels genuine, not the forced way scum do it.

@gamma, that post was, and still is, gross.

The post by Delta or something else

[Gamma Emerald]

So, nobody wants to vote Balki? Fine.

VOTE: Delta

Id hit that

[Gamma Emerald]

So a few things...

Hawk, havingfitz & beeboy are all 2+ days without a post! Each has 4 or 5 posts at that! I could settle for lynching them if they do not get their ass in gear.

TR: A50, Gamma, Tenshii & Town lean on Mario.
Not willing to lynch TODAY (If I don't capitalize that, some might miss that word): Siblings, Kawso, or Sesq.
Willing to lynch majorly and WILL hammer if at L1: GameNBurger, DeltaW, Balki Bm EchoVsion.

Of course I'd say with 9 days left, I'd give Hawk, fitz and beeboy two more days before I rip into all three of them for being trash this game.

This feels like town Comm

[Gamma Emerald]

Like
Even beyond the claim it's Town Comm

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: MARIAF

FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
DO NOT START THIS JOKE AGAIN I WILL END YOU

What joke is this
Guessing Transcend posted that

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm alright
FYI Sibs and Comm are Town
Delta is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Delta seems to be trying to look Town while he's not doing anything
Also
He's tojam
So that's extra reason to hammer him

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

I figure it is T for most of the recent ones

[Gamma Emerald]

AAAAA
I SEE IT

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm always down for lynching Tenshii

[Gamma Emerald]

Wtf
Am I playing the right game

[Gamma Emerald]

That explains shit

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll choose who we lynch soon. I haven't decided yet. But I want to choose.

^ this is what I'm waiting for

There's no fucking way this happens. Balki isn't anywhere close to having the crowd needed for this

[Gamma Emerald]

Tenshii on page 38 is just "discredit everyone"

[Gamma Emerald]

Crowd should be cred but it works

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys
I'm secretly a doublevoter
I just can't vote the same guy twice
VOTE: Tenshii
VOTE: DeltaW

[Gamma Emerald]

How about you say something that actually matters

[Gamma Emerald]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Well hello there Ali
Magikarp is actually quite motionful

[Gamma Emerald]

Not anytime soon
Next up is Gyarados

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Ali you've come a long way now
I remember when you were like "whats a pokeman"

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you quote some Sun Tzu again pl0x for old times sake

[Gamma Emerald]

Anything meaningful you wish to say?

[Gamma Emerald]

There were 150 Pokémon and then there was shit

Damn genwunners
FYI while I like chikorita as a cute starter I think my fave starter is oshawott
So Shannon is totally awesome for me

[Gamma Emerald]

I like gen 4 the most when it comes to interesting Pokémon

[Gamma Emerald]

Will you vote if I can do it

[Gamma Emerald]

AAAAAAA TIMER

[Gamma Emerald]

Delta you got hammered

[Gamma Emerald]

Yoooo
Comm results?

[Gamma Emerald]

"How do I be towny" is what I get out of Balki B
VOTE: Balki B

[Gamma Emerald]

Um the alpha wolf wasn't gunning for him

[Gamma Emerald]

Better question is why you expect WhyMafia to be voting during their catch up.
-Ali

That's a null factor imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I see why Ali was able to soulread Grey

[Gamma Emerald]

Uuuuhh you were basically a sheep there, plus since we got a scumflip with Delta wahoning Tenshii is not the big plan today. It can happen but it's not locked like it would be if Delta flipped Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was @Maria

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Tenshii

stop

Though it's the same for you too.

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you manage that level of fuckup

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously
Don't you use separate browsers for separate accounts?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah
But I'm p sure Transcend is the one that fucked up
The thing that baffles me is he was using the hydra earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

THIS GAME NEEDS MOAR CHIKORITA AVATARS!!!

It's a sea of green already

In a yellow submarine?

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone on my wagon can go die in a hole. Flubber's hammer doesn't mean shit because as mafia it's his best play to make considering there isn't any other decent place to put his vote.

VOTE: EchoVision

Ribbit Ribbit

says this about flubber...votes echo

Also -- flubber's hammer was towny

WOOLY SHEEP PICTURES IF YOU SHEEP ME ON TENSHII

K cool but we're prob not lynching Delta voters today

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I can vote that
But not today

[Gamma Emerald]

K cool
Actually since we have a safe cop rn I'm more inclined to wolf hunt
Actually no that's stupid what if we lynch the wolf doc
I'd rather cripple the mafia a bit more I guess
Might have to check the OP for something

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I can vote that
But not today

why not today?

what does today have to do with anything

I was wanting to mafia hunt

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod can a mafia or werewolf doctor use their protect and kill together in a night?

[Gamma Emerald]

frog-

do you think maf!tenshii would acquiesce to voting his godfather like that?

i really think he'd candy-coat his vote a bit more

~T

My name is Gamma Emerald
You stole my page top
Prepare to dance

[Gamma Emerald]

MFW no one gets a really clever Beatles reference

[Gamma Emerald]

fair nuff

still i'd rather lynch balki

i've yet to misread tenshii on this site

Which head is this

[Gamma Emerald]

Um we have the WW doc

[Gamma Emerald]

My point is until WW doc dies we have a possibility to prevent mafia from killing the cop. Therefore it's not as scummy as you think.
Tbh I think it's more wolfy since it could possibly lead to a foolish seer claiming their result and outing themselves before they should.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your wagon is going up fast because...

1.) You're mafia, Werewolves want you dead as well.

2.) Tenshii is probably Werewolf, it's in my interest to keep both Werewolves alive today so the Doc is more inclined to protect me to find mafia for him before mafia kill both of them or the Seer outs them.

3.) With only two mafia left, your buddy is probably voting Tenshii right now.

4.) The "resistance" to your wagon is the people avoiding voting you to vote Tenshii for just as naked votes (which you don't ask for explanations on).

So nah, I'm good with killing you. I'll find your buddy tonight.

that new avatar is terrifying

[Gamma Emerald]

What happens when the Seer is your target?

Control the check = Turning the nightkills into lynches.

If the Seer got checked then I'm sorry that the Seer is garbage enough to get scumread enough.

Ignoring this worst case scenario possibility, this is the best plan to go for.

I say if seer get chosen they pick MariaR to check that night to cross-reference

[Gamma Emerald]

This setup is now Follow The Cop because the only real counterplay had is the Godfather and CC'ing.

CC'ing is unviable and Godfather are obviously dead.

Unless the scum decide to say "fuck it" and drop the idea of protecting town invests

[Gamma Emerald]

indeed

[Gamma Emerald]

Balki you ruined our glorious pae of pokes and pod

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the rationale for Cop/Seer to check Sesq and not me? I am

MOST SUSPICIOUS

! I have the biggest wagon.

Because we're lynching you today most likely

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we just quicklynch Balki

[Gamma Emerald]

Comm flipped town and Ali got vigged
(commknight claimed cop)

Ali is SPD dude

[Gamma Emerald]

1) You wee off the Delta wagon making you likely mafia
2) As I said your response to the initial votes was "how do I be towny" which is a scummy response because it suggests scum wanting to know how to correct course
3) You've been extremely defensive today

[Gamma Emerald]

1) You wee off the Delta wagon making you likely mafia
2) As I said your response to the initial votes was "how do I be towny" which is a scummy response because it suggests scum wanting to know how to correct course
3) You've been extremely defensive today

I mean...what the fuck? I'm at L-1 less than 24 hours into the day. I'm about to be lynched for dumb reasons, and nobody is making anyone accountable.

Why is being defensive in these circumstances alignment indicative? In your experience, town don't defend themselves or demand people to state their reasons for lynching them?

You are focusing on defense rather than scumhunting

[Gamma Emerald]

You should at least try to scumhunt if you are town, help direct us after your lynch happens

[Gamma Emerald]

yesterday was a fast wagon and we got scum

thats not solid logic

(1) One counterexample doesn't make a principle untrue.
(2) But D1 is not a good counterexample. D1 was not fast. It went more than a week. We had a first wagon on CommKnight. We had lots of cases and reactions. Several cases on Tenshii, and a successful wagon on Delta.

We're like 20 hours into today and I'm at L-1. Someone's about to hammer and say something like "Balki's just super scummy," and that will be our sorry Day 2. And everyone on the wagon right now -- you bear just as much blame as the person who hammers.

I mean you have a cw of Tenshii for what should be even more ??? reasons to you today

[Gamma Emerald]

You're complaining about your wagon being unexplained but it was the same for Tenshii

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I was just leveling with you Balki but if you're gonna deflect then I won't even try

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I was just leveling with you Balki but if you're gonna deflect then I won't even try

Deflect? I am responding directly and clearly.

Yes, you were leveling with me that my wagon is baseless and awfully fast. I agree.

What are you going to do about it?

I was trying to appeal to you by saying "you think this, well I think this about that, what do you think about that?"

[Gamma Emerald]

@MOD: Since we have two lynches today, do we get the first flip immediately after the hammer or do we have to wait until there are two hammers?

No we have 1 since one town died in the night

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bella

Why
I'm baffled by this

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry for not posting just reading granddad got into hospital it's quarter to one and I'm tired to do a proper message but

What's a cw?

cw = counterwagon btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Balki still has his vote on me

Corrected. Thank you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tenshii is wagon hopping trying to counter wagon for Balki

[Gamma Emerald]

the fact that you all are SO PARANOID about a bella lynch even tho she has only 2 votes

is extremely telling

what's to lose?

No we're not

[Gamma Emerald]

Quote it then.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bella

Why
I'm baffled by this

stop playing games with me.

The fuck?
I expressed confusion at a naked vote that did nothing to establish a bigger wagon since Bella was the same place as me for votes. I ain't paranoid about shit.
Once Balki flips scum I'm tunneling you tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Balki

@Balki, I am V/LA until Sunday, so if you want to live through today, my suggestion is, ISO A50. Find out WHY he was killed. Who was he really looking into. Quote it. Bold it. Figure out that puzzle for town.

Um I'd suggest he not since the wolves killed him
Also he could have just been too towny

[Gamma Emerald]

I will lock a self vote tomorrow if Balki flips scum.

Don't.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah now they're gonna kill you to frame me, sweetness

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would they kill me

[Gamma Emerald]

A50 was surely a super low Information kill? Comm suggesting there was a lot in his iso that'd be helpful seems like a reach.

This p much what I said but worse since it feels like ti has a discrediting tone

[Gamma Emerald]

Bella reads to be discrediting A50's whole ISO

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh
I'll look over Flubbucket a bit, if I don't care for his ISO I'll vote him

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah Flubbernugget's ISO is mostly meh with one little ralph moment
VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Gamma Emerald]

He had a shitty CommKnight vote too

[Gamma Emerald]

I read Almost50's ISO. Frankly, it's not good for those of us rooting for Balki's survival today. If anyone fearkilled Almost50 for having correct reads, it is Balki or Sesq. Almost was very focused on those 2.

Almost gives his first reads list at 367, with scum leans on "Gamma Emerald, Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, Siblings Pet Doggo, DeltaW"

But following the Cop CC episode and Balki's skepticism about Comm's claim, Almost50 came out hard against Balki at 596.

At 620, Almost50 updated his reads, with a lynch pool of "Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki, Tenshii," but most confidence in scum reads on Balki and Sesq.

At 957, Almost50 provides some meta on Sesq, which essentially dispelled the notion that Sesq is lynchbait because Sesq has drifted on in games before by doing nothing.

Bottom Line

: Almost50's reads coalesced down to "Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki, Tenshii," but his biggest pushes and most confidence were in his reads on Balki and Sesq

A couple of other notes

: I'd be really surprised if the Vig killed Almost50. Upon reading his ISO, he just comes across as very townie. Firm positions, votes and pushes with intention and effort, collaboration with town reads, no fear. I haven't looked back to see who was scum reading Almost50, but I don't recall serious pushes in that direction. To me, it seems like the most likely reason for this kill is that Almost50 appeared very townie, with a lot of credibility, and ability to lead a lynch.

That said, I can already hear Comm coming at me with "but this is multi-ball, scum are aiming at each other!" Maybe...I don't know. I'd say that if anyone was hunting for strong town on N1, it was WWs, after mafia lost Godfather. So my best explanation is that WWs killed Almost50. I know I am town, so this somewhat implicates Sesq as being a WW in my eyes. But, in my albeit limited experience, I think you get in trouble assuming that the NKs scumread killed because someone was scumreading them.

Still, given what I saw in Almost50's ISO, my best read of the moment is that

Sesq is a WW

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VOTE: Sesq

Explain the kills as they sit with the Vig targeting A50
I'll wait.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would mafia not kill the cop

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Also MarioManiac earned an achievement

[ ] [10] The New Wave
**Join or start an avatar fad in one of your games. (at least five people)

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What happened to Kawso being obvtown

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Hammered Delta at 1136 with no explanation, at a time when votes were Delta (8), Tenshii (5) and Delta was looking pretty inevitable.

How does that make him scum? Town quickhammer too, you know.

Could have just been a cred hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

Could have just been a cred hammer

Then you're pigeonholing him into Mafia? Because as WW he wouldn't know if Delta would flip mafia.

Not sure I agree with that.

I mean yeah that's not quite pigeonholing
He could be WW but he makes more sense as mafia
so explaining from that perspective is alright to me

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* * * Shameless pandering * * *

That's awesome

[Gamma Emerald]

Please unvote me I don't like it

Also on flubber, It seems like newbie sheeping... but he's been here for 3 years

So?

[Gamma Emerald]

[chikorita]Gamma, you are the next target, please change your avi peacefully.[/chikorita]

Sure
but it will soon change the bayleef/meganium

[Gamma Emerald]

I did it

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If you read me as scum I kinda have to be a WW since I hard pushed Delta

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Siblings why did you leave our Chikorita cult

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Siblings why did you leave our Chikorita cult

Because I don't know what Chikorita is and it's annoying me.

Dammit
I'm guessing this is either Transcend or Ali

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K that's T
Frog is good about tagging his posts

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Maria isn't confirmed inno btw

Ew
Yeah I agree Kawso is p bad
Like, somewhat scummy bad

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW the Chikorita cult wins this game since it is 8 players now gg no re

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Willing to vote Sesq

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How
Like the only okay scumread there imo is Tenshii

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Tenshii
Doing what Transcend should have done.

[Gamma Emerald]

that was a SPD post man

[Gamma Emerald]

SPD =

S

iblings

P

et

D

oggo

[Gamma Emerald]

Pg 54

Scum

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

But discard meta is awesome

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Please unvote me I don't like it

Also on flubber, It seems like newbie sheeping... but he's been here for 3 years

Gosh...easy with the all caps.

All the caps?

only "ZERO" was in all caps

if that ANNOYED you try playing with WOLVERINE... MARIO knows what i'm TALKING about

Me too!
But please don't talk about ongoing games outside of designated channels.

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EchoVision whiteknighting is a thing

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I've always been sober
Well I've had alcohol but I've never been drunk

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Dunn
It's going well
Are you mafia
Are you WW too but eh

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No
I'm asking since last Mafia and WW game I played with you you were mafia and I wanted to be funny

[Gamma Emerald]

Possibly
Wanna stay on Tenshii for a but longer

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm mocking someone

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VOTE: Tenshii
Doing what Transcend should have done.

[Gamma Emerald]

NEXT TIME
DONT VOTE "OBVTOWN"

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Don't think I've ever lolhammered as Town
Selfhammered a couple times I think
But you're guilty of that too so
I think I've done bad hammers on Showdown mafia but I can't check since no logs
Probably on EpicMafia several times

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Flubbernugget
That's enough savagery.

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh Transcend is reminding me of PUPPER from vonflare's most bastard game
Only this time it's not tunneling me

[Gamma Emerald]

I was mean to Gamma like three games ago with him and he's had a habit of petty voting me since so I would lean towards Maria

3 games?
How far back is that?
There was 1905
1862 before that
wasn'r Open 658 the one before that?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was the last game we played together .-.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do Mafia CC you

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Siblings asked me to Belladive. I considered refusing, and screaming:

“what do I look like, a puppet?”

But then I just did it. Cause I am a puppet.

I'm glad I did it.

Bellaphant looks town

, and I would definitely not place a vote here today.

I really like 160, especially given Delta’s flip. Bella’s main point “Delta's post was weird, frustration without a clear come down, but implied one (why not both? or none?) would flip scum, but didn't follow this up,” just built on a point that others had already made. But I think Bella improved upon it clearly and crisply. This post also showed some interest in a Sesq vote and threw a little bit of shade at Flubber, which all makes sense to me from a town perspective. This post just generally reflects a view of the game that I shared at the time, and seems to come from a town place.

I also like Bellaphant’s reminder to Almost50 that they’ve played together before. Almost50 was relying on meta for many of his reads, and Bellaphant’s reminder was the kind of thing someone would do who has nothing to hide.

At 168, Bellaphant elaborates a bit on thinking that Game looks forced in his exchange with me. Looks sincere.

193 is a reasonable vote on Almost, given almost had only sheeped Sesq up to that point.

At 651, Bella lays down a vote on Delta to bring it to L-2. Lists no reasoning.

The lack of reasoning here is the one scummy thing I see in the whole ISO

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722, 731, and 742 are all chalk full of stances, and clear in their direction. Seems to be doing things with a purpose -- not just to look busy. Not shy about voicing opinion.

I like 1359, and I like the thought about making Sesq have to work as scum if her one scum read is confirmed town. Seems like the way town with a strong scumread thinks about those sorts of things.

Bottom Line: I see clear direction, purpose, conviction, and no fear.

Town

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Why does this post seem like it's ignoring multiball and that bella could be ww and vote mafia out

I have a guess

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a guess

I take it You also scumread Balki here?

Not sure
forgot where I left that one
BUt from the post Dunn quoted Balki could be WW

[Gamma Emerald]

I have

game
Balki
gamma/Maria(ish)

For scum

Any thoughts as to the alignment of these 4?

Seconding this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I think I can guess Flubber's team reads completely. Anyone wanna bet hammer on that?