Open 691: Jungle Republic (ENDGAME)

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: Dunkers ]/v]

How should one play around hydras? Like do you treat them like a normal player? Does it only really matter when u try to meta them? Never played with one so just wondering if I could have some guidelines.

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: Dunkers

How should one play around hydras? Like do you treat them like a normal player? Does it only really matter when u try to meta them? Never played with one so just wondering if I could have some guidelines.

fixed my quote tags

[NotTheRealPaul]

alright thanks for the wisdom

[NotTheRealPaul]

I think HM didnt knoe about Hydra PT's/didnt understand concept of hydra if im reading it right.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Unvote

Vote Almost50

Something's not right. Can't explain what.

Yup

VOTE: Almost50

[NotTheRealPaul]

Woah. We are scummy for voting off a gutread?

[NotTheRealPaul]

I agreed with tails this we had same read. "Something felt off" Is what I believe he said and I agree. You being the largest wagon made no difference.

[NotTheRealPaul]

I didnt like your bit with HM. Seemed quite obvious to me what he was confused about. You seemed to be paying attention to it to much.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Gut. diid you not read initially?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Lol didnt ping others cuz tone I guess? Its gut so not really much to explain./can explain.

I think its hilarious that you've cemented your view on me as anti-town based off a gut bote coming right out of RVS.

Anyway we need to get the game moving.

Thoughts on Almost50s reaction to the gut votes and our subsequent convo?

[NotTheRealPaul]

I don't have any problems with A50's posts/reactions, I'm kinda confused why he's getting votes actually. Would love to hear an explanation that isn't "gut"

Wont really get any as the other votes were RVS I believe.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Still like almost wagon the most. Dunkers is fine too the vote was crap.

[NotTheRealPaul]

titus vote brie with us

Why?

I am thinking Dunker is scum and he has just as much support while a last minute flashwagon is more likely to flip town. I also don't immediately recall anything that even dares suggest he should be wagoned.

he hasnt done enough to warrant a scumread IMO.

brie is a better vote

VOTE: brie

@wisdom why am I scum?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Anyway

VOTE: gen x

I can't blame you for not noticing, but the slot has been replaced and Gen X isn't with us anymore.

Also, why concentrate on Mafia when we have the chance to turn this into a nightless game if we correctly lynch the remaining WW??

nightless? I thought maf got NK once WW were gone

[NotTheRealPaul]

Nvm I was imagining stuff lol

Ya going after final WW is prob better.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Do we really need to argue who to go after? Right now if we lynch WW we get a 3v6 situation with no nightkill and if we lynch Mafia we get, at worst, a 1v2v5, assuming WW kills Town.
If projecting being a WW or a mafia onto someone helps identify them as scum, I'm all for it, but I don't think ignoring either faction is wise. Just lynch who you think is scum, be it Mafia or WW.

Sounds good!

Hypoing seer sounds good as well. Im on board wkth it.

Are non Seer give completely rando results?

[NotTheRealPaul]

okay nvm we arent hypoingbseer? I thought the point was if Seer dies we can atleast know some inno's without Seer outing themselves.

Dunkers what about my post pings you? So far ur voting reasons have been pretty shit but that seems to be your meta based on the newbie game we r in.

[NotTheRealPaul]

okay nvm we arent hypoingbseer? I thought the point was if Seer dies we can atleast know some inno's without Seer outing themselves.

Dunkers what about my post pings you? So far ur voting reasons have been pretty shit but that seems to be your meta based on the newbie game we r in.

We aren't doing that because it only tells us who isn't a werewolf doesn't discuss who is or isn't Mafia and only tells the werewolf who to kill. Waaay too many downsides.

alright.

@a50 im not in your lynchpool because you stopped scumreading me or because you dont think im WW? Just to clarify.

[NotTheRealPaul]

correct, dunker is towb and ntrp isnt

lolzz


@Dunkers u still havent answered my question

[NotTheRealPaul]

FTR im a newbie too. Can I get on of wisdom's special passes?

[NotTheRealPaul]

one*

[NotTheRealPaul]

no, youre scum

wow such logic

many reasons

much convinced

[NotTheRealPaul]

so we lynch paul if we want maf, should we still try and find the ww?

stop ignoring my question

[NotTheRealPaul]

so we lynch paul if we want maf, should we still try and find the ww?

no and no
We lynch the gen x slot, who will flip mafia

Agreed this reads newbscum role PM abandonment

can u explain this more? i skimmed over it first time and im confused as to what exactly u meant by it

[NotTheRealPaul]

When new players enter Mafia sites they tend to abandon it if they get a scum role PM and be reminded to play and/or just drop out altogether. They have a perception scum is unfun.

How come?

"They have perception scum is unfun"

@Mathblade What about Dunkers post makes u think he did this? Im not getting a disinterested vibe from him.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Gningham what exactly about Dunkers makes you think he is town? His avoidal of questions? His lack of reasoning?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Wowza

This just got interesting

So keep gin alive and vote to use NK as we see fit?

VOTE: Dunkers

[NotTheRealPaul]

Dare I ask for reasoning behind these votes?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Tryna figure out the reasoning behind these votes. Doesnt look like I'll get any lol.

Dunkers is my top scumread. I dont likr MMM either.

[NotTheRealPaul]

I'm not Seer I'm VT.

Same btw. Might as well since it seems im gonna be lynched :/

I wanna vig Dunkers or MMM

[NotTheRealPaul]

we can <3

i wouldnt be surprised if wisdom is scum. is thos wisdom's meta?

also gim where the hell do u get dunkers as town?

I swear all my questions are being ignored

[NotTheRealPaul]

do tell us why i would be scum if ntrp isnt

bcuz we say so

[NotTheRealPaul]

Someone explain why dunkers is town?

[NotTheRealPaul]

gingham, any thoughts on who's mafia?

The reads list I made earlier were in fact my real reads. My reasons were pretty shit, but it's all I had. I'd say Paul is my best scum read.

[NotTheRealPaul]

his readlist has dunker as town. multiquote failed me

[NotTheRealPaul]

correct, dunker is towb and ntrp isnt

[NotTheRealPaul]

a+ shading

idk what shading is

[NotTheRealPaul]

ntrp, vedith and the third is probably math

ur reads are shit. almost has a point if I get mislynched its 4:4.

VOTE: gingham

Almost why is dunkers in ur town slot?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Pretty aure scum is in wisdom, mmm, wisdom, dunkers

[NotTheRealPaul]

above assuming gingham lynched today

[NotTheRealPaul]

Pretty sure ging isnt the other WW. Im guessing maf. Gen X was the first to call out brie I think. Said aomeyhing like: The brie just claimed scum and then voted.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Pretty aure scum is in wisdom, mmm, wisdom, dunkers

replace one wisdom with math

@wisdom should i be worried? if town shoots me I'll laugh my ass off.

I'd honestly love to work with u but since u dont seem to be one of the discussiony types, then it doesnt look like this'll work.

[NotTheRealPaul]

ntrp, vedith and the third is probably math

ur reads are shit. almost has a point if I get mislynched its 4:4.

VOTE: gingham

Almost why is dunkers in ur town slot?

Because I'm town and ur not.
I'm in favor of lynching Paul, he's trying so hard to push a mislynch on me and it's not going to happen.
Vigging vedith seems fine too
VOTE: nottherealpaul

u keep avoiding my questions. if u coulda answered maybe I wouldnt suspect u but ur not even trying to work with me.

also u know ur already voting me so ur vote here is useless....

[NotTheRealPaul]

I'm back! If you're lucky, I'll post some content tonight. Anyone wanna say something to me?

what do you think of me, dunkers, and wisdom?

do u belive gin's ww claim? why or why not?

[NotTheRealPaul]

he claims ww gains towns trust (kinda)and lets maf get a say in ww shot.

A better question would be do u see gin/gen x as a viable partner for brie?

[NotTheRealPaul]

@MMM PoE. Although looking back im already questioning some. I was rlly pissed at wisdom yesterday at that mighta influenced things

[NotTheRealPaul]

lol sprry in advance then bins sometimes I post a thought then something comes to me and then i have to ebwop and suddenly ive pisted 5+ in a row

[NotTheRealPaul]

if vedith scum wisdom scum. because scum!vedith wouldnt have said all the stuff about him flipping red meaning wisdom is clear.

side note: will I ever get an explanation for the SR on me?

wisdom didnt u SR math? what changed?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Tempted to let myself be lynched just to show wisdom can be wrong

I still dunno why ppl are voting me. I see "ntrp is scummy" but I see no why yet. *shrugs*

[NotTheRealPaul]

when i scumread him before i was relly annoyed/mad with him so it was just a dumb read

I mean so far he has been right about the wolves to gj to him but until hr catches maf im relucant to put him from leantown to strong town.

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: math

why the vote change? does it worry u at all that one of ur scumreads immediately voted the other today?

@vedith idk i dont really remember much for them off the top of my head. Id say null for now. Considering wisdom's playstyle i have next to no idea what he is thinking so IDK why he scumreads them. So Id have to see a flip before I said anything about them relating specifically to wisdom Sring them and me Leantown/null on wisdom.

@math im waiting for an actual case. So far Ive seen nothing but naked votes and Id love to know wtf im supposed to defend myself against

[NotTheRealPaul]

@almost alrighg I'll trust u. no more sheeping wisdom. Can you tell me why exactly math is scum?

pedit: not a fan of meta arguments. atleast not on their own.

pedit #2: agreed with mmm. not opposed to math but i wanna hear their case on me and see what they have to say to almost.

[NotTheRealPaul]

I'll hammer math if you guys need me too.

bruh we only halfway thru the day (i think) calm dafuq down. math hasnt even defended yet.

[NotTheRealPaul]

@vedith ang defence. give him a chance to respond was my thinking.

[NotTheRealPaul]

@vedith ang defence. give him a chance to respond was my thinking.

Is there a response for you to think of them as town?
If Math goes "Im VT, Scum are voting me then What?

thats a shit defence so id be fine with hammer.

If he posts a good defence then I might be convinced of his towniness.

I simply thought dunkers was moving too fast

[NotTheRealPaul]

Typed the anove b4 reading past Vedith's post

[NotTheRealPaul]

@math regarding almost and the gutread. Well shit there isnt anything to say here bcuz it literally was a gutread. Didnt like the way he interacted with HM.

As far as dunkers Ive given up on that. He is barely active and no point wasting anymore time on that shit. I still dont like dunkers play so far but there is zero momentum for any dunkers wagon so why let my vote be wasted there all day.

At first I believed the wolf claim. Then I went back and looked as I had remembered Gen x being first to call out brie. Almost (I think. it was almost) said something about gin being mafia trying not to get lynched and this way also kinda helping real wolf who was definetly not gonna cc that. So at that point I agreed with that. Either way I woulda pushed for his lynch as the other wagons were shit IMO.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Ya now our votes tell u nothing lol,

Whats the Bines case and whats the MMM case?

[NotTheRealPaul]

FINALLY ssomeone sees dunkers.

what happened to math tho?

[NotTheRealPaul]

That was fior wisdom. Like what happened to his Math SR?

IDK ur meta so have no clue what it would look like to change it

[NotTheRealPaul]

dunkers try again

VOTE: Dunkers

Bins what exactly have I done to give u town vibes?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Lol dunkers. Keep spewing bullshit.

I never defended math. I said give him a chance to defend. More discussion generally helps town.

Also the no reasoning is so fucking hypocritical because I asked u multiple times why u voted me and u ignored me every fucking time.

pedit: ur defense is shit and u need to be roped

[NotTheRealPaul]

Also did anyone else not like bins reads? Like not disagree but just get a faked vibe from them?

Like her reads all seem o be tonal/subjective. Like based on vibes not on what people have done. Something ez for maf to fake.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Math explain scum!bins or scum!mmm to me rn im sold

I think im only down to lynch dunkers atm but im ready to be persuaded to the others

[NotTheRealPaul]

Bins what exactly have I done to give u town vibes?

Bins

[NotTheRealPaul]

i still want dunkers lynched but I'll comprimise and vote bins

pedit: he is ignoring everything addressed to him essentially. He is trying to strongarm a lynch on two players who were once scumread and are now townread/null. Either he has too muxh confidence in his ability/weight or this is some desperation shit.

[NotTheRealPaul]

@NTRP - your reaction to your wagon seemed town to me and the first posts I read when I entered the game were yours and those also seemed town to me

don't question my townread on you I don't like when people throw that q out

Was checking to make sure their was some substance behind it. I didnt like ur readlist because it seemed fake/manufactered with little reason.

i still want dunkers lynched but I'll comprimise and vote bins

pedit: he is ignoring everything addressed to him essentially. He is trying to strongarm a lynch on two players who were once scumread and are now townread/null. Either he has too muxh confidence in his ability/weight or this is some desperation shit.

or maybe you are scum and i'm right.

LOL. much convinced. amazing argument. 10/10 would win everytime

[NotTheRealPaul]

Ugh wisdom ur being a dick.

@almost maaah. I choose dunkers

[NotTheRealPaul]

BUT I WANNA LYNCH DUNKERS


Tbh IDK. Bins case doesnt make sense.

Math I guess. I dont like that dunkers is voting him though.

Reexplain bins to me

[NotTheRealPaul]

Lol. Im keeping my vote on u unltil im convinced bins is scum. I doubt I'll go to math unless something else comes up.

[NotTheRealPaul]

I wont go on math bcuz u wanna vote him and ur scum.

[NotTheRealPaul]

what if i was scum bussing my partner? then would you vote math?
i'm not actually scum, it's just a possible scenario you should've considered, except you didn't consider it because you know i'm town and you and math are scum buddies. you just immediately made up an excuse to not vote him that seemed to make sense, except it had a flaw. this is why i think u and math r scumbuddies.

lemme take one out of the dunker handbook and just ignore this till it goes away

[NotTheRealPaul]

almost wtf are you doing forcing a 1v1? We have no guarantee scum's in there

WAIT IS WISDOM ADMITTING ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS COULD BE WRONG

@dunkers it was sarcasm since u avoided a question of mine for a solid week and have yet to even fucking acknowledge it. How out of touch with this game are u?

[NotTheRealPaul]

okay nvm we arent hypoingbseer? I thought the point was if Seer dies we can atleast know some inno's without Seer outing themselves.

Dunkers what about my post pings you? So far ur voting reasons have been pretty shit but that seems to be your meta based on the newbie game we r in.

its old asf so it doesnt matter but the salt is still very real

[NotTheRealPaul]

it being ur answer to it

[NotTheRealPaul]

oops that was a fail. it as in ur answer to my question

[NotTheRealPaul]

btw almost since ur so obsessed with 1v1s i think u may have found one in me and dunkers lol. How r u reading this exchange?

Wisdom u should join me and lynch Dunkers as last I checked he was on of ur SRs

[NotTheRealPaul]

But u have to lynch dunkers with me tommorrow

VOTE: Bins

Lol me thinking wisdom will ever listen to le noob that is me

[NotTheRealPaul]

Lol this is funny af.

Honestly I wish I wasnt part of the dunkers/me thing so I could grab popcorn and watch this shit.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Can we lynch dunkers? Literally he is jumping from L-1 wagon to l-1 wagon tryna get an ez hammer.

I'll lymch in [dunkers, bin]

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: Dunkers VOTE:

Dunkers, Bins, MM?

Dunkers hasnt coted bins despite him beibg a big wagon.

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: Dunkers

Dunkers, Bins, MM?

Dunkers hasnt coted bins despite him beibg a big wagon.

Fixed vote tags

[NotTheRealPaul]

You don't put someone you're leaning Town on @ L-1 juts to see who might hammer

nah I can see it. Made sense to me.

Alright Wisdom, MMM it is.

VOTE: MMM

[NotTheRealPaul]

Hahahahahha

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: dunkers

[NotTheRealPaul]

ISO dunkers u'll see

[NotTheRealPaul]

I'll vote between {dunkers, bin}

[NotTheRealPaul]

Holy crap that moved fast.

ah well I atill think dunkers is scum so lynching him is fine.

Still...that was hella quick. Math is prob town but the way they moved to just intent. IDK. Dunkers isnt even trying to defend which reassures me because I feel like town!dunkers would actually try.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Im not seeing math. bins sure...

what happened to dunkers tho? yesterday he was newbscum.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Wisdom why would u vote dunkers if u dont think he is in final trio.

Dunkers why arent u making even an attempt to defend or atleast ask why people are voting you?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Almost no offense but have any of ir reads been right thus far?

Like IDK there is no counterwagon and that seems wierd to me.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Someone explain scum!vedith to me

[NotTheRealPaul]

@dunker can u explain ur reads? why us thres?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Because you guys make the most sense as a scum team to me

bruh im tryna help u out and let u explain ur thought process but ur not helping at all.

If ur town cmon. Explain ur thoughts. WHY do they make sense? What interactions specifcalky?

[NotTheRealPaul]

honestly been considering. but considering my inexperience with wisdom and his total lack of goving a shit as far as explaining what he is thinking and giving us a look at his thought processes ive just kinda decided im gonna treat him like town.

Like yea its prob stupid but he hasnt rlly done anything scummy and i dont know what scum!wisdom is like.

Im not gonna agree with him 100% lbut atleast a one of our SRs seem to line up so Im fine working with him to get the lynch

[NotTheRealPaul]

Nah urs is different. Wisdom has his own reads and refusing to explain is a playstyle thing.

Ive seen town!you and I know ur kinda sheepy but this isnt the same thing. Also u jumping to intent all the time
pings the shit out of me.

So no I dont SR u for the reasons I TR Wisdom.

[NotTheRealPaul]

genuine reads doesnt mean correct reads
thats a lame attempt to add a reason for lynching me

[NotTheRealPaul]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[NotTheRealPaul]

ehh vedith counterwagon doesnt have much oomph. and no im not getting cold feet. just a bit wiierdes out that something i pushed for 2 game days with no movement reeally suddenly is at intent within 24 hours of d3 start

[NotTheRealPaul]

no hammer tho. there is still discussion to be done

[NotTheRealPaul]

also bins why is vedith scum?

@dunkers back on d2 vedith was saying wisdom would be green if he or I flipped red. do you think scum!vedith says something like that to set up partner!wisdom?

[NotTheRealPaul]

ebwop set up as in set up wisdom as green when ww shoots him as that was the current plan

[NotTheRealPaul]

ebwop when ww shoots vedith*

[NotTheRealPaul]

almost are u saying u think wagon composition is all town?

And I mean I dont see any resistance math just wanted a bit more discussion b4 they hammer...

[NotTheRealPaul]

Im so lost rn bcuz i was so fucking sure dunkers is scum.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Im not a fan of a math lynch.

I guess I'll go between bins and vedith

Honestly IDK. I might just sheep almost.

[NotTheRealPaul]

scratch that IIm not sure about bins rn.

bins convince me vedith is scum

[NotTheRealPaul]

I dont fucking know anymore.

Bins seems genuine as fuck to me.

But then it means its Wisdom, Math, Vedith

and Im pretty sure math is town so like my brain is going crazy.

Scum must be laughing their ass of

[NotTheRealPaul]

@Tails can u explain ehy u think wisdom is town?

Bins the last part of ur 1230 is WIFOM (I think.I just learned what this means lol)