Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: math
okay, so I guess I need to start here
if math flips town I (or sparkles/navy if I'm scum) will doc Titus tonight and tomorrow depending on what night we are therefore protecting the clear
at min there's one town there and I doubt scum will risk the 50/50 and creating mylo (or an extra lynch altogether if there's only one scum doc) to save Titus
so, in the world where math is town we get to probably enter lylo with a conf town which is safer than hepatitis
and, I don't see a world where I'm comfortable taking math + inno to lylo rn
plus even if they're town of course scum will try to push them and then
we'd be in a hard spot at that point but
math just accredited Titus in this setup so a conftown Titus in lylo is cool as fucc
I think it's far more likely math is just scum here
for the 4th time her and Titus have given no real reason at all to scumread me dears
Titus could still be town in that world
but math needs rope, they're scummy as ferr

Nope. Not happening. You don't get to lynch shop all day then come back to me to try to get a mislynch.

quote me lynch shopping
the stupidity isn't stopping

[MathBlade]

VOTE: titus

2 things can happen here, alas
if math hardclaims an inno my lynchpool today is {sparkles, math}
if math flips town I can just doc Titus
and if math flips scum Titus is no longer clearitis
if people believe the claim, sparkles can be roped
also, and I can't stress this enough, tomorrow lylo if a mislynch folks
so if you want to accept maths inno as town you need to me completely solid in that
because tomorrow there's no room for pussyfooting around inoo n shat

though, and this is an important fact
if Titus flips scum navy is no longer a town sack
it still weirds me out that Titus didn't read navy
I haven't seen them as scum together so that world maybe?
otherwise though yea this is town
navy is more useful as scum when around

math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?

okay well math start with this
do you hard claim an inno on Titus or are you just taking the piss

UNVOTE:

VOTE: math
okay, so I guess I need to start here
if math flips town I (or sparkles/navy if I'm scum) will doc Titus tonight and tomorrow depending on what night we are therefore protecting the clear
at min there's one town there and I doubt scum will risk the 50/50 and creating mylo (or an extra lynch altogether if there's only one scum doc) to save Titus
so, in the world where math is town we get to probably enter lylo with a conf town which is safer than hepatitis
and, I don't see a world where I'm comfortable taking math + inno to lylo rn
plus even if they're town of course scum will try to push them and then
we'd be in a hard spot at that point but
math just accredited Titus in this setup so a conftown Titus in lylo is cool as fucc
I think it's far more likely math is just scum here
for the 4th time her and Titus have given no real reason at all to scumread me dears
Titus could still be town in that world
but math needs rope, they're scummy as ferr

Tried to float myself Navy Titus and now back to me with a little Sparkles thrown in for good measure.

The better question is when haven't you?

And yes your stupid play isn't helping.

[MuttonChopMagic]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

[itlepip]

Actually solid point by math that I overlooked, anyone pointing to Mutton for the scum doc needs to find a second scum doc. No way did all three scum claim the same role, even if one switched.

[MuttonChopMagic]

i said if titus flips scum there's a chance navy is too and otherwise they're town
that is directly saying they are not a lynch option today, look around

[MathBlade]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

#IwasFirst
#YourOMGUSIsShowing

Never gonna get scum to say they're scum so I am going to cook dinner instead of arguing with you.

[MuttonChopMagic]

Actually solid point by math that I overlooked, anyone pointing to Mutton for the scum doc needs to find a second scum doc. No way did all three scum claim the same role, even if one switched.

I mean you call it a solid point but it's arguing for scum!me (6th time I've said it, still no case)
you're saying there needs to be a second scum doc if I'm scum, isn't "look for another doc if you think muttons scum" basically what you're saying?
and what do you say about the rest of the bullshit maths spouting?
I'm being ignored and I might start pouting:(

[MuttonChopMagic]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

#IwasFirst
#YourOMGUSIsShowing

Never gonna get scum to say they're scum so I am going to cook dinner instead of arguing with you.

so your reply to my complete counterargument is a meme and a bye?
in the future id like scum!math to at least try

[Titus]

Actually solid point by math that I overlooked, anyone pointing to Mutton for the scum doc needs to find a second scum doc. No way did all three scum claim the same role, even if one switched.

No. He switched because he saw how dumb the position was.

[itlepip]

what position?

[Titus]

what position?

All 3 scum claim cop.

[itlepip]

bleh, not really seeing it. Also wasn't there a crumb or something?

[MuttonChopMagic]

I crumbed it a lot. read my posts around that time if you're interested (Titus is not)
and why would all 3 scum claim cop in the first place? that situation makes no sense
and and, if they did, there's no real reason to switch because town wouldn't think all 3 scum would claim cop in the first place because there's no way to repent
it's an awful line of argument that we looked at yesterday
we need to flop math for red, hooray.

[MathBlade]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

#IwasFirst
#YourOMGUSIsShowing

Never gonna get scum to say they're scum so I am going to cook dinner instead of arguing with you.

so your reply to my complete counterargument is a meme and a bye?
in the future id like scum!math to at least try

Your argument isn't an argument and scumMath has a damn good record. Makes me wish I was scum but alas I am Town.

[MathBlade]

I crumbed it a lot. read my posts around that time if you're interested (Titus is not)
and why would all 3 scum claim cop in the first place? that situation makes no sense
and and, if they did, there's no real reason to switch because town wouldn't think all 3 scum would claim cop in the first place because there's no way to repent
it's an awful line of argument that we looked at yesterday
we need to flop math for red, hooray.

Scum can has crumbs too.
I can has done it.

[MuttonChopMagic]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

#IwasFirst
#YourOMGUSIsShowing

Never gonna get scum to say they're scum so I am going to cook dinner instead of arguing with you.

so your reply to my complete counterargument is a meme and a bye?
in the future id like scum!math to at least try

Your argument isn't an argument and scumMath has a damn good record. Makes me wish I was scum but alas I am Town.

I don't give a fuck about your ego bud
how. am. I. shopping. for. lynches. putz.
I never said id lynch navy and I had a pretty concise lynchpool of 2
that's pretty much the opposite of your shopping for lynches poo

and for the last timesince you seemingly don't have reading comprehension

why am I scum you idiot from another dimension

[MuttonChopMagic]

I crumbed it a lot. read my posts around that time if you're interested (Titus is not)
and why would all 3 scum claim cop in the first place? that situation makes no sense
and and, if they did, there's no real reason to switch because town wouldn't think all 3 scum would claim cop in the first place because there's no way to repent
it's an awful line of argument that we looked at yesterday
we need to flop math for red, hooray.

Scum can has crumbs too.
I can has done it.

cool? me too? that wasn't the point?
lol your team needs a newleader to appoint

[MuttonChopMagic]

actually I'm not cop I was hoping scum would fake but w/e, Im doc
I tried to make it so I could claim last but yall are cocks

Yuck...

You knew the point of the exercise was to narrow down which pool had to have scum but you totally wrecked it and tried to change things.

This is very anti-town at best.

Now, one of the doc claimers must be scum.

VOTE: Mutton

Docs became optimal play, as there is a gauaranteed scum in there now.

Mutton today. Sesq and Hellfire later

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

No. They are my biggest TRs. Lying and being anti-town isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere. Nor is trying to dictate me to lynch elsewhere. I am voting you or Sesq today.

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

Your play has been an attempt to.

If you felt your lie was so righteous, why self vote? Why would you expect us to suddenly follow your reads when you feel that lying to us is better than honest discussion? I trust people with clear motivations. Yours aren't.

Talk to me about Sesq.

VOTE: Sesq

I like your honesty now. I gtg.

1. I'll also add that it doesn't take much effort to look at and see a breadcrumb from Mutton for his coming claim switch *prior* to all the claims being finished. So...that limits the pool potentially a bit more.

I don't look for crumbs in a one and done setup. Why should I?

Yeah, and mutton admitted his play was a mistake and detracted from finding scum. We all agree. It was that humanity that made him townier. His actions are still bad but I am perfectly inclined to go vote for Sesq who basically wet noodled.

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

Okay, well without looking at it I'm gonna call it NAI unless someone can make a good case for scum motivation for it.

Vedith did. That's why it's possible for Mutton to be scum. Sometimes you gotta look at emotions though.

Time for a survey

Do you like mutton chop?
On a scale from one to one hundred, how cute are you?
Can you dance?
The pain threshold of most humans, including myself, is thirteen. Can you top it?
One of the lesser known facts about ants is that they can detect a fire. Do you believe this?
Right now, I obsess over Paddy, who I think is incredibly cute. Do you agree with mia?

Yes and no answers only. Any other type of answer will be dismissed and discarded.

Yes
As cute as I need to be
Depends, is wooden leg a new dance move?
What type of pain are we talking?
Who cares?
Paddy? Mia? Who?

Why aren't you voting Sesq or giving content?

VOTE: Mutton

Since many players have been replaced, the replacements should read the whole game. At from the time that Titus and Vedith got into the game.
My suspicion is that at least one of them is a mafia coz they have been active and they have the experience, and yet they are alive. It makes me suspicious of them. If I were a mafia, I would kill them. The very fact that they are alive makes me doubt them.

I think you are wrong on Titus and she needs lots of hugs <3 <3 <3

Like give her all the hugs.

VOTE: Mutton

Because I have auto hug protocols enabled.

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

because math is my strongest scum read and there's no longer a majority of doc claims alive (great!)
there's guaranteed at least 1 scum in 5 people. that's not mathematically worth it at this point mate.

Are you afraid of the noose coming around your own neck?

I'm not lynchable today more likely than not. The n1 cops all looked pretty genuine. From anyone else's PoE, that leads to a lynch on you. So scum are trying to turn this away to lynch a cop.

Titus, do you think there's something fishy in the way Vedith is turning against you? You are coming across as non-committal right now.

Really, I'm very committed to my plan. Lynch within doctors since PoE.

Okay talk with me about all the doctors besides yourself Titus. What's your reads on them?

Pedit okay

VOTE: Mutton

Titus, do you think there's something fishy in the way Vedith is turning against you? You are coming across as non-committal right now.

Really, I'm very committed to my plan. Lynch within doctors since PoE.

Okay talk with me about all the doctors besides yourself Titus. What's your reads on them?

Pedit okay

VOTE: Mutton

The n1 docs are unlikely to be scum based on how they claimed. That leaves Mutton. The sudden shift to want to lynch away from docs when you practically harding up in this place also suggests a 1 doc 2 cop claim setup.

If Mutton failed to claim change, game became PoE.

However I do agree Mutton is scum for other reasons soooo let's eat!

TLDR itlepip's reads are shit Titus and I are obvTown

Mutton needs rope

I am going to bed.

Vedith, I ask again. How do the two new flips change your calculation?
Why is Titus suspicious all of a sudden when you defended her quite strongly yesterday?

Well, it solved the game from my point of view. I have all 3 scum, and that's 100% thanks to the mass claim.

I already said why about Titus and Math. The only games they aren't going at each other is when they are both scum.

That's just not true. We did have a game where one of us would buddy the other.

I also know Math cop cleared me. They were not subtle about it.

You need me as your doc suspect, so you must paint Math as scum too. They could be scum buddying me but I literally don't give two fucks bc they must get lynched before me in optimal play. Optimal play says find the doc scum first. So, you'd just swap Math in my place for now.

If they'd flip town, I'm conf clear. If they flipped scum, yippie bonus for us.

I know Math isn't scum though so I am like meh whatever.

Let's lynch Mutton who is scum by PoE.

You just said what I basically already said about you and Math lynches, Titus.

Tell me, why is Mutton scum by POE?
Explain why all the other doc claims are town.

The n1 docs have little motivation to claim the way they do as scum. It just puts them in a place where they cannot lynch their protects.

I am town.

No other doc claimer exists but Mutton.

Creature
Sesq n3 doc
Hellfire Missile cop
Agent Sparkles n1 doc
NJAC cop
Gamma Emerald cop
Titus doc
Cooperative Sheep n1 doc
alban n1 doc
Vedith cop
NotTheRealPaul cop
MuttonChopMagic cop
CommKnight dead doc

So yes it's 6 and 6
So Creature is very likely determining the route of today.

Either Mutton is scum or Titus is wrong on the N1 doc theory or both. I am leaning both.

Meaning Mutton scum and one of the N1 docs is.

Clarification by way of post.

First you two being siblings is adorable, good luck with the new job!

Second Math who is the fake doctor?

I think there are actually two fake doctors not just one. Why are you phrasing it as a guaranteed one. I think one is certainly Mutton and Sparkles being another is a theory I was floating around in my head along with a few others.

I think there are two fake doctors one fake cop.

every single time Titus or math mention anything close to a stance on my alignment in chronological order
so, first off,

math has never actually given a reason to scumread me

even on the border
in 1672 and surround posts she directly says she disagrees with Titus that other docs are all town and is voting me for ~reasons~
~reasons~ that after 50 prompts have still not come out at all., treason!
Titus, on the other hand, scumreads me from doc poe.
so Titus, if you're town, why are sparkles and navy town? you've given no reasons including why their day 1 doc claims are believable b.
and then theres 1357. it is basically saying "I think mutton is town but vedith' s case means there's a slight chance he's scum".
the problem? vedith hard trs me now and you're still pushing his dry old case. at least, that's the only reason you gave to, in your words, 180 on me. isn't that right hun?
and, actually, you and math should have actual argumenting going on
you only think I'm scum because of poe, + you're sure maths town for no given reason at all (1681) gone
so surely math saying there's another scum doc but I'm still scum would give you doubt in your poe read?
shouldn't you be talking with your solid town read about why there's another scum doc and please
please, explain to me why you're voting me for poe when your brother/strong town read says there's another scum doc which breaks your poe
if Titus and math ignore this post it's a signed scum confession, repeat.

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, reread sheep. I was wrong. sheep/navy is town.
I want navy to come do things but I won't be voting them this game now.

[MuttonChopMagic]

{mutton}
{Alban, navy, itlepop}
- gap -
{vedith}
{njac, ntrp}
- gap -
{Agent Sparkles, Titus} one of these has to be scum which is separate from why I scumread them how fun!
{Mathblade}

[MuttonChopMagic]

{mutton}
{Alban, navy, itlepop}
{ntrp}
- gap -
{vedith}
{njac}
- gap -
{Agent Sparkles, Titus} one of these has to be scum which is separate from why I scumread them how fun!
{Mathblade}

ebwop. reread paul. don't think he's scum at all.

[MathBlade]

Why me = fry me

I can start cooking.

I am trying this new thing where I don't drown out the thread in so many words it creates apathy.

So far it shows people are reading my posts.

Bolding and underlining doesn't change reality.

I found scum while reading overnight. Conf Town agrees. Simple as that.

[Titus]

Don't defer to me Math. It's creepy.

[MathBlade]

Don't defer to me Math. It's creepy.

I am not deferring to you. I agree with you. Huge difference.

[MuttonChopMagic]

can someone not in the above 2 actually start posting words?
other than an odd itlepop I've literally been engaging with 2 scum for pages and it's getting cursed