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yaasIn post 976, nancy wrote:Prodding LmkGuy.- GreyICE
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So why the hell would you try to sell the person your vote is on that they're misreading you?In post 974, Mulch wrote:Nope. They can fake misreading me.
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Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.In post 978, GreyICE wrote:
So why the hell would you try to sell the person your vote is on that they're misreading you?In post 974, Mulch wrote:Nope. They can fake misreading me.
Jesus fucking christ that was scumtastic.
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Saw you ignored this RI? Wanna talk about it?In post 955, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How do you know MMM is not that good of a player? Again, who's alt?- ReplacedIn
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Don't really like Tchills reaction towards the scum reads and move towards Evee.
Also not really liking Grey's focus here but more in a 'he's better than that' than a 'that's scummy' way.
Not really. I'm an alt for a reason, admittedly one that's probably fairly obvious to those that know me but suffice it to say I've seen him play. I'd imagine you and Chicka know each others games pretty well, there a particular reason you've not attempted to interact with her or commented on her play in any real depth (And "Because I already know the slots scum" is not a reasonable answer). What do you think of her reasoning behind calling you town?In post 981, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Saw you ignored this RI? Wanna talk about it?- Lil Uzi Vert
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Followed along with part of Mini Normal 1908 where I saw MMM's scum game and it was pretty atrocious, I'd not consider him a scum mastermind despite him winning that game and don't think he'd have been able to pull off some of the things he's done here. But this isn't really a meta read, more a "Slots blatantly town via his play and replace out posts" read.
This shouldn't be allowed, pretty sure it's a either a rule break of an abuse of powers.In post 984, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I was informed of who you are shortly after.- GreyICE
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I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.
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I'm not an idiot, I just don't take bullshit pushes.In post 986, GreyICE wrote:
I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.
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"Help, Grey isn't making the case I want to make!"In post 982, ReplacedIn wrote:Don't really like Tchills reaction towards the scum reads and move towards Evee.
Also not really liking Grey's focus here but more in a 'he's better than that' than a 'that's scummy' way.
I keep saying, tell me why tchill is the better lynch than MMM/new girl. If I agree with you I switch.
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I said I thought you were town you nitwit. I said your play was sloppy and egotistical and I believe that leads to you posting a lot of scummy things because you post them just for the sake of posting them with no level of thought given. And overall with someone who posts as often as you do you were guaranteed to have scummy shit in your ISO, but that still is enough to make you the weakest of my strong town reads.In post 987, Mulch wrote:
I'm not an idiot, I just don't take bullshit pushes.In post 986, GreyICE wrote:
I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.
What do you know that I don't?
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I don't agree that MMM's posts were scummy at all? I've not understoodanythingabout the wagon on him. And by "Disliking your focus" I mean having a back and forth Mulch that isn't really going anywhere other than just making it even clearer the caliber of player he is might be fun and true and all but doesn't really help towards actually solving the game whereas talking over reads that we disagree on entirely or reads where we have very different reads strengths is what's going to actually move the game forward properly, I'll be your Llamarble; work with me.
I went into the Tchill scum read pretty extensively here, what about it do you disagree with if anything?In post 867, ReplacedIn wrote: Tchills interaction with Mulch in the early game is hugely awkward, the question of what she makes of Bomber in 139 to her answering she doesn't know but he's wrong to him voting Bomber in 151 is a really scum motivated progression and one that's really unnatural to come from town. The constant re-stating that Mulch is town without any real deep analysis anywhere there doesn't feel like town thinking about the game but then Mulch dropping to null in 440 with no explained progression is a pretty big scum tell. His stance on day lengths in 443 pretty massively contradicts what he voting LUV for initially in 406 and the explanation that he voted for 'reactions' isn't one that really makes sense there. His reasoning for dropping the town read on LUV and town reading Grey in 721 is pretty ??? too. I really have a lot of trouble seeing a lot of his thought processes coming from town here, they don't really run smoothly at all.- GreyICE
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This is everything and the kitchen sink level of scumhunting. Like... Uzi points out "everything you said was pretty fucking wrong." MMM doesn't stop to reevaluate his fucking godawful case, he just damns the torpedoes, full speed ahead.In post 243, MMM wrote:
1. I didn't realise you still had your vote on Mulch.In post 235, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: I think town here would ask me why I was still voting for someone who I thought was probably town at the time and why I'm still voting for them currently rather than push this narrative.
2. If you're town, then instantly obvtowning Mulch in spite of his reasoning for most of his reads being flawed is wrong - even though I'll concede that his efforts in general read as town, putting that much confidence in him being town seems like something really easy for scum to do for town cred here.
3. If you turn out to be scum like I'm expecting, then there's little point in me asking why your vote is on anyone in particular anyway.
4. You're talking about catching town in RVS, and you say you're good at catching scum? That seems more like a deflection than anything else.
5. My scum reads aren't ordered that meticulously, they are merely on 3 different levels - townleans, null slots, scumleans. Having a list that is orderedthat wellat this point in the game with high confidence can't even come from town. The fact you're pointing at something minor like that to attempt to get attention off of yourself reads as scummy as well.
Now I'm not saying a few contradictions make you scum, but can we call out point 3 for a bit? "There's little point in me asking why this big point in my case makes no sense, because you're scum lol". It's just fucking bad, bad, bad posting.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Now in the context of that, read this post:
Let's make this clear. He's bitching that Uzi is apparently doing the same thing to him thatIn post 345, MMM wrote:I swear a fucklot more than the next guy because I get really frustrated when every single one of you is acting like a bunch of fucking retards by calling me scum based on pathetically false accusations and not actually dealing with what I am actually fucking talking about in my god damn posts. I came to this site in the first place because the play standard on PS was simply fucking awful but I certainly never expected it to be just as bad here. You, like massive, have not read the fucking context when you made your own accusation, and thus obviously your shitty statement about my intentions there is completely and utterly WRONG.
I could tell you to actually read the context and interpret it as what you're SUPPOSED to interpret, but clearly it's just a waste of time. Those on my wagon who are town are tunnelling and those who are scum are taking advantage of me being a really easy wagon. It doesn't really matter what I say, because neither are getting off any time soon, apparently, despite it being the obvious correct play, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that it's not already been done.
And on a final note... thank you guys so much for proving to me that I should just stop trying with this entire game. I thought the standards of play here would be higher than on PS, but apparently actually making your fucking cases will result in people calling you fake and scum for actually trying to accomplish shit without explaining either why I'm scum or why my case is apparently a totally fake narrative. No thank you, I'd rather just die on night 1 every fucking game so I don't have to deal with peoples' fucking bullshit.
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I'm gonna take a very wild guess and say that someone will assume that I've claimed scum for the second time now, and you know what, I don't even care at this point. After all you clearly all know so much better than me so surely you'll manage to find scum really easily after my mislynch. But whatever. I can't be fucked investing more time into this if I'm just gonna get blatantly ignored and misrepped by both town and scum.
Poke me if you're actually gonna read what I have to say. I'm done with talking into a fucking vacuum.
<<< User was given a warning for this post. >>>he just did to Uzi.In fact that he just LAUDED HIMSELF for doing to Uzi.
We can say a lack of self-awareness, but take it from an expert on fake rage - this does not read legit. This reads like anger that Uzi is "doing what he's doing, but it's working for Uzi."
Now I'm not going to sit here and defend tchill's towniness, because that's like defending Atlantis. I wouldn't be shocked if we had two scum wagons. But give me some fucking credit here.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Not reading either of those as scummy? Bad play, probably? But nothing more than that, I'm finding his push on LUV as something he believes in regardless of the level of logic attached with the push. Would also argue that stating he "torpedoed" when it was ~2 RL days into the day phase is pretty inaccurate, not unusual for players to get overly-convinced about their own reasoning very early on to step back and reassess as town. I also think his self-vote and frustration post is due to his annoyance that people aren't actually reading his posts properly (notable with Massive's vote on MMM for instance) and think it's one that came up fairly naturally. Would add that when reading through the thread I had a similar level of "The fuck did I just join, this is a lot of shit awful play" and thought a lot of that from players directed at him.
Think there's enough re; his replace out type posts that should over-power that regardless of how you're reading those posts anyway so shrug?
What's your thoughts on Mulch probably just being spewed town here? There's probably ~5 players I just flat out can't see her ever being scum with in the game which makes the worlds that she's even possible to be mafia in to begin with pretty small and I think none of those worlds are particularly realistic.- GreyICE
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He's less town than Dany but that's only because Dany might as well have run up the "holy fuck I'm townman mctownpants" flag and he doesn't even know he did it (which is why it's convincing). I've been in games with scum cheeky enough to play like Mulch. Kind of doubt it though.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Not amazed with the replace out either honestly. I've never been convinced by the idea that town replaces more often than scum, I think it's rather the reverse. And genuine emotion is not alignment indicative.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Eh, not really what I was asking -- more referring to I think Mulch has very little possible partners if he's mafia here (With none really being my scum reads) and that greatly increases the odds of him being town rather than a "His play doesn't look like scum" type thing which I won't be able to comment on till I read his catastrophe of an ISO.
As someone that replaces in a lot I think the stigma with replacements being scum more often is kind of incorrect in that I've only replaced in as scum twice out of ~20 replace though I selectively replace in a bit. Wouldn't say the notion of replacing out is a town-tell though but the manner that MMM replaced out showed he was genuinely frustrated with the game, it's plausible he was frustrated with how he was being treated as scum sure, but I don't think his last post happens and I most certainly don't think he requests dead QT access in that case.- GreyICE
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Oh who cares about potential partners. Why are we even discussing mulch? I want to discuss people we're going to lynch not people we'd never lynch in a million years day 1.
So set aside your bias for a moment, because you know I'm not bad at this. Does Chickadee's posts really remind you of town?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I care. I want to attempt to narrow this down as close as possible while I'm here, being able to rule players out goes a long way to doing that.In post 997, GreyICE wrote:Oh who cares about potential partners. Why are we even discussing mulch? I want to discuss people we're going to lynch not people we'd never lynch in a million years day 1.
I don't mind her reads overall but as for her posting it doesn't do much for me either way and given she's only replaced in ~36 hours ago that's not a huge concern?In post 997, GreyICE wrote:So set aside your bias for a moment, because you know I'm not bad at this. Does Chickadee's posts really remind you of town?- GreyICE
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Ignoring the bs, would a good scum strategy be:
- Buddy strong players who have an emotional connection to
- Ignore strong players you don't have a hook in or read on yet
- Call out lurkers in a generic sense
- Vote the most plausible not-you wagon
I think that's really excellent scum play if you replace in in a bad spot.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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