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In post 18, Blanche wrote:zach is actually worrying me btw and i really hope im not underestimating himIn post 21, Blanche wrote:i thought zach would have a better attention to detail - especially when it came to us-
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In post 6, Blanche wrote:
on a more serious note though kraska and i have been trying to figure out what the mechanical purpose of this is but we cant think of anythingIn post 0, Aristophanes wrote:3. The Mafia will have an appointed "Godfather" to make their kills.
the rolecop is obvious but??
this should come up later in the game
No one reacted to this itself though
Which is the post of all these posts which has the most to do with the game
I thought that's what "reactions"
Side note idk why you just came out firing out of the gate lol that was weird
You know people are going to RVS.
Blanche wrote:if you're referring to zach, yes
There there
You won't be able to help townreading me no matter my align tbh no flex-
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Those are like really loose reactions.
I don't think they're the ones you look for if you actually care about the topic tbh
Like you should be steam emoji ing at that, not me..
How are you catching anyone off balance exactly? Scum not coming into day one without hitting their PTIn post 51, Blanche wrote:
and rvs is boring - the game's gotta go 0 to 100 you know thats how you catch scum off balance
If I happened to be in that pt and u weren't there I'd probably say something like look at Blanche trying LOL
... you must know when to retreat in war
There's literally 0 plans that exist that start with voting me
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Giga you have no reason to be worried about me tho is why I'm worried about you.
I possess all the mystical stratagems to finesse ur life away why would you be a threat to me as scum?
If you don't believe that then believe I have a weak scum game and a weird town game
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Why not? I have two completed with shaddowez and called as scum both times
Let's see if he pings me
Not that it's super solid but it's a useful vote as any rn.
Also FWIW there's something off about your aura. Don't worry I'll be able to clear it up later-
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Nos we out of RVS bro validate your position
I will terminate your strange default scumminess with extreme prejudice
What do you want to talk about? All of us may have seen this at sign upCarcalilly wrote:who wants to talk about the fact that there's a single role that the victory of town depends on?-
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Okay, I just need you to defend this.
? Were you assuming, knowing that this was a closed setup, that since it appeared scumsided it was definitely completely scumsided and town was set up to lose? Just wondering. It doesn't make sense.In post 84, Carcalilly wrote:Anyway, this is Mountainish (no roles???) with an end-all town role and a mafia rolecop?????
Definitely an implication of closed setups... yes.In post 87, Carcalilly wrote:IDK I'm questioning the balance and the actual setup. It's closed so all we can do is speculate
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Oh yeah but how do we do that exactly? Doctors? No, it's mountainish? Claim before lynch? Now the mafia will get them.In post 85, Blanche wrote:then let's fight
the mafia mechanic discussion is at least more pro-town if you really want to go the setup spec discussion because scum probably have insight to what it means while town doesnt
all we know is that we cant let the mysterious role die and thats all we reallyshouldknow (unless you know what that role is??)
so why not discuss the godfather mechanic instead?
Godfather mechanic is a lot less interesting Imo. :')
Again, are you assuming town has nothing to combat scum advantage? In what way is that logical?
And if you're assuming otherwise, what benefit does discussing it like this have? At all?
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Im waiting for the game Dunn pockets your life awayIn post 127, Blanche wrote:me too
lycan, gd, and dunn are town
nos and zach maybe
carcalilly and vedith are ok lynches from ppl whove posted but i do want to set a baseline for what's null in this table first
how you have nos at the same level as me? LMAOO
But facts tho Carca is scum but giga was acting weird at gamestart. Would you like to explain this behavior kraska
Nosferatu wrote:your vigilance is unnecessary
you had me nailed in like page 5 and then forgot
just dont forget this time
U pocketed tf out me cause you played townier than our town confs LMAO-
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Can you elaborate on the last part specifically?In post 140, GinghamDog wrote: VOTE: Carcalilly
Several people have discussed setup spec so far, which I don't have an issue with, but the way Carcalilly worded it pinged me.-
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Well let me preface this by saying kraska and giga have never scumposted to me before so my POV is definitely unique considering how scummy they are this game IMO
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Carcalilly wrote:Spoiler: 113
Well one, I was confused because there are technically roles in a no-role mechanic. I'm pretty sure mountainish means all VT and goons but apparently not here.
So if town does actually have other PRs then it's not mountainish and Ari lied to us all.
OK so look at out confirmed information:
-Mafia has a ROLECOP
-Town has an END-ALL role
-The game is titled "mountainish"
So during the night, mafia can probably rolecop one player, then kill another. That's clearing out two. If that's all there really is then in must be easy for them to find that role.
Also, the benefits have already taken action.
Power roles are not the only thing that can influence the game in town's favor.. that's why you're so scummy
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Your comments on the rest of the game state are very minimalIn post 174, Carcalilly wrote:
Out there is how to play m9In post 118, Zachstralkita wrote:In a setup where we're already weak, PoEing town's potential utilities and highlighting the one weakness we all know as a discussion point on mechanics is really... out there, to say the least.
VOTE: Carcalilly
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Okay so what would I have "worried" you for at that point in timeIn post 179, Blanche wrote:zach the main issue i take with your scumread of me is that a significant part of it hinges on me scumreading you for your rvs post which isn't the case
cause it was genuine when it happened
The part of my argument where I talk about your response to the "reactions" does not rely on this, though.
"players cannot have a scumread on me or they will be scummy"Blanche wrote:and if you keep doing things like insinuating i'm scum and
I think you know what my problem is with this one
It's fine if you scumread him but I can bloc with anyone. I'll be able to townread him correctly too if necessary.Blanche wrote:townbloccing with vedith then i will continue to worry about you
Carca scummier anyway btw so you don't need to act like you're a huge SR for me when realistically, I'm not going to have a concrete reads list early game when people have barely played.-
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Dunnstral wrote:In post 184, Blanche wrote:
this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousnessIn post 182, Vijarada wrote:
I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.In post 143, Blanche wrote:also vij probtown
-kraska
Oh no
Is blanche scum
LMFAO
In post 185, Dwlee99 wrote:That is a bit freaky.
On subject, I don't think carcalilly talking about the setup is a scumtell like people seemed to have reacted to it as.
No one is taking issue with her talking about the setup though it's the specific way she did it..
"What does town have to combat scum" = "What information can we give away"
this doesn't help lolCarcalilly wrote:
UNVOTE: Dwlee
I'm scummier than scum.Zachstralkita wrote: Carca scummier anyway
What are your scumreads looking like?
@Blanche okay guess I won't night dayvig you haha which is impossible in this setup! haha!-
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Maybe elaborate on this one with some context for this game?In post 151, Vedith wrote: Carca is an awkward player. She says stupid shit that makes her look like scum, or makes her an easy push.
I'll decide further in the game if it's scum motivated.
We're scumreading Carcalilly for a specific reason and you're defending her for a general one. It's sort of odd that you ignored the whole discussion.
why lynch Blanche when they're going to town tone post and make me feel bad about lynching them. We have actual scummy playersVedith wrote:
Yeah, too many people trying to work out spec and it's not helpful.In post 227, Zachstralkita wrote:Vedith can you provide some analysis on the game please. vedith vs blanche is going to be annoying if you're both town
blanche is just spamming the game and posting shit which is stopping the game moving forward.
I think 209 / 210 / 211 are all fake.
Nos has the right attitude and is most likely town.
Dwlee / Shadow need to do better.
And the rest I don't want to comment on.
If it's going to be annoying with me and Gigga, why not lynch Gigga?
Like if they try some fuck shit I am immediately ready to terminate them but I don't see a need to rn. They're generating discussion
Plus we have to wait for Dunn
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No... I think you're being obtuse to what I'm saying, intentional or not. To what end I don't know so I'm trying to find outIn post 232, Vedith wrote:
So you think Gigga prevented us losing day 1 or what?In post 231, Zachstralkita wrote:Bro the spec play is important in the setup though cause the game can be lost day one
I've been townreading you, I don't care if you think I'm scum but that shit you're doing right now is scummy.. end of
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In post 234, Zachstralkita wrote:
I think you're being obtuse to what I'm saying, intentional or not.In post 232, Vedith wrote:
So you think Gigga prevented us losing day 1 or what?In post 231, Zachstralkita wrote:Bro the spec play is important in the setup though cause the game can be lost day one
THESE ARE EVIDENTLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.Vedith wrote:
Oh now I'm scummy because I think Gigga is scum?
Stop being a scumfuck and assuming we all want to kill you. If you want something clarified prompt discussion
Otherwise continuing to play like that is literally a scum claim-
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@Vedith when I get to laptop I got u
@blanche How can I put this....
one time a long long time ago in an epic mafia scum game I won for pointing out a reaction test at game start
I got townread for it for some reason
That's neither here nor there. Post 20 is that kind of statement. It can't be considered that townie because it's so obvious. if newbtown does that I can perfectly see newbscum doing it too
The reads themselves weren't NaI, the act of having a reads list is.
I was saying like scum will appeal to players who read players based on the reads they have to gain towncred from them.-
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Dunnstral- I'm assuming town.
Blanche, Vijarada- Town.
Nosferatu, shaddowez, Lycanfire- Null. Lycan is lean town and shaddow is lean scum
Vedith, Dwlee, Carca, GD- Scum reads for now.
DisplayName, Kinetic - no read. lurkers.
Can't do anything with this shit without a flip tbh
Hey... why is the tunnel part in thereCarcalilly wrote:
Anyway when I get back I wanna ISO and tunnel Zach because they confuse me.
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But when I say "out there" I don't mean strange I mean it was scummy... you're not being targeted because of how radical your ideas are LOLCarcalilly wrote: legitimately, Idgaf if I look scummy, because I know that all I do is state my opinions and everything on my mind when most relevant. Some of it arguably be useless but, what's the hurt of barfing up all the content you can before you die? Also I'd rather be lynched than NKed because you can at least do a VCA and stuff so I guess that's a random advantage.
I want to be the person to speak out with out-there stuff to start conversation. Y'all are too scared to be scumread from it. I don't care if you scumread me or even lynch me, at least I know I did something in the game to help the townwincon.
also the fact that we have two lurk fuck slots makes it less likely that you're scum but it's still a possibility-
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Why did you ask for rainbow reads? Are you going to at least pretend to have evaluated something?Vedith wrote:
Fake responseIn post 264, Zachstralkita wrote:Why did Dunn even claim man. I wanna commit to sudoku
I didnt even read this lolIn post 249, Vedith wrote:So if you're the only person to have had a town read while others had a Scum read, are you white knighting me?
Because that's what Scum you has done in the past, correct me if I'm wrong
Let's go! Let's go!
Zach is getting worried because Gigga is today's lynch!
Well Vedith if you're familiar with my town play you would know I'm not WKing you
That scum game you're referring to was nearly a year ago, do with that what you will-
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Vedith's argument revolves around me being scum with giga(Blanche) and panicking they're getting lynched but he conveniently forgets to mention at one point I thought Blanche was the scummiest player in the game and pushed them. It's absolutely nonsensical. Blink at him and he calls you scum. Try to question him and he misreps you... blatantly obstructive bullshit.
I saw him as an obvious ML last game when he was and I'm not getting those vibes at all. I can spot MLs but Vedith in particular's play doesn't feel genuine and he hasn't actuallly attempted to like be productive... at all.
After the Mulch Incident my position is there is no "too scum to be scum"
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How people townread there is beyond me.
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Well neither of you gave me rainbow reads for a start.In post 268, Zachstralkita wrote:Why did you ask for rainbow reads? Are you going to at least pretend to have evaluated something?
And since you and Gigga are jerking each other off on calling yourselves town to one another, I don't think any other town reads will be scum.
That makes Vijarada town, that makes Nos town, that makes GD town, that makes Lycan town.
Shaddow being lean scum for you both makes him scum too.
Easy game, easy money.
I'm pretty sure your scum game is composed of a lot of bullshit and false confidence.
I already said I literally was the only person in this game who scumread Blanche besides you.
Your positions you've held this game are utterly stupid as fuck:
1. I'm trying to derail a Blanche lynch (Who the fuck is going to lynch blanche?)
2. I'm scum with Blanche (I literally cased them more than you.)
3. I'm scum who tried to pocket you and "failed" (You literally ATTRACT ROPE. What use would you even serve me. Theoretically I'd pocket Blanche in this game and they already TR me like I said they would on like page 4)
In post 144, Vedith wrote:
Then you're stupid, Gigga.In post 142, Blanche wrote:yes, vedith, i mean this
just felt weird that there was open setup discussion and you completely sidestepped it. nos doing it too is there i guess but once one person ignores it it sets the tone for the rest so it's not as off.
I have no interest in in talking about what roles Scum can have in my first post.
What do you think you gained from it?
GTFO
And why should I vote Carca with You?
This post here isn't even saying anything. Look at the bold. It doesn't apply because we're talking about a specific scum mechanic and you dismiss it as "setup spec" as a whole which is disingenuous as fuck. In the first quote you are adamant about shooting down the discussion for no reason.In post 228, Vedith wrote:In post 227, Zachstralkita wrote:Vedith can you provide some analysis on the game please. vedith vs blanche is going to be annoying if you're both townYeah, too many people trying to work out spec and it's not helpful.
blanche is just spamming the game and posting shit which is stopping the game moving forward.
I think 209 / 210 / 211 are all fake.
Nos has the right attitude and is most likely town.
Dwlee / Shadow need to do better.
And the rest I don't want to comment on.
If it's going to be annoying with me and Gigga, why not lynch Gigga?
Blanche and I have too much posts probably but they're not just shitposting and neither am I which is clear to see. What is Vedith doing exactly?
@Vijarada are you saying Vedith is townier than GD-
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In post 303, Lycanfire wrote:picking up my prod
lycanalysis never happened. spent most of yesterday trying to forget this game existed in case it picked up so i could work without bias of further information. that didn't really happen beyond a vedith wagon forming.
which i don't like. sorry rosa, i have no idea what made you think i was following you with a read on vedith and i only kept my vote there to see how far you would go with your awful behavior. UNVOTE: i was being purposely inflammatory in 182 and stopped enabling Carcalilly's bad behavior while seeing how far Blanche/GD wanted to go with their lynchpool.
i anticipated a faster game and created a different way to look at games so i wouldn't fall into the get-behind-be-useless pit. mainly looking at blanche/GD for trying to create the vedith|carcalilly paradigm. there's been some shitty trends so far in this game-and i want to look at them all because i think i can safely pull scum from it. if nothing else i want to see if it works.
maybe tonight(?? if i get a second wind and can't sleep). i've been very bitter for the past week with work and ended up sleeping for my entire day off which only pisses me off more (because i knew that would happen)
i do want to know where Zach fits in with relation to Blanche/GD because it seems like he's on the cusp of aligning with their reads, but rather proudly shouts divisive scumreads at both of them, despite aligning quite well (Carcalilly, later on, Vedith). VOTE: Zach I need to know how you went from your reads at 176 to 206 chiefly your reads on both Blanche and Vedith.
Is this the lycanalysis? Anyways.
1) It's most likely I looked at things the wrong way and scumread Blanche for the wrong reasons. Otherwise they were playing really scummy for no reason and I don't think that's a remotely intelligent conclusion to arrive at so I don't SR them anymore at least today. They've been towny too.In post 303, Lycanfire wrote: i do want to know where Zach fits in with relation to Blanche/GD because it seems like he's on the cusp of aligning with their reads, but rather proudly shouts divisive scumreads at both of them, despite aligning quite well (Carcalilly, later on, Vedith). VOTE: Zach I need to know how you went from your reads at 176 to 206 chiefly your reads on both Blanche and Vedith.
2) I can scumread someone even if we share reads. If the person is scum then the "reads" are fabricated.
3) All things considered, Vedith is obvscumming here and I have no clue why you unvoted him. You can swap his scumread of me for someone else's name and the conclusion does not change. Do I have to go in depth?
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His town game involves a lot of sarcasm and abrasiveness which is cool but he's not useless and obstructive when he's town. I think he's under the impression he's not getting lynched. You might be thinking the same lol-
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he has shaddow as low scum in reads list and shaddow is the only person voting Blanche with him
is the team shaddowez/Zachstralkita/Blanche LMFAO
Play harder? I think you're scum but I'm not going to give two shits about lynching you if you're town because you're doing a Boonskiies here and you're fully aware of it.Vedith wrote:In post 297, Vedith wrote:Also, I can't be lynched. So there's that!
Nice one, Zach, you worked that out from no where. \o/In post 309, Zachstralkita wrote:I think he's under the impression he's not getting lynched.
More apt comparison would be Mulch I guess, but at least Mulch managed to convince some people he was town.
Respond to any points on you at any time which is convenient by the way. Like I know it's going to be a lot of effort to make all of these things up but you've been doing it great so far
looks like im scumNosferatu wrote:zach youre being way too productive for my liking-
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If you're town I don't think you actually read what people post in this game so I think you're hard scum or our most expendable town member ever.Vedith wrote:
I'm aware that you're scum, yes.In post 313, Zachstralkita wrote:Play harder? I think you're scum but I'm not going to give two shits about lynching you if you're town because you're doing a Boonskiies here and you're fully aware of it.
And your argument for Shadow not scum (or whatever it is you're saying) is because he's voting with me on a 2 person wagon?
My argument is you picked your "reads" out of a hat basically and are pushing off of that. None of your positions make sense.Vedith wrote: And your argument for Shadow not scum (or whatever it is you're saying) is because he's voting with me on a 2 person wagon?
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NoIn post 318, Vedith wrote:
That's a lie.In post 317, Zachstralkita wrote:your other reads still don't have any credibility because you haven't spoken on them and what you have said is close to nonsense
I already explained why they are town.
In post 285, Vedith wrote:
Well neither of you gave me rainbow reads for a start.In post 268, Zachstralkita wrote:Why did you ask for rainbow reads? Are you going to at least pretend to have evaluated something?
And since you and Gigga are jerking each other off on calling yourselves town to one another, I don't think any other town reads will be scum.
That makes Vijarada town, that makes Nos town, that makes GD town, that makes Lycan town.
Shaddow being lean scum for you both makes him scum too.
Easy game, easy money.
This clearly relies on Blanche and I being scum together which is preflip
You haven't justified a read on any of these other people with their play.
"You haven't justified a read on any of those people with their play" - me, just nowIn post 228, Vedith wrote:
Nos has the right attitude and is most likely town.
Dwlee / Shadow need to do better.
And the rest I don't want to comment on.
I don't think Vedith is this dumb though. And he's not working with me at all so if I'm dumb how am I going to clarify the issue?Carcalilly wrote:Also, just to bring another argument into light, sometimes misreping doesn't happen on purpose, and they just misunderstood what your post actually meant. I know this from personal experience. (duh carca stfu)
Logistically he's not conf but for all intents and purposes he is right now...Carcalilly wrote:wait is Dunn actually conftown? Technically they aren't-
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In post 377, jjh927 wrote:Are you arguing that you and Kraska have to be the same alignment
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