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[Mulch]

As long as ur alive I'm 100% not being nightkilled lmao

This is something scum would say 1000000000%

Too bad it's true. Why would I ever be nightkilled when Llama is dead set on tunneling me for the entire game? No matter WHAT llama's allignment is I'm basically their target whether it's actual scum or their own little lackey doing it for them.

This is partially why I just feel this urge to lynch Llama right now

[Scorpious]

You are borderline spamming the game, yet your votes are such trash.

You just dont add up.. I dont see why a townie would act like you are..

Btw, mashing all that crap together is not what I told you to do.
New Challenge: You have 200 words to summarize your questions of me. You might have to pick and choose now. If you exceed the 200 word barrier, I reserve the right to ignore it..

Go!

[Mulch]

You are borderline spamming the game, yet your votes are such trash.

You just dont add up.. I dont see why a townie would act like you are..

WTF lol

[Mulch]

New Challenge: You have 200 words to summarize your questions of me. You might have to pick and choose now. If you exceed the 200 word barrier, I reserve the right to ignore it..

Go!

No, you can answer 6 questions I give you

[Scorpious]

List them here

[Mulch]

I already did

[Scorpious]

Blah blah blah,"respond to more of my posts..

Pretty much all that was until this:

My Vedith vote reason was in the post. I dont ilike when lynches are lined up.

Your entire game seems to have a purpose, not just the posts o mentioned,again,asking me to aknowledge more of your finger diarreah.

I dont do read lists..

More asking for acknowledgment.. sensing a theme here. You like attention

I like awesome's reasoning and tone.

Thats about it.. now drop it..

[LlamaFluff]

Why would I ever be nightkilled when Llama is dead set on tunneling me for the entire game?

So im supposed to vote a town read?

Steel is town. MM is town. WM is town. Alban is probably town. Scorp is probably town. AUN is null read. You are a scum read.

You keep complaining about ego, but apparently are incapable of realizing that I read you as scum and just about the rest of the game as town. Am I supposed to start questioning my town reads and voting them? Nothing you have done makes me think you are town to a point where I should be voting anywhere else.

You push on Scorpious is enough to be a reason to scum read you on its own. Most of it is "you didn't respond to all of my posts" or null tells and you basically refuse to summarize it, which should be the easiest thing in the world for you to do if its something you actually believe. When you make 200 posts in a couple of days is REALLY hard to find anything when you just go "I said it already".

Just respond to him and actually be productive. Multiple players are stating that you are making it very hard to play the game with you due to your posting style. Even if you are saying that one of them is scum, that is about a third of the TOWN complaining about your playstyle making it either not fun to play the game or difficult to. Take a hint.

[Mulch]

Half the town= you and scorpious

[LlamaFluff]

Half the town= you and scorpious

Also alban who you made request replacement. Don't forget that. Also third of town.

But really, summarize your case on Scorp. Don't just quote a dozen posts. It should be easy right?

[Mulch]

Scopious has really great confidence and tone, but when you look into their posts they are sorta shit and also pretty town grabby. He's also just literally refusing to do anything and is not participating at ALL and is baseing his reads off good reasons but nothing to support. I want more.

[Scorpious]

And yes, I agree with you regarding Scorpius being scum. Lol I probs look like an idiot changing my mind so much, but lynchpool is between scorp, awesome, and alban

Why do you agree?

[LlamaFluff]

Why are the "town grabby" posts not just him just doing town things? Why are these two things different.
How does one "base reads on good reasons" yet have "nothing to support"?

[Mulch]

Why are the "town grabby" posts not just him just doing town things? Why are these two things different.
How does one "base reads on good reasons" yet have "nothing to support"?

Excellent questions.


In mafia, scum want to appear towny. Real townies real solve; ie, they look at stuff, think what is scum, etc. For scum, who have the disadvantage of knowing who is town, it can be extremely hard to fake acting like they are solving like townies. After all, that's the main goal for scum. To appear like town.

Scum might do stuff that makes them "appear" towny- something as simple as "gamesolving", but it isn't ACTUALLY trying to solve the game and the focus is more on APPEARING town. Scorpi's posts look like town cred grabbing instead of natural being town.


For the second question, his read on me for caring how much I look is basically the best reason to scumread someone- objectively- but it's wrong and more damning he has no posts to support it. Hence; good reasons, no support.


Any other questions?

[LlamaFluff]

Scum might do stuff that makes them "appear" towny- something as simple as "gamesolving", but it isn't ACTUALLY trying to solve the game and the focus is more on APPEARING town. Scorpi's posts look like town cred grabbing instead of natural being town.

Give an example of what is "trying" to be town and what town acting town would have done instead.

For the second question, his read on me for caring how much I look is basically the best reason to scumread someone- objectively- but it's wrong and more damning he has no posts to support it. Hence; good reasons, no support.

Saying "its wrong" does nothing. I could say "its wrong" in response to reasons any time someone calls me scum, but it doesn't matter.

Also I think most of your posts like immediately saying you are town upon replacing in and pushing me because I am calling you scum are all reasons that show that you are very concerned with self-preservation and being read as town to an extent that does not come from town. That is a valid reason for calling you scum. While its not all you have done, you are FAR more concerned about people viewing you as scum than anyone else in the game is

[Mulch]

Besides the fact that I'm actually slight townreading you- not pushing you-


That's not a bad point about caring about self preservation. your just gonna have to trust me that I'm a player that dosen't like getting lynched as town lol and get very upset when people scumread me. I honestly usually have issues with scum pocketing me because i naturally assume all pushing me are scum, when a decent % of the time they are town.

And I mean I also have a drastically higher post count than anyone else.

Also a little tip- usually scum are much more subtle about their town grabbing than I would theoretically be.
Which brings me to Scoprious...


1048 and 1068 in particular are examples of those.

And 1229 is atrocious for another reason

[LlamaFluff]

I have absolutely zero problem with 1048. That is a good question to ask there if its not well known.

1068 I have said is a bit of an issue, but its a weak tell as long as you have a good general grasp on what his reads are.

1229 is middling. I think its probably genuine frustration, but its a poor reason for an attack. Only if that switched around his read on the slot from town to scum I raise a red flag over it. As I think alban is more likely town that Scorp, its just a very weak tell overall to me.

[Mulch]

No, 1068 isn't scum for not having a reads list, it was for the way he shouted "I'm town!" by saying reads list are FOR SCUM

[Mulch]

It's like you have everything backwards

[LlamaFluff]

No, 1068 isn't scum for not having a reads list, it was for the way he shouted "I'm town!" by saying reads list are FOR SCUM

But you are calling him scum for a difference in theory. If you want him to elaborate on what he means, ask that directly, because I read it as meaning something entirely different than what you do. I read that as "scum benefit from reads lists - im not making one", which if that is what you think, its the right move.

The only way that is a scum tell is if he sees it as a scumtell to MAKE a read list and has acted on it inconsistently throughout the game.

It's like you have everything backwards

If someone has different theory than you do, its not a tell. I think a large reason for conflicts between us we have entirely different sets of tells and terminology and when pressing against each other that turn volatile very quickly because there IS a distinct schism between how both of us approach the game.

For instance I think its a joke to be posting "I am voting X, but they might be town because of Y" while you do it willingly. Same with terms "Buddying vs Pocketing" etc. I dunno.... its just that I think we come from different backgrounds to nearly a detrimental extent. Granted this changes nothing about my Io read. Or that I still read most of the game as town, but I think I see where a split occurs.

[Mulch]

"scum benefit from reads lists - im not making one"

Hidden meaning: I'm not scum. It's basically subtly shouting that he is town.

And I'm not fucking scumreading you for having everything ass backwards lmao.

Io/carca had ONE bad post, the rest is NAI, and they had almost an equally good post as well. You shoulden't read into spew anyway.

[LlamaFluff]

"scum benefit from reads lists - im not making one

"Hidden meaning: I'm not scum. It's basically subtly shouting that he is town.

How does town say that then if they think "scum benefit from reads lists"

[Scorpious]

"scum benefit from reads lists - im not making one"

Hidden meaning: I'm not scum. It's basically subtly shouting that he is town.

There is no hidden meaning to anything I say. I don't like reads lists. I think they can be picked apart by good scum. And in my experience in mafia (about 10 games here and about 10 on another non-mafia site) they are often posted

by

scum as an easy form of content.

Any more clarification needed?

[Mulch]

"scum benefit from reads lists - im not making one

"Hidden meaning: I'm not scum. It's basically subtly shouting that he is town.

How does town say that then if they think "scum benefit from reads lists"

They can say it in a natural way, which I can't really figure out cause I like readslist, but maybe something like "I don't really think readslist do that much, so I prefer to it ____ way. Instead of saying so obviiously "THEY ARE FOR SCUM'= You are NOT scum

[Mulch]

"scum benefit from reads lists - im not making one"

Hidden meaning: I'm not scum. It's basically subtly shouting that he is town.

There is no hidden meaning to anything I say. I don't like reads lists. I think they can be picked apart by good scum. And in my experience in mafia (about 10 games here and about 10 on another non-mafia site) they are often posted

by

scum as an easy form of content.

Any more clarification needed?

I understand dude it has a hidden meaning whether you say it does or not. But it's not like super super super damning and I understand that it could be said from a town PoV. I just don't know why you emphasized "reads list are for SCUM", like in such a manner that suggested you were NOT scum