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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:51 am

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In post 22, Aster wrote:
Explanation for new players:

An example of a possible scumtell that just surfaced: why did Gorny take the posts seemingly seriously? Is he just unfamiliar with the process, or did him feeling threatened because he actually was Mafia form a contributing factor?
That scum tell sucks, but you seeing scum tells in pedestrian behaviour gets you paranoid town points.

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:03 pm

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@FancyPants: I, Aster, the highly paranoid and absolutely insufferable townie, demand an explanation as to why you just voted Gorny.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:56 pm

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MotherGothel is holding a young girl hostage. :D

VOTE: MotherGothel28

How long does Ransome Voting Stage usually last?
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:16 pm

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In post 6, Aster wrote:FrozenMagpie and Gorny are, like, totes Mafia.
My flower senses are tingling.

VOTE: Gorny
In post 12, Aster wrote:You know, I've made up my mind. ^^
I'll compromise.

UNVOTE: Gorny
VOTE: FrozenMagpie
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VOTE: FancyPants

I never could finish your last level...

@Aster
What experience do you have playing forum mafia? Have you played before on here / elsewhere?
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:16 pm

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Woops, didn't mean to quote those
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:24 pm

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@Draynth: this is the first time I'm playing on mafiascum.net, but I've got quite a bit of mafia experience on other forums.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:32 pm

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Fair enough
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:40 pm

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Also, FancyPants, no answer?
Oh boy... that means I get to project whatever baseless accusation I want <3



FancyPants' post irks me significantly more than such a small post should. It accomplishes the following three things:
  • It establishes that my point against Gorny is nonsense;
  • It disencourages you to post nonconclusive evidence;
  • It votes Gorny.
I shall reply to all three of these points.

Point 1:

I admit that my point was a very weak tell, but I do not think that means it should not be said. First, during day 1 there is generally very little evidence available and we must grab onto whatever we can get. Also, you could've defended Gorny without a personal attack.

Second, more importantly, pointing out a mild flaw in a scum's behaviour can get them to react, which can get more scumtells out of them. Many tells can not be found in generic posts they write, but they can be revealed by questions asked or remarks made. In this case, Gorny did not have any scumtells in his reply, so I'll drop the point. If I were to get the impression that he was like "OH NOES I SCREWED UP" and try to cover it up poorly, I'd press the matter.

Point 2:

Like I just said, you're free to accuse me of whatever. It gets the discussion going, which is a good thing. I am, however, more vexed by your attempt to
supress
discussion with the phrase "seeing scum tells in pedestrian behaviour gets you paranoid town points". That doesn't apply to just me, it scares of everyone to state their suspicions fearing "paranoid town points".

Notably, you called them "town points", not "scum points". So you're not even accusing me of being an overzealous scum lyncher? Of course you aren't—you'd earn massive amounts of "hypocrite" points if you did. And we can't afford that, can we? "Hypocrite" points are bad after all. Don't touch them.

Of course, you're going to say "I didn't want to accuse you, I only wanted to defend Gorny against your inane accusations." (despite adding a personal attack a bit earlier in the same sentence.) That could be true, but I suspect that there is an ulterior motive, see my next point.

Point 3:

Voting Gorny, the guy you just defended... like, why?
Alright, I know your answer already. That was just an RVS vote, right?
But why RVS vote Gorny? Why not me? Why not anyone else? Or rather, why vote anyone at all?

I can explain: because voting Gorny is the most townish-looking choice. It accomplishes the following:
  • It distances yourself from Gorny, preventing you from being accused of being in a mafia team with him;
  • By explicitly voting somebody other than me (rather than simply not voting) you really drive the point home "I do not vote people based on "pedestrian behaviour";
That's it. I cannot think of another reason why you would put that vote in a post like that other than to increase your townishness. Normally one would put no vote in a post like that, and a vote on Gorny just seems too convenient for the circumstances; it gives me the impression that your post was carefully orchestrated.




So, what point am I making? I get the impression from the attention to detail and convenient wording that FancyPants' post was not just a common post to help Gorny, but rather a convenient post he could make to appear townish. Of course, townies could attempt to look townish, but scum try harder.

Tl;dr:
FancyPants tries too hard to look like town.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:02 pm

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VOTE: Aster

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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:05 pm

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In post 27, FrozenMagpie wrote:MotherGothel is holding a young girl hostage. :D

VOTE: MotherGothel28

How long does Ransome Voting Stage usually last?

Well, the young girl keeps me young, so I'm going to keep her :D

In my experience random voting doesn't last super long. This is my first game here, but I've played elsewhere, and people generally like to find stuff as soon as they can and get down to business (to defeat the Huns...)
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:57 pm

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VOTE: FancyPants
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:58 pm

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VOTE: FancyPants
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:01 pm

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Guys I am not sure how to make the vote box. If you could tell me that would be nice.
And I think that it is FancyPants. He first voted Aster, (the one person who' started talking). and after that gorny another person who started talking.
I feel, that he feels intimidated by them, and wants to get them out. Trying to get Mafia to win
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:02 pm

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VOTE: FancyPants
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:06 pm

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I also have a question, on why it says peoples roles underneath their name?
Is this a bug?
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:11 pm

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In post 39, adilm29h wrote:I also have a question, on why it says peoples roles underneath their name?
Is this a bug?

You mean the "townie" part listed right under your name at the left there just like it says "goon" for me?

It's post count related: faq.php#f1r5

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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:37 pm

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In post 40, Gorny wrote:
In post 39, adilm29h wrote:I also have a question, on why it says peoples roles underneath their name?
Is this a bug?

You mean the "townie" part listed right under your name at the left there just like it says "goon" for me?

It's post count related: faq.php#f1r5

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Cool, thanks
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:14 pm

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@ the aster post.
Point1: I wasn't trying to suppress discussion, but fair point I probably could of let it run a bit.
Point 2: Town-points mean just that, meaning I found your behaviour to be town - if wrong.
Point 3: The Gorny vote was to rustle his jimmies a bit, I didn't like his defensiveness in , of course if I say I'm making the vote to get under his skin a bit it loses all meaning, in a way your under-mined me like I under-mined you in point 1.

Also with regards to the personal attack, it wasn't meant as such I was just being blunt, perhaps too much so.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:16 pm

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In post 39, adilm29h wrote:I also have a question, on why it says peoples roles underneath their name?
Is this a bug?
Is this the most adorable town tell ever or fiendishly clever :lol: .

@Gorny, early thoughts?
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:32 pm

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In post 43, FancyPants wrote:
In post 39, adilm29h wrote:I also have a question, on why it says peoples roles underneath their name?
Is this a bug?
Is this the most adorable town tell ever or fiendishly clever :lol: .

@Gorny, early thoughts?
for now I'm going with the former, if it was actually a setup then I'll be impressed hah
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:08 am

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Vote Count 1.1

There’s nothing under your bed. Nothing in your closet. Nothing waiting in the hall. You are surrounded by nothing. You cannot escape it.


FancyPants (2)
: Draynth, adilm29h
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: Aster
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: Gorny
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: FancyPants
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: FrozenMagpie
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: Xa ligha, GreyICE

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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:49 am

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UNVOTE: MotherGothel

This sure is quiet...
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:04 am

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Hopefully people are just busy on the weekend, what are your thoughts since you're about?
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:06 am

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In post 42, FancyPants wrote:@ the aster post.
Point1: I wasn't trying to suppress discussion, but fair point I probably could of let it run a bit.
Point 2: Town-points mean just that, meaning I found your behaviour to be town - if wrong.
Point 3: The Gorny vote was to rustle his jimmies a bit, I didn't like his defensiveness in , of course if I say I'm making the vote to get under his skin a bit it loses all meaning, in a way your under-mined me like I under-mined you in point 1.

Also with regards to the personal attack, it wasn't meant as such I was just being blunt, perhaps too much so.

What did you see as defensive about ? Why?

UNVOTE: GreyIce

In response to ...early thoughts on what? Who? Are you asking me for reads on people?

8f you mean adlim there, he seems to be fairly new.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:18 am

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In post 47, FancyPants wrote:Hopefully people are just busy on the weekend, what are your thoughts since you're about?
Uh, I'm not really thinking much. You and Aster have a small thing going but I don't feel like it's really indicative of anything. You could both be town or you could both be scum or you could be 1town and 1scum. If what you said earlier had been worded differently, there might not even have been a debate at all.

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