Mini Normal 1940: The Apartment [Endgame]

[Boonskiies]

@Skitter - Why do you seemingly target TesX then turn around on Fire? I'm not liking Tes's content thus far in this game. I don't know if he's scum or not, but I don't like it. To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Skitter.

would you like some whipped cream on those waffles?

what even is this post? Who the hell is waffling? I stated exactly how I felt. I was trying not to be a dick. TesXX's play this game has been terrible, no matter the alignment. This entire thing was to Skitter, which is who I was saying was stating things just to state things and appear doing something. And then Skitter literally used the same phrasing and tried to push it at me.

This is a bad post by you, Eddie.

[firecrocer]

I don't see why it's so unbelievable that if the mod post was taken from someone else, a vague line from said post doesn't reveal things about this particular game.
I don't know if scum has daychat or not, heck i've been in one other normal game and it had daychat. Pretending I know doesn't help anything.
I'm dropping this now.

[firecrocer]

Well I AM scum.

The only time this is a good idea as scum is in RL mafia. And as town, just, why? You expect us not to vote you now I suppose?

[firecrocer]

Firecrocer's vote was RVS
Nothing to retaliate against.

My vote on you was not RVS. Granted, it wasn't a hard scumread vote but it had rationale.

And how would it be useful for scum or a third-party to vote a moderator of a game?

Because by voting the mod you're a) not helping the game, and b) Not making a commitment that could put you under suspicion. It's a way of doing something while doing nothing.

[firecrocer]

@Firecrocer: Was your vote in 57 RVS? If it wasn't RVS, why do you think it's so bad for Tess to have voted the mod? Why is it 'useless' if he's town, and why is it worse in RVS in particular?

Like I said, voting the mod achieves nothing productive, as a joke randomly in the middle or end of the game fine but the whole point of rvs is to put your on players, stuff happens, and rvs ends because now we have actual stuff to work off of.
If you have your vote on the mod, you are not random voting anyone, you are literally voting the one person with zero chance of being scum.
It doesn't progress the game, it doesn't give the other players any data on you, you've just gone and sat yourself on a metaphorical fence.

[firecrocer]

20 by RC was a pretty obvious joke, unless it's some sort of sophisticated traitor signal that I can't comprehend. Like, I think most of our first reactions would be that it's a joke. So this post by firecrocer was extremely weird to me. I don't understand how a person could really think to say "why" to that. It's a joke. This reeks to me of scum trying to fit in and try to get in the game by asking pointless questions. What was the POINT of that question? There is none. So why did he ask it? This response to me calling him out on it has some scummy characteristics, mainly the fact that he tries to use a strawman to me. I say that' s abullshit question, he responds with "isn't why always an important question." Uh... that's not my point, dude. He's trying to take a joke waaaay too seriously. He also totally does a scummy thing by voting RC after RC says this. Uhh... again, something extremely NAI. Yet he votes him for it. Totally weird.

I didn't think RC's post was a joke, that's why I asked about it :/
My vote on RC was not serious either. I just like voting RC.

[Vedith]

Vedith \o/

[Mulch]

Unfortunately am not gonna be able to continue and respond until ~14 hours from now but for now

VOTE: Boonskiies

[Vedith]

You leave Boonskiees alone!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Firecrocer's vote was RVS
Nothing to retaliate against.

My vote on you was not RVS. Granted, it wasn't a hard scumread vote but it had rationale.

And how would it be useful for scum or a third-party to vote a moderator of a game?

Because by voting the mod you're a) not helping the game, and b) Not making a commitment that could put you under suspicion. It's a way of doing something while doing nothing.

Doing nothing doesn't further scum or a third-parties win-con. It's also NAI. Both need to appear town and help mislynch town. I'd also argue voting for the mod puts you under a ton of suspicion.

[TesXX]

Well I AM scum.

Um, why are you saying this?

How come?

VOTE: Whymafia

A mod vote is useless if you're town.

And especially useless in RVS VOTE: TessXX

VOTE: firecrocer

What's the point of this vote?

RVS

The game was very clearly out of RVS at that point.

Firecrocer's vote was RVS
Nothing to retaliate against.

People are like discussing Fire's vote and whether it was RVS, but no one even asked her lol.

@Firecrocer:

Was your vote in 57 RVS? If it wasn't RVS, why do you think it's so bad for Tess to have voted the mod? Why is it 'useless' if he's town, and why is it worse in RVS in particular?

@Skitter - Why do you seemingly target TesX then turn around on Fire? I'm not liking Tes's content thus far in this game. I don't know if he's scum or not, but I don't like it. To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Skitter.

@Skitter - Why do you seemingly target TesX then turn around on Fire? I'm not liking Tes's content thus far in this game. I don't know if he's scum or not, but I don't like it. To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Skitter.

I want to respond to this, but I'm actually not entirely sure what you're actually trying to say here, especially in the first sentence. What do you mean by 'turn around on Fire' here?

I'm disliking Tess as well, especially because of the Tess/Fire interaction, and I'm trying to talk to him (and Fire) about it so that I can understand what's happening there. You're . . . making flat, generic statements of 'I'm not liking [his] content' without discussing why or what or even trying to engage with him about it. You don't like him, and declare that he may or may not be scummy, and instead of following up with him about it, you. . . decide to call me out on trying to talk to him about it? To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Boon.

This is LITERALLY what I said about you.

Well I AM scum.

The only time this is a good idea as scum is in RL mafia. And as town, just, why? You expect us not to vote you now I suppose?

Firecrocer's vote was RVS
Nothing to retaliate against.

My vote on you was not RVS. Granted, it wasn't a hard scumread vote but it had rationale.

And how would it be useful for scum or a third-party to vote a moderator of a game?

Because by voting the mod you're a) not helping the game, and b) Not making a commitment that could put you under suspicion. It's a way of doing something while doing nothing.

Catching up

[TesXX]

Whoops, I added those quotes to the multiquote thing and I didn't do 'preview' so I forgot I had quoted that stuff. My bad

[TesXX]

Also, before I post my wallpost, I'm confirming:
The "RVS" vote on firecrocer was reaction testing. It was a joke vote but the "RVS" part was reaction testing since it wasn't in RVS.

[Keyen]

I was completely serious that I believed that the fact that I've heard of you but have no idea who you are makes you more likely than the average player to be expendable. But do you actually think there's even the tiniest chance I voted you with the intention of a policy lynch going through based on that? This says strange things to me either about your thought process or your view of the early game.

I don't know what you're trying to imply here. Would you like to expand more of your thought process?

[Keyen]

I mean I'm never unvoting you at this point. I've seen scum claim scum hundreds of times and town claiming scum only once. If you're town, don't claim scum then.

I think I have claimed scum in my town games

[Keyen]

I think Mulch is trying to change his playstyle, so that's why his posts feels forced?
Idk.
Irdk Mulch.

[Keyen]

I joined this game at the middle of my so-called mafia break out of boredom, soooooooo i dont expect to see myself willing to play this game.

[Keyen]

Mulch/TesXX/Firecrocer makes sense if these three are scum. I remember that firecrocer was scum on the newbie game I modded, but I didn't really read the game, so I don't have any idea on her playstyle loool
and Boon is town no matter how i read him

[TesXX]

Well I AM scum.

Um, why are you saying this?

Becaws I are.

@Skitter - Why do you seemingly target TesX then turn around on Fire? I'm not liking Tes's content thus far in this game. I don't know if he's scum or not, but I don't like it. To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Skitter.

Why is the things she's stating not doing anything?

@Skitter - Why do you seemingly target TesX then turn around on Fire? I'm not liking Tes's content thus far in this game. I don't know if he's scum or not, but I don't like it. To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Skitter.

I want to respond to this, but I'm actually not entirely sure what you're actually trying to say here, especially in the first sentence. What do you mean by 'turn around on Fire' here?

I'm disliking Tess as well, especially because of the Tess/Fire interaction, and I'm trying to talk to him (and Fire) about it so that I can understand what's happening there. You're . . . making flat, generic statements of 'I'm not liking [his] content' without discussing why or what or even trying to engage with him about it. You don't like him, and declare that he may or may not be scummy, and instead of following up with him about it, you. . . decide to call me out on trying to talk to him about it? To me, it's coming off as if you are just trying to state things to state things and appear you are doing things, Boon.

This is LITERALLY what I said about you.

I think that's the point.

Well I AM scum.

The only time this is a good idea as scum is in RL mafia. And as town, just, why? You expect us not to vote you now I suppose?

Nope. Just wanted to let you all know.
Why would claiming scum get you not to be voted?
Like, I don't get it.......................................................................................................................................

And how would it be useful for scum or a third-party to vote a moderator of a game?

Because by voting the mod you're a) not helping the game, and b) Not making a commitment that could put you under suspicion. It's a way of doing something while doing nothing.

@Firecrocer: Was your vote in 57 RVS? If it wasn't RVS, why do you think it's so bad for Tess to have voted the mod? Why is it 'useless' if he's town, and why is it worse in RVS in particular?

Like I said, voting the mod achieves nothing productive, as a joke randomly in the middle or end of the game fine

But it's not okay to vote the mod as a joke at the beginning of a game, in the stage about troll votes?

but the whole point of rvs is to put your on players, stuff happens, and rvs ends because now we have actual stuff to work off of.
If you have your vote on the mod, you are not random voting anyone, you are literally voting the one person with zero chance of being scum.
It doesn't progress the game, it doesn't give the other players any data on you, you've just gone and sat yourself on a metaphorical fence.

So if you're not voting someone who can be scum in RVS, you're scum? Not everyone has to vote people other than the mod, and it's not refusing to help the gamestate if you vote a non player as a joke. Also, it doesn't give players any data on you? So an RVS vote would get data on you?
This case is just bullcrap.
VOTE: Firecrocer

[TesXX]

wait I missed this post

I mean I'm never unvoting you at this point. I've seen scum claim scum hundreds of times and town claiming scum only once. If you're town, don't claim scum then.

Is this a serious

[TesXX]

Yo so like I'm here as promised

20 by RC was a pretty obvious joke, unless it's some sort of sophisticated traitor signal that I can't comprehend. Like, I think most of our first reactions would be that it's a joke. So this post by

firecrocer

was extremely weird to me. I don't understand how a person could really think to say "why" to that. It's a joke. This reeks to me of scum trying to fit in and try to get in the game by asking pointless questions.

How would fire know it's a joke? How would scum fit in by asking that question?

What was the POINT of that question? There is none. So why did he ask it?

I mean, if you wanted to know the answer but didn't know then why WOULDN'T you ask the question.

This response to me calling him out on it has some scummy characteristics, mainly the fact that he tries to use a strawman to me. I say that' s abullshit question, he responds with "isn't why always an important question." Uh... that's not my point, dude.

I guess this part, kind of makes sense.

He's trying to take a joke waaaay too seriously. He also totally does a scummy thing by voting RC after RC says this. Uhh... again, something extremely NAI. Yet he votes him for it. Totally weird.

Again, now this stuff is making sense.

This mindmeld on thoughts by Eddie makes me think that Eddie is town, for now. I mean, it wasn't exactly hard to point out, but tentatively like good reaction there.

Wait is this joking?

This by texx shows that he isn't reading the game because I actually asked RC the same question. Not NAI tho.

My battery was low so I had to make a post quick so I didn't stop to check everything. Plus I was watching a movie and didn't want to miss too much of it.

this post by Boonskiies stood out to me. I sorta know what Boon usually does and he dosen't really waste questions on useless things. Like, asking a clarifiaction thing here on something that's obvious? Scummy. Way for scum to fit in without progressing gamestate.

Again, how would that help scum fit in? And plus it never hurts to have clarification even if you're pretty sure.

[Eddie Cane]

should I vote you fire

[RadiantCowbells]

Firecrocer is super lynchbaity and the reasons that she has been pushed this game are awful and NAI.
The push on her has been explicitly because the reasons that she has given to vote others are /bad/ - not because of anything actually scummy that she has done.
While I don't personally agree with her views on RVS mod voting I think it's perfectly reasonable that she would hold the view that it's a bad thing.
Can we not be classic moron town who powertunnel people we disagree with and actually play the game?
Because I've read her correctly in every game and am leaning town on her right now and quite frankly all your reads on her fucking suck.

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC - You haven't voted me yet, and normally I'd call you out as scum for that, but I know we're trying to push past that stuff. We both have similar reaction testy playstyles. I'm likely about to hardcore tunnel Mulch if he doesn't explain himself better. You know me quite well. Do I ever try to fit in without progressing gamestate? Like, either alignment.

I'm taking no position on your alignment for the first few days.

I'll bounce reads on other people off of you if you're interested in doing that but at no point am I going to either push on you or defend you this early for /reasons/.

[TesXX]

Trying to get someone lynched for reasons that are awful is generally a scumtell because it is more likely scum trying to BS their way through a lynch than anything else. It isn't ALWAYS like this, some special circumstances it's different but that's my current opinion of firecrocer, that she's scum trying to push a BS lynch.