Mini 1942 - Switchboard 2 [Game Over]

[Formerfish]

Ok, so crazy days are done, catching up now.

[Formerfish]

First 5 Pages:

Alright im going to do this a different way, sinc e I feel like I am very far behind and trying to catch up post by post is going to annoy me very quickly.
I disagree with the idea of claiming our priority numbers. Scum is going to want to know that as well as they can try to make sure they are near the top of the list by knocking off those ahead of them, and the fact that all of our roles are explicitly laid out makes it a lot easier for scum to manipulate. (also, I had no clue the was an open set up, I must have missed that.) Moz #27 makes it sound like he is just throwing out townish sounding buzz words to justify his read, which might be why it annoys me. I just find the reasoning too simplistic. The idea that scum don’t have a need to know those numbers or at least can use that to their advantage is naïve and the threat should be self evident. Then the town read on two players who make opposite decisions makes no sense to me either. So anyone can say anything and get town read for it. I say I don’t trust the town read and I get shit for it…

I believe this is a low risk high reward scenario for Town.
Only scum should be scared

I dont like this either. The last line in particular. It makes me feel like he is saying that anyone who disagrees with him is scummy. You dont have to be scum to see why scum would benefit from this knowledge. If Scum knows that all our prs are going to be on the highest prios then they will have free reign to go from the other end and start picking off people who have no protection and will give the town no actual info to go off of.
Aubrey- that’s a silly reason for even a semi-serious line of inquiry. You don’t see a reason why someone might see what others say first in relation to a question. Like if someone played in the first game but failed to disclose that?
Im liking raya in #78 because it seems to mirror my thought process on the situation rather closely, even helps me solidify my ideas.

FOS both of y'all for even suggesting that but
VOTE: Aubrey

Did i miss something, Aubrey seemed against our prs claiming, yet you vote him. Fitz was the one who said that prs should soft claim, and all he gets is lumped into a aubrey vote post?

scum is absolutely turned on

Wait, why do you think this?

vote chickadee

Felt like there was some rolefishing earlier in post 46, and post 71 felt off to me.

This is a bad vote, and I disagree with your assesment of those posts. I need you to explain your reasoning for both.
Side note- why has this become the meta? I dont know why everything has to be pulling teeth with things like this. You know that someone is going to ask you to explain your empty justification, so why not just explain yourself in the post?

I am liking Mjollnir more and more as he posts. #117 especially since it puts to words what I wasn’t able to figure out how to from fitzs posts. All those numbers and scenarios just seem like scum busy work since it does nothing to actually figure out the best person to vote, just that we have a 43% chance if we mass claim.

[Realeo]

I am Innocent feels town to me. He asks good questions.

Do you think Mjolinir's question feel town for you?

[Chickadee]

Moza, Keychain is fairly new. She's finding her bearings. I still have her as null, but I really think we need to give her time to develop to better read her.

My last experience playing with her seems similar to the experience you're having now. If she is town, and she can point herself in the right direction, she'll be great. She really has potential. If she's scum, I think we'll see it fairly soon.

This is townChick through and through.

I was under the impression you knew what was going on when you made this post. Now you're catching up from the beginning.

Please explain.

Also, we've only played one game, and as you already mentioned, I was scum there. And not even good scum. I replaced into a slot people already locked as scummy.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey- that’s a silly reason for even a semi-serious line of inquiry.

LOLOL, which line of reasoning. I've had plenty of bad ones so far it seems. Like this is my worst game start in forever.

Did i miss something, Aubrey seemed against our prs claiming, yet you vote him. Fitz was the one who said that prs should soft claim, and all he gets is lumped into a aubrey vote post?

I was at the time. You're in for a rude awakening for when I 360 that train of thought though.

Wait, why do you think this?

lol, ya'll keep bringing up that horrid toggle plan of mine. Shhhttoop. The plan sucked, and is not even functional since for whatever reason I thought we could toggle by number rather than name. I do think this is a miscommunication though. I don't think all the scum PR's are activated, but if the toggle plan were functional and executed, then they would be. Now let's never mention that terrible terrible plan of mine again.

[Formerfish]

Moza, Keychain is fairly new. She's finding her bearings. I still have her as null, but I really think we need to give her time to develop to better read her.

My last experience playing with her seems similar to the experience you're having now. If she is town, and she can point herself in the right direction, she'll be great. She really has potential. If she's scum, I think we'll see it fairly soon.

This is townChick through and through.

I was under the impression you knew what was going on when you made this post. Now you're catching up from the beginning.

Please explain.

Also, we've only played one game, and as you already mentioned, I was scum there. And not even good scum. I replaced into a slot people already locked as scummy.

Im doing a full reread. I felt like my read on the game was disjointed and I had mixed up a few people early in the game and I think it was affecting how i remembered things. I was caught up to a point, now I am fully catching up and making sure that I have everything straight. And yes, I played with you as scum, but Im seeing you make an effort. Maybe you were telling the truth about being busy in that game, but I see you making an effort here and it comes off as a town mindset to me since I can see exaclty why you feel the way you do.

[Chickadee]

Ah ok, I thought this was a catchup, not a reread.

That makes more sense now.

[Formerfish]

Next 6 pages:

Unless they have a day talk that I'm unaware of, they are likely somewhat unorganized

Fucking hell. I wonder where that information could be found. Perhaps right in the sample roles pms that the mod was so gracious to give to us.

Because I failed to know scum have day talk? That should be considered Nai. If you townread that, then you're falling for one of the easiest tricks in the books.

No. Because you supported a plan that benefitted Scum, and freaked out when I said how Scum could easily screw us over if we did that.
The way you phrased it especially made it sound like you already knew it could happen but didn't want anyone else to know.
And then you decide it's a good idea to stop engaging in discussion and just lurk after two posts???? Sorry, but no.
You're a Scummy McScumface

I’m liking this reasoning a lot. The self exile post from Aub was really out of place and out of no where. You wanna see spamming, look at any game mulch is in.

it's highly unlikely each member of the team would have independently came up with the same mathematical conclusion that Realeo did.

See the issue here is that they dont need to do it independently. Only one scumbag would have had to realize that their path to victory involves at least 1 cc. Then, if there were no day talk, they would discuss things over night in their pt and boom, same situation.
Liking rat more after post 187, again seeing the same things as we read though makes me feel better about the way that I am reading things here and makes me feel less crazy. After my last game its nice to know that im not on tilt here.

Raya, Allo, Fish, Fitz and Realeo:

Do you have any current scum/townreads?

Yup.

u scum with IAI?

You caught me. You caught the tater...

Regardless, the fact that nobody but myself supported his idea fully makes me think that it came from a town perspective more than likely.

Explain why this is?

2)EVen if he is good scum, iit's still unlikely that you OPEN the game with a gambit. May as well just shine a massive spotlight on your self.

And this is the exact reason why scum would do it. Too scummy to be scum.

I'mma just wait til page 20 to catch up proper

I hate this post. It makes me think that he/she/they are just wanting to see how things shake out before they make a stance known. Like the game is only 10 pages long at this point, and it took us 3 days to get there. So by this logic he will start playing the game in another 3 days? Lame.

I kinda townlean FF bur dunno if he deserves it.

Then lets dance brother.

But are not you supposed to be glad at that point that the risky plan dies as a risk averse?
Like, for a lady who claim that setup speccing is bad, any attempt to end setup speccing should be good and responded by "Thank God Realeo that you ended this idiot talk." instead of scolding me.

You do realize that even though you did do something good, you still shouldn't use that as an excuse the help scum, right? To me this seems really suspicious, like you're being deliberately obtuse in order to have an excuse to post that so that you could get a message to your scum partners. VOTE: Realeo

If he was scum he could just cc someone and get his partners into the night phase. If he lives, he can explain his plan, if he dies in the 1v1 then his partners discuss it overnight. I can see why people would see smoke here, but there is no fire to be seen.

They have day talk....there is no need to try and sneak messages into their posts.

This kinda feels like it could be a message hidden in plain sight. LIke Aub could be telling Allo to get his ass in the scum pr and read up before he says any other stupid shit.

people's thoughts on fornerfih, molloigner and IAI? they're my scumteam atm

Dude, if you keep spelling our names wrong town is going to catch on to us...

Though @Formerfish
What do you mean by "figure out what priorities actually mean?"
That's public information, higher priorities get to override lower priorities toggling the same switch.

At the time I didnt realize this was an open set up and that all that was explained. Thats when i went and read the opening posts. In my head higher and lower always get a bit mixed up. Like when someone wants you to turn down the ac, do they want it colder or less cold?

are we actually still setup speccing

Are you reading?

If a number of us have been able to start generating reads/leans, and been able to pressure one another between the spec talk, I don't see why you can't. You're using the spec talk as an excuse to not put much work into the game.
VOTE: Nosferatu
Chick holds the same view you do, but that didn't stop her from being an active participant.

I like this post, kinda makes me lean more towards town after everything thats been said. Could this be a bus vote though?

If a number of us have been able to start generating reads/leans, and been able to pressure one another between the spec talk, I don't see why you can't. You're using the spec talk as an excuse to not put much work into the game.

VOTE: Nosferatu

Chick holds the same view you do, but that didn't stop her from being an active participant.

i know i can
i dont want to
thus i dont

why sign up to play then?

i didnt sign up for 10 pages of setup spec

Then dont play anyone elses game, play your own. If you signed up to play, then play, no one is stopping you. Do you think that it is scummy that weve been talking about set up for 10 pages? Find who you think is the scummiest of the bunch and pressure them. Or do whatever you like to do to scumhunt. Or post cat memes, i dunno brother.

[Aubrey]

Fucking hell. I wonder where that information could be found. Perhaps right in the sample roles pms that the mod was so gracious to give to us.

Yes yes we get it. Aubrey is a complete and utter dumbass. No need to repeat what the world already knows.

[Aubrey]

Explain why this is?

Keep reading. I re-explained this earlier today.

[Realeo]

[Nosferatu]

mfw i should have forced myself to read through uninteresting unnecessary filler content that did nothing to further the gamestate in any significant manner

[Aubrey]

This kinda feels like it could be a message hidden in plain sight. LIke Aub could be telling Allo to get his ass in the scum pr and read up before he says any other stupid shit.

Are you trying to say he and I are scum trying to fake not knowing about day talk independently, and I'm bitching at him for trying the gambit after I did? If so, wouldn't that be the funniest shit and amazingly timed.

I like this post, kinda makes me lean more towards town after everything thats been said. Could this be a bus vote though?

.....Soooo scum me is bitching at scum Allo, and later scum us are bitching at scum Nos, while scum Nos is then in retaliation bitching at scum Allo. Look at that triangle of scum distancing. Do you really think scum would be thaaaat hell bent on creating distance? Come on.

[Nosferatu]

its reverse triangulation

duh

[Formerfish]

Aubrey- that’s a silly reason for even a semi-serious line of inquiry.

LOLOL, which line of reasoning. I've had plenty of bad ones so far it seems. Like this is my worst game start in forever.

Pretty sure I was talking about the jab you made at Chick when she asked about the first game.

Did i miss something, Aubrey seemed against our prs claiming, yet you vote him. Fitz was the one who said that prs should soft claim, and all he gets is lumped into a aubrey vote post?

I was at the time. You're in for a rude awakening for when I 360 that train of thought though.

If you 360 it, wont you arrive at the same position oyu have now?

Wait, why do you think this?

lol, ya'll keep bringing up that horrid toggle plan of mine. Shhhttoop. The plan sucked, and is not even functional since for whatever reason I thought we could toggle by number rather than name. I do think this is a miscommunication though. I don't think all the scum PR's are activated, but if the toggle plan were functional and executed, then they would be. Now let's never mention that terrible terrible plan of mine again.

Fair enough, im going to have to iso you because i am having mixed feelings about you right now.

[Formerfish]

Well played sir.

[Formerfish]

mfw i should have forced myself to read through uninteresting unnecessary filler content that did nothing to further the gamestate in any significant manner

Beacuse there could have been bits and pieces you could have picked up and run with? I mean fuck, when it started to become monotonous i just ignored someof the set up spec posts. Like when I started to read them my brain went numb and next thing i knew i was onto the next post.

[Formerfish]

This kinda feels like it could be a message hidden in plain sight. LIke Aub could be telling Allo to get his ass in the scum pr and read up before he says any other stupid shit.

Are you trying to say he and I are scum trying to fake not knowing about day talk independently, and I'm bitching at him for trying the gambit after I did? If so, wouldn't that be the funniest shit and amazingly timed.

Yes? No? I havent decided yet? Maybe this is just somethin I needed to point out for myself so that later I can look back and give it more or less credence based of future events.

I like this post, kinda makes me lean more towards town after everything thats been said. Could this be a bus vote though?

.....Soooo scum me is bitching at scum Allo, and later scum us are bitching at scum Nos, while scum Nos is then in retaliation bitching at scum Allo. Look at that triangle of scum distancing. Do you really think scum would be thaaaat hell bent on creating distance? Come on.

If you guys think you needed to distance from each other what better way than that?

[Formerfish]

Last thoughts (i thought i posted this already, but in reality i got distracted by GoT):

Why? Do you think she wouldn't buddy as scum?

Why would she pick you to buddy?

Okay where on earth did these townreads come from?

Because I bleed town, youll see.

I have Aubrey, Rat and Key as town. I'll keep Inno in my town lean pile.
Anyone have thoughts on FormerFish? I don't have enough there.
There's not enough on Fitz for me, so I'm not sure where that town read is coming from. Someone care to explain? I'll also go through their ISO. They're been on VLA so I don't really recall much from them.

Why is Key town?
Fitz and Rat were the two most animated as far as pushing thoughts on plans go. It's been said before, I don't see mafia trying to garner that much attention early on. Reason I like Nos too, his early antics were begging for votes, so prob not scum either.

I cant stand the too scummy to be scum defense of people. I knwo ive harped on this before, but I dont get it. Scum is going to do whatever they can to win, and if people are going to townread them for shit like that then why wouldnt scum do it?

[Nosferatu]

Like when I started to read them my brain went numb and next thing i knew i was onto the next post.

does it not make sense to you that the time you spent with your eyes glazed over was a waste of time?

[mozamis]

so your reads are formerfish?
quick breakdown, gut reads. So far you've provided a lot of info w/out analysis.

And as for Chick, I'm gonna bung in neutral. She's a pain in the arse, but pain- in- the- arses are so often town. However, i@ve played with her before, and she's good at scum, so she IS capable of this level of involvement.
Likwise wih Nos, rhough gut is tellling me he is town OMGUSing mw. I'm not entirely sure wqhy he doesnt like me, but he votes me inevery game we play. I think it's because i dared to tell him to post more when we were scum together once. My guess is his ego couldmnt handle that, and I'm now on hs blacklist lol
Whatver. He's still prob town tho. If we need an end dfay lurker lynch though, he could be a candidate, since he's a borderline troll.
IAI looks quite good, but he always does, so fuck knows.

[Aubrey]

This kinda feels like it could be a message hidden in plain sight. LIke Aub could be telling Allo to get his ass in the scum pr and read up before he says any other stupid shit.

Are you trying to say he and I are scum trying to fake not knowing about day talk independently, and I'm bitching at him for trying the gambit after I did? If so, wouldn't that be the funniest shit and amazingly timed.

Yes? No? I havent decided yet? Maybe this is just somethin I needed to point out for myself so that later I can look back and give it more or less credence based of future events.

I like this post, kinda makes me lean more towards town after everything thats been said. Could this be a bus vote though?

.....Soooo scum me is bitching at scum Allo, and later scum us are bitching at scum Nos, while scum Nos is then in retaliation bitching at scum Allo. Look at that triangle of scum distancing. Do you really think scum would be thaaaat hell bent on creating distance? Come on.

If you guys think you needed to distance from each other what better way than that?

Okay. Being suspicious of me I can deal with, but your paranoia is reaching to all sorts of new levels with that last one if you're really contemplating that.

[Chickadee]

so your reads are formerfish?
quick breakdown, gut reads. So far you've provided a lot of info w/out analysis.

And as for Chick, I'm gonna bung in neutral. She's a pain in the arse, but pain- in- the- arses are so often town. However, i@ve played with her before, and she's good at scum, so she IS capable of this level of involvement.
Likwise wih Nos, rhough gut is tellling me he is town OMGUSing mw. I'm not entirely sure wqhy he doesnt like me, but he votes me inevery game we play. I think it's because i dared to tell him to post more when we were scum together once. My guess is his ego couldmnt handle that, and I'm now on hs blacklist lol
Whatver. He's still prob town tho. If we need an end dfay lurker lynch though, he could be a candidate, since he's a borderline troll.
IAI looks quite good, but he always does, so fuck knows.

You also have only played with me as scum.

[mozamis]

"once bitten, twice shy"?

[Nosferatu]

Likwise wih Nos, rhough gut is tellling me he is town OMGUSing mw. I'm not entirely sure wqhy he doesnt like me, but he votes me inevery game we play. I think it's because i dared to tell him to post more when we were scum together once. My guess is his ego couldmnt handle that, and I'm now on hs blacklist lol
Whatver. He's still prob town tho. If we need an end dfay lurker lynch though, he could be a candidate, since he's a borderline troll.

If I didn't like you I'd just ignore your slot like I do with mollie. The fact that you need to try this hard to discredit my line of reasoning is indicative enough of your alignment.

if moz flips town, actually powerlynch me tomorrow.