TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[EddieFenix]

Will send my questions either late tonight or tomorrow. Keeping my answers to myself as well

[EddieFenix]

Before we start day one and roles are shuffled around/out, BULBA.... Day 1 truce?

[EddieFenix]

While I didn't make the question about vigs, I would find it funny for practically everyone to have a "vig shot" and with it, you could shoot your role elsewhere and be like I'M VT!! Now, I don't see the mod

actively

doing this, but playing a game where you can pass roles to different players would be pretty... Interesting and chaotic.

[EddieFenix]

Guess I should play more often at this point xD

[EddieFenix]

I'm ready to roll dice and chew assholes, and I'm all out of dice!

[EddieFenix]

Be safe and get out of Irma's path, Bulb

[EddieFenix]

start day 1 pls

if this works lol

[EddieFenix]

Alright, if Dream's thing is going to be posting in Shakespeareian the whole game, I can get used to that and enjoy it rather quickly. Especially with rhyming, expertly with timing.

[EddieFenix]

I'm never voting Dreamerz. The entertainment from the restrictions is going to be fun to watch them work around.

[EddieFenix]

Wait, what did you do exactly, Ali?

[EddieFenix]

WTF Lycan.......?

[EddieFenix]

Hi Ali. I get to have teeth pulled today

[EddieFenix]

Good news! I didn't have to get 2 teeth pulled today!! Bad news... I have to get 14 pulled in 1 shot for a top palate denture ^.- (I'm fucking insane, but it is necessary to be done for better teeth health for me. Always brush y'all)

[EddieFenix]

@Vecan Da Grimmy Goons

@Lycan, cam you provide an answer to why you posted that.... Rather odd rant?

[EddieFenix]

Im already preparing you for tomorrow, when ill have a similair posting restriction to what snarky has right now.

But your point is taken

Wait, you're going to have a post restriction as well?

Does anyone else have a post restriction at this point? I know we have Snarky and Dreamerz confirmed, so that's 2 at least.

[EddieFenix]

Bulb, why the PL on Mulch?

Mulch, Why is Screen scum?

Y'all need to back up off my Shakespearean rhyming entertainment, damn it!

[EddieFenix]

DAMN IT, I HAVE A FEELING I KNOW WHO TOBY IS!!

Aronis... is that you?

[EddieFenix]

Lycaaaaaaaan, still waiting on an explanation to my question

[EddieFenix]

How do you know this, Mario?

[EddieFenix]

Toby's not even on the first page player list, so I don't think we realistically need to focus on that person posting. Not sure 100%, buuuut if push comes to shove and for some reason they -have- to be lynched, with fire we lynch of course.

So, if anything, besides Aronis (imo that's who Toby is), who could Toby be?

[EddieFenix]

Alright Dream, what gives one the thought for multi-ball? Bulb, mind giving me some more info on why Lycan?

[EddieFenix]

Just want to say up front as well, thank you to people for not spamming the shit out of the thread for the last 2 days and making it to where when I come back to the thread, the catch up is manageable and not, "jesus tap dancing christ, why!!!!!". I've been busy af. So, y'all are much appreciated. Also, Bulb, I'll trust you.

Vote Lycanfire

[EddieFenix]

Ok I'm caught up:

Acceptable votes at the moment:

EddieFenix
Bulbazak
MarioMcSquirrelface

This is a comprehensive list

You're gonna need to explain why you have this "comprehensive" list. It's really flimsy. Bulb is doing what I expect him to do as town, so I have good vibes that he's town, I'm currently taking time to ask questions so I can sort. And Mario? Wut? Why?

p-edit:

He's posting elsewhere it's pretty scummy mr bard

So I post in a game that I was originally signed up for that went down suddenly/randomly, doesn't take me but like... A minute to do before catching up here and WOOP! SCUM SCUM SCUM ALERT!!! That's REACHING for "this person is scum, lynch them". I will not stand for flimsy logic and reaching of that pathetic of levels. You better step your game up if you really wanna dance.

He's too panicky. It makes me think the Wish Granter is likely not real. And even if it is, I don't care enough to keep Mulch alive.

No shit it's not real omg why is this a post

Dreal literally asked me why I was voting Mulch in the post before this one.

Eddie takes time to develop. If he's not producing content by the midpoint of d2, then I agree that we lynch him with fire.

Also, I strongly disagree with one of your early townreads.

P-edit: That's a lie, Chess. This is the only game Eddie's playing in, and I just double checked his posting on site, and the only non-game post was him /inning into Paint Mafia.

This is the one person in this game that knows my meta to a tee. He's good at reading me.

Maybe the meta has changed in my absence but you don't join another game if you're failing to produce any content in the one you're in.

Unless you know you rolled scum and you hate being scum

You have no idea the type of player I am, I am honestly perfectly content with having multiple games because really, it's not hard to play mafia. You don't have to sit on any site 24/7 to produce content or be "properly active".

Eddie doesn't hate being scum. In fact, he's cocky enough to think he's good at it.

He's got the cocky part right. I -love- being scum.

If my vote is needed for a bulb lynch, I'll go there. However, I'm still really interested in a Toby lynch. Also now, really interested in a Gin lynch.

Why Toby?

[EddieFenix]

Actually I lied I'll add one thing

This is classic mad he's being suspected for the "wrong reasons"

Won't respond to "why these people are scum" and I take every argument you throw in my direction and throw it to the floor because flimsy logic as well as lying.

[EddieFenix]

If my vote is needed for a bulb lynch, I'll go there. However, I'm still really interested in a Toby lynch. Also now, really interested in a Gin lynch.

Why Toby?

Because it's easy and helps her to avoid giving a stance on any other player. In fact, here's a challenge Eddie: Go through Chickadee's ISO once game starts and see if you can find her giving any stances on anything other than mechanics or Toby.

sigh

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, Captain Obvious. But that's not the point of my asking "Why Toby". I honestly want a more solid answer than something like...

@ Chess, just to see what happens. But I have reasons

[EddieFenix]

*theorizes some more*
tobe = possibly a recruitable traitor

What makes you think this?

[EddieFenix]

He is openly trolling.

They're not even on the active player list!

[EddieFenix]

welcome to TBD Mafia 2:

[INSERT SEQUEL SUBTITLE HERE]

! here's a list of players:

1. Srceenplay
   
2. randomidget
   
3. Not_Mafia
   
4. Chickadee
   
5. Desperado
   
6. SnarkySnowman
   
7. SlySly
   
8. acidphoenix
   chesskid3
   
9. EddieFenix
   
10. Bulbazak
    
11. Vecna
    
12. drealmerz7
    
13. MarioManiac4
    
14. Mulch
    
15. WhyMafia
    mastina
    
16. Dunkerdoodles
    
17. LycanFire
    
18. ActionDan
    
19. Vaxkiller

the following players are still alive:

Spoiler: living players

1. Srceenplay
   
2. randomidget
   
3. Not_Mafia
   
4. Chickadee
   
5. Desperado
   
6. SnarkySnowman
   
7. SlySly
   
8. chesskid3
   
9. EddieFenix
   
10. Bulbazak
    
11. Vecna
    
12. drealmerz7
    
13. MarioManiac4
    
14. Mulch
    
15. mastina
    
16. Dunkerdoodles
    
17. LycanFire
    
18. ActionDan
    
19. Vaxkiller

the following players are no longer alive:

Spoiler: dead players

important game events:

1. beginning of day 1/votecount 1.01
   
2. votecount 1.02
   
3. votecount 1.03
   
4. votecount 1.04
   
5. votecount 1.05
   
6. mastina replaces WhyMafia
   
7. votecount 1.06
   
8. chesskid3 replaces acidphoenix
   
9. votecount 1.07
   
10. votecount 1.08

At any point, is there a Toby listed? Y/N? If yes, please get your eyes/head checked. If no, please put your vote somewhere useful.

[EddieFenix]

Votes for them clearly count.

I don't like the Bulbazak lynch. I don't think he's "playing dumb"- regardless of if you agree with him his stances seem realistic enough.

If anything, IF there were enough votes for yes for the mod to to have the ability to lie, then they can lie about the vote count and player Toby being a player. Honestly, do we really need to "test" the theory of Toby being a player and the mod having the ability to lie day 1?

[EddieFenix]

"Let's start up a fresh wagon at crunch time!

Unvote. Vote Eddie Fenix" - Chesskid

Unvote. Eddie's true vote: Lycanfire

Bulb, I'm trusting you 100% on Lycan. You wanna help string up Chesskid day 2? I have a very strong feeling that is scum.

[EddieFenix]

You wanna help string up Chesskid day 2? I have a very strong feeling that is scum.

Ya think? I don't think he thought anyone would call him out on that "Posting elsewhere" lie. Chess has been here long enough that he knows exactly what that implies. There's no way that wasn't dishonest.

P-edit: I can think people are scum for different reasons and not think they're connected. Seriously. This is basic stuff, Chess.

Oh no, I was going to NAIL that in my catch-up in-case anyone missed it because that's some

serious

stretched bollocks right there and we both know I don't care for that sort of bollocks. Even if the case could be made against me as it would look like I am being "defensive" about something like that. Logic rules all once the dust settles in the end.

I mean I get this game probably has a ton of third parties who don't care who gets lynched but FUCK there is some serious apathy up in here. Where I come from, that's scummy.

And where I come from, blatantly lying is scummy, manipulative, and a desperate attempt at grabbing straws to justify bad reasoning. Lynch-able offense as well

Ok duel iso'd bulbs and lycan and I think Bulbs is town, there's a couple of paragraph posts that are fluid and ring true to me. lycan more unreadable than anything but I'd vote him over bulb definitely. I do want to say that I really dislike the way you played wrt dreal and not being quite on the up and up. I can understand that play style and exaggerating a read like that but the rest of us get those 5 pages of what looks like garbage instead of if you were just being honest from the start.

Anyway, while reading I picked up on 958 in bulbs iso and I found that post scummy. It's a short D1 and both lycan and bulb were main wagons (granted neither had too many votes but still). It's a rather shallow read of the situation.

Oh also, Chesskid is town.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

"I'd vote X over Y but by the end of this post I'm going to vote Q." Come on, Dan. Gut says you're town, but this makes makes me scratch my head a bit

[EddieFenix]

You were trying to get a lynch in the most underhanded manner possible and hoping no one would notice.

Man what? People can look at posting history's for themselves.
I stated, factually, that he was posting on site. See evidence: his post.

He also had not posted for a long time in thread when I posted this. Time uncertain because IDGAF but I read the thread and it didn't contain enough Eddie for my liking. Fact #2

So it's great and all and he came in, and if he was townposting that's the end of that. So he's not.

You act like someone says "X is posting elsewhere" and everyone else just abandonds logic and quicklynches them. What was that you said about me? Stop playing dumb? Well call me rubber because ur glue.

Eddie, as a player and person, is a VERY busy individual. In the last month alone, Eddie has not had a day off to just sit down and rest/relax until YESTERDAY (30 days of basically running around doing errands and shit, it's a long list of fuck all and I don't feel like I

NEED

to explain why I wouldn't be completely around 24/7 365) and I'm starting to get a sinus cold from the feel of it, fact.

Like, i can understand smacking my dental posts. That's fine. But if anything, I've been more so asking questions of people to get a better understanding on things, as well as trying to find their intent behind it. Am I focusing on certain players when I ask those questions? Yes. However, I'm also paying attention to what everyone else is doing. I don't -need- to be super aggressive with my hunting style. I prefer the laid back, watch things, and THEN leap approach. Especially on day 1 because a lot of the time, unless it's INCREDIBLY obvious, you're not catching scum day 1. I've lived with that fact since I've been playing the game off and on for 9 years now

I also know how Eddie thinks and how he meant that. That was confusion.

Because "there's 2 people who are on the chopping block. I'll vote one over the other, but instead of voting said person, let me go THIS direction instead." Like, what?! Why?! Vaxx, as far as I am concerned, is neutral right now and was going to be a priority sort day 2.

And if he does start to prepare his way to go after Dan, I'll grab the rope myself.

I'd be a fool to mistrust my gut at this stage in my life. You won't need to grab the rope.

[EddieFenix]

There's 4 ways this ends, Sly. You dead, Bulb dead, Lycan dead, 4th person yet to be determined because swingy wagons dead. Who all do you see as scum and why?

[EddieFenix]

@Mastina, I think you can trust Bulb and plant your votes on Lycan. When he gets a read, you know he doesn't let it go til he gets what he wants.

[EddieFenix]

@Mastina, I think you can trust Bulb and plant your votes on Lycan. When he gets a read, you know he doesn't let it go til he gets what he wants.

Can I blame him if it turns up wrong?
VOTE: Lycanfire x2.

I think we both can

[EddieFenix]

I'm waiting for Mastina, tbh.

I'm skimming the happenings since my last post and for the most part, all I'm really thinking is, "Yep. These sure are words."

I think the issue is that I lack the proper context combined with me skimming so most of what people're saying is going over my head.
Do feel like splitting my votes thisaway though,
VOTE: ActionDan, but if I had to give you a reason it'd be...well, you know how normally, I say "I'd hate to call it gut because that implies it's ONLY gut", in that I'll get a read which is stronger than gut but I call it gut for lack of a better term?

...This is the inverse. Where I'd hate to call it gut because that implies it's of a strength worthy of being called gut.

I'll try to give you some proper thoughts when I have read the thread properly.

It always amazes me how mastin can post so many words that essentially say "I don't have reads, I haven't read the game, here's a random vote"

With the amount of time you invested into typing all that I'm sure you had the opportunity to at least iso Sly/Lycan/Bulb and read not just for tone, but for understanding and context.

Looking back on Eddie's iso what pinged me was that the posts just felt cringey to me, which is simply NAI. But as for the questions that Eddie has asked and claimed that would help him evaluate the players, while I recognize that early in the game one has to start somewhere, I see almost no merit to any of them. There's no followup, and no reads espoused based on their answers unless eddie is keeping that to himself. I wouldn't even have minded the "'I trust you bulb', vote: Lycanfire" post were it not for the absolute lack of independent thought prior.

I've been keeping things to myself for the most part. It's also why I called Bulb captain obvious when he mentioned to iso Chickadee.

I like watching people the first day. Night one is when I normally go back over things to make sure my reads still feel right and then day 2 is when I start poking.

[EddieFenix]

Damnit I want a claim!

I did-ish

Where? What post? Please show your homework

[EddieFenix]

Damnit I want a claim!

I did-ish

Where? What post? Please show your homework

No.

Then what you're claiming at this point is a non-claimed claim

[EddieFenix]

No to the desperado wagon

[EddieFenix]

unvote

Alright, so can someone dig into the deeper details as to -why- they think Bulb is scum (given his wagon is the highest at the moment), OTHER than Bulb himself? I get his brashness can be a pain in the ass at times, buuuuuuuuut I'd really like to see the case for the why side of things....

[EddieFenix]

No to the desperado wagon

Why? Also, why shoulden't I scumread you right now? Give me 3 towny things you've done this game.

I'm asking questions
Trying to understand player motivation(s)
Willing to answer any and all questions thrown my way

Now, give me 3 townie things you've done this game.

[EddieFenix]

No to the desperado wagon

Why? Also, why shoulden't I scumread you right now? Give me 3 towny things you've done this game.

I'm asking questions
Trying to understand player motivation(s)
Willing to answer any and all questions thrown my way

Now, give me 3 townie things you've done this game.

How is asking questions town indicative, give examples of you analyzing player motivation, why is answering questions town indicative?

You wouldn’t do questions as scum?

As scum, I'd be more indicative to lurk and be lazy in my doing of things/deeds.

Asking/answering questions is town indicative for me because I get a better understanding of the player, their mindset, and where their motivations lie.

One of the biggest examples I can give of analyzing a player and their motivation is to point directly at Bulb. I know his playstyle and his motivations for playing as brash as he does. Him playing fast and loose this day is a bit new to me, however it is rather welcoming to see him try something new for a change. Most of the reads for him have come up as scum, and if anything, knowing him, he's currently in his town meta state. Now, that's not to say that the read can't/won't change down the line because there are a couple of posts/things that have my attention. However, for now though, I'm going to go with town Bulb.

I've noted Bulbs case against Chickadee as well as I have been paying attention to Chickadee throughout the game. Early on and throughout most of the day, Chick has had a good bit of fluff and mechanical discussion posts. Her most recent post on why she has Bulb as a scum read does feel genuine to me. Current feel is null but leaning town).

Chesskid has scum written all over them. You don't come in and try and to fluff a case based on lies and bullocks.

Now, again, I ask of you to give me 3 townie things you've done.

[EddieFenix]

Lycan drops a wall probably meant for GD. Eddie asks about it, doesn't seem to get a satisfying answer, and possibly drops it. What did you get out of that exchange, Eddie?

Bulbazak v dreamer v Lycan wasn't as interesting as hoped. Dreamer comes off town at least.

Why is Bulba defending Eddie from chesskid. Eddie is clearly one of the best lynch options at this time. "wait until day 2" is yucky here.
Chesskid has joined Dreamer to form the Army of Sanity and Justice.

Every time I'm considering not pushing Eddie out of the airlock he goes and does something like 1142

Who or what is GD? Like, I figure AD is ActionDan, but GD has me thrown for a loop. I need clarification for a proper response to your question.

Bulb covered the defending part.

As for 1142, I have my moments. I should do that more often, I know, but I tend to weigh on being the "nice guy" when playing games like mafia.

[EddieFenix]

GD=General Discussion

With that information, I can answer better now. The post felt so far out of left field, I figure "alright, ask about what the fuck" was going thru Lycan's head when posting about it here in the scum game. Didn't -really- get anything meaningful from it, best to just take note of it and if something like that came from Lycan again, be sure to poke again at another time.

Also, Bulb, now that Lycan is gone, care to explain why/what exactly made you go after them now?

[EddieFenix]

Also, Bulb, now that Lycan is gone, care to explain why/what exactly made you go after them now?

Pressure.

............that's it?

[EddieFenix]

................................................................................................................................

That feeling you get when you realize Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy aren't all real at the same time.... You're left with that hollow feeling of wanting more and then a huge wave of disappointment comes to wash it all down....

[EddieFenix]

And that's when you drink.

I can't because of my crazy meds

[EddieFenix]

Gimmie some time to think about it and I'll get back to you. Cause there's a lot to think about.

[EddieFenix]

So what did you think of all that stuff that happened around that wagon?

"I got a plan! Trust me! I can't reveal why I am doing this just yet. Just trust me, I know what I'm doing"

-1 replace later-

"It was for pressure"

-mrw I think Bulb has this elaborate plan and it turns out to just be not much of anything at all-



Like, let me get this right, you ran up a wagon on Lycan.... Got people to move and maneuver, fought for the wagon, heck I even talked to Mastin about leaping on because I trusted your judgment call on it and was willing to hear out this big old, elaborate plan come day 2 as to why you ran it up. To find out..... After Lycan replaced out..... It was for pressure............

Just want to say up front as well, thank you to people for not spamming the shit out of the thread for the last 2 days and making it to where when I come back to the thread, the catch up is manageable and not, "jesus tap dancing christ, why!!!!!". I've been busy af. So, y'all are much appreciated. Also, Bulb, I'll trust you.

Vote Lycanfire

I'm a bit curious about this relationship. Is this "I'll trust you" a towntell from Eddie? Unsure.

Like, I'm trusting that Bulb has an elaborate plan... Thinking he's being genius and then it's.... juuuuuuust pressure... Just.....



Like.... Here's the thing.... This for Bulb mainly.... I don't believe it was "just pressure". Cause there's no way you go off the reservation like that for -just pressure-. Like, I at least have faith you were doing it for some VCA or at least wagon analysis. It's why I keep dropping the eye twitch gif because it's just like.....

[EddieFenix]

V/la til Monday afternoon/evening. Emergency Family CPS (Child Protective Services) extraction dropped into my lap.

[EddieFenix]

No, I'm just pulling your dick.

Please stop. It hurts. I don't care that I go "woo woo" every time you tug.

Firstly, thank you two for this exchange. I laughed my ass off when this happened.
Secondly, I'm on baby/daddy duty until CPS decides to place the baby I have with his 3 brothers. He's family, kid/babies comes first, so I'll be doing catch-up posts HOPEFULLY starting at around 9 pm est until said transfer is made. So, expect walls when I do post. If you'd like them spoiler'd, please say so in an @ manor and I will happily oblige because I can see it.
Third, @Dreal, for real on Bulb? Cause I had my suspicions, but I don't want to jump the gun.
Fourth @ Desperado: Chesskid and Chickadee for sure. #3, I need more time to think on.
Fifth... Profit? Don't know. Will be back tomorrow!

[EddieFenix]

{b] Vote Zoe [/b]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMN. IT. ALL!! I wanted Bulb alive!!! I knew he was town by his postings.
I have a feeling there's a bus driver now and Bulb got smashed by a casualty. Or, someone can muck with the cops ability to read. Not sure what kind of person or ability does that, but at this rate, it has to exist.
@Dreal, Are you sure your scan didn't get mucked with? Because I have a feeling it did.
@Desperado, you know Bulbs aggressive town play, why shoot him?
@Bulb, I know you'll read this at some point, YOU! You shouldn't have shot Mulch! Bad vig shot mate. Should have went for Chess or Chickadee.
@Toby Keeping my box!
@Alie and Mastina, you two wanna get with me and string some scum up? Avenge Bulb to the fullest extent!

[EddieFenix]

*

Vote Zoe

[EddieFenix]

wait.... wat?!

[EddieFenix]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMN. IT. ALL!! I wanted Bulb alive!!! I knew he was town by his postings.

No word to that effect in your post when he was under threat of being shot

I think Eddie just showed up lol

-points to Alisae- I have a family emergency, dropped into my lap baby to take care of at the moment, and he takes up MOST of my day. Yesterday, he took up ALL of my day due to mommy dearest getting to visit him under CPS care and her giving him 2 tiny Pop Rock candies and him having a tummy ache to FUCK the entire bedtime routine that has been set up since he's been in our care that I had to rock him to sleep in my arms. The fact that I'm not sitting in a jail cell somewhere because I carved the cunts eyeballs out as slowly and as painfully as possible as I could AFTER giving the father the Bob Barker treatment without anesthetic shows that right now, I've been given

SOME

patience.

But, if you go back thru my iso, you'll see that I've been one of Bulbs biggest fans of him being town with me having a few minor mentioning's that pinged me, but nothing TOO major that made me say, that's scumazak.

[EddieFenix]

Double Vote: Drealmerz

You were fun day 1, but that cop on Bulb that got him vig'd leaves me unhappy.

[EddieFenix]

@Mastin: If you're town, I want you to get with Eddie and avenge my death. Work with Marble, too. If the three of you put your heads together, you should be able to figure this game out.

I'm more than willing.

Problem is whether they will work with me.

I can masonize one of them (they're prolly the closest I have to townreads), but there's the whole reads-massively-conflict problem to deal with.

I am most certainly willing to work with you, Mastina. Talk to me and I'll answer what I can, when I can. However, I do need to address some of your posts.

GOD. FUCKING. DAMN. IT. ALL!! I wanted Bulb alive!!! I knew he was town by his postings.

No word to that effect in your post when he was under threat of being shot

While this isn't really right (Eddie was clear about having at least north of null impressions on Bulbazak), the sentiment expressed is valid enough. Eddie Cane had plenty of time to express this townread and try to dissuade the vig shot. He didn't do so.

I didn't even know it was happening AT ALL. My last post before catching up to see Bulb was shot, was Wednesday night at 11:38 my time (est). Thursday was a VERY busy day (in-game as well) with dealing with a CPS appointment, taking 3 kids and going out to lunch, other errands, and then a toddler with an upset stomach that night because the kids mom is a complete fucktard and I had to walk and rock him for an hour and 15 minutes past his usual bed time. As soon as I got lil man to bed and I cooled my rage, I was exhausted mentally and emotionally, I can't even remember what I did the rest of that night other than rage on Twitter about Mike Glennon.

Had I been able to check in at any point before the vig stuff happened, I would have been in this thread, chest deep in a hell storm of posting, trying to dissuade Desperado to NOT shoot Bulb because Bulb was my biggest ally to hunt scum with.

Double Vote: Drealmerz

You were fun day 1, but that cop on Bulb that got him vig'd leaves me unhappy.

Does hardclaiming cop with no retraction make dreal scum? Fuck no. It's the opposite.

Does you voting him without really scumhunting make you scum?
Quite possibly.

WHY CAN'T I GET TOWNREADS
I SWEAR TO GOD I CAN SCUMHUNT NORMALLY

He's -claiming- cop with no retraction. Issue being here is that, IF he's the cop, there's something out there that mucked him up and he gets a strong/loud town player vig'd. The vig is cleared as town as far as I am concerned. No one better vote Desperado going forward.

If he's NOT the cop (Dreal), which I have a good feeling that he's not, then the true cop is keeping their head down intelligently and knows to just let things pan out so when they do get a proper hit, they pop their head up and go "SCUM!", we rope it and then hope they live long enough to give us another scan.

Right now, I'm going to pick up Bulbs list, cross check with mine, and see where things fall. When we hydra, we have dissonance, but when we link up, we're terrifying.

The first person on that list of scum right now from Bulbs list for me is Drealz. Now, imma go get a bit more Z's. Got a full slate of little man time today.

[EddieFenix]

I have no interest in lynching dunker today. He has the bulbatown broken record towntell and has been generally forthright.
I think snarky has the best scumodds right now? Mario is still reading both ways.
VOTE: Snarky (both votes)
Mastin why do you have Snarky as town?
I don't think you should base reads on Zoe-Zelda but looking at the game in as many ways as possible is good.

You think Snarky has the best scumodds? Not the person who got the Bulba shot and had a murder boner for him day 1?

[EddieFenix]

dont think snarky is a good lynch here.

Agreed.

Screenplay, your box has a carrot

HAND IT OVER

Done

That moment it doesn't have the carrot....

specificly I want Llama ded right now but I can't have ded llamas sadisae

If you are secretly trying to keep me alive, bless you <3

I'll be really disappointed in myself if D7 is scum.
Mastin peddles too much nonsense for me to accept "reasons"
I think Vecna and Snarky are both scum. Possibly with Mastin!
I was very much not a fan of "lynch llamarble before he becomes too obviously town" from Vecna and Mastin together.
And if ever there were an antidote to a scum doublevoter in lylo, it would be making them hated. Sorta turns lylo into a race, but I wouldn't put that past a game with this many survivors.

Spoiler: Behold: Theatre

VOTE: slysly

VOTE: slysly

The more I stare at this, the more I realize that judging these wagons by whatever probable town/scum values sly is giving to the wagons' participants to determine some sort of composition metric makes no objective sense.

The rest of the iso is quote walls with barely anything tangible in them.

VOTE: SlySly

I'm ok with a Vax wagon. I will also join the Sly wagon.

Unvote

Vote: SlySly

woo new wagon
VOTE: slysly

Okay so like.
I haven't read the thread.
I haven't ready anyone's reasons for a SlySly read one way or another.
I haven't really read SlySly at all.
So I don't really have a read one way or another on SlySly.
Meaning that sure this wagon could be driven by town and be on scum.
But.

I'm pretty sure this wagon is objectively awful? Like. Every vote is worse than the last. Mulch's vote is probably good. randomidget's is probably okay. ActionDan's vote is bad, chesskid's vote is worse, Dunkerdoodle's vote is even worse. So if people wanna get me to vote SlySly. I gotta say. Right now I'm heavily inclined to disincline.

That being said

, regardless of SlySly's alignment and REGARDLESS of the wagon's composition (all town, largely scum, mostly town with one scum, etc.), I just have to bring this up:

I think SlySly just isn't looking at everything. I think that's lynch bait.

RED FLAG^.

sly is bait

Maybe flag?

6 players voting for Lycanfire (Vaxkiller, Bulbazak, EddieFenix, Desperado, Vecna, MarioManiac4)
5 players voting for Bulbazak (drealmerz7, Lycanfire, Not_Mafia, Srceenplay, Chickadee)
5 players voting for SlySly (Mulch, Dunkerdoodles, randomidget, ActionDan, chesskid3)
2 players voting for Vecna (mastina, mastina)
2 players voting for Toby Determined (SnarkySnowman, SlySly)
1 player voting for Serious Vote (Toby Determined)

So like. The SlySly wagon kinda sorta feels like it's a counter to Lycanfire. I'd be tempted to say it's a counter to Bulbazak if not for both Lycanfire and Chickadee's presence on Bulbazak.

But this is probably wildly off-base. I wouldn't put any stock into it without more research.

RE: 2228, it might seem a bit unfair, but to those who were Not Voting, they get counted as BOTH voting-Zelda and voting-Zoe for the purposes of the division.
Is-Zelda = A
Is-Zoe = B
Guessed-Zelda = C
Guessed-Zoe = D
Voted-Zoe = E
Voted-Zelda = F

TRIPLE COMBO STACK(s):

ACE: ActionDan, Vecna?, randomidget, chesskid3, Llamarble (+EddieFenix)
BDF: Dunkerdoodles
---
ACF: Desperado (+EddieFenix, ??Vecna??)
ADE: Screenplay
ADF: None that I can see. (So, nobody is a Zelda who guessed Zoe and voted Zelda.)
BCE: (+SnarkySnowman)
BCF: Chickadee, drealmerz7 (+SnarkySnowman)
BDE: MarioManiac4

Did I do my calculations correctly here?
Because I just gotta say. Regardless of scum distribution that ACE pile looks suspicious.

We know that it can't be an exact scumteam mirror since the only inverse-ACE is Dunkerdoodles.
A_Es are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble
B_Fs are Dunkerdoodles/Chickadee/drealmerz/SnarkySnowman.
If the scumteam split in two, this is the most likely way they did so.

AC_s are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble/Desperado/EddieFenix
BD_s are Dunkerdoodles/MarioManiac4. This even split isn't impossible, but is less likely. Were there a split featuring these two, it'd likely be part of a larger multi-split.

_CEs are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble/EddieFenix/SnarkySnowman
_DFs are Dunkerdoodles. This can't be an even split; if this is a split, then it is part of a larger multi-split.

I don't quite have the head to calculate multi-splits. (In which the scumteam actively chose to distribute themselves differently at different points: voting a certain way for Being, voting a certain different way for Guessing, and voting a third way for the votecount today.)
But this covers most of the basics. Scumteam this game is going to be 4-8 players, probably 4-6 more realistically. If the scumteam has four/six members and went for common distributions, then they can have:
-All eggs in ACE basket
-Even split in A_E/B_Fs
-Even split in AC_s/BD_s (requires 4-man scumteam AND both Dunkerdoodles/MarioManiac4 as scum; unlikely)
-One ACE, one BCF, one ACF, remainder distributed in BDF/ADE/BCE/BDE
-Two ACE, two BCF (+remainder distributed in ACF/ADE/BDE)

...Maybe others, but I can't think of all the common distributions.
This only covers the common distributions though. It's fully possible to do a random-distribution, i.e., the scum either didn't coordinate, coordinated only partially on this and not on all three steps, didn't have all scum follow the plan (hey it happens), or simply coordinated in such a way that there was no obvious pattern to be found.

Did I mention this post is currently useless? Because yeah it's pretty worthless right now but I have faith that this information can later down the line crack the scumteam wide open. We just need to get there first.

Srceenplay
randomidget
Not_Mafia
Chickadee
Desperado
SnarkySnowman
Llamarble
chesskid3
EddieFenix
Vecna
drealmerz7
MarioManiac4
mastina
Dunkerdoodles
ActionDan
Playerlist.

Srceenplay
randomidget
Chickadee
Desperado
Llamarble
chesskid3
EddieFenix
Vecna
MarioManiac4
Dunkerdoodles
ActionDan
Playerlist, minus the people I know/think to be town.

Desperado
Srceenplay
randomidget

Vecna
EddieFenix
Llamarble
ActionDan
MarioManiac4

Chickadee
chesskid3
Dunkerdoodles

Playerlist, minus the people I know/think to be town, separated into three categories none of which are town:
The top category is the category of "Nothing they've done has strongly made me think scum but nothing they've done has made me really think town, either". Basically null, with some ambivalence mixed in.

The middle category is the "mixed bag" category of "total ambivalence". It is the category of people who sometimes are town and sometimes are scum.

The bottom category is the "consistently scum" category, in that it's the closest I have to actual reads and they're scumreads.

Soyeah. This? This is not a fucking readslist.
This is me internally crying.

Mastina is a solid town read, as are you to me. Leave Mastina be please and get on D7 .

[EddieFenix]

Alright.... Legit lost on the hurt/heal thing.....

[EddieFenix]

....hang on

Heal: Bulbazak

If this works... Bulb, I welcome you back.

[EddieFenix]

Mastina, can you please trust in me that trusts in the Bulb that wanted Dreal?

[EddieFenix]

bulb didn't want me, eddie

I mean, he wanted me to quit tunneling him, but he said he thought I was town

Also, Dreal's cop claim isn't real.

Town

Llamarble
ActionDan
Vecna
EddieFenix
Desperado

Null/Town

MarioManiac4
Srceenplay
Randomidget

Null

Mastina
Dunkerdoodles

Null/Scum

SnarkySnowman

Scum

Chickadee
Drealmerz7
Chesskid3

Anyway, Dreal, Chess, and Chickadee are scum for sure. Figure it out from there. I'll see about getting a reads list together.

I mean, I could keep going thru his ISO, buuuuuut this right here is a good start. More votes on Dreal please.

[EddieFenix]

I was hoping that Bulb would get the same post restriction as Dreal because him having to talk Shakespeare and rhyme would have been hilarious to me

[EddieFenix]

Oh my christ, I take a SUNDAY off for some D&D relaxation and come back to this.... WHY are we not voting Dreal? -rolling up news paper- We have 21 hours, and I'd like Dreals head on a pike please.

[EddieFenix]

Also, if we heal Bulb, that'd be GREAT as well.

[EddieFenix]

Oh my christ, I take a SUNDAY off for some D&D relaxation and come back to this.... WHY are we not voting Dreal? -rolling up news paper- We have 21 hours, and I'd like Dreals head on a pike please.

just because you're scum and want the cop dead, eh?

get on dunker and let's end the Day, eh?

"Cop". You claimed a guilty on one of the towniest players/reads I had and got them vig'd. I don't see you as cop. Sorry not sorry, I want you lynched with fire

[EddieFenix]

"Cop". You claimed a guilty on one of the towniest players/reads I had and got them vig'd. I don't see you as cop. Sorry not sorry, I want you lynched with fire

check my first fucking post once the game started, I crumbed there that I was cop

I made other hints at being a cop

holyfuck, man, you're just scum who wants the cop dead

"Cop". You claimed a guilty on one of the towniest players/reads I had and got them vig'd. I don't see you as cop. Sorry not sorry, I want you lynched with fire

check my first fucking post once the game started, I crumbed there that I was cop

I made other hints at being a cop

holyfuck, man, you're just scum who wants the cop dead

"I don't lie when I'm town"
"Bulb was calling me town before he died"

Anyway, Dreal, Chess, and Chickadee are scum for sure. Figure it out from there. I'll see about getting a reads list together.

Also, Dreal's cop claim isn't real.

Town

Llamarble
ActionDan
Vecna
EddieFenix
Desperado

Null/Town

MarioManiac4
Srceenplay
Randomidget

Null

Mastina
Dunkerdoodles

Null/Scum

SnarkySnowman

Scum

Chickadee
Drealmerz7
Chesskid3

I know Bulb, he's a sharp player and when we both click on a read, it's usually right. Also, if > restricted but never convicted < is your line for crumbing cop, I have some bad news for you.... It's a terrible crumb that can be overlooked because cops do get convicted. So logically, I'm not going to think twice on that being a good crumb. I'll have to go back over your iso over night as well to find your other "crumbs". Also, you're line of "you're just scum that wants the cop dead" is a load of garbage. I'm picking back up where Bulb left off. Which is why I'll be swapping my vote.

2x Vote SnarkySnowman

[EddieFenix]

my recollection was incorrect is all, that is not a lie

It's your "recollection" now that was incorrect? When you knew on day 1 that Bulb was scum reading you? He went full on heat on you. Then comes day 2, he calls you out some more and calls you scum more, you then go "OI! ME GOTS A GUILTY ON THE BULBZ!! I NEED A VIGGETH ON THINE HETHAN!!"

Shoot, bang, dead Bulb, Bulb flips town.
"Whoops, I got it wrong Bulb! Sorry! Must be a hidden... Insane... Modifier... With my role... -nervous laughter- But you know us cops though, we get it wrong sometimes, sorry you were a casualty from that" -attempts to sweep under rug as far as one can-
You HOPED the vig shot would end the day, which is anti-town af cause that would give scum a free kill.
Then THIS I will keep rubbing your nose in because anyone can ISO Bulb and watch his thought process/read on you.

bulb didn't want me, eddie

I mean, he wanted me to quit tunneling him, but he said he thought I was town

If you watch, Bulb at the START of day 1 called you town, but as the day went forward, his read FLIPPED to scum and stuck.