Micro 738: Fountain of Tired Souls [Endgame]

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Hey guys

What's shaking?

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VOTE: Impoetic

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I'm not really confident in my ability to metaread gerry. My impression is that he does this incredulous "gosh you're so ridiculous for scumreading me" shtick as both town and scum. No real read there yet.

Where I'm at with him right now too.

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Prod received.

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Don't appericate Gerry trying to call out low activity when he's known for it early on in games.

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Can someone talk to me about Nahdia?

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i'm here

Do you have any experience with them? What's their scum game like?

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Can someone talk to me about Nahdia?

Hi I have experience with nahdia. As town she replaces after a bit and as scum she doesn't.

Well..

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Prod received.

Ugh. I'm not sure why I'm not giving this game enough attention

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Can someone talk to me about Nahdia?

Hi I have experience with nahdia. As town she replaces after a bit and as scum she doesn't.

Hey now...

LUV, I can talk about me. I'm playing a lot more lax than I usually do because I'm back from a few month hiatus from mafia and I've got other stuff on my plate and also I just don't want to get quite as invested as I used to because this game seriously stressed me out at times.

Since you wanted to talk about me, what's your thoughts?

Slight townreads on osuka and Oggs rn, btw. Now watch them be the team.

Ah. Seems reasonable.

I had inquired because I thought you would be attempting to engage people way more than you have been based on the times we've talked in site chat.

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I think Gerry being confused or not reading the rules is NAI for him. I'd like a case not experience or meta based please.

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osuka, why are you self-voting?

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Me: what the fuck I've been-- oh I guess I haven't posted recently huh

This

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The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose.

also this tips me to it being multiball. just the wording

You know you can fake towntell all you'd like but you're not going to fool anyone with it.

Btw I wanted to hold onto this some more until more people would engage it but since nobody is and I can't think of anything else to post right now I might as well elaborate.

This post seems fine on the surface, right? It's a reasonable point to make. Except...

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There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

The game is mod-confirmed to be singleball, 2:7 at that. Therein enters the argument, "oh, but it must be a townslip then!". Seems fine, right? It seems like gerry responding to that particular game rule quirk and saying multiball when it's mod-confirmed singleball would be a townslip, right?

You'd think so, but let's go check out the post in question because therein enters a problem.

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The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

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For flavour purposes, Days will be refered to as Nights.

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Alignment was rolled before flavour and roles, as such Flavour is NAI.

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Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

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Daytalk is enabled for all.

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There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

...Don't see it?

...Okay, so let me make it more obvious then.

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The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

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For flavour purposes, Days will be refered to as Nights.

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Alignment was rolled before flavour and roles, as such Flavour is NAI.

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Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

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Daytalk is enabled for all.

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There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

Look at how close these two are together. (Don't believe me? Go to the post in question and check it out for yourself!) gerry suggested multiball by quoting the first, when the second is literally right below it. It's fake. gerry is scum, who was trying to fake a towntell. But there's no way he could have actually made that mistake.

But it wouldn't be a townslip, because him saying that as either alignment when it's mod-confirmed otherwise would mean he didn't know it was

confirmed

singleball, and

not

that he didn't know it was singleball; since the mistake is possible to make as scum, why pretend to make it?

Better question.

Why pretend to make it with the experience level in the room?

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To be honest I'm just really sure gerryoat's scum here and yet not sure how to go about convincing people.

He's just transparently not town in anything he's doing.

Unacceptable honestly.

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quick thoughts from class before i have time to actually catch up:

mastina makes walls and intricate connections that are sometimes borderline bullshit when pushing someone as town. I don't know if it's eddie posting a lot but i don't feel great about the hydra
gerry can be null for now. not sure how to read this slot because there's a lot of noise around it and i haven't given it enough attention
impoetic seems to have been tunneling gerry but given that i have zero experience with her, i don't really know what that means alignment-wise, if anything
lil uzi looks like he's riding the wave, but I could be mistaken here. I'll look better into his iso because something about this slot raises flags but I can't quite put a finger on what it is

I'd have parked my vote on Gerry if I was wave riding no?

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I have an idea but you would have to trust me here going into the Night. Or the Day in this case..

Who do you suspect is his partner? I'll be willing to help lynch there as I don't have a single town read and I'm not opposed to any lynch. I just like something solid because basically what you're telling me here is that Gerry is incapable of adjusting how he plays as scum to a player list that contains people who have a good amount of experience with him and can read him well.

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I'm not scum here, just not motivated because you're struggling to meet town half-way. Let's work to solve the rest of the game if you really believe this is scum Gerry.

I can do Oggs.

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So let's do Ari then. We can work out the rest Night 2.

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Gerry is incapable of adjusting how he plays as scum to a player list that contains people who have a good amount of experience with him and can read him well.

Yeah, and?

Is this really so surprising to you?

People like gerryoat are not as good at being scum as most people give them credit for.

The spampost/shitpost scumplay style relies on being overly active to give the illusion of something where there is nothing, but it has a huge drawback: it's something which if you take as your style, is very very very hard to adjust on the fly when an effective counter is found. Against people who don't know how to counter the spampost/shitpost scumplay, it can be effective in that they mistakenly assume posting = effort = town, when no part of that chain is actually true. (Posting != effort; Effort != town; Posting != town.) But when the spampost/shitpost scumplay encounters a person who knows better than to make that idiotic assumption...it doesn't work out. They have no counter because they skipped basic training, as it were. Adaptability IS a core skill for a scum player to have...but most spampost/shitpost scum players

don't actually have it

, and gerryoat is among them.

Honestly? Hard to say. Mainly because I don't know him personally. I've also been failing to recollect how he plays as both alignments. I know I've played with him as scum before though which is why I'm freaking out as we speak. Hell, we were even partners in one of those games and I can't for the life of me tell you why I'm not seeing the same things you're seeing here.

I guess my belief that every player is entitled respect might be clouding my judgement here. I'm just more confident looking elsewhere because if he's really caught scum, it's game over from my point of view.

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I'm not ignoring you Gerry. I just don't a see reason to entertain what doesn't have a realistic chance of going through today in Purple.

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Deadline battery ugh

I'll share my thoughts on it post-game but seeing it at 25% just now triggered me.

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This gerry is contributing fake-townslips, pushes he doesn't really believe in, a lot of OMGUS (look at the people he's voted and then look at the people who have voted him), shitposting/spamposting, and when he gives content it's nothing tangible, not even in a bad way.

first is gently a scumtell yea
2nd is a scumtell but can you back it up that he doesn't believe in them? (I'm guessing you're getting that from the unvote on impo?)
OMGUS is something town gerry does as well and does in spades
shitposting is something town gerry does rather than give content too at times
spamposting eh sure?
nothing tangible for content is usually town gerry

Like I love you but you almost made me want to unvote there.

What I find more pertinent is LUV not pushing the fake townslip when he deathtunneled me in civ for pre much the same.
Think I have LUV as more likely scum over gerry because that could be defending a townie or it could be defending a scumbud but i do think it's a scum luv.
Like I'm willing to help you lynch gerry if you really need that first but my preference is LUV rn.

Yeah I did deathtunnel you for that in Civ. And guess what? It got me nowhere. Why would I make the same mistake here with Gerry?

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I did because I recall the fake townslip in Civ being a lot worse and only coming from scum. I'm just saying it didn't get you lynched.

Thinking someone got quick lynched due to being unaware that the flavour means Days are referred to as Nights seems reasonable and him pointing out that it could be multi-ball is more damaging for scum in my opinion.

I'm not saying he isn't scum but I'm not sold Gerry would fake so much town slips with a quarter of the player list being able to read him.

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Don't force it.

Just replace out if you think you'll be too busy.

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This isn't my scum game Jae. Far from it.

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VOTE: XandrojX

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Who do you suspect is his partner?

I've been holding the read close to my chest but handguns to my head, I'd say Aristophanes/XnadrojX. Aristophanes I thought was playing to his scum meta: I didn't see the "bundleload of joy", in spite of him getting a role with flavor that he should have been ecstatic about. He lurked, and he gave nothing. What he

did

give was consistent defense of gerryoat the entire time, asking what that wagon was about and so on and so forth.

There are doubts there of course! Aristophanes did decide to have a specific quirk with his posting. He did decide to replace out so it's possible a town-him simply wasn't feeling it. He could have replaced out before he got into the game, and there are other notable slots (namely Nahdia) who have resisted joining the gerryoat wagon. But that's one reason why I've wanted the lynch on gerryoat because I have a role which could clear Aristophanes if we lynched gerry right now.

They also said this...

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Flip! Flip! Flip!

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You IDIOT. I'm not mafia and I can prove it. Do you legit hardclaim that report?

Read this in the funniest voice

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I lurk as either alignment so a little bit unsure why you checked me, Gerry

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I forgot this game was not only bastard, but role madness.

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I don't see a reason for Gerry as scum to check me to be honest.

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Or scum period unless they don't fear me being confirmed but I'm much better left as a potential mislynch.

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The problem is that this setup is bastard. You might be compulsive and forced to confirm someone regardless.

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What if Jae and mastina are scum?

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I don't see a reason for Gerry as scum to check me to be honest.

Okay, pop question for you.
Say Alisae gives scum a Sane Cop.

Do the scum not use the Sane Cop?
When it is a MOD-GIVEN ROLE to them?

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...Exactly. Scum use the role because it was a mod-provided role. It would be a role the mod gave them to use, and thus something they felt safe and secure in using. Targeting you, regardless of your alignment, works as good towncred. You're his scumbuddy, he is seen as instantly town for the rest of the game, drawing protections and thus being justified in not having died. You're town, he is still seen as instantly town for the investigation result, with the added benefit of having a scumbuddy so endgame can come earlier and with less risk. Regardless of your alignment, why the fuck

wouldn't

a scum-gerryoat with a cop role use it?

It was unnecessary in this case.

Half of the game was either null or not scum reading Gerry and there was signs of hydra dissanonce. Eddie has been on record saying he scum read osuka more than Gerry. There's a decent chance Gerry went into Night 2 thinking he wasn't getting lynched.

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I wouldn't say he'd town for the investigation result because there's always a why and I'd probably still be skeptical on why he had claimed to check me.

I would have checked Nahdia or Oggs to be honest.

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Don't think scum have a public cop to be honest but setup..

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Nahdia, who would you like to lynch today?

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Ugh, this is harder than it should be.

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It was unnecessary in this case.

It not being necessary does not equal it not being a viable action scum could use anyway. Scum have an action which looks town. Why the FUCK would they not use that action which looks town?

There's a decent chance Gerry went into Night 2 thinking he wasn't getting lynched.

Exactly why he would be sent to do the nightkill.

Why use it right away if they feel good about their position among town?

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I'm going to be honest here, from my position this could be a fake claim.

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Oh mod meta..

That might be the nail in the coffin.

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No I don't think it was town but I don't think it was scum

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I'll just spill.

I'm ascetic. I didn't claim in my first post incase scum or bad town got any funny ideas and decided to fake a guilty.

While this doesn't explain the no kill, it could suggest you're fake claiming here.

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Purple.

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I don't either.

Maybe we're dumb.

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I'm town

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You're not taking into account flavour. Very possible.

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Please don't claim

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Yeah I don't get that..

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Eddie, do you still think osuka is scum? Do you think both scum would pile and stay on you guys until end of day?

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WAIT I JUST REALIZED I'VE UNDERSTOOD THIS GAME WRONG. POSTING MORE = DRAINING BATTERY? I THOUGHT WE HAD TO POST MORE TO STOP THE METER FROM GOING DOWN LOL

lurking drains the battery
shitposting drains the battery

from my understanding.
so you want to post a decent amount, but post /content/ and not spamfuck the game bcuz I think one person posting too much in comparison to others might drain the battery? idunno the exact formula.

Annoying mechanic.

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First step is to stop scum reading me

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I mean I don't think you guys are fake claiming.

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Not backing off anything

I'm just trying to determine what's actually going on here.

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VOTE: JaeReed

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I'm just memeing.

Just baffling they're not trying to see it from my POV.

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I'm just memeing.

Just baffling they're not trying to see it from my POV.

why is your pov different from his?

my pov is gerry tried to kill someone and failed

gerrys pov is his kill got blocked and now he needs to escape a guilty

unless your gerrys partner or have a result, you two have the same pov

And mine is that the kill was stopped another way and that you two are fake claiming.

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Which I think is unlikely but I'd like to sit on it a bit more.

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My gut is telling me safest play is just to lynch Gerry.

My head wants to lynch in:

{Impoetic, Nahdia, Oggs, osuka}

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luv and impoetic

haha good game, nerds.

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You two said you were blocking Nahdia tonight?

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I think we lose if you're town here but it is what it is.

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My gut is telling me safest play is just to lynch Gerry.

My head wants to lynch in:

{Impoetic, Nahdia, Oggs, osuka}

you're right. the SAFEST PLAN is to lynch the CLAIMED PUBLIC COP.

my god, dude.

If he flips town we can just lynch Purple tomorrow.

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Jae, I told you to take into account flavour. Please don't do anything rash.

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It doesn't make sense because the OP literally states that this game bastard.

Also I even said I don't think they are fake claiming but how can you not see me being more suspicious if we lynch Gerry and if he flips town?

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I don't wanna full claim but a part me really wants to lynch outside of you two.

I don't like Nahdia just screaming not to lynch the cop and not trying to game solve. I want to hear from Oggs and osuka.

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It doesn't make sense because the OP literally states that this game bastard.

Also I even said I don't think they are fake claiming but how can you not see me being more suspicious if we lynch Gerry and if he flips town?

The rules also state that Ali and Torque aimed for balance.

Doesn't mean their definition of balance is the same as yours or that they succeeded.

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VOTE: Nahdia

Actually I think this is better. Unless until we hear from Oggs and osuka.

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I'm not scum. Seriously.

You can click my Wiki and pull up any one of my scum games. This isn't it.

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@luv what do you think happens when gerry flips town, assuming that is the case? What happens if he does not?

If he flips town, this game is going to go down to the wire. If he's scum, game over.

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Rip

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UNVOTE:

Yeah unless your my girlfriend, you're going to misread me more times than not.

Please move your vote Jae before the game gets toxic.

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Maybe.

Want to think a bit.

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Done thinking?

Not yet.

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no one wants to lynch luv, so I'm going for someone that I do still scumread somewhat that I think I'll get.
I'm not lynching Impoetic today.

You can't lynch me.

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jae, I can go for a luv lynch. i think there's a good chance the slot flips scum

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Let's try something.

I am a town PR. I will not say which. Say who you think I should target and why.

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Maybe. Maybe not

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Not sure why I'm being scum read to be honest.

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And?

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Not sure why I'm being scum read to be honest.

Gee, I wonder why.

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VOTE: JaeReed

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You either lynch in Gerry or Purple or lynch outside of them and me.

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I'm sorry if you have trouble reading me but I'm town here and you'll just have to get past that

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The theory that I would claim to save scum Gerry here is more idiotic than Purple possibly fake claiming.

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Don't wanna just spam and run the meter down but if it has to come to that it will.

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I can confirm if Purple at least targets someone tonight but that seems like a waste. However confirming that would be enough for me to write them off as town. If Gerry can clear himself, that'll be awesome as well.

Nahdia's frustration about not being able to get reads or whatever seemed genuine.

So if Gerry confirms himself as town and we find ourselves with another no kill Night 3, scum team is probably just Oggs slot and osuka. If we find ourselves with a kill I think the team is definitely just Impoetic and Jae and osuka. Probably the former rather than the latter since I really doubt Jae would forget to submit a kill here.

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Please don't block me.

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Why don't you wanna be blocked?

Because I'm town and can be useful.

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So you getting blocked will stop you from being useful?

Yes.

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If you were trying to catch me in some sort slip, keep in mind that I was hinting at my frustration of being blocked after what I already claimed.

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I'm being scum read for idiotic reasons and Purple blocking me would've caused me to just replace out.

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I just wanted to lynch outside of you and Purple today and Jae just decides to ruin everything

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I'm a tracker. I'll target Purple tonight to confirm they targeted someone.

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If Gerry can confirm himself and we can at least confirm Purple isn't fake claiming, that'll go a long way.

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Not going to out that.

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I don't even know what's going on right now.

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VOTE: osuka
changing action to blocking luv.

Eddie, LUV CLAIMED ASCETIC.
WE CAN'T BLOCK AN ASCETIC.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.
Back to blocking osuka.

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I can guarantee right now town loses if I get lynched today.

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It's all good.

I'm going to try to run the meter out anyway

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I don't get that vote at all to be honest.

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Eddie!

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Where did you go Eddie?!

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I think so too and it's not even mostly anyone's play at the moment, just activity.

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Yeah I'm going to be really dissapointed in Jae if they're town.

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@Mod: Smocaine is my alt

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I'm against getting blocked because both of you would be fucking throwing.

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i thought i was getting blocked

I thought this was going to be a good game.

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There's no case on me. My unwillingness to lynch Gerry and claiming ascetic Day 2 are the only things that would warrant a scum read. The case on Gerry is paper thin and claiming ascetic after Day 1 is suicide for scum. I don't see why my play outside of these two actions and stances has everyone believing I needed to pull off a desperate ploy like that. If you think I'm scum because you think I'm lying about being ascetic, consider that if I didn't object to being blocked, I'd be called out as well for letting a town read block me after my claim. Lose-lose for me.

Bottom line is that there is no scum motivation for me to do either and I'm completely convinced that there is scum in Jae and Purple. If both of them are somehow town, they really not to stop letting feelings get in the way. If one of you don't get your way, don't back up or sheep the other in an attempt to stick it to someone. If Gerry is scum, I'll tip my hat to both of you for correctly reading him but do understand that your approach was wrong. If you still think you can read me after this, ask any mod for one of the ongoing games I'm in to spectate or see if my girlfriend will let you pick her brain.

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Are you faking a post restriction?

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Who's being absurd? Well fucking Jae is.

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I'm Art von Delay.

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If my proposed teams aren't making sense, it's because more than half of the game is inactive.

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Please don't listen to any meta case on me from Jae.

I bus as scum. I did it in Divergent in Math and nearly made it to endgame. I've been scum with Gerry before, I would've bussed him by now.

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At least unvote if you're going to be working late.

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You probably won't anyway because you're scum and are hoping town hammers.

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None of what you're saying is making any sense

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I don't even know what's going on right now.

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Jae's partner redirected most likely.

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Only explanation I can see is that Jae is a nexus.

Who's scum then?

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It's awfully convenient it got redirected to me though.

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I have no clue.

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It seems like everything went down so fast.

Maybe scum knew you were UB and decided to bus drive me and Jae?

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Right. End of the day.

Then Jae is just a scum nexus then.

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I can't be a Lightning Rod if that's what you're thinking.

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I can't share that. The person didn't go anywhere however.

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It doesn't confirm anything.

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Ascetic Lightning Rod is absurd and makes no sense.

Scum fucked with your gladiate. Which is why we really need to just run up Jae.

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The thing is I realize it probably wasn't intentional because I've been pushed for fake claiming ascetic.

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Maybe scum are in panic mode and are now trying to figure out how to spin this?

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I'm town, you're town. Gerry has tonight to confirm himself.

We lynch in the others.

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He can target himself.

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whats a nexus

Opposite of a lighting rod.

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also its pretty obvious jae is a redirector of some sort.

Yeah the silence is pretty telling here.

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I'm telling y'all (town), something didn't go as plan and now scum don't know what to do.

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More Jae votes!

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A role cop? Yeah.

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I didn't make this setup?

It's obviously to lower the power level of your role. The likelier it is for you to not get a result or have it tampered with makes it not so powerful.

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I get what you're saying now. The mod wouldn't give scum the potential to have a role so useless.

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Thought we went over that though?

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Yes but the difference here is that Gerry can actual target himself. So if he comes back with some sob story Night 3, we lynch him.

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Let's just stick to the facts:

We know that someone attempted to do something to me during Night 1. We know Math's gladiate was redirected to me during Night 2.

Make conclusions based on the facts!

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Maybe scum are in panic mode and are now trying to figure out how to spin this?

I'd say it's distinctly possible!

...If Mathblade is said scum who was confused as to why the fuck their gladiate got redirected to their partner.

But Mathblade's only possible scum (and honestly is probably town even though they are going to singlehandedly lose the game for the town by casting suspicion on slots like JaeReed).

You on the other hand are pretty much definitely scum, sooooooooooo...

I'm town you..

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In regards to activity Jae, I'm talking about yours as a whole recently as well as Purple's. Everyone not me and Gerry really.

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Like I said before, it's an unnesscary gamble for scum Gerry to make when you consider how the end of Day 1 went. Very possible he could already have thought he was in

good enough standing

with the reach of the case on him and the mislynching of Ari's slot.

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Jae is again distorting or lying about meta.

Not including the games I've played with them on the Scott and Ramona hydra, I've only played 3 games with them. Civ and two Mini Normals. All not recorded so I can't link but Civ is the only time I've read Jae correctly. One of the Normals I was lynched Day 1 and didn't get a chance to give final reads and the other one I had no read on Jae and was nightkilled Night 3.

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I've only played 2 games with them on the Scott and Ramona hydra. For Us and Yume's uPick. I believe me and Chickadee initially had doubts on NMS hydra in For Us and I didn't share any town reads all of my time alive in Yume's uPick.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Listen Jae, please stop lying about meta. I will pull up the recipets if I have to. If you think I play a certain way that's fine. Just know not to push it as fact because you're most likely wrong.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There's no scum motivation for Math to come in and try to save me. Their slot is/was town read for god knows what and I was at L-1 I believe when they subbed in. Easier and more likely scum claim to have caught up and come up with some BS to declare intent to hammer.

I don't know what to make of the Fuck, Kill, Marry thing but I think Jae keeping Math as a possibility is scummy despite of that. Math showing an effort to try to sort they best way the could under the post restriction to talk normally ASAP bleeds town to me. They probably acted on a gut read on Jae.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave.

When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's all you got from what's recently transpired Nahdia?

We'll see who's bad when I flip town and the game is loss.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

realtalk tho I've read up and yeah am pretty darn happy with my vote sitting on you.

I'm confirmed ascetic. What's the case from you on me now?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

aaaaaaaaaaa sorry i've been so busy and just swept up with stuff. and this game HAS been good! i think so anyway.

honestly, I feel like LUV's attitude towards people thinking he's scum is unjustified. he seems like he's trying to put up a really strong front about how we're throwing or whatever but he's just a tracker, not some godly role. it feels fake to me.

wish we had stuff from Smocaine. If LUV were to flip town the next placed I'd look would be Impoetic and osuka, I guess? Kinda just gutting that, so take that with a pound of salt.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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This? This is shit.

No explanation as to why you find my attitude unjustified. Why were you even assuming I accused people of throwing because of my role rather than the fear of my scum reads getting away?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah you aren't town

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Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave.

When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Will you agree to be speed lynched tomorrow if I self-vote then?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

osuka is doing fuck all and Impoetic and Nahdia are pocketed.

We're done

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've said all that needs to be said.

I pointed out in why I feel the case on Gerry is not sufficient. I pointed out that Jae is lying or purposely distorting their experience with me in order to try to portray my play here as my scum game. I pointed out again that it's confirmed someone attempted to do something to me last night which could point to Purple fake claiming.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

They're not playing the game.

I rather be hammered than to be laughed in like I expect we are right now.

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Doesn't explain how it conveniently redirected to me though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Jae is again distorting or lying about meta.

Not including the games I've played with them on the Scott and Ramona hydra, I've only played 3 games with them. Civ and two Mini Normals. All not recorded so I can't link but Civ is the only time I've read Jae correctly. One of the Normals I was lynched Day 1 and didn't get a chance to give final reads and the other one I had no read on Jae and was nightkilled Night 3.

No.

I played with you in Firework where you successfully saw I was town and gave a tr on me while you were getting lynched D1.
You saw I was town in Questionable Content when we were town together.
drealmerz game I don't remember if you had a read on me, I think you died fairly early into it and I was a lurkfuck though since civ was running alongside it. I actually keep forgetting that technically I played in that.
Civ you correctly scumread me and tunneled tf out of me.
For Us you correctly townread me.
Elemental Trinity iirc you townread me and scumread math despite me scumreading you.
Cutsie upick I'm pretty sure you were townreading me before you got shot.

Literally the only one here that could come close to "I don't always correctly read you" is drealm's game.
So no, the one lying? That would be you.
Because regardless of my alignment I'm not going to push something like that unless I believe it to be true. See: my creature!town meta case in civ.

I forgot about Questionable so I give you that but no I did not town read you in Elemental since you were also pushing the same shit Math was in that game.

Me and Chick did not town read you and Mastina until Gin's slot flipped. I didn't state any town reads in Yume's uPick. You're either confusing me with Chick or my thoughts from the dead thread. The former impossible because Chick barely got to play.

You're blatantly lying about 4 games. The above 3 and dreal.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This setup is confirmed bastard. I'm sure the mod and the reviewer aimed for balance, doesn't mean they got it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My flavour matches my role. Claim yours or get lynched Jae.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If nexus is an antitown role, why is the possibility of a fakeclaim even a consideration? They could easily claim a townier role for almost any purpose I can think of (correct me if I'm wrong!), and if it's a scummy role then proving they have it doesn't help if you're trying to determine whether they're town or not.

It's not about whether the claim is real or not, it's about whether they can control or not is.

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Well then you should've just stated that this is how I recall or thought how things went down

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No you didn't. You were stating things as if they were fact.

I don't want to argue about this anymore. If you're somehow town you need to unvote because your case is bad.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If Math gladiates you and it gets redirected to me again, you are scum. The likelihood of it redirecting to me twice in the same Night is slim so you really need to show why that shouldn't happen.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My flavour matches my role. Claim yours or get lynched Jae.

Oh? What's your flavor, then? I think the ascetic claim is more dubious than the nexus claim, at this point, if we're just talking about the abilities being real or not (which is the impression I get, and the only reason flavor helps)?

I really think jaereed's telling the truth after that little outburst of a reaction so you're right i'm pocketed, and need your help to climb out of several other pockets anyway if you're town

I'm Art von Delay. I'm confirmed ascetic because Math's gladiate got redirected to me.

I can't help you get out. I'm already drained. I hate playing town. I'm being scum read for bad or NAI reasoning. I'm not having fun. You just need to trust me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If Math gladiates you and it gets redirected to me again, you are scum. The likelihood of it redirecting to me twice in the same Night is slim so you really need to show why that shouldn't happen.

IT.IS.RANDOM.
WHAT FUCKING PART OF THAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

If it gets redirected to me again I'm calling bullshit.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I already explain why I didn't claim it.

There's no town motivation for you not outright claiming nexus.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

OK holy fk. So math gladiated jae and jaereed redirected it to you? We know this for a fact? Like, math saw a message that gladiate was on you, but it's not on you because you're ascetic? And when/why did jae use the nexus?

The last few pages make me pretty confident jae's town so I hope you can trust

me

on that if you're town.

They claim it was random.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If Math gladiates you and it gets redirected to me again, you are scum. The likelihood of it redirecting to me twice in the same Night is slim so you really need to show why that shouldn't happen.

IT.IS.RANDOM.
WHAT FUCKING PART OF THAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

If it gets redirected to me again I'm calling bullshit.

See you're not even taking half a fucking second to think on this.
If it gets redirected to you again then it either randed you again or Ali makes the rand roll for the phase instead of per ability.

Don't buy either. There's a phrase called too convenient.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're pushing a tracker and a UB as scum. That's shit power for scum.

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If Math gladiates you and it gets redirected to me again, you are scum. The likelihood of it redirecting to me twice in the same Night is slim so you really need to show why that shouldn't happen.

IT.IS.RANDOM.
WHAT FUCKING PART OF THAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

If it gets redirected to me again I'm calling bullshit.

See you're not even taking half a fucking second to think on this.
If it gets redirected to you again then it either randed you again or Ali makes the rand roll for the phase instead of per ability.

Don't buy either. There's a phrase called too convenient.

Except it wouldn't be convenient. And if I'm town, JaeReed is almost certainly town too. I'm seriously confident they wouldn't be reacting like this as scum -- and if I'm wrong, someone will have to point to a game that shows it.

Then if we're all town scum are osuka and Nahdia.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No not mastina.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

However I don't think we're all town so.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If it's infinite, why does it matter? We can test how random it really is.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's why I lean toward it being random and that they didn't expect it to get redirected to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Scum probably picked up that Math was a UB but didn't think they would gladiate scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nexus' are more likelier to be scum than town so bar mod meta I don't get why ascetic is more likelier to be scum then nexus?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Scum probably picked up that Math was a UB but didn't think they would gladiate scum.

Did jaereed claim before or after gladiating?

If you lean towards it being random, why are you telling jaereed that if it's the same target they're confirmed? Clearly they aren't. If choosing who to gladiate to is nightly, randomness could also be nightly. There's no reason to claim random if you're not random and then choose to redirect to LUV. That's too weird. You just don't claim in that case, or you don't target LUV. And why would jaereed think math wasn't gonna gladiate them if they knew math was gladiator?

After.

They aren't but I think its a gambit scum Jae would make here to frustrate Math and cause confusion. A confused and frustrated Math could run the timer down all by themselves and prevent town from securing a lynch.

They probably were banking on Math's town play which is known to tunnel town more than not.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Flavour is the only thing I can think of that would explain roles contradicting Math's argument.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why does everyone ignore me lol

Not ignoring

Just don't know what's the plan now lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Think we just wait for Math and see if they gladiate or not.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So in about 6 hours.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's not AI since alignments are randomized but odds are in my favor.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Certain flavour I would bet my life being town any day of the week.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i wouldn't expect flavor to be directly AI but again, it affects what abilities you have and a ton of people have given partial roleclaims already.

luv did you ever state what the name of the ascetic ability was? Each ability has a flavor name

No.

Unknown Requests.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Roles can be given that are useless. They're called fruit vendors, no?

Why give roles that imply a factional kill when it's not there when it will become obvious it's not there over the course of the game?

Bastard.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i wouldn't expect flavor to be directly AI but again, it affects what abilities you have and a ton of people have given partial roleclaims already.

luv did you ever state what the name of the ascetic ability was? Each ability has a flavor name

No.

Unknown Requests.

"No" what?

No I didn't state it previously.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Did the mod confirm that he would be honest?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Feel like Jae is playing dumb

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Feel like Jae is playing dumb

where?

My flavour.

There is no reason to doubt why Art wouldn't be an ascetic unless you haven't played the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Feel like Jae is playing dumb

Never talk about me or to me again in this game. You don't know me. You don't care to know me. You don't understand anything about my thought processes and you don't give a shit about anyone else's feelings either.

Can say the same for you? I'm sorry you feel that way but none of this is personal and you acting as if it's is not registering right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I rather just hammer myself if you really feel that way.