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I do. Oh, how I do... It's true. The world may be destroyed by the coming of the dark god. Then again, it may not. I question the way in which our society is designed. No matter what strength a person has, it is the station he is born into that controls his destiny. And you cannot control where you will be born. Do you believe that a person of low birth should simply endure the curse of his station? I think not. If you are stronger than those around you, you should benefit from your strength. This is why I will use my strength to remake this world. Class and rank will not matter. Human and sub-human will not matter. The strong will possess everything. The weak will submit to their will. Is this not the meaning of peace?
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Less -absence of one specific thing- and more -specific thing that existed felt wrong-In post 57, morph the cat wrote:Why did you expect me to comment on your roleplay?
No?In post 58, Something_Smart wrote:
But you don't like to answer questions?In post 56, Mad King Ashnard wrote:Yeah I like my vote.-
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It would be very easy to get away with placing an 'RVS' vote on Arcade Pals and saying that you hadn't read anything if you were scum just getting to the thread.In post 68, Something_Smart wrote:
This is phrased weirdlyIn post 65, Mad King Ashnard wrote:Don't enable scum to get rid of a potential town ability as a joke please.
I don't think scum would be more likely to place the damaging vote than town would, for the exact reason that whoever did so would (rightfully) receive the actual heat for it.
Obviously town can just not read and vote the hydra but I don't want to risk Chickadee being scum enabling exactly that.-
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I am not Raskolnikov
If it's a scum ability scum aren't going to be manipulatively hammering it and I don't want it to get accidentally hammered while they're 10/13 odds to be town?What makes you so sure it's a town ability?
Scum have just as much incentive to publicize that information.
I even said potential: why are you acting like I'm treating them like locktown because I don't want them to lose an ability for absolutely no reason?
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Acting strange how?In post 80, Something_Smart wrote:And yeah RC is acting strange but it's still clearly RC so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯-
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Do you think this is a scumtell?In post 89, Something_Smart wrote:Stilted is not a bad word for it. You're being aggressive in an annoyingly hard-to-reach way.-
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I don't think that unconsciously slipping something like that in the way you did would qualify you as being 'blatant' scum, especially when you could have gotten that info from any source.
Do you consider yourself exceptional scum to the point that you'd never unconsciously slip information like that?
Why shouldn't I have taken my vote off of you when I was using it to threaten Chickadee?-
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I don't have a clear picture of what to expect from you given that I don't think that we've ever played together but your opener felt wrong.In post 116, morph the cat wrote:
I'd like you to expand on this if you don't mind.In post 60, Mad King Ashnard wrote:
Less -absence of one specific thing- and more -specific thing that existed felt wrong-In post 57, morph the cat wrote:Why did you expect me to comment on your roleplay?-
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Then don't vote me.In post 120, TwoInAMillion wrote:
I'm town.In post 119, Mad King Ashnard wrote:Sorry was I missing the part where scum decided to all open on me?
Both your openers felt forced, and scumreading you isn't necessarily that you didn't interact with me it's more how you interacted with Cabd tbh?In post 121, morph the cat wrote:
I'm not exceptional scum at all. I'm cautious, reserved, play-inside-the-town-envelope scum. Though I stretch that envelope pretty far in this hydra.In post 114, Mad King Ashnard wrote:I don't think that unconsciously slipping something like that in the way you did would qualify you as being 'blatant' scum, especially when you could have gotten that info from any source.
Do you consider yourself exceptional scum to the point that you'd never unconsciously slip information like that?
Why shouldn't I have taken my vote off of you when I was using it to threaten Chickadee?
I think most of my hydra partners have pretended to post as me (usually for humorous effect). I don't find that sort of goofing around in RVS phase odd or suspicious.
I thought it was odd that you were scumreading ME, though, especially if it was off my not interacting directly with you when my hydra partner was lurching around and 1v1ing you on page 1.-
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I suppose that's not an unreadable description.In post 132, morph the cat wrote:You feel ~cautious~ to me. From what little I saw of your play this summer -- mostly in newbie games -- cautious isn't a descriptor that came to mind.
Would you agree that ~cautious~ isn't a descriptor that comes to mind as either alignment?-
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In post 140, RadiantCowbells wrote:3-
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Aww. I feel special. I wasn't planning to stay up late either
I agree that SS is probably town unless they're scumbuddies with you specifically and you planned that out. It did feel pretty genuine.
Twoinamillion despite his awful vote on me I would say is more likely than not town? like that was bold as hell and he would be very wary of me after our last game.
Arcade pals I don't really have a read on
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Wow poor CabdIn post 142, morph the cat wrote:I saved interacting with you for after the loud noise went away to sleep it off. Seemed the more productive approach.-
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I don't think I got to play with Monkeyman much?
Tbh 2013-2014 stuff sorta faded away. I still vaguely remember some of the games but Mafia didn't have the same impression on me until 2015.
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Wait what's the scum motivation for this?In post 100, morph the cat wrote:Interesting.
If I were hydraing with someone who used -this- for emphasis and it were a unique aspect of their posting, I'd probably adopt it at least for that hydra.
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Okay so our concern with morph is how they have not much experience with RC and none with me but are trying to like stylistically judge posts as one head vs another. If you do know someone then it does makes sense as an approach but I'm not sure spectating a few games of one head could give someone that impression?
We're more interested in why Cabd apparently scumread us though.
Chickadee's an RC meta read but I'm not impressed with her posts either. She is just kind of there and even her read on maria doesn't match any of my maria meta where she blatantly trolls as scum.-
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Reading I got the impression you were pushing the angle about heads and you say right after you don't know RC well.In post 185, morph the cat wrote:RC and Cabd have a fair bit of recent game experience. My experience is more one-off (I modded/backup modded some newbie games he played this summer), but I'm not inexperienced with him.
Unless the implication is that was a cabd post though? Is that what
this meant?Note the tilde in that post. That's a Cabd-ism.
But you said he passed out by then in 66 ??-
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What did I do that gave you that impression and why would I want to do that?In post 184, morph the cat wrote:Sleepless tunnel vision. The RC hydra is a shiny thing. Rereading today, I kinda feel like RC was trying to drive a little wedge between Morph-heads.
I did just call out your entire scumteam in a game where I called out only like 5 people then you nightkilled me because we didn't have a single protective.RC head, I'm curious what your meta on me is based on? I know we've had a few games together. I can think of like 2-3 off the top of my head. I don't recall you reading me correctly though.
Further I think you're ignoring the fact that I never scumread you in 1788: I went along because there were a lot of strong personalities on town and I didn't feel like fighting for every lynch.
I feel pretty confident in my ability to read you here: both in terms of my ability to catch you out if you're scum and my ability to figure out I'm wrong if you're town.
Do you think that I should be townreading you here? Do you have any scumreads out of the people who've already posted?-
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I didn't say this about either head. I think that you have plenty of context in order to judge how I play. I just thought it was weird that that's immediately where you went: though if it's something that you've done with your own hydras it makes a lot more sense that you saw that as a possibility.In post 191, morph the cat wrote:There is no way that RC could say that about our hydra as a whole. And I think he's probably at least nearly as aware of my recent play as I am of his recent newbie games. He reviewed and spectated my first game back after a year+ break - in this hydra. He replaced into my third game back, and though I doubt he read much about the game he immediately engaged me - again, in this hydra. But, that amount of meta-gathering pales compared to the amount of meta he and Cabd have together just this summer.-
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idk what's going on anymore
Between catching up, the hydra stuff and then all the meta on top of it I'm not attempting to rewind anything or do spooky manipulation around your hydra dynamic (ironically since this is kind of being dysfunctional).
I just thought it was weird for you to go there but I guess it's understandable when there's more between you guys than I thought and with your own hydra having that style thing? We haven't played together in 2 years and I know I haven't played with either of you like ever so it stuck out to me when you were saying I was posting his posts when you don't know me even if you didn't intend it as in any way negative.
I'll try to avoid kind of speaking on his behalf when it comes to some of the more complicated head-on-head meta and history stuff from now on though.
Even dropping all this though do you know why cabd says he scumread us?-
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Yeah throw in hydras and heads metaing heads and things get kinda cancerIn post 193, gerryoat wrote:god, i can't believe I'm saying this but meta is literally the worst thing on this site. "___ doesnt do this as ___ because ____ meta is ___" is all i've been seeing lately, it's annoying af
Speaking of meta where's my good friend creature at he's the only person I kinda know here...-
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I've played mafia super drunk to the point of fakeclaiming terrible guilties drunk and I was far more lucid than Cabd was. I think that his drunkenness was played up regardless of situation. I don't think that necessarily makes him scum: it's the kind of thing that can be fun. But at the time I disliked some stuff in your openers and felt like doing something with it.In post 194, morph the cat wrote:Characterizing Cabd's drunkplay as a put-on, for one. I felt like that was an attempt to make me feel defensive about something I had no way to address. And that's a line of attack that has happened before to this hydra (not about drunkplay by either of us, but in terms of where the seams where our playstyles don't completely mesh) though it's usually by someone who actually knows our dynamic as a hydra and knows quite well where the disconnects in our approaches to the game actually are. You missed the mark there, but it did feel like you were aiming for it.
Even if I were scum that's not a mark that I would seek to hit and I don't understand why you would think that's a decision I would consciously make as either alignment here. Not for absolutely no reason at the start of the game, maybe if one of you was townreading me and the other wasn't and I really needed their votes.
But even then I try to avoid setting hydra heads against each other as scum because it makes games unpleasant.
This is what it felt like at the time to me.I also felt like you tried to characterize my side of our dance last night as scumpainting you, when I was actually just trying to figure out where your mindset was.
I agree that in practice the likely result of Raskol's posting is negative if you're town. I don't think that he intended to pick a fight.I liked that you tried to engage me about reads later, but our initial interactions did not feel good. And it feels like today the Rask head is attempting to rewind the work I did and I thought you did as well, to learn how our views on the game meshed or clashed, and to put us back on a more confrontational standing.
From where I'm standing I've felt like you were town since before I went to bed and definitely after. I didn't really feel like what you guys had done was scummy but we didn't talk about it until much later in the day and he initially assumed that I was still scumreading you, then he wanted the opportunity to sort you on his own, and now he's given up
You're reading a lot of subtext into the hydra dynamic that isn't there.
I can do confrontational if that's what you two are after. I don't think it's all that healthy for most gamestates, though.Fite me bich-
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