Mini Normal 1964 - Hell Is 56k Dialup - Endgame!

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, how many people do you think you can get to vote Dunn?

that depends
are you bussing c:

[Zachstralkita]

Oh that's what I was gonna ask
Uzi why is Katyusha scum?

[Zachstralkita]

Guys, what would you say if I told you I had Dunnstral nailed like a cabinet door?

[Transcend]

zachary daiquiri

what case doyou have on dunnstral other than living up to his current meta

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Clueless town can mean those things but also can mean town who often blindly trust the information that is being presented to them. I thought that is what you were getting at, North.

So because Schadd has not explained his town reads, you think they’re not real. I don’t understand how you can reach that conclusion if he’s not offered an explanation for those reads yet. Also, how does fabricating town reads without offering any explanation for them helps him achieve a scum win-con? All that does is bring an unnecessary amount of attention to himself and doesn’t help him control the game state at all. The opposite of what you believe he is doing, which is buddying to avoid suspicion.

I think your problem with Schadd is that he’s not showing any paranoia. Meaning, there is no fear or suspicion displayed in regards to the players he feels are town. There’s no doubt and that worries you. If so, that’s a fair reason to scum read someone but I find a lack of paranoia is a personality trait.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh that's what I was gonna ask
Uzi why is Katyusha scum?

I’ll get back to you if I’m alive Day 2

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Doggo I don’t feel Espeon or Joda scum. Definyeky Havo though.

[northsidegal]

Clueless town can mean those things but also can mean town who often blindly trust the information that is being presented to them. I thought that is what you were getting at, North.

So because Schadd has not explained his town reads, you think they’re not real. I don’t understand how you can reach that conclusion if he’s not offered an explanation for those reads yet. Also, how does fabricating town reads without offering any explanation for them helps him achieve a scum win-con? All that does is bring an unnecessary amount of attention to himself and doesn’t help him control the game state at all. The opposite of what you believe he is doing, which is buddying to avoid suspicion.

it's not just that he hasn't explained them, it's that they appear to come from nowhere and never once does he show signs of doubt. him not explaining his reads or showing signs of doubt isn't the problem, it's an indicaton of the problem, to me. i've already said why i think it comes from scum - he's playing to avoid confrontation with the most active players. it's not necessarily that's hes fabricating town reads, it's that he's playing in a style that assumes people are town - the townreads are implicit. it's not like he had made a list at that point with those people at the top and that's what i'm suspecting (until i asked him about it), it's that he's playing as if he had.

i don't think that brings attention to himself - nobody else had pointed it out until i had. i think very infrequently do townies question townreads on themselves, unless there's something really suspicious about the contexts (ie tring a person who hasn't posted yet). especially if the townreads are never explicitly said, only implied through playstyle, it's such a sure thing to someone who's town that they might not stop to consider it.

I think your problem with Schadd is that he’s not showing any paranoia. Meaning, there is no fear or suspicion displayed in regards to the players he feels are town. There’s no doubt and that worries you. If so, that’s a fair reason to scum read someone but I find a lack of paranoia is a personality trait.

it's certainly possible - like i said, it could always just be a meta thing. it's a little unfortunate that schadd's been missing because the explanations were what i was really looking for, but based on the play so far i'm still willing to lynch there.

[Havo]

Doggo I don’t feel Espeon or Joda scum. Definyeky Havo though.

LMAO. Yes push me. The slot that’s been on your slot from the start.

[Havo]

Doggo I don’t feel Espeon or Joda scum. Definyeky Havo though.

This needs to be lynched 3days ago.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Doggo I don’t feel Espeon or Joda scum. Definyeky Havo though.

LMAO. Yes push me. The slot that’s been on your slot from the start.

Okay?

[Espeonage]

My urge to call for a flash wagon on Havo is rising.

And the wagon composition is balls.

:/

unvote

[Espeonage]

Yep if everyone else gets their vanity wagon I'm gonna get mine.

Vote: Havo

[Havo]

Yep if everyone else gets their vanity wagon I'm gonna get mine.

Vote: Havo

I’ve been TR by half the players and I’m obvious town.

But keep digging your own graves.

[Espeonage]

The thing with a replacement is that they can come in and see things without the shared experience of the players who have been in the game longer. And sometimes that's required.

But hey, appealing to old reads as a defence is nice I guess. Good for you.

[Srceenplay]

What happened to schadd?

[Transcend]

He vanished

Like he always does in every game he plays

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How are you obvious town Havo?

[schadd_]

why do I get the feeling that’s Trans is intentionally being on the other side of Zach?

how about no

How about you contribute to the game?
You signed up to play....so play.

This post makes it obvious you are lurking.

You know, tell us who you think is most likely scum and why?
Who’s most likely town and why?
And who do you think would be the best slot to Lynch today?

You know, play the game.

no me

How can Schadd post so much (49) and say so little?

how about no

How about you contribute to the game?
You signed up to play....so play.

This post makes it obvious you are lurking.

You know, tell us who you think is most likely scum and why?
Who’s most likely town and why?
And who do you think would be the best slot to Lynch today?

You know, play the game.

will try to work on that as soon as possible when im sober and when i have free time.

I might actually believe this if you hadn't been posting quite often in another game at the same time that you've made some of these posts.

why do I get the feeling that’s Trans is intentionally being on the other side of Zach?

How can Schadd post so much (49) and say so little?

These are both very good observations

Okay then

Did you think your slot was getting a red or green pm?

oh, i misinterpreted this the first time i read it - are you asking if i replaced in thinking that my slot was town or scum? i honestly don't follow games that i'm just reading as close as games that i'm playing in, so the slot was null for me. that didn't factor into anything, though - i was on the replacement queue and had no idea who i was replacing.

okay, so here are my thoughts having followed along with the thread and done a quick reread.

can someone explain the wagon on the ucv slot to me? i get that he really hasn't done much this game except for a weak push on jodaxq, but i'm not sure that that's especially alignment-indicative enough to warrant a lynch. lynches for "null" behavior like that have always struck me as lazy in the same way as lurker lynches. with that in mind i'm not necessarily saying i'm against it today, just saying that hopefully screenplay can clarify the read there on that slot.

i'm getting a scumlean from jodax, but it's something i'm constantly doubting myself on. the intial motivation for ucv makes total sense to me - ucv wasn't really contributing anything but was clearly in the thread, so that warrants suspicion. at this point, though, i wonder about the motivation behind singling out ucv specifically over other posters who weren't really contributing much or were just lurking it out. the later continuation of the read and the justifications are what leads to the scumread - specifically, i take issue with this:

3. It's not about low contributing, it's about fake contributing. In that same newbie game I hard cased sheepsaysmeep (who was scum) very early on in the game for similar reasons as I'm casing you now. He posted a lot of fake contibution (he always wanted pagetops and asked for reads instead of provided) and I feel like you're doing the same with your asking about meme posting or trying to keep people from insulting one another.

jodax, what makes you read ucv's posts specifically as intentionally fake contributions as opposed to just intentional non-contributions? you're saying that he's attempting to put forward the image of contributing but to me it seems like he never attempted to put forward that pretense.

another thing that grabs my attention is the explanation of ucv's actions in 489. it just doesn't make sense to me: ucv's actions can hardly be considered a serious push and the explanation doesn't explain anything outside of the one post where ucv says he scumreads jodax.

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i wonder how easy this game would be if i took it seriously. lol
i am 100% positive scum want to lynch bait me.

I love how this post precedes your boldest read of the game. So I'm guessing you made this post so if I turn up vanilla civ you can just say you weren't taking it seriously, right? Making sure you cover all your bases is a typical scum move.

finally, this post just exudes someone twisting facts to fit their beliefs and constructing narratives. this is a telltale sign of either a confbiased townie or scum who deliberately has to contrive pushes on people given that they already know everyone's alignment. i'm getting the feeling that it's the latter of the two.

splitting the rest up to avoid a wall for transcend's sake.

the feeling i get from reading schadd's iso is that he seems to take for granted that some people are town. whereas he's commented on his townread on keychain given that the topic of keychain being scum was brought up, it seems to me like without any discussion or at least visible reasoning he's accepted transcend, zach and katayusha as being town. this could just as easily come from familiarity with the players as it could from already knowing everyone's alignment and only commenting on cases that other people bring up (to give the appearance of activity or of deliberation), so i'm not making this as some huge alignment indicative point.

schadd, could say who you townread and explain why?

define: scum!katy

VOTE: joda

Scared of my FOS

Screenplay our reads are sort of similar ish
Schadd probably won't happen today and is not the besr cnadidate


nsg, lol

K I actually have no idea how to read this fucking game

Which is unfortunate considering I'm currently invincible

Still gut feeling that 2 of shadd/Transcend/Keychain are scum. Dunnstral/EE could be scum as well. tinfoil hat theory that Zach is scum

None of these people are wagons so I will start one! VOTE: Transcend

Katy is a knight. Not town. That’s the only thing giving pause about cy/espe but not big enough pause.

bettr not be fucking wagoned rn

[schadd_]

fuck i just porkens'd i knew i was gonna do that

[schadd_]

i was reading and realized halfway through i might be being wagoned and so i said that i bettr not be and it dumped all my multiquotes

[Jodaxq]

Lil Uzi Vert (4): Havo, Keychain, Espeonage, Jodaxq (L-3)

the uzz nd the keech are town

there's scum within {havo,esp,joda}

Weren't you voting Uzi just a page before this? What happened?

[Jodaxq]

Yep if everyone else gets their vanity wagon I'm gonna get mine.

Vote: Havo

Havo has been acting very paranoid in these recent pages and hasn't contributed much since he got town read from many of the players. Uzi has gained some points with me for not breaking down and voting schadd out of self-preservation. Let's see where this wagon goes.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

[northsidegal]

Yep if everyone else gets their vanity wagon I'm gonna get mine.

Vote: Havo

Havo has been acting very paranoid in these recent pages and hasn't contributed much since he got town read from many of the players. Uzi has gained some points with me for not breaking down and voting schadd out of self-preservation. Let's see where this wagon goes.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

why are you voting a player whose contributions were in the beginning of the thread as opposed to someone without much contribution at all, like dunnstral?

i really don't understand the motivations for this vote. we're really at the point in the day where you can't wagon people as a reaction test or "to see where this goes" - you're wagoning people to be the lynch for the day. i don't like havo for today.

[Jodaxq]

Yep if everyone else gets their vanity wagon I'm gonna get mine.

Vote: Havo

Havo has been acting very paranoid in these recent pages and hasn't contributed much since he got town read from many of the players. Uzi has gained some points with me for not breaking down and voting schadd out of self-preservation. Let's see where this wagon goes.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

why are you voting a player whose contributions were in the beginning of the thread as opposed to someone without much contribution at all, like dunnstral?

i really don't understand the motivations for this vote. we're really at the point in the day where you can't wagon people as a reaction test or "to see where this goes" - you're wagoning people to be the lynch for the day. i don't like havo for today.

At this moment I do want Havo to be the lynch. As I noted in 762 I've been growing more suspicious of Havo as this game has gone on, and his recent posting made me more confident he'll flip scum. He was active right up until the point where people called him town, then he became a lurker and only popped in to push one of the easier targets. Then, instead of becoming proactive again once his town vibe had worn off a little, he just referred back to how we used to view him as town.