Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Tchill13]

hey jodaxq who we voting?

[Tchill13]

the title is genius because we will soon tear each other apart resulting in no magic at all... i couldnt type this out before someone voted me lol.

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VOTE: screen play L-1

[Tchill13]

wouldnt it suck if you were actually scum here and just got random lynched day 1 lol. id be mad.

[Tchill13]

we're on post 37... so if youre gonna call me scum vote me.

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well you know you win the game by being as towny as possible. lynching scum is optional.

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Ew

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thats a good joke. long day 1s lead to catching all the scum on the first day phase.

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feels weird to qoute yourself imo.

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thats a good joke. long day 1s lead to catching all the scum on the first day phase.

Not joking. You save or I will. Lol.

So you think the day has gone on way to long?

that was in response to havo buuuut i did try changing my sig lol.

[Tchill13]

im challenging anyone to hammer before posts 70.

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well im telling you rn theres 1 scum between beef, oddmusic and screenplay... at LEAST one scum that is.

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^ I don’t like this reaction to being wagonned early. If screenplay were town I would expect more confusion than...annoyance I guess.

And no screen we don’t have enough to lynch you. But for an early wagon out of the random stages making 2 entirely contentless posts is a good start

Wat.

Lynching scum is mandatory if you want to win.

VOTE: Tchill

and i just "feel" like screen is pretending not to care. so yeah thats my lynch pool.

[Tchill13]

what the... we're desperate enough to use other games? i think i had 20 posts that game lol. i gave up early.

[Tchill13]

Jordaxq and Beef look very town early.

I'm curious to hear what wave and Dunn think of all this (two others who were on the screen wagon).

how is beef town?

[Tchill13]

what the... we're desperate enough to use other games? i think i had 20 posts that game lol. i gave up early.

That more post than you had here.
That is a 180 are reading me. From a game where you had multiple pages to a game with just one page.
I’m calling bullshit.

i seriously cant believe what is happening rn how about we use this game and how ppl play in it to judge play. i may never say another good thing about a player on site. i do not remember having any great interactions with you as a player. pretty sure i said that because i believed you were town and dint want you to get lynched. that is all.

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lets play a little game... one where i ask why beef is town and someone answers me.

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Wat.

Lynching scum is mandatory if you want to win.

VOTE: Tchill

good joke

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how in the world are beef and odd getting thrown around as town reads?

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Beef,odd and screenplay. One is scum. Vote accordingly.

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Apparently he has and he's listening to the people that are making sense.

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Yeah havo is definitely newb scum. I'm glad we've got a game full of Sherlocks here. One of beef, odd or screen needs to be lynched. Could Lynch the guy that refuses to use vote tags but I was down for a Lynch on anyone other than me on page 2.

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VOTE: beefster

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i seriously would have hammered but scum arent man enough to put someone at l-1 or hammer on pg 2.

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what makes you think it wouldnt?

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so if we have a long day where PR's are outed and we lynch a townie would it be wasted?

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I think long day 1s are point less due to it being the least amount of info we'll have

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I'm a little concerned about how reluctant Davesaz seems to be about contributing. Most of his posts are just asking everyone else what they think. Maki Harukawa also seems to be a little guarded.

And a 4th member is added to the Lynch pool... I recently played in a game where Dave did this as scum. Now I'm not caught up yet but I did see Dave vote havo. So I'm leaning towards...

2 scum in (Dave, beef, screen, odd)

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As for throwing shade on someone Becton lack of experience.... That comes off as NAI to me. More egotistical than to do with the game itself Imo.

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just because you see my reasons as inaccurate doesn't mean they factually are inaccurate. so you can attempt to discredit elsewhere. i have good reasoning and will not argue it with those that refuse to listen.

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^ I don’t like this reaction to being wagonned early. If screenplay were town I would expect more confusion than...annoyance I guess.

And no screen we don’t have enough to lynch you. But for an early wagon out of the random stages making 2 entirely contentless posts is a good start

Wat.

Lynching scum is mandatory if you want to win.

VOTE: Tchill

and i just "feel" like screen is pretending not to care. so yeah thats my lynch pool.

well you make reading my mind seem as hard as reading my iso of 30 posts. the first 2 quotes come off as easy "im town guys look at me" plays with fake motivation and screen didn't react well to being run up on pg 2. came off to me as he pretended not to care. As for Dave he was recently scum in game that he lurked and only asked questions. "2 ears one mouth" will not work as an excuse for me at least.

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You can't argue he is or isn't scum with more proof than the other on day one. That's the point.

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I think long day 1s are point less due to it being the least amount of info we'll have

@beefster

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So who's it gonna be.... Screen or beef?

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Well the game immediately died after havo said he'd be fine being the Lynch if there was none by Friday.... Imagine that.

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I do to. Lots of hard stances in beef. Let's Lynch and see what info comes from it.

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Guys.... Look at all the info were getting from not lynching on PG 2.

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so let me get this straight. i provide good reasoning for my 4 players in my lynch pool. blatantly put someone at L-1 on pg 2, point out that the game has died and literally no good info has come from pg 5 and im ran up? well this is good. i suspect at least 1 scum to be voting me atm.

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So who's it gonna be.... Screen or beef?

Tunneling much?

What are your thoughts on the other 10 players in the game? Or maybe I should say 8 since your pool was originally 4 players.

Frankly, I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on specific players from you.

I still don't like how Tchill and Havo seem to think that Night 1 has magical powers that spontaneously generate data to analyze.

But you know what, I think it's time for something completely different. Let's explore some other venues. The top wagons are stale.

VOTE: Maki

She has not really explained why she has the reads she does. Sure. Less of a case than Tchill or Havo, but you have to start somewhere.

IGMEOU: Tchill and Havo

lol. I'm dumb. Looking over your posts in isolation, I realized I'm wildly wrong. I definitely remembered things wrong.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

Tally ho!

beef just looking for a lynch atm. if your scum id suggest power lynching me. as of rn i can confidently say im a top 3 player in this player list. due to what ive seen so far. meta can be useful the problem is yall arent using meta youre using a compliment that may or may not been true. read my games i play pretty different every time due to the fact im still tinkering with my style. id expect a little more skill from dunn as far as him agreeing with screens "acting different" comment. if i had 3 shots id shoot screen, beef, maki. that maki vote from beef then quick unvote is suspicious.

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so if youre voting me for meta thats false. youre voting me for one statement. if youre voting me for my day 1 "attitude" or TR havo atm what sets us apart exactly id like to know? ive given a handful of scum reads because no one reads town atm and im pretty sure ive given more reads on a bigger group of players than most ppl atm. hewhoswims would be my tr if i had to give one but he understood my pg 2 play and thats mainly why. if he was buddying it worked for now. anyways feel free to continue to make the wrong play if youre town and vote me. if youre scum i can understand the vote because i'll be your biggest threat this game.

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could be faking early to distance.

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Basically if I had to submit a team of 3 that'd be it. Of course this is why day 1s suck. There's no way I nailed the scum team based off this limited info.

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and id still rather lynch from the pool. not enough to want to lynch maki.

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Hey nice to see you after you were mentioned screen.

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I am willing to give tchill the benefit of the doubt on Day 1 over most players as I know him to be a strong player.

I did question my wagon. Tchill13 is whom I thought was suspicious. I have reason and example why.
But after thinking about it I agree with this quote. I slightly doubt Tchill13 would stick his neck out that far as scum.

Back tracking. There's no reason to believe I'd stick my neck out that far as scum early. You tried to get me lynched because of it. It didn't work. Now you're saying it makes sense why I wasn't Lynched.... Back tracking.

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Beef is doing all the things that are really really easy to do that scream "I'm town". That mixed in with the fact his scum hunting isn't actually there and he gave that fake excuse and voted me early is why he's scum also. Have beef and screenplay had any sort of discussion or mention of one another?

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If Dunn is actually a good player then he might be thrown in my Lynch pool... Which would mean all 3 scum would be in

Beef, screen, odd, Dunn and Dave.

Dunns scum read on me where he explains he agrees with screen about me acting different.... If he's a good player that's a lie.

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Oh you're an emotional player. Gotcha. That's good to know going forward if you're not lynched today.

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i could see the beef content being genuine besides the yucky vote on me early but i dont believe hes town. Odd, screen or beef is my preferred lynch. ill join the biggest wagon of those 3.

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I hope I'm wrong because if I'm correct like I think I am this game's gonna be hell

or I die n1 that works too

Wifom. This could be scum for sure.

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Ok I'd like for beef to be the lynch. We have an associative with Maki and possibly screen. If beef is a townie I need to know asap because I'll be under the impression he's scum until cleared through a night action or a flip. I think this is the Lynch today.

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Very confident there's 2 scum in beef, screen, Dunn, odd, maki. Probably one scum that hasn't pinged me yet. I've gotten what I've needed from day 1. Jodax and hewhoswims are town for now. Let's Lynch.

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VOTE: Screenplay

why are you putting a player on L-2 in RVS

are you nuts Havo

are you a wolf this time

do you remember virt's game

do you know how bad this can get in mafiascum

I hope you're scum

VOTE: screen play L-1

what in the world are you doing

do you think this is cute

wait until a villager lolhammers that and then everyone assumes it's a scum claim and he flips town

lol you guys are the worst

RVS sucks, stop doing it

Yeah absolutely no method to the madness here. Seems like toranaga could be scum as well.

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Well if Odd was scum this is how I would expect his replacement to come in playing.

ESP someone of Toranagas caliber.

Makes sense. Comes in makes a lot of noise. Funnels himself into the tchill wagon. Attacks tchill for having confidence when he apparently should have none. The odd slot is still scum.

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Good Grief. Can we just Lynch scum Screen already?

this is never a thought you have as town early game Havo, I know you're not like that. last time you got pushed for having no reads, now you want people lynched a few posts into it. I don't believe you. this might actually be the easiest time I ever had catching scum in a game.

I was thinking this was the easiest I ever caught scum also. Funny how that works.

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Funny how we're looking everywhere but THIS game.

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Beef Lynch vig shot toranaga. That'd be cool.

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Funny how we're looking everywhere but THIS game.

I'm looking at the lolawful pages of this game unfortunately...

Alright toranaga you lead town to 3 scum lynches without a mislynch and I'll say day 1s aren't useless.

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Not whining. You two in the same there shouldn't be a mislynch. I've provided more game solving than either of yall. So you two go hold hands and Lynch 3 scum in a row together. I'll be taking notes km how the big boys play.

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VOTE: Dunn

I'm Dunn with this. In all seriousness I can see a world where beef is town. Not one where Dunn is though.

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So you're pushing me for my high horse attitude. Not anything game related. Cool.

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So you're pushing me for my high horse attitude. Not anything game related. Cool.

you put a motherfucker in L-1 on page 2

I wish it would have been PG 1.

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Pretty sure I play differently every game btw.

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We're not gonna Lynch anyone I'd like to day 1. I'll be here if you need me.

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VOTE: dunn

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Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

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I think it's crap but that goes for anyone not on my list. Remember people toranaga is odd's slot. That's important.

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Well looks like Wave will be the next replace out. SMDH.

This day should have been over 2 days ago.

I'm starting to see the Havo way

Look, I already said if we haven’t lynched someone by tonight I’d be fine eating rope.

So Lynch me. I’ll sign up for the next game and play that Day 1 exactly like this one. And the next and the next and the next. Til

Players finally say “Oh that’s how Havo plays Day 1” see, then it’ll be what I’m known for.

Now Day 2 will see the old Havo. You’ll like Him T.

actually disgusting
I mean, it's now tonight.

VOTE: Havo

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idk how that messed up. after the quotes i said actually disgusting referring to the vote on havo.

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VOTE: toranaga

tis a good joke jodax. hurts my essay got ignored.

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youre first reads were trash. discrediting here also. this is a joke.

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scum would say that though. hopefully we will see soon.

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closer at beef and screen? no way.

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well A) apparently im used to it. glad you stalk me on site and read every post game im apart of and B) i'd appreciate it if the big bad man would stop being a meenie wheenie. Grow up. I think we will C) a scum flip with a torablahblah lynch. im fun at parties.

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screen's wagon had dave and wave in it so it's probably a bad idea to lynch him

I think dave can help town a lot when he is town just based off his posting style, but nothing jumps as townie and there are scummy posts and votes here and there

I wonder what wagon both tchill and jodax would agree with voting with me. I'm guessing nothing for tchill since I'm lock scum.

i'll vote screen or beef with you.

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closer at beef and screen? no way.

you know every postgame ever when people say you're a very bad town player?

this won't be different tchill

gladly I don't need to depend on you to win

well A) apparently im used to it. glad you stalk me on site and read every post game im apart of and B) i'd appreciate it if the big bad man would stop being a meenie wheenie. Grow up. I think we will C) a scum flip with a torablahblah lynch. im fun at parties.

wat

no I played with you once, IDGAF about any other game of yours lol

you are constantly grilled for playing poorly though

wait are you actually chip butty lol

"every postgame" "IDGAF about any other game of yours" (implying multiple games) one is singular and one is plural there buddy so... you messed up. you seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Why are you so adamant about discrediting me? im only one voice in this game. if im the right one youre going about this comically. if im the wrong one your going about this comically. im amused.

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now if i had 3 vig shots id shoot toranaga 2 times. then id think about shooting screen or beef but end up shooting toranaga again.

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@beef just because you make 2 posts that ping scum for me doesnt mean your overall play screams scum. town can make bad posts.

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Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

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no? those 2 posts pinged me. You then went on to play what might be tho most "I swear im town" game ive ever seen doing little to no scum hunting. so the 2 pinged me then i was reconfirmed by the rest of your iso.

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no? those 2 posts pinged me. You then went on to play what might be tho most "I swear im town" game ive ever seen doing little to no scum hunting. so the 2 pinged me then i was reconfirmed by the rest of your iso.

There hasn't been much new information TBH. Not much, other than Toranaga's chaotic playstyle, pinged me as scummy. I've looked over other players isos, but I feel like any case I could make would be reaching at best.

really? even after all that time after pg 2?

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Screenplay is giving some opinions, but doing it in a way that seems passive to me.
Not sure how to deal with that.

I agree with this, even at L-1 he seemed very passionless. the biggest reason not to lynch him is the fact that he actually went to L-1 so there's a good chance there was scum in his wagon

I am sort of townreading most people that jumped there and I'm villa reading your recent posting so this is no longer a strong reason not to lynch him today

"biggest reason he isnt scum is because he was at L-1".... i audibly laughed.

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Screenplay is giving some opinions, but doing it in a way that seems passive to me.
Not sure how to deal with that.

i didnt like his style of posts after he was at L-1. no urgency.

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my reads seem good after a good read instead of a quick glance of the game for catch up... amazing back tracking here. youre still scum.

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I mean, Tchill is literally lying about his reads. Say what you want about how bad of a town player he is, but...

prove im lying.

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I mean, Tchill is literally lying about his reads. Say what you want about how bad of a town player he is, but...

how is he lying?

He says he can see a world in which beef is town, but not me. only a bit after that, he says if he had a gun he'd shoot between srceenplay/beef after toranaga, but why mention shooting beef and not me in light of his earlier read?. It doesn't add up to me.

yeah and 4 of yall probably cant be scum so yeah. im accustomed to scum teams of 3 in normals.

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yep great content after pg 2.

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apparently thats the rule uc.

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UC lets join forces and ruin? solve the game for everyone.

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do i since buddying?

you call it buddying i call it wanting to make ppls heads pop off.

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Barbecue lol. Love auto correct. Anyways toranaga has been all over the map. Back tracked even. Beefand screen I'll be more willing to believe you're town if you vote this with me. UC I'd suggest you do the same. I'm pretty confident this guy is scum. I don't think an attack on my one game would come from him the way it did if he was town. He's probably scum and if you're scum you say what you gotta say.

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I don't believe the Mason claim for a second.

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Nope. I really do hope you're a mason though. Let's find out.

VOTE: screenplay

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I've spent the last 5 pages on toranaga. The first 20 on groups including screen.

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Still not sure what to make of toranaga. I can just feel the scum oozing from him. This will help though. If he's town well... What a great personality.

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closer at beef and screen? no way.

you know every postgame ever when people say you're a very bad town player?

this won't be different tchill

gladly I don't need to depend on you to win

well A) apparently im used to it. glad you stalk me on site and read every post game im apart of and B) i'd appreciate it if the big bad man would stop being a meenie wheenie. Grow up. I think we will C) a scum flip with a torablahblah lynch. im fun at parties.

wat

no I played with you once, IDGAF about any other game of yours lol

you are constantly grilled for playing poorly though

wait are you actually chip butty lol

"every postgame" "IDGAF about any other game of yours" (implying multiple games) one is singular and one is plural there buddy so... you messed up. you seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Why are you so adamant about discrediting me? im only one voice in this game. if im the right one youre going about this comically. if im the wrong one your going about this comically. im amused.

Thx for ignoring btw.

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^ I don’t like this reaction to being wagonned early. If screenplay were town I would expect more confusion than...annoyance I guess.

And no screen we don’t have enough to lynch you. But for an early wagon out of the random stages making 2 entirely contentless posts is a good start

Never forget.

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Odd's post I quoted points to screen town odd scum. Look at the buddying toranaga has done to me after he attacked me for putting someone at L -1. Making sure to let everyone know he thinks I'm town despite my play. Making sure that everyone knows I'm the worst player know site but it's OK because toranaga understands how terrible I am based off one game alone and all the post games I've ever been in... At the same time. Like seriously. Toranaga is scum and I'll vote screen and he'll flip town if that's what it takes for me to show yall.

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I'll trade a town for scum every day.

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But you know. Toranaga just randomly claims Mason for absolutely no reason day 1 under no pressure at all... Yeah that makes sense doesn't it? He was just so sure he could get me lynched. Then he back tracked. Know the story is I'm an awful player. Meta dive me toranaga. You can pick one game from anyone's meta and call them trash because of it. That's not exactly the greatest case. Hell I'm sure you can pick 2 or 3 of mine. Not the majority though. So don't believe this crap of idk what I'm talking about he has pushed. It's the story he's using for his agenda.

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Doesn't change my vote. I'll believe it if screen is scum.

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I don't think I've seen a game this divided this far in. Pretty interesting.

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Toras slot is scum read. He comes in takes control of the game. Belittles those that don't agree with him. Speaks highly of those who do. Hmm...

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Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

^ I don’t like this reaction to being wagonned early. If screenplay were town I would expect more confusion than...annoyance I guess.

And no screen we don’t have enough to lynch you. But for an early wagon out of the random stages making 2 entirely contentless posts is a good start

Never forget.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: toranaga

[Tchill13]

Town

Tora, Maki, Dunn, Dave

Null

Jodaxq, wave (leaning scum), UCV, srceen, Innocent, HeWhoSwims

Scum

Tchill, Havo

This has been a crazy game. I wish I had some more solid scum reads, but nothing really pings my scumdar strongly. Lots of conflicting signals.

This hasn't been a crazy game it's not even began yet. It's day 1.

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I've never seen someone try to take charge but flip on reads so much. Toranaga should be lynched today. That's why you fake claim Mason day 1. Scum would be crazy to do that. That's why you do it.

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Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

For the love someone comment on why I'm not correct about this. Stop ignoring it.

[Tchill13]

If you're worth anything as scum you do what scum wouldn't do. That's how you play scum.

[Tchill13]

Ok I'll try to be sensible here because my play to generate actions and reactions so far has discredited yalls opinions of my reads...Where's the town motivation in what toranaga has done? He replaces into a scum read slot, takes control of the game. Gives reads backs them up. Back tracks on reads. Flip flops on reads. Claims Mason and calls out his partner for literally no reason... I'll be happy to explain why I've done what I've done starting now. I'd like to point out I am not cocky you can check my games and see for yourself, I do not brag about my own play. This is the first game I've done such and boy did it generate some content which is what I was hoping it'd do. Now tell me why toranaga is town and ask me anything.

[Tchill13]

That's cool. I didn't just provide anything to comment on whatsoever.

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wavemode is a low info lynch. since we've talked about my meta im sure you can find a game where i was town and put someone on L-1 at the beginning of the game.

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Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

For the love someone comment on why I'm not correct about this. Stop ignoring it.

If you're worth anything as scum you do what scum wouldn't do. That's how you play scum.

just so everyone knows, this is the actual logic tchill is using to scumhunt.

just so everyone knows. my first quote is the logic im using to scum hunt.

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I don't see how you can't at least consider Tora to be town right now. Fakeclaiming mason would be near suicide for the scumteam.

Tchill my townread on you is dropping. Not really seeing the contributions in your recent posts. I think Tora's vote flipping is a testimony of him re-reading the game and keeping an open mind and not tunnelling.

i mean i definitely can consider it. i actually wont be too surprised if he is i can see how i totally messed up my read. i'm not one to ignore a very, very strong gut read. i usually dont play according to gut but as i said its fairly strong which rarely happens. ive laid out why hes scum and how he would be playing it. its useless though. an opinion has been formed that i have no idea what im talking about. just means ill get to play the game longer so its cool with me.

[Tchill13]

Ok I'll try to be sensible here because my play to generate actions and reactions so far has discredited yalls opinions of my reads...Where's the town motivation in what toranaga has done? He replaces into a scum read slot, takes control of the game. Gives reads backs them up. Back tracks on reads. Flip flops on reads. Claims Mason and calls out his partner for literally no reason... I'll be happy to explain why I've done what I've done starting now. I'd like to point out I am not cocky you can check my games and see for yourself, I do not brag about my own play. This is the first game I've done such and boy did it generate some content which is what I was hoping it'd do. Now tell me why toranaga is town and ask me anything.

what reads

all I see is whining and throwing shade tbh.

thats what you've made it appear like so of course you'd say this.

[Tchill13]

wavemode is a low info lynch. since we've talked about my meta im sure you can find a game where i was town and put someone on L-1 at the beginning of the game.

How is a low info lynch now any different from lynching someone on page 2?

because if its a low info lynch NOW we've wasted 30 PLUS pages after you all screamed and cried longer day 1s benefit town but now we are settling on a low info lynch when everyone agrees im an idiot or scum. how odd is that? this is why you lynch on pg 2. no real info comes out of day 1. town talk in circles day 1. it happens every time. A freaking low info lynch is what we are gonna settle on lol. absurd.

[Tchill13]

ding ding we have a winner. i mean he's definitely gonna get lynched. without me of course.

[Tchill13]

why lynch havo over me?

[Tchill13]

how am i not at L-2 if ppl believe the things they are saying about me?

[Tchill13]

flip flopping could show a willingness to change reads. it could also be smoke and mirrors to display scum hunting. you've stated im scum or an idiot. either way im a detriment. so why no vote? why wavemode or havo over me? because if you refuse to vote me it shows how towny you are despite voting a detriment because you know they are town.

[Tchill13]

you either lynch me and im completely off and save town from any more trouble or you lynch me over wavemode, a much more high info lynch and get some good reads coming out of it. so why no vote?

[Tchill13]

you could have lynched havo without me before this point but you decided to spear head wavemode. why is that?

[Tchill13]

you either lynch me and im completely off and save town from any more trouble or you lynch me over wavemode, a much more high info lynch and get some good reads coming out of it. so why no vote?

[Tchill13]

man you really thought wave was scum.

[Tchill13]

null.

[Tchill13]

is havo not the one with experience with you?

[Tchill13]

game advancing... on pg 2? thats why he was lol'ing. odd's posts looks like a mixture of: buddying, "im town", lets explore this. havos post looks like he's fos'ing odd for saying game advancing.

[Tchill13]

If only someone had the guts to hammer we could have a great Day 1.

On second thought, why not try to drum up support with logic and reasoning instead of bullying?

Logic and reason on Day 1 is a waste of time.

do you agree with havo here? do you think it's fair game to hammer someone that signed up for this 2 pages into day 1? you said you made your play for reactions, what do you think of havo's play though? is this for reactions, or just getting someone lynched? what do you think of 'if someone had the guts to hammer'? don't you think this is an invitational for scum to just go 'yolo' on this and hammer? otherwise, when havo uses the word 'guts' here, does it give you the impression he is talking especifically about town players?

look man. i want joking saying i wish i could have hammered him on pg 1. "fair" is laughable. like you can sign up for games and its an easy process. it is an invitation for scum to hammer. i did do it for reactions. I also ACTUALLY wanted someone to hammer. like... im not joking day 1s are a waste of time. 35 pages in we are lynching a lurking low content candidate. its a joke.

[Tchill13]

be careful. you said "guts" so you were apparently only inviting town to hammer. lord knows what popcorn means.

[Tchill13]

ok. so havo wanted to lynch screen on pg 2 to create a negotiable event due to the lynch of a player and to bring forth night actions. we want to lynch wavemode on pg 37. "lurking" is our reason. Preserving townies do not win town this game. If lurking is what we came up with screen has just as much a chance on pg 2 to flip scum has wavemode does on pg 36. townies will die, people will have to go through the awful, terrible sign up process. it'll be ok toranaga. i'll need a better reason than lurking on pg 37... sorry. even lynching me would be better. i'll literally lynch anyoneevery time that early. youve made me wait though so now im gonna need that magical reason that pops up after we have hit a certain pg count on day 1 and lurking isnt it.

[Tchill13]

your reason for voting havo is hot poo. i had not done"heavy work" up to that point yet. havo was supposed to have hard TRs and SRs before pg 108. what kind of utter garbage is this?

[Tchill13]

*puts palm on face, gives up*

[Tchill13]

2 reasons to lynch havo based on literally one word. good scum hunting man.

[Tchill13]

*puts palm on face, gives up*

*does it on command because i cant think straight without toranaga*

[Tchill13]

tchill, when you read someone and your brain goes 'oh look it's an 'i'm town' post', that normally means they're town.

what's the problem with game advancing on page two? do you understand how mafia works, tchill? if you understand how mafia works, you understand what odd meant with 'game advancing'. Havo made no reads and just tried to get someone lynched. those are literally his first posts, read his ISO right now. the first posts before this one where he literally OMGUS the guy for voting him, are just 'let's lynch already' posts.

Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

For the love someone comment on why I'm not correct about this. Stop ignoring it.

[Tchill13]

tchill, when you read someone and your brain goes 'oh look it's an 'i'm town' post', that normally means they're town.

what's the problem with game advancing on page two? do you understand how mafia works, tchill? if you understand how mafia works, you understand what odd meant with 'game advancing'. Havo made no reads and just tried to get someone lynched. those are literally his first posts, read his ISO right now. the first posts before this one where he literally OMGUS the guy for voting him, are just 'let's lynch already' posts.

Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

For the love someone comment on why I'm not correct about this. Stop ignoring it.

[Tchill13]

maki is conftown and has as many posts as there are pages...?

[Tchill13]

if you MAKE SENSE
AND LOOK TOWNY

YOU'RE SCUM

LIKE

FJA8D348D83DJ

alright done for the day

well you have FOS'ed everyone twice i hope you are.

[Tchill13]

See that's your exact problem UCV

Your view is they were just some posts about pot

Not, "they was some talk of pot, but they were within the context of a broader discussion that was contributing meaningful discourse to the game"

And you felt the need to focus on just those posts rather than on other player interactions that were happening at the time. You're not reading critically enough, and you have the wrong mindset

What that says about your alignment, I'm still debating, but I'm leaning toward scum

this is seriously hysterical that this is seen as a decent case.

[Tchill13]

NO. IM AN IDIOT. IVE LOST MY MIND. i have absolutely no reason to give my opinion on anything whatsoever but im not the one we will vote out?

[Tchill13]

alright

vote: tchill

I'll laugh at you when you flip green

I'll find it very very amusing, buddy

he literally already prepared for when i flipped green lmao.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: srceenplay

Is this an RVS vote?

Either way this isn’t. VOTE: screenplay

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

screen, toranaga, maki is the scum team.

[Tchill13]

thats early distancing. when has anyone seen masons in a mini normal?

[Tchill13]

toranaga i respect your ability to portray me as an idiot who doesnt know what he's talking about.

[Tchill13]

if we lynch one of those 3 and they flip town right now i will self vote day 2.

[Tchill13]

i need instructions on how to look at the archives of mini normals to see how many times masons have been included in mini normals.

[Tchill13]

idk. thats the scum team though.

[Tchill13]

would yall rather me replace out? since im insane of course. ok i'll replace out if we lynch one of those 3 today and they're town. fair?

[Tchill13]

would yall rather me replace out? since im insane of course. ok i'll replace out if we lynch one of those 3 today and they're town. fair?

I'd rather you replace out yes

alright lets vote screen, maki or toranaga and i'll replace out if town. 2 are claimed masons. one is screen. so lets lynch screen. toranaga wanted to lynch him earlier anyways. odd distanced pretty early. so i dont see the problem.

[Tchill13]

You also seem certain about who the scum team is and there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why Dunn and I have fallen off your list.

i was wrong about you two. plain and simple.

[Tchill13]

come on toranaga. lynch screen and if he flips town you wont have to deal with me anymore.

[Tchill13]

Tch feels like bad town try again Dunn.
Plus I'm a townread for people? Neat

lynch havo next gameday

and then lynch tchill cause he deserves it d3

and then who knows

but I'm deadset on UC and Havo being scum right now, and it has the tchill seal of approval cause he thinks the cases against them are shit

maki and tor both believe im an idiot. one is conf town and hasnt contributed much at all. tor was certain screen was drunk due to drunk posting. lets lynch screen.

[Tchill13]

alright beef. gimme some questions to answer.

[Tchill13]

Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

whats wrong with this mindset beef?

[Tchill13]

Screw my Innocent case. That's something for another day.

VOTE: Tchill

Even if I'm wrong about you, you make a half-decent policy lynch. I have not seen much of anything pro-town from you.

policy lynches only benefit scum.

[Tchill13]

if i answer it will you answer 964?

[Tchill13]

Ok. Pushed me for L-1. Threw or agreed with shade against me for my screen compliment in another game, pushed me for high horse attitude. If anyone falls underneath these categories you're a scum lean. If you fall under all 3 you're scum. You know what scum love more than anything? Any cases against people that are actually town that make sense, are easy to push with fake ambition and make the one pushing the case look towny. All 3 of those reasons apply to that philosophy. That being said I'll leave it up to all the other players to distinguish who falls into those categories and if that philosophy is worth working with. The players that it doesn't apply to of course.

whats wrong with this mindset beef?

Because it's a weak-ass case on things that aren't really AI.

fair enough. you believe what you believe.

[Tchill13]

So you're reaching/tunneling on screen and you're WIFOMing on Tora/Maki. You have nothing substantial.

screen hasnt scum hunted. half is "drunk post" half is just bland content. maki hasnt scum hunted. done nothing really. Toranaga has FOS'ed almost everyone at least twice. took control of the game and caused a bunch of confusion. had a fake 1v1 with screen about drunk posting. talked himself in circles. "smoke and mirrors" of scum hunting D1.

[Tchill13]

i want to be told why wavemode's iso is much more lurkier than maki's iso.

[Tchill13]

all i want before im lynched is to know how many mini normals have had masons in them.

[Tchill13]

why would my play benefit me as scum here? why would i attack a mason claim when i could have lynched multiple ppl already? explain that without using my own logic of scum do what scum wouldnt do.

[Tchill13]

^ have you been asleep? wave was V/LA for most of the week. Of course he's lurky. Finals are exhausting. I don't blame him tbh.

wasnt he at L-2 for lurking?

[Tchill13]

I think beefster and HWS have been towny in this page, which reflexively makes me unsure about this screenplay wagon because both are potential scum partners for him and I can't close a 3 person team with screenplay quite as easily anymore.

I suggest we lynch wavemode instead. everyone else posting gives at least some mild town vibes, which increases the scum equity in an otherwise null slot

vote: wave

That's L-2 I think

[Tchill13]

all i want before im lynched is to know how many mini normals have had masons in them.

There is absolutely nothing prohibiting them and that's all that matters. I've checked the wiki quite a lot in preparation for a game I want to mod and they are considered normal and are therefore fair game.

Enough with the setup speculation.

NO sir. im not dropping that.

[Tchill13]

ok. so theoretically had maki not claimed mason she could have been pushed for the same thing right? no difference in iso to my eye.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): Toranaga, UC Voyager, Tchill13, HeWhoSwims

Toranaga

(3): wavemode, Jodaxq, Srceenplay

Tchill13

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

davesaz

(1): I Am Innocent

HeWhoSwims

(1): Havo

Dunnstral

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(1): davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:41:34)

I think beefster and HWS have been towny in this page, which reflexively makes me unsure about this screenplay wagon because both are potential scum partners for him and I can't close a 3 person team with screenplay quite as easily anymore.

I suggest we lynch wavemode instead. everyone else posting gives at least some mild town vibes, which increases the scum equity in an otherwise null slot

vote: wave

tor merely suggest the lynch of a lurker with a similar iso to his "mason" partner and he's ran up to L-2... thats not concerning at all?

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

wavemode

(5): Maki Harukawa, Toranaga, Havo, davesaz, Jodaxq

Srceenplay

(2): UC Voyager, HeWhoSwims

Toranaga

(2): wavemode, Tchill13

I Am Innocent

(1): Beefster

Tchill13

(1): Dunnstral

Beefster

(1): I Am Innocent

Not Voting

(1): Srceenplay

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:41:05)

at the peak of the wagon maki is voting with toranaga here. screen not voting at all.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, oddmusic

I Am Innocent

(1): Havo

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Tchill13

(1): UC Voyager

HeWhoSwims

(1): Srceenplay

Not Voting

(5): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq, Maki Harukawa, Tchill13, Beefster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:05)

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(5): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, Havo, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Srceenplay, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): oddmusic

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:11)

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

[Tchill13]

No, because I base my cases on what people post, not on how much they post. Yeah, sure, gaps between posts

can

mean something, but they generally don't. You have to remember that this is a hobby, not a job. Most of us have work/school/life that prevent us from devoting

all

of our attention to games.

i agree with this. im just stating wave and maki have similar isos.

[Tchill13]

maki has voted wave then dun then back to dave. not voting screen a single time according to vote counts.

[Tchill13]

No, because I base my cases on what people post, not on how much they post. Yeah, sure, gaps between posts

can

mean something, but they generally don't. You have to remember that this is a hobby, not a job. Most of us have work/school/life that prevent us from devoting

all

of our attention to games.

i agree with this. im just stating wave and maki have similar isos.

What does that have to do with anything?

because it means other than the mason claim there is literally no difference between maki and wave. Yet maki voted wave who was ran up to L-2. For having a similar iso. My point is the only difference in the players is the mason claim.

[Tchill13]

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

Because he realized he was wrong. Geez. Context. Use it.

OR odd distanced from his scum buddy early and freaked out then jumped off.

[Tchill13]

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

Because he realized he was wrong. Geez. Context. Use it.

OR odd distanced from his scum buddy early and freaked out then jumped off.

odd has no reason at this point to believe screen is more town or scum. he can SAY whatever. pg 2 is too quick foor good reasoning though.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: screen play L-1

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

Odd is the FIRST to unvote. All we can take from this for certain is that Odd didn't want screen lynched. For what reason we can not be sure. I believe he voted his scum partner to distance early then took it off so his scum partner wasn't lynched. Tor and Maki have been dealing with me the same way for two thirds of the game. "tchill is crazy" thats all theyve said. its worked.

[Tchill13]

maki has voted wave then dun then back to dave. not voting screen a single time according to vote counts.

She also didn't vote on a lot of other people. Try again.

...

No actually, stop trying. You're trying way too hard.

Once you realized that my wagon wasn't going anywhere, you backed off and moved on to Tora... Or something. I don't really remember how it played out exactly. Now I'm suddenly off your list with no substantial explanation as to why. Now you're voting against a confirmed mason and trying to use setup speculation to prove that there are no masons. I don't like it one bit.

A) why would scum do this when we could have already lynched and B) the reason i voted you lines up with everyone else i've voted or pushed except screen. Screen is an association read for the most part.

[Tchill13]

Odd's post I quoted points to screen town odd scum. Look at the buddying toranaga has done to me after he attacked me for putting someone at L -1. Making sure to let everyone know he thinks I'm town despite my play. Making sure that everyone knows I'm the worst player know site but it's OK because toranaga understands how terrible I am based off one game alone and all the post games I've ever been in... At the same time. Like seriously. Toranaga is scum and I'll vote screen and he'll flip town if that's what it takes for me to show yall.

just putting this here

yes sir. good point. i never thought odd and screen could have beenon the same time till now. was sure i would have to address this. glad it was TORANAGA of ALL PEOPLE that brought it up.

[Tchill13]

Your theory is reaching and based on something that happened in RVS. You are not taking into account the 20+ pages that have accumulated over the weekend.

Context does not support your theory.

context was gonna lead to a wavemode lynch. someone with a similar iso to maki.

[Tchill13]

when I was wagoning screen I was scum and screen was town

now that I'm not, screen is scum again but now I'm scum with him anyway and everything else was distancing

whatever I do I'm scum and I'm mislynching

great way to portray me as tunneling and i have no clue what im talking about. like i said youre doing a good job. im helping you a lot though.

[Tchill13]

Just because two people have similar playstyles doesn't mean they have the same alignment.

missing the point. Wavemode was gonna get lynched for the same thing maki was doing. wavemode is town. maki isnt.

[Tchill13]

its the reasoning for the lynch thats so important.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, oddmusic

I Am Innocent

(1): Havo

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Tchill13

(1): UC Voyager

HeWhoSwims

(1): Srceenplay

Not Voting

(5): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq, Maki Harukawa, Tchill13, Beefster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:05)

Official Vote Count

Beefster

(3): Jodaxq, Srceenplay, Tchill13

Tchill13

(2): UC Voyager, Beefster

Havo

(2): oddmusic, davesaz

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Srceenplay

(1): Havo

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

oddmusic

(1): wavemode

daveasz

(1): I Am Innocent

Not Voting

(1): Dunnstral

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:42:09)

Official Vote Count

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Dunnstral, Beefster

Toranaga

(3): wavemode, Jodaxq, Tchill13

davesaz

(2): I Am Innocent, Toranaga

HeWhoSwims

(2): Havo, Srceenplay

Havo

(1): HeWhoSwims

Dunnstral

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(1): davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:41:23)

mod note: wavemode is v/la until tomorrow

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): Toranaga, UC Voyager, Tchill13, HeWhoSwims

Toranaga

(3): wavemode, Jodaxq, Srceenplay

Tchill13

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

davesaz

(1): I Am Innocent

HeWhoSwims

(1): Havo

Dunnstral

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(1): davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:41:34)

my whole case is scum would be stupid to mason claim day 1 and thats why they'd do it. then theres screen and associations.

[Tchill13]

didnt mean to quote but thats screen vote changes.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Toranaga

UNVOTE:

votes tor, drunk posts then unvotes tor for little to no reason.

[Tchill13]

its the reasoning for the lynch thats so important.

And you're reasoning sucks. I find that to be an important factor in why

you

should be lynched.

it sucks when im trying to convince ppl. only in that context does it suck. half the game is finding scum half is convincing. i have failed at the convincing part.

[Tchill13]

my whole case is scum would be stupid to mason claim day 1 and thats why they'd do it. then theres screen and associations.

wheres the proof im wifoming?

[Tchill13]

seems like he could have unvoted at the time of the claim? didnt even give a reason.

[Tchill13]

i appreciate you answering for him though.

[Tchill13]

search.php?keywords=masons%28mason%29&t ... sf=msgonly

there have been 17 mini normals on site with pre determined masons.

[Tchill13]

I’ve aleays been 100% at the end of D1. Its my meta

I’m done for the rest of the day.
Peace

so we should lynch you then

if your meta is being 100% right at the end of D1, why are you voting a town mason?

oops

^

screenplay left for the day, then I claimed my masonry in my next post so no, he wouldn't necessarily unvote cause he didn't necessarily read that at the time

you're wrong that it was without a reason. so what else do you want?

it may not have been without but the reason can not be determined.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: srceenplay

Is this an RVS vote?

Either way this isn’t. VOTE: screenplay

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

screen, toranaga, maki is the scum team.

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, oddmusic

I Am Innocent

(1): Havo

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Tchill13

(1): UC Voyager

HeWhoSwims

(1): Srceenplay

Not Voting

(5): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq, Maki Harukawa, Tchill13, Beefster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:05)

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(5): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, Havo, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Srceenplay, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): oddmusic

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:11)

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

Because he realized he was wrong. Geez. Context. Use it.

OR odd distanced from his scum buddy early and freaked out then jumped off.

VOTE: screen play L-1

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

Odd is the FIRST to unvote. All we can take from this for certain is that Odd didn't want screen lynched. For what reason we can not be sure. I believe he voted his scum partner to distance early then took it off so his scum partner wasn't lynched. Tor and Maki have been dealing with me the same way for two thirds of the game. "tchill is crazy" thats all theyve said. its worked.

search.php?keywords=masons%28mason%29&t ... sf=msgonly

there have been 17 mini normals on site with pre determined masons.

ok thats my case on the scum team. basically its a death sentence if scum claim mason day 1. Well folks maki and tor are crazy enough to do it. thankfully odd attempted to distance early. theres your scum team.

[Tchill13]

Odd's post I quoted points to screen town odd scum. Look at the buddying toranaga has done to me after he attacked me for putting someone at L -1. Making sure to let everyone know he thinks I'm town despite my play. Making sure that everyone knows I'm the worst player know site but it's OK because toranaga understands how terrible I am based off one game alone and all the post games I've ever been in... At the same time. Like seriously. Toranaga is scum and I'll vote screen and he'll flip town if that's what it takes for me to show yall.

just putting this here

yes sir. good point. i never thought odd and screen could have beenon the same time till now. was sure i would have to address this. glad it was TORANAGA of ALL PEOPLE that brought it up.

and here's this for when its brought up again. i just simply didnt think of the scenario. didnt hit me until i iso'ed odd for a mason crumb.

[Tchill13]

Odd's post I quoted points to screen town odd scum. Look at the buddying toranaga has done to me after he attacked me for putting someone at L -1. Making sure to let everyone know he thinks I'm town despite my play. Making sure that everyone knows I'm the worst player know site but it's OK because toranaga understands how terrible I am based off one game alone and all the post games I've ever been in... At the same time. Like seriously. Toranaga is scum and I'll vote screen and he'll flip town if that's what it takes for me to show yall.

just putting this here

yes sir. good point. i never thought odd and screen could have beenon the same time till now. was sure i would have to address this. glad it was TORANAGA of ALL PEOPLE that brought it up.

and here's this for when its brought up again. i just simply didnt think of the scenario. didnt hit me until i iso'ed odd for a mason crumb.

VOTE: srceenplay

Is this an RVS vote?

Either way this isn’t. VOTE: screenplay

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

screen, toranaga, maki is the scum team.

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, oddmusic

I Am Innocent

(1): Havo

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Tchill13

(1): UC Voyager

HeWhoSwims

(1): Srceenplay

Not Voting

(5): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq, Maki Harukawa, Tchill13, Beefster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:05)

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(5): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, Havo, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Srceenplay, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): oddmusic

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:11)

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

Because he realized he was wrong. Geez. Context. Use it.

OR odd distanced from his scum buddy early and freaked out then jumped off.

VOTE: screen play L-1

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

Odd is the FIRST to unvote. All we can take from this for certain is that Odd didn't want screen lynched. For what reason we can not be sure. I believe he voted his scum partner to distance early then took it off so his scum partner wasn't lynched. Tor and Maki have been dealing with me the same way for two thirds of the game. "tchill is crazy" thats all theyve said. its worked.

search.php?keywords=masons%28mason%29&t ... sf=msgonly

there have been 17 mini normals on site with pre determined masons.

ok thats my case on the scum team. basically its a death sentence if scum claim mason day 1. Well folks maki and tor are crazy enough to do it. thankfully odd attempted to distance early. theres your scum team.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Dunn

Let's see what happens. You get your wish for now.

[Tchill13]

I still fully believe that you 3 are the scum team I just feel this is my best course of action to convince others.

[Tchill13]

search.php?keywords=masons%28mason%29&t ... sf=msgonly

there have been 17 mini normals on site with pre determined masons.

My 3 player masonry is not in there, that can’t be all of them.

The masonry is not getting lynched D1. If you want to push screen then do that. But the other two are not getting lynched today and your feelings are noted.

Could you link your 3p masonry?

[Tchill13]

I appreciate it. I checked multiple times to make sure I got them all. That was my first time doing trying to check them so I apologize. Either way I could settle for a screen lynch preferably. I understand the resistance to vote claimed masons day 1 and am willing to play accordingly. If we can Lynch wave for lurking I don't see the issue with lynching screen.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: screen

[Tchill13]

Maki you were on the wave mode wagon? Why not vote screen here? Why is a UC vote more justified than a screen play vote?

[Tchill13]

In all seriousness, let's pick up where I left off

VOTE: Tchill

Seriously? None of the 3 died and you're rushing to Lynch me? Lmao. You're not scum just an... Well I'll leave it at that. Screen should be lynched today. At work. Will post tonight.

[Tchill13]

Oh boy. Can't wait until toranaga and maki explain why scum would leave 2 conf town players alive. Screen is scum btw. By association he's scum with tora and maki. I've already made this case. Then matter of factly none of them die. I'm not sure why I'm the only one seeing this.