Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[Chip Butty]

Suspects for today should be CK, Creature, texcat, and Mutant, in that order. Don't forget the early role fishing. Sometimes VIs roll scum.

Later...

[Creature]

Like the way texcat started to be considered as a lynch option, is it scum despair?

[Creature]

Don't forget the early role fishing.

Sure, mutant was rolefishing his scumbuddy...

[Viomi]

Suspects for today should be CK, Creature, texcat, and Mutant, in that order. Don't forget the early role fishing. Sometimes VIs roll scum.

Later...

Annnnd why'd you take Lalendra off that list? Your light perusal of her ISO gained you a couple fluff posts which you lied about and her one good post, her entrance post. Was that enough for you to remove her from your suspect list entirely?

[Viomi]

Don't forget the early role fishing.

Sure, mutant was rolefishing his scumbuddy...

Right?? lmfao

[Viomi]

Also I love how Chip has never given his opinion on texcat until right now where he's on the lynch list just for good measure, right in the middle just in case texcat dies at some point so he can get towncred.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Vote Count 2.16

CommKnight (2) - Chip Butty, northsidegal,
Creature (1) - CityElectric
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (1) -
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (4) - mutantdevle, CommKnight, texcat, Momo
Lil Uzi Vert (1) - Viomi, Aster, Creature
momo (1) - KidAmn
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting:
With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
Deadline Timer (expired on 2017-12-30 07:00:00)

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[Creature]

I gotta decide on whether Chip is VI or just scum, but I'm leaning back to "just scum".

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Fluff is not an AI thing either. There’s no motivation to do it and if you believe that prod dodging is one, consider that moderators can just force replace players they deem to be purposefully trying to not get prodded.

Uhh.. Actually, no they can't! You don't force replace players as long as they aren't breaking rules or getting their third prod. Fluff posting is entirely viable for scum. Did you not READ the mafiascum wiki pages I linked that explicitly contradict what you're saying?

Yes they can

I have. The wiki isn’t gospel my friend. It’s just a guide for beginners to understand the basics. Most of the theory on there is very outdated in practice because the majority of players have realized that town commit “scum tells” just as frequently as scum do and vice-versa.

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Chip
You should know better than this.

I personally think Mutant is newbtown. Not sure on anyone else yet.

I would be fine with lynching either Pisskop or mutant.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

Assembler, do you have any thoughts to share? All you've said is that you thought Mutant was newbtown, but you were ok with his lynch?

I will occasionally help lynch someone whom I townread if I believe the wagon can be mined for data.

Also in before people now claim pisskop is also a scum buddy since he is defending my point on asking if textcat wants to role claim.

Wait, what? Where is he doing that?

Post 415.

I don't see it.

I'm willing to do it.
VOTE: Pisskop
Let this day not be wasted.

Happy birthday, Creature!
Poisoning appears to be just Elmo being creative.

VOTE: Viomi
Despite their claims, they're actually looking less knowledgeable about Pick Your Power vs. Pick Your Poison than they did at the start.

Tex, this is the entire Assembler ISO. What makes him green?

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

Actually, I've been sispicious of texcat since back here, when the Viomi wagon was the main game.

Show me where Lalendra was on my scumlist?

[Viomi]

Fluff is not an AI thing either. There’s no motivation to do it and if you believe that prod dodging is one, consider that moderators can just force replace players they deem to be purposefully trying to not get prodded.

Uhh.. Actually, no they can't! You don't force replace players as long as they aren't breaking rules or getting their third prod. Fluff posting is entirely viable for scum. Did you not READ the mafiascum wiki pages I linked that explicitly contradict what you're saying?

Yes they can

I have. The wiki isn’t gospel my friend. It’s just a guide for beginners to understand the basics. Most of the theory on there is very outdated in practice because the majority of players have realized that town commit “scum tells” just as frequently as scum do and vice-versa.

Umm.. So how do you get your reads if not scumtells and towntells?

[Viomi]

VOTE: Chip
You should know better than this.

I personally think Mutant is newbtown. Not sure on anyone else yet.

I would be fine with lynching either Pisskop or mutant.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

Assembler, do you have any thoughts to share? All you've said is that you thought Mutant was newbtown, but you were ok with his lynch?

I will occasionally help lynch someone whom I townread if I believe the wagon can be mined for data.

Also in before people now claim pisskop is also a scum buddy since he is defending my point on asking if textcat wants to role claim.

Wait, what? Where is he doing that?

Post 415.

I don't see it.

I'm willing to do it.
VOTE: Pisskop
Let this day not be wasted.

Happy birthday, Creature!
Poisoning appears to be just Elmo being creative.

VOTE: Viomi
Despite their claims, they're actually looking less knowledgeable about Pick Your Power vs. Pick Your Poison than they did at the start.

Tex, this is the entire Assembler ISO. What makes him green?

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

Actually, I've been sispicious of texcat since back here, when the Viomi wagon was the main game.

Show me where Lalendra was on my scumlist?

It is very very worrying if Lalendra ISN'T on your scumlist.

[Aster]

Lurking isn’t alignment indicative but I’m going to partly put to that the side for a bit. Why is dealing with situations in an aggressive way more likely to come from town than scum? I think it would be more helpful if you explored why Chip’s behavior is argumentative or hostile and determine if said behavior is genuine and what motivation behind it if any.

While I agree that lurking usually is NAI, Lalendra was participating in a rather extreme form of active lurking (without the activity), saying nothing but fluff to make it look like she was participating to some degree. That, I think, is alignment indicative.

With Chip being hostile, I refer to posts like 812, 1493 and 1499 where Chip takes the attitude "I'm not answering your questions because I think you're dumb". This attitude does benefit neither town nor mafia, so I guess it's motivated by his inner personality and therefore genuine. (What does "genuine" mean anyway? It looks like a buzzword that people keep throwing around...)

Fluff is not an AI thing either. There’s no motivation to do it and if you believe that prod dodging is one, consider that moderators can just force replace players they deem to be purposefully trying to not get prodded.

Moderate amounts of fluff isn't AI. High amounts of fluff, as in fluffing to make it look like you're playing the game while you aren't, I think is alignment indicative.

Also, whether moderators can theorethically force replace prodging players is irrelevant. They could probably replace anyone if they really wanted to. As a practical matter—the only one that actually matters, mods won't force replace prodging players unless they've written rules against it. This game has no rules against prodging nor has the mod spoken out against it, so we're free to assume prodging will keep you safe.

[Chip Butty]

Also I love how Chip has never given his opinion on texcat until right now where he's on the lynch list just for good measure, right in the middle just in case texcat dies at some point so he can get towncred.

How do i get towncred from texcat's death unless she is scum? Did you just scumslip lol?

[Chip Butty]

@Viomi: I won't have a final opinion until i finish my ISO. The stuff I've looked at so far doesn't look bad, for L. Like i said earlier, she's lynchbait.

[Chip Butty]

I gotta decide on whether Chip is VI or just scum, but I'm leaning back to "just scum".

As for you, you are in no position to call anyone either VI or scum.

[Chip Butty]

Of xourse, sometimes lynchbait rolls scum too...

[Chip Butty]

I'm thinking LUV doesn't look bad in the Lalendra slot so far.

Btw @LUV: my suspicion of CK is mainly based on his horseshit setup reasoning. I think he knows better.

[Chip Butty]

I was way more hostile to a certain player in mn 1946. We were both town.

@Aster: check it out. I was also hostile as town in mn 1950 and some stupid R2R game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Fluff is not an AI thing either. There’s no motivation to do it and if you believe that prod dodging is one, consider that moderators can just force replace players they deem to be purposefully trying to not get prodded.

Uhh.. Actually, no they can't! You don't force replace players as long as they aren't breaking rules or getting their third prod. Fluff posting is entirely viable for scum. Did you not READ the mafiascum wiki pages I linked that explicitly contradict what you're saying?

Yes they can

I have. The wiki isn’t gospel my friend. It’s just a guide for beginners to understand the basics. Most of the theory on there is very outdated in practice because the majority of players have realized that town commit “scum tells” just as frequently as scum do and vice-versa.

Umm.. So how do you get your reads if not scumtells and towntells?

I hunt for motivation. I try to see and understand the intention behind an action. If there is motivation for an action from either alignment, I use experience to determine likelihood.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Geninue means sincerely felt or expressed Aster. Honest if you will.

Since you believe Chip’s hostile behavior to be geninue, you should when get a chance try and see if he’s often like this as town. Or, just focus on what he’s doing. Who is he defending? Who is he pushing? Why does he believe someone is scum? Etc.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I hate to focus on theory but I feel like it’s all I can do at this point if I’m being voted for actions that I believe aren’t AI.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Just please think about how the PK lynch went down. Try to think if you learned anything about how his wagon formed.

[Creature]

"geninue"

[Viomi]

Also I love how Chip has never given his opinion on texcat until right now where he's on the lynch list just for good measure, right in the middle just in case texcat dies at some point so he can get towncred.

How do i get towncred from texcat's death unless she is scum? Did you just scumslip lol?

"unless she is scum"

She's scum, duh