In post 979, Creature wrote:You TR mastina because you expected her to do better as scum, right?
Bluntly?
Yes.
As scum I don't strongarm control the game...but I still control the game. I influence it. I forget the exact terminology I've described it as before, but I described my process as scum in Rogue One: where I prefer to let the town eat itself alive and I subtly influence them to do so. I don't go all-out on players. I don't put myself out there to make a strong case, because I know that the strategy draws too much attention to myself and is likely to backfire hard.
Basically as scum I am a lazy manipulative bitch. I let the town fight itself, and I make it a point to not be in their midst, because I know they will focus on one another. I give them someone better, each and every time. They focus on one another, then when one goes down, the next follows, and while they call me scum they don't follow through because there's always someone they think is more worthy of the lynch.
So this isn't my scum MO. My scumgame is just.
Better. My scumgame is more subtle. My scumgame draws less attention to me.
But as town I am...well. While I have an ego when it comes to my scumplay, I don't actually SHOW it. As scum I will downplay it, I'll be more humble because that earns me allies. Yet as town I am my natural egotistical self. I do make everything about me, and I maintain that's not a bad thing--I become a sounding board, off of which others can bounce things. (That being said, it's much more effective if done in real time.)
Essentially as scum I'd never have fought and never deliberately drawn attention to myself and asked for spotlight. Those are hallmarks of my comparatively shitty towngame. My strategy, my play, isn't as good as town, but that's because I can't do my scumgame as town. Not for lack of trying (I actually think my scumgame makes a better towngame than my actual towngame does, thus, why I TRY to mimic it as town), but simply because I'm not able to pull it off. It's just not as good.
So yes.
Me not being better is valid evidence for me being town.
In post 982, RadiantCowbells wrote:Mastina is not as good a scum player as she thinks she is or claims to be and she couldn't pull that reckoner case off as scum. No offense to you Mastina.
Offense taken; this is the lower quality of my town cases; as scum my case would be
better
.
I feel like everyone should take a second to read mastina scum games because she's actually super weak about pushing people. Look at her blah as hell push on me in org 13. Or like anything she does as scum.
Frankly as scum I know what people consider my scumtells and try to subvert them when necessary; Organization XIII was a case where I felt it was necessitated for me to tone down my scum capabilities in order to not be caught as scum and for most of the game it worked. I was lynched more for POE purposes (everyone was more town than I was) more than I was for being seen as being in my scum meta. (In short, I wasn't seen as scum for meta, or even for play; I was just seen as less town.)
I wish Ginngie wasn't on mastinas team because anyone with Mastina experience should have her locktown rn
Not precisely. I don't think I'm obviously town in the conventional sense, where I bleed town, so much as I don't bleed scum. In THAT sense, yes, I'm town in that I bleed scum as scum (because scumastina is a cheeky scumfuck), but I'm not town for being obvtown.
I don't have a scum range.
There is nothing I cannot do in a game, be it as town or as scum.
There are things that I won't do as scum, and there are things I don't do as town.
Word usage rather intentional.
By which.
I mean.
I can do anything as either alignment--as scum, there are certain things I
won't
do. As scum, I have standards. As scum, there are certain lines I just refuse to cross. (One of the reasons I tell the truth as scum isn't just because I think it gives me the edge. It's also because I just genuinely think it unethical to, as scum, lie about some things. So instead, I tell the truth because the truth is something which there is no moral ambiguity in.)
And as town. There really aren't that many lines I intentionally refuse to cross. I am an ass as town. I will bitch, I will moan, I will complain, throw temper tantrums and demand to get what I want, more or less. It's just that in spite of me having not put thought into them. Despite not actually thinking about it. There are just some things that I don't actually do as town, for whatever reason.
Things that I theoretically am capable of doing, I just don't actually do them for whatever reason.
In post 983, Creature wrote:I want to sort as many players as possible rather than just votepark chesskid/Reck.
Well I'm giving thoughts on all of the players as I read the thread. I've given readslists even, but they're with the caveat that they are at those times in the thread with my reading and that when I get up to date I'll likely have a different one for you.
Over my dead body. Giving the hider to scum is guaranteeing its utility is wasted.
In post 993, chesskid3 wrote:Unless you have both me and reck as scum Reck is 100% town because either im the scum of us or I am town and 100% NOT. MISREADING. HIM.
I mean it goes without saying that's exactly what I think, but shouldn't really be a surprise.
Also, acknowledging the scumteam does not make it no longer exist.
In post 987, Aneninen wrote:Reckoner
Things like his
18 "actually Kilby just responded and said you're good at scum and Firebringer is easily caught so that's his explanation" – are seriously scummy. I've expressed my opinion before. In addition:
why
would have chosen Firebringer a scum-slot in the first place? Teams were able to assign players to slots freely. If they had sent RC here originally, they wouldn't have had to swap at all. See?
There are, how-can-I-say, "let's be friends" kind of nulls, too. Like
61. Scum need to do that, not townies.
Double-checked his
228, that readlist may or may not be genuine. Too much scum indeed, but could be playstyle-thing, too. Somehow, his later explanation, starting from
277 gave me worse vibes, but I can't put my finger on it, why. I can't find the part where he had 8 scumreads.
In
466 he says, f-ck meta. Still, he's using meta as a tool, eg. in
275 and later, in that flamewallwhatsyt with Mastina. Erm...?
I mean the rest of the wall I don't really agree with, but these points are pretty dead on the money. Especially the point about "fuck meta, but here's meta on why mastina is shit".
In post 996, Katyusha wrote:What scumhunting has he done? How has he made any effort to figure out the gamestate besides tunneling Mastina over what basically amounts to omgus (for a push that isn’t even scummy) and personal grudge?
Exactly! He has not scumhunted, and has dismissed the efforts of players doing scumhunting with a shitty justification which given his teammates' contributions is also hypocritical.
