Night Clan - [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

What are we waiting on? For Nos to claim, then daughters claim targets to clear ppl?

please pay attention to the damn game

[Kaito Momota]

Hi I haven't really read the game but I've seen the flips

What are we waiting on? For Nos to claim, then daughters claim targets to clear ppl?

please pay attention to the damn game

[Gamma Emerald]

They're internally consistent. I just got here, and besides looking at the game to make it register as read and the flps I haven't really been looking at the game in depth. Vax has been here the whole time and didn't realize I replaced Nos.

[Maki Harukawa]

Sup gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Maki
It's in my catch-up 1-5 as well but I'll state right now I'm thinking you're probably town here

[Maki Harukawa]

so me red alisae kaito are town

1 or 2 scum in the rest

feel like in order of most likely to least
Gamma=Ceph>Vax>Kokichi>Dan
Pedit: No offense but Nos was shit and I think you could be scum town it for me pal ty

[Cephrir]

Literally flip that list upside down

[Gamma Emerald]

so me red alisae kaito are town

1 or 2 scum in the rest

feel like in order of most likely to least
Gamma=Ceph>Vax>Kokichi>Dan
Pedit: No offense but Nos was shit and I think you could be scum town it for me pal ty

Will do
Kinda figured Nos was scumread by the fact the first post to me was someone telling me to claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Literally flip that list upside down

Does that mean you townread my slot?

[Maki Harukawa]

Why ceph? Dan lead on boring and was a CW

[Kokichi Oma]

Literally flip that list upside down

So true

[Kokichi Oma]

He didn't lead. Read. He voted her when he thought it was a safe vote. He never pushed boring.

[Kokichi Oma]

Alisae slot pushed Boring

[Cephrir]

Literally flip that list upside down

Does that mean you townread my slot?

somewhat

[Cephrir]

Why ceph? Dan lead on boring and was a CW

his play in a vacuum is just so blah

was snarky on that cw? if he wasnt then i dont care

[Kokichi Oma]

When I don't feel like super sleepy I'll have to read and evaluate the exchange between Nos/Oma/kyoto. Whatever that was seemed to spawn from out of the blue.

If I had to award anything, it would be slight town points to Nos and slight scum points to Oma, only because that exchange was perpetrated by Oma on a whim and I find it overzealous to vote Nos based on matching his antics.

Don't really think you're scum but I'm not gonna kick and scream over your lynch.

The only thing I was asking you to do and am asking now is to find a scum read and vote it. It can't be that hard. That's hardly kicking and screaming, that's just playing the game.

There's a lot wrong with 854. I've gone down the rabbit hole with Hinduragi and I've given my opinions on plenty of others too; if people don't read, analyze, and make conclusions from it that's on them not me. What does "His general Obscurity points more to scummy than towny." Does that have to do with my reads not being attuned to the general consensus? God forbid I have independent thoughts. Again with everyone's constant refrain of "I like the wagon composition". It truly makes me sick. The only difference here is that Boring provided reasons to go with it but to me it'd be better if those didn't exist at all.

Yuki is scum lurkaderping

I know I voted for the exact same reason boring did but I fee like boring did it because no one questioned mine

Allow me to continue to question yours again and again. You have a scum read that you aren't voting over a null read. Consolidation be damned.

Out of the 5 people currently voting me only

one

has an actual scum read on me. I don't really know where Cabd stands but I know it stands to reason he isn't reading closely since he voted me (in which despite claiming to proxy his vote to LLD hers wasn't yet on me).

At least for the Rompa Anime Avatars, think what you will, but they are at the least voting their stated scum reads. They are playing mafia. What I see above isn't it, and I can tell you it's frustrating to no end.

And to respond to Joey in particular you have no right to quote my wall and tell me I'm delusional about trying to push my scum read and not read it when, even were the fact that I understood that survival was on the line explicitly in that very post, pushing scum reads is correct play.

As well as the opportunity cost remark, like wow. You literally value anything I'd have to say less than a lurker lurking when you don't even think I'll flip scum.

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Kagami I don't know if Hindu would champion it. It's odd yes, I've thought that, that surely there'd be a better scum strategy and both of them would be start enough to know what that might be and how risky this one would be. I've tended to rationalize that that's WIFOM and try not to let that doubt cloud my judgement. I've been starting to waver a bit in regards to my scum read on LLD. Among other things I'm surprised she hasn't voted me yet. And I'm really spooked by the phenomenon that's occurring above.

So I'm going to vote Boring and see where the chips fall. I honestly could vote Cabd as well, since feels and reals together inform me that's where I'd feel a scum hides.

VOTE: Boring

For the record Hindu what are your thoughts on Kaito/Boring/Kokichi at the moment?

If there's reason to be concerned about AD, it's that he's leaning heavily on arguments that are objectively correct.

You'd be surprised what I can do when I actually bother to read a thread for understanding and detail. I know I have a habit of doing jack-all usually though, so I'll forgive you for that

After voting boring, this was his only post.

[Kokichi Oma]

Listen mafia is in ActionDan/Vax. There is a very small outside chance it's Hindu but I think it's not.

[Kokichi Oma]

Hinduragi - Town lean. Small chance he's scum
Gamma - Town
Kaito Momota - Townish
Cephrir - Town
Vaxkiller - Scummy
Alisae - Town
Kokichi Oma - Town
ActionDan - Scummy
Maki Harukawa - Townish only because I believe her anti town role could be a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

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Vote: Kotoko Utsugi

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
Using invisible text, codes,

cryptography,

etc.

Yeah...

LLD

, looking at you

Vote: Kotoko Utsugi

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
Using invisible text, codes,

cryptography,

etc.

Yeah...

LLD

, looking at you

>.>

<.<

My Playfair cypher was TOTALLY legal that game~ <3

What the hell is this about Hindu?

AD, your plan makes it impossible for masons to ever out their N1 results without completely revealing the set, and makes it extremely dangerous to even hint at them.

This ALSO actually makes claims at lynch pretty fucking terrible too.

Assuming 3-4 scum here...

Claims of "I'm a mason" are a terrible conundrum. We don't want a second mason to claim to confirm it should it be legit; but otoh as scum, a counterclaim still kills one of our three.

Whilst Cabd is dead now I'm baffled by this post, as he seems to be forgetting the Daughters have the ability to hide, and as such can't be directly killed by scum

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

This post prompts me to state it seems a lot of the early game discussion around hiders seems to be done by town, I don't know if I can extrapolate any good information from it though (good means in town's interest)

AD still prob town.

why

Ugh Nosferatu's new avatar triggers me every time I see it, thank god I can skip his posts

This is basically equivalent to having a publicly available lookup table with all combinations of masons and specifying what order they should visit players in. That makes sure the masons know who the other masons visited, and doesn't really allow for reverse engineering until the game is essentially over anyway.

I feel like this idea was alright, was this done or have daughters just been operating on their reads

I'm a hard _no_ on this code idea. I have no idea what your supposed to do.

Looking at his future thoughts I feel like this is okay but honestly he just rings scummy to me so far

There has to be a means of coordination or the masons just die and town learns nothing

^ x a billion

But that coordination could cost us everything.

This is fluffy fear-mongering.

If there's a rigged coin that lands in my favor 65% of the time, I'll bet the game on it happily even if there's a 35% chance that it costs me everything.

I guess this is a good description of what I'm feeling here: he's shooting down a theory, but he just seems to be doing it to do so, not because he truly believes it's faulty

If 1 daughter claims it'll be obv who is and who isn't a daughter due to who they let wagon and who they don't let wagon.
Just play the game out imo maybe say who you're hiding behind if you're a daughter we look back and check or play this game out normally if we keep doing this we'll overthink
Daughters know who they are correct?

Spoiler:

Good post, Maki starting out towny

If we make a plan I think it should be one where daughters don't have to out
I like playing this set up like coper13 where people basically say
"if I'm a daughter I'm hiding behind _____"

I think then it becomes very powerful to shoot people who have a lot of people hypo-hiding behind them.

That's why you spread out your answers!

Very good plan, this was discussed in a JK9++ game I replaced into recently (didn't really play it).

Hmm...
The issue is that scum knowing the dauthers is less of a problem than knowing who they'll hide behind, Kagami's method makes it easy to know if they hid behind scum or not, but also makes it easy for scum to coinflip predict who they'll hide behind so long as they know their identity, say im scum and my kill fails what am i supposed to think?, everything has it's pros and cons.

THIS GUY GETS IT
SINCE THEY'RE HIDERS, WE JUST NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM VISITING SCUM OR THE NIGHTKILL

the three scum

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

That's what I thought, I was dumb to think that

I just assumed it would be symmetric, tbh.

lol I had the same thinking, were LLD to still be alive I'd definitely be townreading her for this

what are you guys even doing scum wouldn't have 3 people anyway
VOTE: kaede

Hm I can kinda get why peopl have been scumreading my predecessor, so I'm prolly gonna be on the lookout for people who seem to be pocketing my slot

That's it indeed, you got it in one, it's because I have straw for brains and the raven told me to do it.

Nice Wizard of OZ reference

[Hinduragi]

Listen mafia is in ActionDan/Vax. There is a very small outside chance it's Hindu but I think it's not.

lolu

So yeah, there's 5 confirmed now that I've looked over the thread. Not feeling Nos/Vax slots as last scum tbh. Just gut. Vax is hella lost and I don't think he's nervous at all so I'm actually coming around on him. Not feeling Nos purely off gamma claim and reading up on the game, I don't think Nos makes the kills he does as scum. (also, this is pretty low but him getting replaced the way he did confirmed it sorta kinda so it's not Nos, lol)

@above: past game, defcon 1 or 3. I forget which. LLD was scum using cryptography and I was solving the crypto inthread as town. She started "helping" and solved her own crumbs and tried to use that to lead me off track. Then she got caught and lolnuked or something like that. It was hilarious and great.

[Hinduragi]

Actually, going off that Nos info, that's 6.

[Hinduragi]

This game may be hella broken. I think we should lynch in Ceph/AD.

Should I out daughters and confirm myself town so we can start getting our confirms locked in? Y/N? Need input from everyone obviously so noone is outed.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd be down for getting a confirm web going

[Kokichi Oma]

Ceph is town, and I say don't out the daughters. I say we lynch ActionDan and then vig shoot Vax if Alisae still has shots.

[Kokichi Oma]

Hindu can you full claim your role, as in what it is? You just know the daughters and that's it?