Night Clan - [Game Over]

[Hinduragi]

Hindu can you full claim your role, as in what it is? You just know the daughters and that's it?

I haven't claimed my flavor for a specific reason. At gamestart, I asked the mod if there was anyone else with my flavor name and he replied he couldn't answer. I know there are trolls, daughters, me (mistletoe), and night watch as possible role names because I'm semi-familiar with the flavor. I'm assuming Alisae will be night watch and noone else claimed anything so I doubt there's any other mistletoe's. I thought AD was the other for a good while until he claimed earlier.

I don't have anything else to say about my role though. It just has a box with ability in it. And inside the box is my doublevoting power saying to choose the day and then another line saying that I know x, x, and x are daughters. I think this is about as close as I can get as far as paraphrasing goes. It's also why I never wavered on LLD. I softed all throughout D1 that I knew she was town. Kagami called me out on this but I didn't respond for obvious reasons; I knew Kagami might catch on to it but I saw she wasn't pushing that info and I think she had an idea I might know LLD was daughter (and probably thought I was a daughter as a result). This actually helped me get a solid read on Kagami. I also think LLD never caught on though. I think she had an idea that I was super town but she had no clue that I knew who she was and saw through her gambit to softclaim non-daughter from post 1 onwards.

[Maki Harukawa]

I think I already know who the daughters are but you can out em if you want

[Cephrir]

I hadn't noticed until now that there are only 2 possible daughters

We might as well get their clears

[Cephrir]

*Unless maki is being clever.

[Hinduragi]

I'm gonna claim daughters in 3 minutes from this post

Speak now or hold your peace

[Maki Harukawa]

I figured I should out since I claimed non daughter many times by mistake.
but yeah I outted one cause it was kinda obv they were

[Alisae]

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Vote: Kotoko Utsugi

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
Using invisible text, codes,

cryptography,

etc.

Yeah...

LLD

, looking at you

Vote: Kotoko Utsugi

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
Using invisible text, codes,

cryptography,

etc.

Yeah...

LLD

, looking at you

>.>

<.<

My Playfair cypher was TOTALLY legal that game~ <3

What the hell is this about Hindu?

AD, your plan makes it impossible for masons to ever out their N1 results without completely revealing the set, and makes it extremely dangerous to even hint at them.

This ALSO actually makes claims at lynch pretty fucking terrible too.

Assuming 3-4 scum here...

Claims of "I'm a mason" are a terrible conundrum. We don't want a second mason to claim to confirm it should it be legit; but otoh as scum, a counterclaim still kills one of our three.

Whilst Cabd is dead now I'm baffled by this post, as he seems to be forgetting the Daughters have the ability to hide, and as such can't be directly killed by scum

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

This post prompts me to state it seems a lot of the early game discussion around hiders seems to be done by town, I don't know if I can extrapolate any good information from it though (good means in town's interest)

AD still prob town.

why

Ugh Nosferatu's new avatar triggers me every time I see it, thank god I can skip his posts

This is basically equivalent to having a publicly available lookup table with all combinations of masons and specifying what order they should visit players in. That makes sure the masons know who the other masons visited, and doesn't really allow for reverse engineering until the game is essentially over anyway.

I feel like this idea was alright, was this done or have daughters just been operating on their reads

I'm a hard _no_ on this code idea. I have no idea what your supposed to do.

Looking at his future thoughts I feel like this is okay but honestly he just rings scummy to me so far

There has to be a means of coordination or the masons just die and town learns nothing

^ x a billion

But that coordination could cost us everything.

This is fluffy fear-mongering.

If there's a rigged coin that lands in my favor 65% of the time, I'll bet the game on it happily even if there's a 35% chance that it costs me everything.

I guess this is a good description of what I'm feeling here: he's shooting down a theory, but he just seems to be doing it to do so, not because he truly believes it's faulty

If 1 daughter claims it'll be obv who is and who isn't a daughter due to who they let wagon and who they don't let wagon.
Just play the game out imo maybe say who you're hiding behind if you're a daughter we look back and check or play this game out normally if we keep doing this we'll overthink
Daughters know who they are correct?

Spoiler:

Good post, Maki starting out towny

If we make a plan I think it should be one where daughters don't have to out
I like playing this set up like coper13 where people basically say
"if I'm a daughter I'm hiding behind _____"

I think then it becomes very powerful to shoot people who have a lot of people hypo-hiding behind them.

That's why you spread out your answers!

Very good plan, this was discussed in a JK9++ game I replaced into recently (didn't really play it).

Hmm...
The issue is that scum knowing the dauthers is less of a problem than knowing who they'll hide behind, Kagami's method makes it easy to know if they hid behind scum or not, but also makes it easy for scum to coinflip predict who they'll hide behind so long as they know their identity, say im scum and my kill fails what am i supposed to think?, everything has it's pros and cons.

THIS GUY GETS IT
SINCE THEY'RE HIDERS, WE JUST NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM VISITING SCUM OR THE NIGHTKILL

the three scum

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

That's what I thought, I was dumb to think that

I just assumed it would be symmetric, tbh.

lol I had the same thinking, were LLD to still be alive I'd definitely be townreading her for this

what are you guys even doing scum wouldn't have 3 people anyway
VOTE: kaede

Hm I can kinda get why peopl have been scumreading my predecessor, so I'm prolly gonna be on the lookout for people who seem to be pocketing my slot

That's it indeed, you got it in one, it's because I have straw for brains and the raven told me to do it.

Nice Wizard of OZ reference

hi scum

[Hinduragi]

Hinduragi, don't be Vi, especially when you're somehow coming from a very similar place as I am while somehow arriving at a very wildly different conclusion.

I'm not. If I'm overconfident on anyone, it's Kaede/Josh. This is the wrong tree unless you've got reasons.

Don't tell me you haven't seen Vax's posts on this page either amid all this. They're all awful.

Please none of this lynch me then blind sheep me

God I used to hate that

And I used to do it too

Yeah, it's not that. Like I said, I'm not Vi. I'm not going to lose a fucking game just by being dumb. Like I said, trust me on my read. If you want to be able to trust me, lynch me and flip me town.

Right after putting words in my mouth, you say this. No, my dude. In fact, come post-game, it's gonna be "OH OK HINDU". Don't belittle me as if I'm blindly following LLD and putting her on some pedestal. I know she's town. That's fact.

This is LLD stuff I'm talking about.

[Cephrir]

Actually I didn't read that gamma post the first time but it's not too great

[Hinduragi]

I have role related reasons to believe Kaito is town

So 100% not Oma?

I think Oma is obvtown and so is Maki from play alone

They’re the two anime’s I’m sure of even though they’ve not been as active as someone like Kotoko

And these two animes above are the daughters. (Maki/Oma)

I thought AD was a possible mistletoe here crumbing to me that he knew I was one as well. Turns out I misread the signal. It also set me up very conveniently to crumb daughters in the case of my death after softclaiming on snarky. I was hoping you guys could rely on this in case it came down to one of you vs. counterclaiming scum after I died.

[Alisae]

Actually I didn't read that gamma post the first time but it's not too great

wow what an ultimate detective you are.

[Maki Harukawa]

I have role related reasons to believe Kaito is town

So 100% not Oma?

I think Oma is obvtown and so is Maki from play alone

They’re the two anime’s I’m sure of even though they’ve not been as active as someone like Kotoko

And these two animes above are the daughters. (Maki/Oma)

I thought AD was a possible mistletoe here crumbing to me that he knew I was one as well. Turns out I misread the signal. It also set me up very conveniently to crumb daughters in the case of my death after softclaiming on snarky. I was hoping you guys could rely on this in case it came down to one of you vs. counterclaiming scum after I died.

YOU'RE A MORON FOR OUTTING ME HOLY SHIT

[Maki Harukawa]

I soft so many times for you to call Kaito a daughter but holy shit

[Maki Harukawa]

then again you made it blatantly obv toy knew us half way in sweet Jesus

[Alisae]

I have role related reasons to believe Kaito is town

So 100% not Oma?

I think Oma is obvtown and so is Maki from play alone

They’re the two anime’s I’m sure of even though they’ve not been as active as someone like Kotoko

And these two animes above are the daughters. (Maki/Oma)

I thought AD was a possible mistletoe here crumbing to me that he knew I was one as well. Turns out I misread the signal. It also set me up very conveniently to crumb daughters in the case of my death after softclaiming on snarky. I was hoping you guys could rely on this in case it came down to one of you vs. counterclaiming scum after I died.

YOU'RE A MORON FOR OUTTING ME HOLY SHIT

[Alisae]

I have role related reasons to believe Kaito is town

So 100% not Oma?

I think Oma is obvtown and so is Maki from play alone

They’re the two anime’s I’m sure of even though they’ve not been as active as someone like Kotoko

And these two animes above are the daughters. (Maki/Oma)

I thought AD was a possible mistletoe here crumbing to me that he knew I was one as well. Turns out I misread the signal. It also set me up very conveniently to crumb daughters in the case of my death after softclaiming on snarky. I was hoping you guys could rely on this in case it came down to one of you vs. counterclaiming scum after I died.

YOU'RE A MORON FOR OUTTING ME HOLY SHIT

I searched hard and long for that gif.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pages 1-6

Vote: Kotoko Utsugi

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
Using invisible text, codes,

cryptography,

etc.

Yeah...

LLD

, looking at you

Vote: Kotoko Utsugi

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:
Using invisible text, codes,

cryptography,

etc.

Yeah...

LLD

, looking at you

>.>

<.<

My Playfair cypher was TOTALLY legal that game~ <3

What the hell is this about Hindu?

AD, your plan makes it impossible for masons to ever out their N1 results without completely revealing the set, and makes it extremely dangerous to even hint at them.

This ALSO actually makes claims at lynch pretty fucking terrible too.

Assuming 3-4 scum here...

Claims of "I'm a mason" are a terrible conundrum. We don't want a second mason to claim to confirm it should it be legit; but otoh as scum, a counterclaim still kills one of our three.

Whilst Cabd is dead now I'm baffled by this post, as he seems to be forgetting the Daughters have the ability to hide, and as such can't be directly killed by scum

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

This post prompts me to state it seems a lot of the early game discussion around hiders seems to be done by town, I don't know if I can extrapolate any good information from it though (good means in town's interest)

AD still prob town.

why

Ugh Nosferatu's new avatar triggers me every time I see it, thank god I can skip his posts

This is basically equivalent to having a publicly available lookup table with all combinations of masons and specifying what order they should visit players in. That makes sure the masons know who the other masons visited, and doesn't really allow for reverse engineering until the game is essentially over anyway.

I feel like this idea was alright, was this done or have daughters just been operating on their reads

I'm a hard _no_ on this code idea. I have no idea what your supposed to do.

Looking at his future thoughts I feel like this is okay but honestly he just rings scummy to me so far

There has to be a means of coordination or the masons just die and town learns nothing

^ x a billion

But that coordination could cost us everything.

This is fluffy fear-mongering.

If there's a rigged coin that lands in my favor 65% of the time, I'll bet the game on it happily even if there's a 35% chance that it costs me everything.

I guess this is a good description of what I'm feeling here: he's shooting down a theory, but he just seems to be doing it to do so, not because he truly believes it's faulty

If 1 daughter claims it'll be obv who is and who isn't a daughter due to who they let wagon and who they don't let wagon.
Just play the game out imo maybe say who you're hiding behind if you're a daughter we look back and check or play this game out normally if we keep doing this we'll overthink
Daughters know who they are correct?

Spoiler:

Good post, Maki starting out towny

If we make a plan I think it should be one where daughters don't have to out
I like playing this set up like coper13 where people basically say
"if I'm a daughter I'm hiding behind _____"

I think then it becomes very powerful to shoot people who have a lot of people hypo-hiding behind them.

That's why you spread out your answers!

Very good plan, this was discussed in a JK9++ game I replaced into recently (didn't really play it).

Hmm...
The issue is that scum knowing the dauthers is less of a problem than knowing who they'll hide behind, Kagami's method makes it easy to know if they hid behind scum or not, but also makes it easy for scum to coinflip predict who they'll hide behind so long as they know their identity, say im scum and my kill fails what am i supposed to think?, everything has it's pros and cons.

THIS GUY GETS IT
SINCE THEY'RE HIDERS, WE JUST NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM VISITING SCUM OR THE NIGHTKILL

the three scum

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

That's what I thought, I was dumb to think that

I just assumed it would be symmetric, tbh.

lol I had the same thinking, were LLD to still be alive I'd definitely be townreading her for this

what are you guys even doing scum wouldn't have 3 people anyway
VOTE: kaede

Hm I can kinda get why peopl have been scumreading my predecessor, so I'm prolly gonna be on the lookout for people who seem to be pocketing my slot

That's it indeed, you got it in one, it's because I have straw for brains and the raven told me to do it.

Nice Wizard of OZ reference

hi scum

Hi shitface

[Maki Harukawa]

Anyway Kaito is clear

Alisae shot my other clear gj alisae

[Maki Harukawa]

no one doubted your claim either but you outeed me and kokichi for some reason

[Hinduragi]

I don't dedicate near as much time to thinking about mafia as I used to. I didn't interpret that as a soft, I interpreted it as you confirming him clear. I thought the bit you added to your "out daughters" post was for shenanigans.

[Hinduragi]

ANYWAYS NOW THAT WE'RE ALL HERE, LET'S SOLVE THIS

KO/Maki/Me/Kaito/Alisae/???

That's 5 already.

[Cephrir]

Actually I didn't read that gamma post the first time but it's not too great

wow what an ultimate detective you are.

Im just a warthog

[Cephrir]

Good play maki sorry it didn't work out

[Cephrir]

Unless ur being double clever!!!

[Cephrir]

Does Kokichi not have clears