Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

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VOTE: chickadee

sup

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Osuka and Tchill not voting HWS, that could have put him at L-1 and this day would be over.

Instead they vote Chickadee.

Just noting this. Nothing to see here.

VOTE: hewhoswims

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Lmao. Talk about paranoia.

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WARNING to all who partipiciate here: As long as Havo is here, treat any vote to L-1 as a hammer.

Gut scum feels but idk.

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who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

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I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny

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who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

me

I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?

Sheep doesn't say meep sheep hands out one word reads.

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@Not Known, please explain to me why you think HWS has been anti-town. And don't say it's because he didn't have reads on page 3.

@TChill, why are you still voting HWS if you believe Not Known is scum?

VOTE: notknown15

I'm bad about changing stances but not moving my actual vote. Apologies.

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Chickadee's posting bothers me. Nothing proactive at all.

Main thing to note with chickadee is she stated she doesn't react well to pressure as either alignment so don't pressure her.

All I heard is "please don't give me any attention"

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@notknown15 why are you worried about your vote being opportunistic? Scum can vote places without being oportunistic. That's not what it's about its about the scum motivation.

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That's NK15 at 5 I think, another vote and Havo may likely hammer, think carefully from here on in

Hammering havo is back on the prowl. Yall are cracking me up with the "this is really L-1" treatment.

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Hey eth0s why is nk15 scummier than chickadee? Chickadee is making it obvious she doesn't want to be pressured. I'm confident that nk15 and chickadee should definitely see some pressure today. In towns best interest to figure out these slots early imo because they could be difficult to read later on.

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@profii

Overly cautious.

I'd also like some in depth information from eth0s before we move on to bigger and better things. Some reads with reasoning behind them.

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VOTE: TChill13

Hm, why this vote out of all the people on the wagon? (Also rereading I found out I wasn't at L-1 when profi said so, I was at L-2). I've seen townie Tchill put town to actual L-1 earlier.

I'm not sure if scum!havo would quickhammer a town wagon just because of the attention it will bring. I'd see a townie do it sooner if that makes sense.

Surely as Profii says in 101 if you're gonna mislynch on D1 it'd be better to lynch VT than a power role, but that is IF we mislynch. We have 2 weeks ahead of us and although we don't have to use all of that time... getting the game to flow might just increase the likelihood of catching scum D1 although it's a long shot. Also Eth0s' post was indeed a bit opportunistic (perhaps not the right word??) although I'm not too worried about it for now, it was page 1 and early RVS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also yeah no I wouldn't play against my wincon/not participate with any alignment. I still don't see how the f I was supposed to have reads in my last post if there's next to nothing to talk about except a wagon on myself and some RVS votes.

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

Is it fake because you're scumreading me?

All I have for now. Chumba, Profii leaning town.

Whats that first paragraph say?

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And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.

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I think HWS is town. I think discussing play style is a waste of time.

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Seriously is it better to go 1 by 1 on day 1 asking for a claim until someone says VT and we lynch them or is it better to just hammer?

I'd rather risk lynching a PR than outing one. You lose the advantage if you out it so you might as well just lynch.

I doubt scum claim VT on day one if they're ran up also.

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Seriously is it better to go 1 by 1 on day 1 asking for a claim until someone says VT and we lynch them or is it better to just hammer?

I'd rather risk lynching a PR than outing one. You lose the advantage if you out it so you might as well just lynch.

I doubt scum claim VT on day one if they're ran up also.

This obviously only applies on day one.

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Profii I'm not quite sure what you mean by your reaction to me. I thought I was pretty clear: your talk about Tchill and L1 isn't really affecting my read. Which I find hard to formulate at this point aside from Chumba townlean and Ethos scumlean. For the rest I'll have to see. I'm not too stressed about Chick being bad under pressure.

Tchill I kinda disagree? Killed pr means the or is gone, outed pr might be protected or something if town is lucky.

The risk is worth the reward if you think about the fact that scum is gonna claim a PR more than likely day 1.

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@havo I've played with chickadee before and I don't remember her saying anything like that. Just because there's nothing for you to react to doesn't mean you shouldn't be pressured at all. You reacted to the idea of pressure pretty bad imo.

Yes it is day 1. Yes a townie is probably gonna die. I do care who dies and I'm OK with nk15 and chickadee dying lol.

I like the fact someone town reads me and doesn't want to explain why. That never happens lol.

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Oh did I say he was lock town?

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Did I say you said I did?

No seriously he's gonna need to provide some content that makes sense I already said that.

Who's your top scum reads chickadee? Just names no reasons.

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sheep is honestly a fucking trash town player if this isn't his scum game

So you’re one of those kinda players.

Good to know.

get more upset that I already called you guys out, please

I’m not upset. Lol.

You’re just an idiot.

kk.
an idiot that rekt you last game without needing to contribute to a single lynch to do it :/

Lmao. You know he's starting to Crack when all he has is other games to talk about.

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Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

I have no anger towards you. Your play to this points speaks for itself.

Your attitude towards the other players reveals your real character as well.

yeah, and you were a dickhead last game and a dickhead this game. I think have your character pegged pretty well. So if you want to throw shade at me for keeping up with your dickheadedness, or for calling sheep out for emptyvoting and trying to look productive, then I guess I'm just a real asshole, right?

Eth0s has a better breakdown on taking pot shots at havo than he does in game content.

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I'd have to re-read TChill ISO, he hasn't stood out as much to me so far

that's the problem, he usually stands out and we almost always have a mind meld. I can't even remember any of his posts this game

Hey buddy neither of us have been too active yet. I'm sure it's coming.

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his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

Im not gonna argue with you.

I’m done with it.

I think havo did a good enough job in showing that he's town.

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I think you are looking into it too much tbh. It's like what ethos did as scum pushing people to try and look at u for hammering. You are now trying to manipulate ethos post. Scummy as fuck

Eth0s literally said "havo" "bad" "town" in the same sentence. I don't see any manipulation here.

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VOTE: chumba

I've seen enough to feel confident with this.

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Look at eth0s play before the havo/eth0s 1v1 and tell me why you're siding with eth0s "if you'd have to" chumba.

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@chickadee

Sometimes context can be useful to see if a player is BS'ing. Seeing how I know where eth0s stood I needed context on why.

I didn't know where you stood and I didn't want you to try and sell me on it I just wanted to see where you stood.

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Reads I feel good enough with atm: chickadee, havo, chumba, jodax.

Reads I don't feel good about: everyone else.

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@havo.

Whats the scum motivation in throwing a temper tantrum like eth0s did here when he could just sit back and let someone be mislynched if he is scum?

Notice how sheep, chumba, nk15 and schadd aren't being transparent or providing much content and thought? That's what scum do day 1. The repercussions of blowing up the thread day 1 as scum and calling shots are much, much harder to deal with than sitting back and letting town mislynch town. The risk almost isn't worth the reward if you're scum trying to wifom day 1 because if it isn't a perfect scum victory then people can look back on day one the closer it gets to lylo and pick apart your game.

I don't see eth0s being THAT dumb as scum. He had 60ish posts the whole game as scum and look how much he's posted here day 1.

The risk just isn't worth the reward AS SCUM on DAY ONE specifically. Eth0s is bad town who threw a fit.

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Look at eth0s play before the havo/eth0s 1v1 and tell me why you're siding with eth0s "if you'd have to" chumba.

The play before the ethos/havo is irrelevant. Havo looks bad for forcing the fight cause he can’t read for shit. Even after it’s been explained and cleared up he’s blatantly ignoring it.

What happened to every post matters?

Eth0s play has been wreck less and loud.

Havo's has been driven from a technicality that Eth0s said he's bad town regardless of context. He can't be implying he's good scum because eth0s hasn't seen Havo's scum game. He's literally calling him bad town.

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Eth0s play has been wreck less and loud.

Exact opposite of how scum would play. It’s also different than ethos scum game.

Right that's what I'm saying. My issue is that from this argument it seemed like you were pushing havo.

I town read them both.

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What happened to every post matters?

Where did I say that?

I thought I've seen you say that once from our many games together.c

I won't do that though I'll judge you off play alone here.

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Eth0s play has been wreck less and loud.

Exact opposite of how scum would play. It’s also different than ethos scum game.

And the main point here is your said to disregard the "wreck less and loud" play from eth0s before the havo discussion.

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@chickadee

Sometimes context can be useful to see if a player is BS'ing. Seeing how I know where eth0s stood I needed context on why.

I didn't know where you stood and I didn't want you to try and sell me on it I just wanted to see where you stood.

As a player if you provide context on your reads every time it let's scum know what they either are or aren't doing right from your POV. Context is definitely not ALWAYS good. Just sometimes.

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Sure in havo v eth0s I'll take eth0s for the moment but there's no need for that. They're both town.I just don't like how your scum read specifically came from that point havo made. I'm gonna need a little more than that if we were to push havo. His reaction is justifiable imo and you seem to be the one coming off as the "manipulating" one painting a certain picture of havo.

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What about osuka, schadd or sheep?

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My votes staying on chumba.

Or osuka, schadd or sheep.

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Day 1 scum team guesses when we probably won't even lynch one scum this day phase are just the greatest thing ever.

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And look at the line we got to lynch havo. Good to know for later game after he flips town.

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I'll say it again. Let's lynch one scum before we start guessing teams.

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If yall think it's that easy to catch scum then when he flips town we lynch chumba tomorrow.

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his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

Im not gonna argue with you.

I’m done with it.

I think havo did a good enough job in showing that he's town.

Here's chumba ignoring the peace treaty that havo took that chumba himself extended.

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@havo. Thoughts on chumba and osuka throwing multiple members out there but not me who's hard defending you?

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I'm thinking osuka, schadd or sheep. Maybe chumba or nk15

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Ok... Havo and Eth0s are scum.

This guy

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Whoever pushed the havo lynch is scummy af because I completely forgot Nero was in the game which means half the player list is lurking. I'd rather rando vote a lurker at this point.

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Well I'm sick of the lurkers. Jk get well soon.

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Whoever pushed the havo lynch is scummy af because I completely forgot Nero was in the game which means half the player list is lurking. I'd rather rando vote a lurker at this point.

Well I'm sick of the lurkers. Jk get well soon.

Who do you think has been lurking? From what I can see it's only really HWS and Schadd. Maybe me also? This seems very aggressive to all of a sudden come out with "half the player list is lurking" when everyone but three had posted within the past couple of hours.

hws, nero, schadd, osuka, nk15, sheep haven't provided enough info for me to feel good about my reads of them. lurking or not. it is only day 1 but i'd like to sort a bit more.

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VOTE: havo

Phone posting, more to come after footy... give me a couple hours

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

definitely looks like profii expected the day to end.

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jodax what do you make of my case on chumba? do you agree?

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VOTE: havo

Phone posting, more to come after footy... give me a couple hours

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

definitely looks like profii expected the day to end.

I expected not to come back to pages of dribble

you expected to comeback to a havo lynch because i believe you may have more than one vote due to your scum buddies.

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chumba tried to portray havo as the manipulator in the middle of the 1v1. look at how fast that gained traction without question. A havo lynch was a real possibility even though 4ish players haven't made real contributions. Chumba argued a technecality to try and get havo lynched. Never guessed i was scum as i was hard defending havo or even voting chumba himself even though we always "mind meld" which is a major red flag to me because he didn't even question that fact just continued to pursue havo. Many ppl said havo v eth0s was NOT TvT so after havo flips town guess who the next target is? Eth0s. So we also have chumba lining up lynches while piggybacking off of the 1v1 for little to no attention.

I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.

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Chumba argued a technecality to try and get havo lynched.

Havo was attacking ethos on a lie. It is something that if havo was town, he would have realized his mistake, apologized and moved on. he didn't and then he ignores you when you actually do what havo was accusing ethos of.

Never guessed i was scum as i was hard defending havo

I already have my list of possible scum so why would I scum read you? The way you defend havo is similar to how you defend your townreads, so it doesn't really ping me. The way chick/havo/nk were defending felt different to me.

we both know acting like one of us knows what a player would do in a given situations hasnt ended well for either of us.

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and how are you ok with lynching someone when 4 players still need to be sorted?

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Chumba argued a technecality to try and get havo lynched.

Havo was attacking ethos on a lie. It is something that if havo was town, he would have realized his mistake, apologized and moved on. he didn't and then he ignores you when you actually do what havo was accusing ethos of.

Never guessed i was scum as i was hard defending havo

I already have my list of possible scum so why would I scum read you? The way you defend havo is similar to how you defend your townreads, so it doesn't really ping me. The way chick/havo/nk were defending felt different to me.

we both know acting like one of us knows what a player would do in a given situations hasnt ended well for either of us.

and how are you ok with lynching someone when 4 players still need to be sorted?

cause it's day 1 and those other people can be sorted later. i'm not going to worry about them when obv scum is right in front of my face.

you didnt acknowledge the first post.

and here i am wondering why you haven't asked me why i care who's lynched given my day 1 history.

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Chumba needs to be lynched. Pretty obvious imo havo wasn't being manipulative. Chumba manipulated the conversation to put havo is a bad spot. Eth0s literally said "bad town player" and havo hasn't drawn scum on site as far as ik so eth0s couldn't have been talking about his scum game leading me to believe eth0s was calling him a bad town player.

It's silly. It's a technicality that chumba has honed in on.

Now one read it as TvT so when havo flips town eth0s would be the next to be pointed at.

I'm not quite sure why nobody is understanding this.

Chumba literally has a scum team pinned down but wants Havo's head. Not the other two. He wants havo lynched. The other two don't lead to another person getting lynched if they flip town. If havo flips town it might lead to eth0s getting lynched.

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Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player

are you slipping that she's town

Nope, he was a bad townie last game. Now it seems like angry scum this time around

So let me get this straight. Sheep is the one that questioned a "slip" and chumba accused havo of pushing that idea right?.... Right?

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Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

"you are"

Not "you were". Not "you're good scum". Literally says "you are bad at being a town player".

Literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen someone get pushed for.

We were actually about to lynch havo over this LMAO.

Please come up with something better chumba.

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sheep is honestly a fucking trash town player if this isn't his scum game

if I get lynched before I get to look at pc again pls look into nk15. the omgus and generally being overly defensive is a pretty big scumtell imo

And how do you justify being worried about getting lynched at L-3? That's a reasonable posts to point out.

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sheep is honestly a fucking trash town player if this isn't his scum game

This indicates a "ik how people should play and it's my way or the highway" attitude.

Eth0s makes a totally avoidable personal jab at sheep. For little to no reason. Just to call the guy trash.

So am I surprised this guy wanted to brag about his past games? Am I surprised he Pushed a pointless argument No not at all. Quite the ego showing here.

The point is out of all this who made the most convenient, opportune move?

It was chumba.

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I’m only being a hard ass because I honestly don’t see you as town doing what you did. You were intentionally manipulative when it came
to ethos when he never called you town this game (from my POV) yet tchill did and it’s fine, no issues with it.

Bullshit. That’s scum. I don’t care if I’m Lynched. I know I’m right and that’s all that counts.

I would love to know what chumba would have said if havo had said "idk tchill is null or tchill is scum".

Lock town havo then right?

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Chumba needs to be lynched. Pretty obvious imo havo wasn't being manipulative. Chumba manipulated the conversation to put havo is a bad spot. Eth0s literally said "bad town player" and havo hasn't drawn scum on site as far as ik so eth0s couldn't have been talking about his scum game leading me to believe eth0s was calling him a bad town player.

It's silly. It's a technicality that chumba has honed in on.

Now one read it as TvT so when havo flips town eth0s would be the next to be pointed at.

I'm not quite sure why nobody is understanding this.

Chumba literally has a scum team pinned down but wants Havo's head. Not the other two. He wants havo lynched. The other two don't lead to another person getting lynched if they flip town. If havo flips town it might lead to eth0s getting lynched.

I think this is chumba meta though so I don't think it is scum indicative. It will be annoying because he wont let it go but I'm not going to scum read him for it.

Well frankly I'm not pitching this to you. You're the one that expected havo to be lynched before you got back.

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you didnt acknowledge the first post.

Didn’t see anything worth responding to

Yeah just ignore the fact that we're both usually wrong when telling others how a player would act if they were town.

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and here i am wondering why you haven't asked me why i care who's lynched given my day 1 history.

Cause I’m not worried about what you are doing right now. My sights are focused on 3 people. If one of them flip town I’ll reevaluate but everything I’ve seen points to them being connected.

Yeah went back and reread and saw you were voting her already. It’s late for me.
VOTE: havo

I’m not voting anyone else until this flips.

This is the 2nd time chumba has directly contradicted himself.

Sights focused on 3.... Obviously not.

"If you're town you'll stop arguing"

Havo then says "I'm done"

Chumba then points out a grammatical technicality and says "havo is definitely scum".

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his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

Im not gonna argue with you.

I’m done with it.

I think havo did a good enough job in showing that he's town.

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Once again.

Chumbas argument for havo being scum is a grammatical technicality lol.

This is stupid.

Chumba FINALLY came around on the fact that means and havo maybe scum together. Why did that take so long?

I've broken down chumba pretty clearly imo. I don't think he did a very good job at resisting it. More kicking and screaming.

Pretty clear where the manipulation is coming from but I'm gonna need the other half of the player list to get in here and help.

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"Ultimately you are responsible for playing terrible".

Hey chumba how many times have I seen you say "so and so has to be sxum/town they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't"

You're BIGGEST WEAKNESS is your inability to get out if that box. That "ik what they'd do as a certain alignment" line of thinking. I can't recall you ever being right when it comes to those statements.

I'm not good at it either but you're flat out ignoring it just to get havo lynched.

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Grammatical error lead to your "havo manipulation" push.

Yes it literally came down to trying to figure out what tense the verb was in eth0s sentence. Present or past?

It's literally a grammatical technicality.

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Hey chumba how many times have I seen you say "so and so has to be sxum/town they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't"

Lots of times. And I’m right a lot and wrong a lot.

How many times have you said day 1 somebody was town and we’re wrong?

I'm not ignoring the fact it's impossible for me to be wrong. You are.

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How would you describe profii's push on havo?

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Would you be okay with lynching schadd?

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I'm not ignoring the fact it's impossible for me to be wrong. You are.

Did you really want to say that?

Yeah. Havo could be scum here sure.

If you actually read what havo has done he pushed eth0s because from his perspective eth0s just hopped on and decided to push havo for his day 1 play without reading the game. So eth0s KNEW and PLANNED who he was gonna push regardless of the situation of the game. Makes sense for someone to see that as scummy imo.

So then you have the garbage personal pot shot 1v1 that didn't accomplish anything but attention.

Now why would scum participate in a spotlit 1v1 on day 1 when they didn't have to?

Havo pushed eth0s HARD and since it wasn't read as TvT that meant there's a real chance if eth0s flips town havo takes a lot of heat for it yet he continued to push DAY ONE in the SPOTLIGHT.

Chumba said stop if you're town and guess what? Havo stopped. Chumba extended the olive branch and havo took it.

Chumba single handedly stopped the 1v1 and turned it into fuel to push havo.

Does anyone, anybody at all see why I think havo and eth0s are town and chumba is scum?

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Grammatical error lead to your "havo manipulation" push.

I don’t believe havo’s mistake was a grammatical one because when corrected he ignored it and continued his push on the wrong wording. That’s why I felt it was manipulative. If you make a mistake you admit it and apologize then move on. He didn’t do that.

IT WASN'T CORRECTED.

"You are Bad at being a town player"

If eth0s is scum here as havo already pushed then you make the assumption eth0s knows he's town and is telling him he's bad at being town. How would he know he's town? Because eth0s is scum from Havo's eyes.

ARE is present tense. You ARE playing this game right now.

You WERE is past. You WILL is future. You ARE is right now.

Not you ARE going to. It's literally you Are bad at being.

I'm not talking about grammar anymore.

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Would you be okay with lynching schadd?

Currently no.
If we go the lynch a lurker route I currently want HWS to be lynched.
Can you tell me why we should, in your opinion, lynch schadd instead?

Just spinning the board and throwing darts man.

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I interjected myself cause havo was lying and pushing the wrong narrative and deliberately ignoring ethos explanation.

When is that ever town? It’s not

You're lying and pushing the wrong narrative and deliberately ignoring Havo's explanation.

If you're a fan of irony play with chumba. You'll see it every time.

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How would you describe profii's push on havo?

I’d have to go back and look at it. I don’t really remember but any push on havo is a good one imo. I’ll do that day 2

Blatant refusal to sort anymore day one. Nice.

Was looking for "opportunistic" since jodax could see that also I figured you'd be able.

OH well.

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his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

his iso never said "you are bad town"

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

thank you for proving me correct.

now if you are town, please drop this stupid discussion.

Im not gonna argue with you.

I’m done with it.

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ARE is present tense. You ARE playing this game right now.

You WERE is past. You WILL is future. You ARE is right now.

Not you ARE going to. It's literally you Are bad at being.

I'm not talking about grammar anymore.

Bullshit. You can use are and be referring to a persons previous games.

Here is a factual statement about you.

You are a terrible town player day 1.

This doesn’t imply I know your alignment this game but it’s factually correct about your previous games.

This argument had gone to new levels of stupid. I’m not sinking to your level anymore.

OK it's cool. Just don't argue grammatically and I won't pitch a fit.

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VOTE: Tchill

For not understanding how "are" works or?

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You're lying and pushing the wrong narrative and deliberately ignoring Havo's explanation.

No I’m not.

I disagree

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Now nk15 had a great question. What does chumba gain by intervening instead of letting havo and eth0s go at each other?

Would there be more to gain from chumba sitting back or did chumba have enough ammo to make it a quick argument?

I don't know. You've already seen what I think scum would do day one. Sit back.

All Ik is profii definitely expected havo to be lynched by the next time he seen the thread and if chumba/profii are scum together THEN it makes sense for chumba to intervene I guess. Since profii showed no hesitation and felt confident havo would be lynched.

Other than a chumba/profii scum team it may have made more sense for chumba to just "sit back" as scum there.

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VOTE: HWS
Let's lynch this lurker who claimed VT.

Tchill: Please react to post 660

While I like your question I still think we're at the point where we resolve havo v chumba. Unless we ALL compromise on HWS. Who definitely lurks as scum.

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"Pick a side"

You know he's gonna side with you because of his question.

You're not forcing his hand you're adding to havo wagon and you know it.

Another opportunistic move

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Done? Why are you giving up?

You have the sole right to command when conversations stop and start this game? Which ones get to go on and which ones get to be shut down? Who died and made you king?

Im showing hesitation and he still gives up.

If havo is scum there's 2 others and he refuses to chase that Avenue even if I was working towards that with him.

Unwillingness to work with others.

!!!As soon as I mentioned he's only scum with profii he went from not reading profii until day 2 to saying profii was bussing havo!!!

Funny how that works.

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VOTE: Tchill

For not understanding how "are" works or?

For pushing a ridiculius narrative.



I'm really thinking Havo is town here, and I don't know about a Chumba wagon anymore.


Side note, Chumba Wagon is a great band name.

Side note. If you think havo is town you're gonna push the only guy actually trying to help him out because he showed grammatical arguments are ridiculous and can actually be argued any which way by someone who thinks they know English? OK. I knew it was stupid. I didn't care. The argument itself was stupid.

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Exactly. No participation from half the player list.

Schadd, osuka (gotten a bit better), HWS (lurks as scum), Nero Cain....

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VOTE: tchill

I’m not being anywhere near a havo or chumba wagon as I’m pretty clear this is a personality clash not a manipulation. Tchil however isn’t clashing with personalities he is advocating a push on chumba for a play i expect chumba to make when scum hunting (annoying as he can be )

Tchil do you think where myself and chumba were commenting on our unusual agreements on reads very early on would be a scum play? I don’t know if scum openly buddy but I can’t think of a reason they would?

You would to wifom.

Are you acussing me of what chumba did with havo? You're just writing that off as a clash or personalities but not noting chumba advocated for Havo's push?

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@jodax I find it very amusing. It leads me to believe he "knew" havo would be lynched soon.

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That's 2 players that have openly said "Havo's scum Idc that there other scum members out there. We haven't sorted 5 players but we're done for the day."

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I completely agree with jodaxq.

This is why I asked chumba what his thoughts were on profii because I knew if myself and jodaxq could could see those 2 things sticking out like a sore thumb chumba should be able to also.

He said profii wasn't worth reading until day 2.

Then I said scum chumba makes sense only with scum profii.

Then chumba said profii was probably bussing havo after stating he wasn't gonna read profii until day 2.c

Im sure jodaxq can see the red flag there.

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VOTE: profii

I'm not getting caught up in chumba v havo.

We have a direction if profii flips scum. This is fine.

See ya sheep.

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I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.

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I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.

This posts was made a while back. I realize there's a scenario where chumba and havo are town here.

Profii looks pretty scummy imo. He did then and he does now.

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Chumba are you an English major IRL? Like seriously drop the grammar crap.

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Profii could be scum piggy backing off town chumba.

Profii could be scum with chumba.

There's really not any major town incentives for the moves he's made so far imo.

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I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.

This posts was made a while back. I realize there's a scenario where chumba and havo are town here.

Profii looks pretty scummy imo. He did then and he does now.

Ok, so you're not denying to just working down a list?

There's a thing called a lynch pool. I got 3 ppl in mine right now. 2 of them I have actual reasoning for one is just 100 percent gut. So I'm gonna vote those 2 and provide a reason with it. So sure.

It's a list of 2 but yeah it's a list. No denying here.

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Profii could be scum with chumba.

Profii could be scum piggy backing off town chumba.

Profii (from Chumbas perspective) could be scum bussing havo.

So please tell me why I shouldn't vote profii?

Why can't I scum read profii and chumba?

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I don't accept it profii.

Not even touching the vanilla townie/versus townie thing.

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VOTE: profii

I'm not getting caught up in chumba v havo.

We have a direction if profii flips scum. This is fine.

See ya sheep.

Profii could be scum piggy backing off town chumba.

Profii could be scum with chumba.

There's really not any major town incentives for the moves he's made so far imo.

great direction there if you are going to get the town lost, don’t lead

Hey man if you flip scum you could be bussing havo also. Gives us TWO people to go after. How great is that?

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If you flip town I'm thinking havo. Maybe eth0s. Maybe a lurker.

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My favorite part is you went from leaving havo in the gutter to town reading him because of a point I made THEN you pushed me lol. Good job profii.

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If you flip town I'm thinking havo. Maybe eth0s. Maybe a lurker.

Someone quote this tomorrow if I die. Hold tchill to this and see if he gets stuck

That's the best you could come up with? Didn't ask me why? Just a "hold him to it after I flip town".

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My favorite part is you went from leaving havo in the gutter to town reading him because of a point I made THEN you pushed me lol. Good job profii.

How many posts happened between my vote and my town read? Approx will do

I would think someone that was responsible in helping you make such a drastic change in stance on the leading wagon would be a town lean for you.

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You think I'm highly suspect because havo didn't work out.

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It bothers me because it shows a lack of thinking. You're just reacting you're not processing.

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Havo was the leading wagon. You left expecting a lynch and didnt come back to one.

I placed the first vote on chumba. If not first then 2nd.

There's a difference in hopping on at the end of a lynch and trying to steer a group towards one.

Big difference.

I didn't just switch either you just wrote off jodaxq's points which I trousers valid.

I don't think even seen you comment on the fact you could have been bussing havo you didn't see a need to react to anything from chumba but you did react from me and jodaxq. That's a little strange.

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Osuka who's your scum reads?

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Welcome brass Herald

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This games odd.

Lots of useless arguing imo. Could be coming from mostly townplayers .

Too many lurkers. 2 scum could easily be lurking.

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You think the whole scum team is gonna lurk? You think most of the scum team is gonna talk when they don't have to? I'm assuming it's 3 scum and I'm betting 1 has been pretty involved.

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OK then what do you think is happening?

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Chumba, profii and schadd.

Sorry for being odd.

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im nont stupid. the havo lynch fell apart. tchill is next on the chopping block even though some weak points have been made against me i'll happily dispute them. pretty important to note that...

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Wonder if tchill/havo are scum together

chumba has had time to push a havo/tchill scum team but he didn't. he waited till now when the havo wagon completely died.

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i hard defended havo

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I HARD DEFENDED HAVO the whole time AND EVEN ASKED WHY CHUMBA HADN'T PUT ME IN HIS SCUM TEAM WITH HAVO. Now he finally throws that little idea out there. After arguing against a havo/tchill scum team I wonder why?

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Profii and chumba have provided content and I've laid out plenty of reasons supporting my suspicions of them as scum.

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I've only tried to lynch two ppl. Profii and chumba.

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I've given very solid reasons for town reading eth0s and havo.

I've pointed out why profii has been opportunistic and jodaxq agrees.

I've even mentioned chumba could be town here but I'm pretty sold on profii being scum.

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Chumba and me always think identically and I don't remember him just excusing it when we didn't mind meld.

I'm not surprised he's not suspicious of profii at all seeing how profii is voting who chumba is tunneling.

When asked about profii chumba said it could be his scum partner bussing. If that's your first thought why not agree to make a deal with a profii lynch?

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OK. Honest mistake.

Pages 1-10 day 1 aren't worth anything imo.

When we get past pg 20 my day one play changes from literally not caring at all to caring too much with little information to go on.

This is a fact lol.

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I do appreciate you going all the way back to rvs to prove me wrong though.

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Well I think I voted him for acting "too" towny so not necessarily random.

He's a hard TR of mine as of right now.

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Nk15 asked why chumba would inject himself into the 1v1 instead of sitting back and letting town destroy itself. It was a good question that's why I think nk15 is town.

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You're digging your own grave chumba. You've played too loud day 1 if you are scum. If you're not I highly suggest an in depth look at profii.

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Wow. So havo is scummier than me because i defended him? OK brass.

Usually when im scum and someone calls me bad town I love it. It's the best.

So why would havo kick and scream at someone calling him bad town if he was scum? People are still calling him town so why would there be an issue chumba?

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Chumba wants me gone so bad because he knows I can read him

I want you gone because you lied and manipulated the ethos situation and overall look like scum.

But hey say whatever you want to make you sleep better at night.

You just keep repeating the same thing over and over. Give it a break.

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I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo

You always say this.

I don’t think I have played a game with you where you didn’t say “x is so bad I’ll have to blacklist them”

There ya go chickadee. Now how often is he wrong?

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It's wrong. Other people pushing havo aren't pushing him for the same reason you are from what I can tell

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Scum has dug their hole deep enough day 1. It doesn't matter they won't be able to avoid the repercussions day 2.

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Literally everything I do is scummy but don't vote me.

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Definitely doesn't look good for nk15. That's for sure.

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Definitely doesn't look good for nk15. That's for sure.

This sentence does not advance the town play. It's commentary fluff. It makes you more suspicious.

What do you think about my claim proposal?

Why the hell would scum shout mass claim on day one?

Why the hell would a towny shout mass claim on day one?

That's what I'm thinking.

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I'm OK with lynching nk15.

I'd rather handle the chumba and profii situations but nk15 isn't making any sense.

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What if the stronger PR's are in there? Too much information for scum to even give them one PR.

I'm against it. Never let scum know any PRs unless you have to.

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Well no one else is really suspicious of them despite their behavior so we can't until further progress in the game.

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Profii has been acting very oportunistic ally.

Chumba has been pushing a false narrative. A narrative so weird some have written it off as "chumba being chumba"

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I'm not arguing it anymore. It's a fact. I'm stating it as a fact.

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I think nk15 is town.

I think profii is scum.

I think there's a good chance chumba is scum

If you're scum why would you ask foryany kind of mass claim on day one? That'd too risky.

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What are the chances profii defended nk15 so when nk15 flipped town profii could say "told you so"

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Chumba what do you think of the fact that profii piggy backed off your havo push at first, expected the day to end (argue this all you want Idc.), then has now pushed you.

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@chumba.

Ill gladly meet you in the middle on a profii lynch.

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Chumba what do you think of the fact that profii piggy backed off your havo push at first, expected the day to end (argue this all you want Idc.), then has now pushed you.

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I'm really struggling with this game. I am happy to play and stick with it etc, I am just really struggling to get firm scum reads. I am not playing with the same players 2x in a row again !

anyway, to try and sort that out, I'm re-reading the drama thing. Quick summary.

Spoiler: summary

Page 12- eth0s is mudslinging and baiting Havo
Page 13- sheep plants the seed of the town slip/bad town player thing then retreats pretty quickly as the mudslinging carries on. 312 is a havo post i dispute - the debate then moves towards 'the last game'

So far, I feel eth0s is bringing a lot of reliance on meta, this is NAI, but just means he is going to get things wrong. I also still agree with Chumba that Havo feels different here, maybe coming out of his shell more in this game.

Page 14, sheep pokes the hornets nest and calls it t/t - at this point i wondered, is a scum bud trying to find an exit but brassherald has landed pretty town so guess not.

i just saw my post saying i dont know what to make of eth0s breakdown- i still feel like the mud is coming from eth0s and havo is relatively calm so far...

page 15, the chumba grammar thing is introduced.

page 16,chick comes in and calls eth0s bad town - i agree here so far.
Havo also starts to extend the olive branch in response to chick.

page 17. chick provides some reads on tchil which i think are valid.
and pushes the havo olive branch/scalds eth0s

404 eth0s attacks chickodee for essentially not helping to lynch havo

There is a bit where havo responds to a push on the grammar thing from chumba. i think this is NAI, its chumba meta and he will be as accurate as anyone elses day 1 reads... probably not very.

tchill then appears and seems to go on a defense mission on behalf of havo. but then in 419 appeals to havo to consider town!eth0s.


page 18- osuka appears and makes some fairly sensible assessments.

right, i'm tired and i think ive seen enough to make some judgements.

if anyone in the drama was scum, i'd say most likely is chumba. I think his is using his meta to try and mask a push.
VOTE: chumba

I think this clears havo, or we can WIFOM some mad gambit that after having eth0s sling mud at Havo, scum!chumba decided to throw more mud at scum!havo just to really mess with us. doubt it though.

You could possibly argue that chick or sheep were also trying to help havo retreat out of the drama, but based on their play i dont think they are scum.

Chumba, I disagree with you on the manipulation point - it will be quicker and easier if we dont go into this.

I do however agree that Havo is different in this game, he has already posted more in this game than the entire of the last 1 (110 here vs 85 there) - he had pressure for lolhammers and just ignored it. Here he admittedly had heat inflicted on him by eth0s & you, he dealt with it fairly calmly, had multiple offers to retreat and took one, this could be scum team work but let's concentrate on 1 scum at a time... the point is he previously ignored pressure in the last game where he was a VT.

He also made a claim in this game about pegging eth0s in the last game, i dont think he really pushed it so this seems like an odd misrep to me.


Now looking at you, apologies for counting your DH account in this but tough! in the serial killer game you got Mulch in a very similar way to your argument on Havo, some kind of manipulation that I disagree with (because I'm just not convinced) but that was a success. Then in the last game you Mulch came in and shitposted his way to death, which you tunneled.
To be fair, this is more like your succesfull tunnel but I'm not 100% sure I can be confident in it.

After reviewing the drama episode of this game, i can see why it comes down to you or havo, so on the balance of things and a bit more thought, I'm going to go Havo.

VOTE: Havo

lol. my votes staying on profii.

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So you’d rather be part of the problem and not the solution. You probably aren’t town. You need the havo vs me drama to continue

no i dont. either im voting you or im voting profii.

you on one hand havent done much of anything. you've primarily pushed one thing all day. now "too tired with the day" to do anything else.

profii has made every opportunistic move possible it seems like.

so as far as moves with scum motivation in mind that means profii is the likelier candidate.

VOTE: chumba

i'm fine with ending the drama. Profii can be handled day 2. Or you can be handled day 2. i dont really care.

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you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

[Tchill13]

I'm really struggling with this game. I am happy to play and stick with it etc, I am just really struggling to get firm scum reads. I am not playing with the same players 2x in a row again !

anyway, to try and sort that out, I'm re-reading the drama thing. Quick summary.

Spoiler: summary

Page 12- eth0s is mudslinging and baiting Havo
Page 13- sheep plants the seed of the town slip/bad town player thing then retreats pretty quickly as the mudslinging carries on. 312 is a havo post i dispute - the debate then moves towards 'the last game'

So far, I feel eth0s is bringing a lot of reliance on meta, this is NAI, but just means he is going to get things wrong. I also still agree with Chumba that Havo feels different here, maybe coming out of his shell more in this game.

Page 14, sheep pokes the hornets nest and calls it t/t - at this point i wondered, is a scum bud trying to find an exit but brassherald has landed pretty town so guess not.

i just saw my post saying i dont know what to make of eth0s breakdown- i still feel like the mud is coming from eth0s and havo is relatively calm so far...

page 15, the chumba grammar thing is introduced.

page 16,chick comes in and calls eth0s bad town - i agree here so far.
Havo also starts to extend the olive branch in response to chick.

page 17. chick provides some reads on tchil which i think are valid.
and pushes the havo olive branch/scalds eth0s

404 eth0s attacks chickodee for essentially not helping to lynch havo

There is a bit where havo responds to a push on the grammar thing from chumba. i think this is NAI, its chumba meta and he will be as accurate as anyone elses day 1 reads... probably not very.

tchill then appears and seems to go on a defense mission on behalf of havo. but then in 419 appeals to havo to consider town!eth0s.


page 18- osuka appears and makes some fairly sensible assessments.

right, i'm tired and i think ive seen enough to make some judgements.

if anyone in the drama was scum, i'd say most likely is chumba. I think his is using his meta to try and mask a push.
VOTE: chumba

I think this clears havo, or we can WIFOM some mad gambit that after having eth0s sling mud at Havo, scum!chumba decided to throw more mud at scum!havo just to really mess with us. doubt it though.

You could possibly argue that chick or sheep were also trying to help havo retreat out of the drama, but based on their play i dont think they are scum.

Chumba, I disagree with you on the manipulation point - it will be quicker and easier if we dont go into this.

I do however agree that Havo is different in this game, he has already posted more in this game than the entire of the last 1 (110 here vs 85 there) - he had pressure for lolhammers and just ignored it. Here he admittedly had heat inflicted on him by eth0s & you, he dealt with it fairly calmly, had multiple offers to retreat and took one, this could be scum team work but let's concentrate on 1 scum at a time... the point is he previously ignored pressure in the last game where he was a VT.

He also made a claim in this game about pegging eth0s in the last game, i dont think he really pushed it so this seems like an odd misrep to me.


Now looking at you, apologies for counting your DH account in this but tough! in the serial killer game you got Mulch in a very similar way to your argument on Havo, some kind of manipulation that I disagree with (because I'm just not convinced) but that was a success. Then in the last game you Mulch came in and shitposted his way to death, which you tunneled.
To be fair, this is more like your succesfull tunnel but I'm not 100% sure I can be confident in it.

After reviewing the drama episode of this game, i can see why it comes down to you or havo, so on the balance of things and a bit more thought, I'm going to go Havo.

VOTE: Havo

lol. my votes staying on profii.

Profli. When I flip town will you vote havo?

yeah i suppose my post wasnt clear. I think you and havo are on opposite teams and I'm really stuck for who to go for.

"look guys. i think chumba is scum. i voted him for like 10 posts. well i think he might be scum. I swear i do. I even voted him." - Profii

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don’t hate me for solving the game while you hop back and forth not being able to make a decision about which mislynch is better for your end game.

right right. solved the game with your 3 scum team guesses but you conveniantly keep going back and forth on Bad town tchill and scum tchill.

you keep dodging questions and only answer any post just to discredit. thats obvious.

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you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

I had 3 scum reads. One of them changed from chick to you but i still have 3. I haven’t hidden this from anyone.

So asking me my thoughts of anyone else is stupid and pointless. My thoughts are they aren’t scum because I already have 3 scum reads. It’s day one and until I have a flip proving my reads right or wrong, I’m not going to change them.

I don’t know why anyone would be upset with me. I’ve caught 2/3 possibly all 3 of the games scum.

yeah you definately are playing perfectly day 1. you've only sorted 3 players.

you refuse to talk about or sort other players.

you threatened to black list someone if they are town.

you tunneled havo for something no one else is pushing him for.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong because you have a "factual" argument.

yeah you definitely played the perfect day 1

according to your meta

chumba. congratulations.

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refusing to place stances on day 1 so your day 1 cant be looked back upon is scum motivation.

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This is how 1 v 1s work bro. Don’t try and wiggle out of it now.

no wiggling. valid point.

valid FACTUAL point.

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im not siding with you lol.

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ANYONE taking that hard of a stance on DAY ONE is delusional.

Read the first day of mini 1982 and you will see Chumba talking about how Day 1 reads are garbage.

Buy now suddenly he’s got the game solved on DAY 1.

a fact is something you can go back and look up and prove true.

discussing something with a view other than yours isnt wiggling,

you had a different stance on day 1. a drastically different stance.

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What are the chances profii defended nk15 so when nk15 flipped town profii could say "told you so"

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Well no one else is really suspicious of them despite their behavior so we can't until further progress in the game.

i'm really suspicious of profii and i can definitely be convinced to lynch chumba today

why arent you convinced enough to lynch chumba at this point?

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an in depth look at his iso should change your opinion.

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Even though I think that might be aimed at chumba, the point is where are your facts and evidence tchill . Anything relating to me or chumba. You throw a lot of shade

its in your iso's. i've pointed out plenty and backed it up.

just because you deep dived havo's games doesn;t mean your town based off effort alone.

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I completely agree with jodaxq.

This is why I asked chumba what his thoughts were on profii because I knew if myself and jodaxq could could see those 2 things sticking out like a sore thumb chumba should be able to also.

He said profii wasn't worth reading until day 2.

Then I said scum chumba makes sense only with scum profii.

Then chumba said profii was probably bussing havo after stating he wasn't gonna read profii until day 2.c

Im sure jodaxq can see the red flag there.

Profii could be scum with chumba.

Profii could be scum piggy backing off town chumba.

Profii (from Chumbas perspective) could be scum bussing havo.

So please tell me why I shouldn't vote profii?

Why can't I scum read profii and chumba?

Chumba and me always think identically and I don't remember him just excusing it when we didn't mind meld.

I'm not surprised he's not suspicious of profii at all seeing how profii is voting who chumba is tunneling.

When asked about profii chumba said it could be his scum partner bussing. If that's your first thought why not agree to make a deal with a profii lynch?

Definitely doesn't look good for nk15. That's for sure.

This sentence does not advance the town play. It's commentary fluff. It makes you more suspicious.

What do you think about my claim proposal?

Why the hell would scum shout mass claim on day one?

Why the hell would a towny shout mass claim on day one?

That's what I'm thinking.

What are the chances profii defended nk15 so when nk15 flipped town profii could say "told you so"

you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

I had 3 scum reads. One of them changed from chick to you but i still have 3. I haven’t hidden this from anyone.

So asking me my thoughts of anyone else is stupid and pointless. My thoughts are they aren’t scum because I already have 3 scum reads. It’s day one and until I have a flip proving my reads right or wrong, I’m not going to change them.

I don’t know why anyone would be upset with me. I’ve caught 2/3 possibly all 3 of the games scum.

yeah you definately are playing perfectly day 1. you've only sorted 3 players.

you refuse to talk about or sort other players.

you threatened to black list someone if they are town.

you tunneled havo for something no one else is pushing him for.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong because you have a "factual" argument.

yeah you definitely played the perfect day 1

according to your meta

chumba. congratulations.

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VOTE: havo

Phone posting, more to come after footy... give me a couple hours

at this point in the game there was no reason to believe havo wouldn't be lynched. his wagon had momentum and there was nothing against anyone else.

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no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

profii's first post back reads as agitation imo. agitation havo wasn't lynched yet because there was "no point" in discussing other players. In discussing a good amount of players that hadnt provided meaningful content. "no point" in taking more stances to lessen the content we can go back and look at later game.

he wanted havo lynched very badly and very quickly. So if you'll read the post i quoted earlier with this in mind it seems to me he expected havo to be lynched by the time he got back to the thread.

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Havo
Current post count this game: 111 (rn...)
Game 1982- role VT, complete after 5 days, postcount 85
Game 1972- role VT, complete after 6 days, post count 131
Game 1954- role 2 shot BP, complete after 4 days, post count 154
Game 1959- role good doctor, died after 2 days, post count 53


Havo is unusually posting a lot in this game. I’ve only played with him once but Chumba has noticed - I think this is a matter of juicy role = make the effort to post. Could be PR but I think scum

ppl tend to post a lot when sucked into an argument that isnt justifiable against them.

how would you react if you truly felt someone was flat out lying to pin you down as scum? you'd probably argue a bit more.

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profii has flipped on havo and chumba. he thinks 1 is town and 1 is scum but is ok with using their arguments against each other when pushing the 50/50 idea.

He claimed i made the point that made him see havo town then pushed me later. I changed his stance on the leading wagon why would he push me? If he pushed me he shouldn't believe me so why did he change his stance on have?

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nope. shouldn't have lynched nk. Chumba is scum.

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Innocuous subject change because I'm sick of this! eth0s, if this is green, are you really going to start your own wagon?

if you were sick of it you should have lynched chumba. instead we're probably lynching newb town.

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Chumba, profii, schadd.

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ridiculous. i lay out my cases ffor both and we just hop straight on the nk15 lynch. no i don't want him near lylo but this day phase he wasn't the lynch.

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man... profii and chumba are oozing scum and we really went with the nk lynch.

i hope im wrong and he's scum.

i just dont see scum asking for a weird mass claim day 1. i dont see it.

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yes, I slipped saying scum havo confirmed i'm town so now they probably have to kill me.

get lost scum.

and yes if we have a vig shoot havo. He just scum slipped. If he is town who thought I was scum, his comment about me replacing out to undo my tunneling and hurting town doesn't make sense.

p.edit Well havo just scum slipped so day 2 should be easy peasy

look at this. now we're gonna lynch a townie without settling this and move to day 2 with no steps made towards lynching scum.

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nope. shouldn't have lynched nk. Chumba is scum.

Agreed but not on chumba

quite funny how he's one of your 50/50 but not the scum one.

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man... profii and chumba are oozing scum and we really went with the nk lynch.

i hope im wrong and he's scum.

i just dont see scum asking for a weird mass claim day 1. i dont see it.

I think one of me and chumba will die, flip green and you’ll get pushed you know

idc. it's worth sticking my neck out after a terrible compromise lynch.

is that you saying you think im town?

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idc what the nk is. chumba's the lynch tomorrow.

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if its chumba you'll find out who i push day 2.

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idc what the nk is. chumba's the lynch tomorrow.

This is a terrible mindset. With every flip you should be reevaluating. Just because Chumba promotes toxic behavior in games does not mean he's always scum.[/quote

meta can't give people a pass for play that doesn't help town. sorry.

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idc what the nk is. chumba's the lynch tomorrow.

This is a terrible mindset. With every flip you should be reevaluating. Just because Chumba promotes toxic behavior in games does not mean he's always scum.

i actually disagree he promotes toxic behavior. most of the time we are on the same page. he's in a different universe from me this time. something is up.

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He's not replacing out.

Just like he's not sacrificing himself to get havo lynched day 2.

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Chumba threatened to replace out after disagreeing to replace out if havo flipped town.

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I thought I was getting lynched? I’m not going to be able to continue playing past this day phase and I’d rather not make a replacement come in.

This is a threat to replace out is it not?

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Mentioning you may replace out is threatening to replace out.

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I didn't say disregard him for tunneling.

I'm bringing up valid points.

Specifically brass please stop complaining because you decided to lynch nk15. You got your lynch. Nk15 is scummier than chumba to you so I don't see why you're complaining at all really.

I'm not saying what I'll do day 2 I don't want scum to be able to manipulate it.

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I don't think he's actually going to.

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It doesn't matter if it is or isn't AI anyways.

He's already scummy enough.

I brought it up because why not? Why not say something about it?

I'm not pulling any punches.

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Yep. Let's see where everyone stands after the nk15 flip.

Everyone against chumba is manipulative and factually wrong.

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Last thing I'll say is chumba and profii have both said nk15 is town.

That's important to note if nk15 flips town.

I provided what I thought was a good enough reason nk15 maybe town.

Chumba simply said he caught all 3 scum.

Profii Sat on the fence about it.

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DOh feel confident I can read profii? No.

I don't feel confident I can read anyone atm.

People do really weird things. I'll persue my reads with confidence though. That's what you're supposed to do.

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Can I vote profii and chumba at the same time?

I can right?

2 players had less than 20 posts.

Profii and chumba are still on the board.

Chumba versus havo isn't settled.

I understand that nk15 could have just as easily been newb scum there. That's not the issue.

The issue is the other 5 players.

Scum just got 2 free kills.

If you really think newbie scum is stupid enough to ask for a partial mass claim he could have been dealt with later.

Terrible lynch and a low information NK.

It's like our 40 pg day 1 didn't even matter. Which is exactly why I hate day 1s.

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VOTE: profii

Jodaxq I'm kind of alarmed you so readily jumped on nk15 when we had profii pinned down.

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Can I vote profii and chumba at the same time?

Why is there no vote with this post?

it doesnt matter i voted

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VOTE: profii

If we insist on having Havo or Chumba lynch again, I will be intent to hammer on them, but, I think it's profii unless someone else has info.

This seems like you're pretty nonchalant about who you want to be lynched.

I think profii is scum, I think Havo and Chumba are town, but if they are bickering again day 2, it's going to be a distraction that won't end until one of them is gone, if someone who is smarter than I, which is probably everyone here, decided to scum read one I'd be willing to lynch either to remove the distraction.

I still think the right move is lynching my scum read but we don't need town to keep giving scum a smoke screen.

if profii flips scum this is the next lynch.

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seeing if his idea of lynching 1 of the 2 argumentative townies sticks over a pretty blatant scum read.

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replace outs aren't AI i thought?

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thats not a good strategy. NEVER out PR's unless its to avoid lylo.

he should have been ignored not lynched for it.

i get where youre coming from on everyone thinking there is a specific way to play but like i said thats not a good plan.

profii is scum though and should have been lynched day 1.

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UNVOTE:

Need more out of schadd, HWS and chickadee.

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I've laid out better cases for chumba and profii.

Chumbas argument on havo isn't even a case imo.

I'll wait for the lurkers to be replaced before moving on to day 3.

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Also profii pretty much said everyone that replaces out isn't scum because this game is too easy for scum.

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"Just trust me"

Chumba hopped into a pointless 1v1 and claimed havo was the manipulater.

Chumba manipulated the situation to point a finger at havo.

This is literally his only case against havo that nobody else has pushed havo for.

Profii has been opportunistic as hell.

Profii is TRYING to look towny

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So just because eth0s is town his actions are justifiable?

You don't get to pick and choose how people should play as a certain alignment.

It just doesn't work that way.

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And I've made factual, legitimate arguments against profii.

Just because half the player list isn't playing you're gonna just disregard my arguments as imagination? That's fine.

Once people get in here and actually play the game I'm sure it'll go a bit different.