Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[chesskid3]

How regal and flawless the chessking looks when he effortlessly acquires the majestic pagetops

[T-Bone]

thank u t-bone something u said was just what I was looking for

...huh?

It's unclear cause Math has posts everywhere lol...

But this "huh?" was for you, Chess. I do not know what I said that was what you were looking for, so I'd like to know.

[Elena Fisher]

If Elena flips town? T-Bone, probably. But I really am not looking at Elena flipping town.

You're not allowed to lynch T-bone after I flip.

[Bulbazak]

the last time everyone piled on a wagon to try to end the day, that was not the scum lynch

Wasn't that what happened with Fitz? And wasn't he scum?

Elena's town though so.

Please explain this more.

Okay, stopping here, because I only wanted to do a light load. I would policy Radja, though. That's the kind of mood I'm in right now. I'm going to do some team captain things over the next day or so, and I don't plan on posting in here until that is resolved. I may be looking into finding a replacement, but hopefully it doesn't come to that. I'll give a few final thoughts if that happens.

[mhsmith0]

UC Voyager did not respond to prod, as

@vla these next few days

is not a valid response to prod, per

A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."

In addition, Aeronaut has now picked up his fourth prod in two game days

Both UC Voyager and Aeronaut are force-replaced for inactivity. Both of their teams must find replacements. Per viewtopic.php?p=9887291#p9887291, force-replacements will result in a penalty to their teams.

[Bins]

OK, good. Fresh content, hopefully. And y'all can stop complaining about it being impossible to lynch scum.

[Mathdino]

@Bulba: No, people piled on Titus to end the day, and I was like "NO FUCK THIS" and pushed through a counterwagon. Eddie/Transcend was very clearly the wagon of the day.
and fkin lol at policying radja after radja tried to policy me

@Bins: I mean, if both replacements start pushing Elena, then yeah I'll go with it on the condition we turn to Bulba if/when she flips town (and I'm willing to respect her townread of T-Bone for tomorrow).

I want Creature's reads ASAP from UCV's replacement though. Need definitive proof Creature has some interest here.

Hoping Aeronaut's team is following this game is probably a lost cause.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.05

T-Bone (1)

Titus ,

Aeronaut (1)

chesskid3 ,

Bins (2)

Aeronaut , Dunkerdoodles ,

Bulbazak (3)

ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Elena Fisher ,

Mathdino (2)

T-Bone , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (3)

Keychain , Bins , Bulbazak ,

Not Voting (1)

UC Voyager ,

Day two deadline is Tuesday February 20, 11 AM PST. (expired on 2018-02-20 11:00:00).

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

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[Keychain]

No, but if Bins is townreading me, she is townreading RC, who is very sheepable.

when did RC start reading this game and helping you out Keychain? It was quite a few RL days into things right?

Can't remember exactly when, but yeah it was into D1.

9)2222 Keychain please towncase TBone. This is a request from our whole team.

Those were RC's reads at the time so I asked him for an explanation - there's not much, just his interactions D1 with Bins, Elena and Math give RC towny feelings. Certainly not locktown. I'm iffy on him myself so I can't towncase him, sorry.

Keychain never flips scum here. He is obvtown.

I have Key as scum though sooo...We will need to talk. The garbage meta read from RC trying to save LLD fits with my VCA theory.

If you think I was trying to save LLD/Fitz D1, you need to take another look at posts such as 1885 where I told you Fitz was the only lynch I was happy with out of the options, while you were trying to say your gamestate analysis/VCA/whatevs was telling you he was town. I didn't even vote you following RC's stated scumread on you. Listen to your team, they're smart cookies.

We want a Bins towncase.

Apart from the giggle case? Do you disagree that her play and drive D2 has been very town?

Okay, tell you what

If I can't get my own preferred lynches, and help you lynch Elena, and she flips town, do you guys agree to lynch Bulbazak?

On the other hand, if Elena flips scum, I'll accept my own lynch on the condition that you guys lynch CDB right after (for casing someone to derail the Elena wagon).

How about you help us lynch her and then depending on her flip we determine the next lynch based on a majority vote system?

I don't make these deals but I will absolutely talk with you about it afterwards!

No, people piled on Titus to end the day, and I was like "NO FUCK THIS" and pushed through a counterwagon.

Dear. Lord.
I don't think you realise how unpleasant your ego is to read. Give some credit to the rest of the town for god's sake, you did not singlehandedly lynch the LLD/Fitz slot.

Elena's play with LLD is super scummy and her own REACTION to how she perceives her play with LLD as being "obvtown" is super super scummy.


You know my reads, I really don't have to repeat myself here. Elena should 100% be the lynch.

I agree strongly with this.

[Radja]

VOTE: Elena Fisher

[Mathdino]

Let me tell you why I'm dropping this:

VOTE: Bulbazak

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Bulbazak's stance on the LLD/fitz slot Day 1 was pretty weak. He almost doesn't comment on the slot at all early on but one infers him treating her as town due to citing her lines of investigation and asking Smocaine, someone he's publicly calling town as of that same post, to explain a vote on LLD. Meanwhile, many of his mentions of the slot involve him discrediting votes there.

• Pokes holes at a theory for LLD's scumplay that fits her actions.
  
• Asks fitz to explain his Bulbazak townread, which is a real lowball of a question at best.
  
• Repeatedly pursues this notion of waiting on a line of inquiry until they can both be online at the same time (which allows time, either in the build-up or during the eventual conversation, for whatever this is to be planned out in daytalk).
  
• This need to chat dissipates before it comes to fruition. Saves a forced interaction which would presumably be subject to higher scrutiny given that they were trying to set it up ahead of time.
  
• Undermines the Fitz/Titus choice in his responses to Dino here.
  
• Continues to object to the informational value of a Fitz lynch.

Though Bulbazak eventually voted for Fitz, there was never any enthusiasm there, and it absolutely seems like he'd have taken another lynch if one had been offered that he felt safe in choosing.

Compare Bulbazak's treatment of the LLD slot to how he describes the slot Today: "Given the AtE, LLD looked like scum who was not in control" and likely to be considered "a lost cause" by scumbuddies early on. That doesn't jive with his 'talk me into it' approach to the slot for much of Day 1.

Look at how much Bulbazak focused on Almost50, a read primarily driven by what Bulbazak saw as AtE. (Examples include this, this and this but are also just a fair chunk of Bulbazak's Day 1 proactivity.)

Now let's compare that behaviour to how Bulbazak responded to AtE from LLD. It's much more mealy-mouthed and noncommittal; just a matter of 'I'm doubting my townread now', which would certainly jive with his stated position Today that LLD's scumbuddies would feel that she were very vulnerable. By his own words, we know that scum!Bulbazak would feel obliged to suspect LLD after that behaviour - but of course it's never as easy as just throwing a player like LLD to the wolves, especially when you've already been townreading her early on. She's an advantage, even under suspicion, that scum wouldn't want to freely give up. So you end up with this fence-sitting and subtle shooting down of the wagon without ever being seen as too much against it.

It also seems like mastina should be well aware of the likelihood that LLD would pick scum, and again that is addressed in the most fence-sitting way possible here.

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tl;dr

- Bulbazak looks like a buddy who didn't know how to treat the LLD slot once she made what he now says were disastrous, would-be-jettisoned-by-scumbuddies mistakes so instead did a lot of hemming and hawwing and objecting until finally feeling forced to lynch fitz.

i'm just gonna keep reposting this until people make it clear they've read it and factchecked it

[Radja]

I did read that yet. I've just had Bulbazak as solid town on day 1 and I tend to not reconsider my reads much unless I have a big reason to.

[Radja]

EBWOP
*did not

[Radja]

idk, I don't really see a lot of problems with Bulba's posts. I'd still lynch Elena over Bulba

[mhsmith0]

xyzzy replaces Aeronaut effective immediately.

[xyzzy]

hey y'all

[chesskid3]

hey xyyzy your predecessor claimed miller can you confirm

[Bins]

more importantly did u receive maths fruit

[Mathdino]

more importantly did u receive maths fruit

Literally been waiting all day for this, fuck aeronaut for not confirming

[xyzzy]

hey xyyzy your predecessor claimed miller can you confirm

he better not have done that because that would be Incorrect

i sent a PM to the mod to verify whether or not I received any fruit because I haven't received anything saying that so far. I'll let y'all know once I receive confirmation one way or another

[xyzzy]

upd8: I received no fruit

[Mathdino]

i lol'd

okay what are your teams thoughts on this game

[Titus]

@Keychain

Can you please have RC clarify why he thought TBone was town and why we shouldn't turbo lynch him for trying to shout my mislynch as he argued that he knew me the best?

[Titus]

VOTE: Elena Fisher

Another Sketchy vote on Elena.

As if we needed another reason never to vote there.

[Keychain]

Titus we seem to working at crosspurposes here, it's becoming a hassle.

@Keychain

Can you please have RC clarify why he thought TBone was town and why we shouldn't turbo lynch him for trying to shout my mislynch as he argued that he knew me the best?

I gave the reasons he provided for T-Bone.

You would not be turbo lynching him, you would be turbo lynching me. Consult with your team because uh yeah nah. This push on me is weak and suggests you haven't really read the game.


Welcome xyzzy!