Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)
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Why could your early play not be scum v scum distancing? I often open my scum games by going in hard on my partners - it's a good way to look aggressive without the risk of being scumread back by that player.In post 1274, northsidegal wrote:are you also making the point that my earlier interactions with lexa were scum/scum or distancing? because otherwise that seems like kind of an (and i mean no offense by this) ignorant vote – like you're focusing on something relatively minute and ignoring the rest of the context. that's not something i expect from you luca, so it's a little surprising.
Actions speak louder than words; you had the chance to vote for Lexa at a time when her lynch was viable and you didn't, despite scumreading her.-
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Eh actually I change my mind for now, I'll sheep this. VOTE: AwooIn post 1271, northsidegal wrote:VOTE: awoo
thinking awoo has a good chance to be scum here, i noticed some weird dancing around the lexa wagon from him early game and i'd like to examine that again.
side note – will this finally be a normal game where town is the one that stomps scum?
I can definitely see the dancing around that Lexa wagon and the GNR/Fissure vote still reeks to me. Still okay with a Cedrick wagon though. Both avoided Lexa, both voted Fissure (who I'm like pretty damn sure is town), both voted Mumble at one point or another. Both seem like a pretty good start for today.-
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BTW, my vote counter is usually smart enough to correctly match acronyms, but it tends to work better on names that are CamelCased or snake_cased. Otherwise it pretty much just checks if it starts with the same letter and has all the other letters in the same order.Last edited by Beefster on Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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i'm not going to make the point of why it couldn't be scum/scum, i'm saying that i would expect you to make the specific point that itIn post 1276, Luca Blight wrote:
Why could your early play not be scum v scum distancing? I often open my scum games by going in hard on my partners - it's a good way to look aggressive without the risk of being scumread back by that player.In post 1274, northsidegal wrote:are you also making the point that my earlier interactions with lexa were scum/scum or distancing? because otherwise that seems like kind of an (and i mean no offense by this) ignorant vote – like you're focusing on something relatively minute and ignoring the rest of the context. that's not something i expect from you luca, so it's a little surprising.
Actions speak louder than words; you had the chance to vote for Lexa at a time when her lynch was viable and you didn't, despite scumreading her.isif you're going to put forward scum!me. obviously i'm biased on this but just on face value i think it's not s/s and i still find you just making the general statement of how scum often open by going against their partners pretty weak when i expect you to be saying something more specific.
also, i distinctly remember giving a reason for unvoting lexa – it was the claim. i can point you to the other game i was talking about where i pushed for a lynch on someone who was a claimed pr if you want, but that game and this game are different in that my read on lexa was definitely not as strong as my read on jay in that other game.
alex – could you talk about fitz being so high up on that list for you?-
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Why should I make the point that your argument with Lexa was s/s when that was irrelevant to the evidence I provided? Your argument in itself could be s/s or s/t - it neither incriminates you nor proves your innocence.
I also remember your reason and indifferent tone to why you unvoted Lexa. You clearly didn't believe Lexa's claim and still scumread Lexa, so why not mention Lexa in or around 1274 when he was a viable lynch and under fire? If you truly didn't want a PR claim lynch you should have made that point, or if you supported a Lexa lynch you should have voted him. Instead, you completely ignored the issue and tried to divert attention onto Awoo.-
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So looking at that wagon on Lexa at the end of day, pretty good town read on most of the people on it. But these points stand out to me:
In post 1025, Havo wrote:
It hasn’t been easy. I haven’t played with most of this list, usually by now I have a few decent TRs.In post 984, Lexa wrote:You and me both. Your iso is pretty empty though and we're most of the way through the day, who have you found for your town reads?
Right now I’m -
Town - PapaZ, Eddie
Lean town - Luca, RB, Fitz, Lexa
Null - NSG, Ced, Awoo,
Lean scum - GNR, mumble, Alex
This feels like maybe a last minute bus vote, considering Havo's townlean on Lexa for most of the day and all.In post 1238, Havo wrote:VOTE: lexa
But I’m willing to get on the Mumble/Mulch scumhunting train.
The flip will answer a few questions
I want to see specifically if Mulch is right here.
In post 1158, Luca Blight wrote:Alex, I've already talked a fair bit about Awoo. NSG is more of a gut feeling - I liked her opening but I've felt nothing from her recent posts.
I'm willing to give Mulch a pass for today to give him a fair chance.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lexa
I can see this flipping red.In post 1205, Luca Blight wrote:I've become very confident Zito is Town based on his recent posts - his thought process is pretty much the same as mine.
The only thing that's kept me from voting Mumble has been the fact he seemed fairly assured with his claim (he could always be Mafia Doctor though, which would explain this) and the fact Cane, who I'm town leaning, meta defends him while meta attacking Lexa. However, Cane says Mumble essentially prodges as scum, and apart from his argument with Lexa that is what he's essentially done this game.
I don't trust Fissure's urgency to have Lexa lynched at all - I hoped cutting him some lack would give him a chance to calm down and lay out his thoughts properly, but I was wrong so I'm back here again.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: FissureAlso the above votes and unvotes from Luca irk me. The 1205 unvote and re-vote onto Fissure comes after PZ unvotes Lexa. So, scum!Luca sees a chance to change wagons and avoid lynching his scum buddy? Then the L-1 Lexa vote in 1239 comes right after Havo's vote. So I dunno. Luca was scum reading Lexa but that shuffle in votes rubs me the wrong way like potential scum trying to find a way out of lynching fellow scum?
PEDIT: @NSG - I agree with a lot of his posts and reads, I read him as town in his interactions with Cedrick and if he's scum then he hard bused Lexa like all day long.-
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By necessity if you're calling me scum then that argument was s/s. If, however, you think that that argument was s/t, then that would by definition make me town. I'm saying that to have a logically coherent and meaningful point as to me being scum, that argument earlier in the game must also be s/s, and thus any argument for me being scum that doesn't take that into account isn't really worth considering.In post 1281, Luca Blight wrote:Why should I make the point that your argument with Lexa was s/s when that was irrelevant to the evidence I provided? Your argument in itself could be s/s or s/t - it neither incriminates you nor proves your innocence.
honestly? i don't remember. iI also remember your reason and indifferent tone to why you unvoted Lexa. You clearly didn't believe Lexa's claim and still scumread Lexa, so why not mention Lexa in or around 1274 when he was a viable lynch and under fire? If you truly didn't want a PR claim lynch you should have made that point, or if you supported a Lexa lynch you should have voted him. Instead, you completely ignored the issue and tried to divert attention onto Awoo.cantell you with confidence just based off the timing and composition that those posts were made when i was busy so i probably just noticed awoo's read on me and wanted to question that.
i think you're being massively disingenuous to say that i tried to "divert attention" onto awoo by asking him that one line question.-
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You don't have a leg to stand on there, Alex - if I don't switch the momentum back to Lexa in 1158 then I'm pretty sure Lexa doesn't get lynched; she was under hardly any pressure at the time, and most people agreed with leaving the pr claims for D1. You yourself had an hour before said she should be 'revisited tomorrow' in 1153 which reflects worse on you than any of this does on me.
My L-1 vote came because Mumble's final posts actually seemed seemed pretty town (bad town, but town).-
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You are talking out of your rear end.In post 1284, northsidegal wrote:
By necessity if you're calling me scum then that argument was s/s. If, however, you think that that argument was s/t, then that would by definition make me town. I'm saying that to have a logically coherent and meaningful point as to me being scum, that argument earlier in the game must also be s/s, and thus any argument for me being scum that doesn't take that into account isn't really worth considering.In post 1281, Luca Blight wrote:Why should I make the point that your argument with Lexa was s/s when that was irrelevant to the evidence I provided? Your argument in itself could be s/s or s/t - it neither incriminates you nor proves your innocence.
Obviously if I'm scumreading you that makes the argument with Lexa and you s/s, but why does that have to be part of my evidence against you? Why can't I make a primary point as to why you're scum without bringing up every possible reason? I haven't even started looking over that argument yet, but in of itself an argument with someone doesn't mean you can't be partners with that player. Actions speak louder than words as I said; you had a chance to vote her when her lynch was viable, and you ignored the matter completely.
That's the way it seemed to me, but whether or not you were trying to divert attention, the fact remains that you ignored the whole Lexa issue which looks terrible on you now.In post 1284, northsidegal wrote:
honestly? i don't remember. iI also remember your reason and indifferent tone to why you unvoted Lexa. You clearly didn't believe Lexa's claim and still scumread Lexa, so why not mention Lexa in or around 1274 when he was a viable lynch and under fire? If you truly didn't want a PR claim lynch you should have made that point, or if you supported a Lexa lynch you should have voted him. Instead, you completely ignored the issue and tried to divert attention onto Awoo.cantell you with confidence just based off the timing and composition that those posts were made when i was busy so i probably just noticed awoo's read on me and wanted to question that.
i think you're being massively disingenuous to say that i tried to "divert attention" onto awoo by asking him that one line question.-
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This seems a bit defensive.In post 1285, Luca Blight wrote:You don't have a leg to stand on there, Alex - if I don't switch the momentum back to Lexa in 1158 then I'm pretty sure Lexa doesn't get lynched; she was under hardly any pressure at the time, and most people agreed with leaving the pr claims for D1. You yourself had an hour before said she should be 'revisited tomorrow' in 1153 which reflects worse on you than any of this does on me.
My L-1 vote came because Mumble's final posts actually seemed seemed pretty town (bad town, but town).
Hardly any pressure? So all the other votes on her wagon were just there for decoration until your vote came along and applied the real pressure?
How many people agreed leaving the PRs? I think there was me, Cedrick, who else? (genuine question, I remember people saying it but I can't remember who exactly)
And convenient that you didn't at all mention you finding Mumble's final posts to be pretty town until now, after he's flipped town.-
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The vote count was this:
Fissure (4): Luca Blight, Awoo, Lexa, Cedrick
Cedrick (4): rb, Alexcellent, Papa Zito, Mumble
Lexa (2): havingfitz, Fissure
Fitz wasn't applying any pressure, the only pressure came from Fissure who had zero credibility and was himself fighting off being lynched.
Most people seemed content to leave the pr's; hence all the unvoting following the claims.
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and herein lies my main problem with what you're putting forth – you're taking a microscope to examine one reason that would make me scum and willfully choosing to ignore the rest. youIn post 1286, Luca Blight wrote:Obviously if I'm scumreading you that makes the argument with Lexa and you s/s, but why does that have to be part of my evidence against you? Why can't I make a primary point as to why you're scum without bringing up every possible reason? I haven't even started looking over that argument yet, but in of itself an argument with someone doesn't mean you can't be partners with that player. Actions speak louder than words as I said; you had a chance to vote her when her lynch was viable, and you ignored the matter completely.canmake your primary point as to why i'm scum just about one single post – it's just not anything worth taking seriously. i've already given reasons for why i posted 1189 – you continuing to harp singularly on this and trying to say that it looks terrible on me is, in order, ridiculous and laughable.-
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When you re-voted her, the vote count was this:In post 1288, Luca Blight wrote:The vote count was this:
Fissure (4): Luca Blight, Awoo, Lexa, Cedrick
Cedrick (4): rb, Alexcellent, Papa Zito, Mumble
Lexa (2): havingfitz, Fissure
Fitz wasn't applying any pressure, the only pressure came from Fissure who had zero credibility and was himself fighting off being lynched.
Most people seemed content to leave the pr's; hence all the unvoting following the claims.
Why is that convenient?
+ Havo's vote right before yours.In post 1229, Beefster wrote:
You were the sixth vote on the wagon, hence the L-1.
I think we've gotten our wires crossed. I'm less suspect of your initial Lexa vote and more suspect of your L-1 vote of her. In a vacuum I think your 1158 is probably fine, but in conjunction with your following shift to Fissure, then shift back to Lexa is what I find suspicious.
There were some but I'm not sure that I'd call it "most".
I just find it convenient that I guess you had something of a town read on Mumble towards the end of the day but you're only sharing it now in retrospect after his town flip.
Like it's probably nothing since at that point Lexa was almost definitely the lynchee, but I just find it to be convenient/interesting post flip for you to say that. I don't know if that makes you scum though.-
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I know I look bad for hard defending Lexa but I genuinely believed she was town. It’s wifom obviously but I’d never hard defend my partner like that.
Havo and rb were trying to avoid voting Lexa imo
I thought I mentioned this yesterday but havo votes me. And does a 180 a couple posts later right after the VC shows Lexa was at l-2
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Start reading from there. Does his switch to mumble and backing off me look genuine? To me it doesn’t. I believe I pointed this out yesterday also when I was considering I could be wrong on Lexa.
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