Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Reformed Toxic Player]

You came at me wirh straight up lies - and now you're doing similar here trying your best to discred with cherry picked stagements.
Tell me, why did you exclude the context of my post saying i was understanding the foses on you?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Actually dont answer that i dont havr the energy to deal with more bs fabrications.

[Green Crayons]

i suspected you, i asked you to answer the Q you were ignoring, you said "why is this scummy", said you had answered the Q (you hadn't) and I was misrepping you, i explained why scummy, you said my reasons were BS and that you understood the FOSes on me.

all starts from Post 464 and takes like 10 posts for you to go "you suspect me?" to "you're suspicious"

[Green Crayons]

Post 462*

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things

The above is just another scummy mischaracterization - forgets conveniently that they accused me of not pushing the game forward and is not using that point at all here. What changed?
They're basically gaslighting me trying to be vague about events bc theyre scum trying to weave a tapestry, not town trying to read genuinely .
it's just scum trying to discred someone guning for their partner

Their reads just REEK of someone who pick and chose ppl and made a read based on conveniencd. Townread the loud and active ppl, scumread the less loud (with the addition of the person who's loudly gunning for your head)

Someone please give me a sanity check like i feel confident here but i need a 3rd party opinion between this LOL i dont wanna be wrong here

[Reformed Toxic Player]

And if we apply the "pushing game forward " scumread logic - we can easily say GC is scum for not pushing the game forward. Their own reasoning- not mine.

[Elements]

if GC is scum, why is he not scum reading me?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Making up/mischaracterizing stuff ppl have said to push on them is a classic scum tactic to incite paranoia/cause conflict/confusion. I've done it before. I've seen it notably used by Flavor Leaf when i played in Bending against Andres and Baltar. Alisae did it to me in DDD. I did it to SirCakez in a temple game. This was the main reason i got so heavily pinged bc it reminded me of that situation.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

if GC is scum, why is he not scum reading me?

Are u like even in this game or

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Because i literally have been pushing you this whole time and have my vote on you

[Elements]

Because i literally have been pushing you this whole time and have my vote on you

but as scum, why does GC not just agree with the reasons you've voted me and join you? Why is he having a massive argument with you instead

[DkKoba]

you know im scumreading u... right?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

you know im scumreading u... right?

[Elements]

you know im scumreading u... right?

ooh look at mx pre-flip associatives over here

have you considered that I'm town?
It's worth a try. Then you'll be right on at least one person.
But seriously, from my POV scum!GC has 0 reason to not scum me

[VP Baltar]

Let me make something clear: you are the one putting emphasis on the "caught". I said I caught them online like how you catch the last half of your favourite movie on Showtime, or when you tell a friend you'll catch 'em later. For some reason you are latching onto that detail and running a mile with it, making it out like I claimed to have caught Al Capone.

Lol oh really.

Here is the heart of your statement in Post 989.

[Elements] fled when I caught them online and addressed them directly after already ignoring 2 of my questions in a row and drawing the ire of my vote, all while continuing to interact with my wagon from the sidelines. Elements has admitted to deliberately ignoring me. I voiced a great deal of frustration about it.

You write several sentences about this fight with elements and how you had him on the ropes, and WHY OH WHY DIDN'T VP CONSIDER THAT WHEN HE TALKED TO RTP!!!!!

To now say, after I spent a bunch of time looking back at this, that you were actually just telling a friend "catch you later", is complete garbage.

I'm not going to wall war you, so this is the last thing I'm saying on this topic, but you are either tunneled so far up your own ass you won't be seeing daylight until 2050, or your scum who thinks you're going to score cheap points off someone. Either way, you look pretty useless.

Elements, here is the post where I address duchess's claims. Would love your feed back on what I said here

[VP Baltar]

Someone please give me a sanity check like i feel confident here but i need a 3rd party opinion between this LOL i dont wanna be wrong here

I will closely read this exchange later when I have time.

[Datisi]

Which felt genuine to me. The part that really resonated with me is RTP being able to pick out the low hanging fruit players. I recall seeing them do that in other games, where they just go against the grain if someone is pushing a weak player. Does that make them right? I don't know, but it is a thing they do, so that response came across as genuine to me.

You obviously wanted more specifics than that and didn't get them, but it didn't strike me as scummy.

i agree i don't see scummy stuff in what they wrote here itself. it was that i expect when someone makes a specific claim that they'll be able to back it up. though i remember starting to like the posts i read from them earlier today, so i'm currently mulling over if i'm overly projecting.

This I almost replied to because I had the same gut reaction to your early play, and it was hard to quantify. It didn't seem as engaged as usual (though I know you are in a lot of games, which is probably why I wrote it off early). Like, if forced, I could probably go back and figure out specific posts that triggered that feeling, but offhand I can't. It was just a vibe. So RTP saying that also didn't strike me as scummy, but mainly because I felt similarly ambivalent about your play early on. I alluded to this when I said I had a town read on andres (which admittedly was in part to see your reax).

first of all, i never thought they're scummy for being suspicious of my early play, all my issues were from lack of a proper elaboration. i also take "unenganged" to be different than "agenda-y" - the former being not as interested, the latter being intentionally misleading/malicious. (though if i'm misunderstanding what agenda-y means, do call me out.) which is why i was interested in what gave the feeling of an agenda (what i read as intentional malice/leading astray) as opposed to just vibe/being uninterested/the way i'm presenting myself/what have you.

i did notice that. did you get anything from my reax?

[VP Baltar]

first of all, i never thought they're scummy for being suspicious of my early play, all my issues were from lack of a proper elaboration. i also take "unenganged" to be different than "agenda-y" - the former being not as interested, the latter being intentionally misleading/malicious. (though if i'm misunderstanding what agenda-y means, do call me out.) which is why i was interested in what gave the feeling of an agenda (what i read as intentional malice/leading astray) as opposed to just vibe/being uninterested/the way i'm presenting myself/what have you.

i did notice that. did you get anything from my reax?

That's a fair distinction to make between disengaged and agenda-y.

As far as my takeaway on you, it felt like your town self to really push someone for specifics without being rude about it. That was my general takeaway

[Datisi]

GC, who are your townreads outside of elements btw?

midway, andres, Baltar, RL. I think elements is on the town side of the ledger for reasons ID'd above. BM had a great entrance with burst of activity + bringing thegame back to life, which also suggests town.

is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?

he has a good chance of being scum

is this because of VD's defeatism/ATE or something else? link me if you've already made this point before, sorry in advance

you can probably get the tl;dr from my 412, 618, 822

i've got a plan
let's vote me out to prove all your speculations about me being scum wrong
VOTE: elements

What was duchess's case on me that I was misrepresenting?

it wasn't a case
you were saying Duchess claimed to have *caught me lurking*
Duchess claim to have *caught me while I was online*
and you just kept saying stuff about catching me lurking

???
is this supposed to be a response to 1047?

aaand i think i gotta run for a bit

[Elements]

Elements, here is the post where I address duchess's claims. Would love your feed back on what I said here

Having re-read 989, the entire things seems utterly pointless:
You commented on my low activity
Duchess asked if you had thought about my dodging of the questions posed to me
You said you hadn't considered it as it wasn't a particularly big thing
Duchess said they did a whole push on me because of it, how could you possibly have not seen it.

Given it was an entirely one-sided interaction consisting of 4? posts I can see how you would have not noticed it.

I apologise for not reading through it properly. I rescind my scumread off you. I should really read things properly before commenting.
UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

As far as my takeaway on you, it felt like your town self to really push someone for specifics without being rude about it. That was my general takeaway

do you think scum!me is rude?

also, i was asking about the last parenthesis in your 1066. i thought that was talking about my reaction to 298?

[Andresvmb]

Goodness - work ran late yesterday and this game is ever expanding. No matter - I’m done with this big project so I’ll have some time tonight for sure. In any case, we still have time. And it’s good that some of the flakier slots are all getting replaced it seems. Should help long-term.

[Battle Mage]

i've got a plan
let's vote me out to prove all your speculations about me being scum wrong
VOTE: elements

man this is dumb, please dont waste my time with this stuff

[Battle Mage]

RTP you've legit sapped my energy for the game by making me work so hard to get you to answer simple questions.

[VP Baltar]

Elements, here is the post where I address duchess's claims. Would love your feed back on what I said here

Having re-read 989, the entire things seems utterly pointless:
You commented on my low activity
Duchess asked if you had thought about my dodging of the questions posed to me
You said you hadn't considered it as it wasn't a particularly big thing
Duchess said they did a whole push on me because of it, how could you possibly have not seen it.

Given it was an entirely one-sided interaction consisting of 4? posts I can see how you would have not noticed it.

I apologise for not reading through it properly. I rescind my scumread off you. I should really read things properly before commenting.
UNVOTE:

In fairness, you explained it more clearly than duchess has to this point...