Newbie 1827: Baseball Game Over

[Apple Jack]

thor's claimed - that situation will resolve itself just by waiting, so there's no point in pushing there, at least today. if thor is scum fakeclaiming then either flips or a counterclaim will confirm that. if thor is telling the truth then time will tell that. ignoring reads completely, either way i see little reason to lynch there today.

Why not at least support me in getting Thor to better explain how he reached his conclusions?

[Apple Jack]

that leaves four people: wilky, gameplay, quick and taiho. taiho i'm currently null on, and for wilky and quick i'd like to do a deeper rereading of the thread to solidify my reads. that leaves gameplay as the lynch that makes the most sense.

Like if you want to do these things. You shouldn’t be deciding on a lynch until you do them.

That’s the part that’s weird to me.

[Apple Jack]

Lucky for everyone I guess. I’ll be in West Virginia at a conference and I’m told internet is shottty. Could be a couple of hours or 3/4 of a day without posts from me.

[Apple Jack]

I have never claimed them as a scum team. If I had then you would have a point, quote me saying so and I'll fulfill your silly request. I'll wait

Save the samantics because I never said that you thought they were a scummteam. I did say you thought they were scum. You did admit you are pushing both of these people as as scum. See below.

In post 560, Derpy Hooves wrote:
I don’t like quick. He rubs me the wrong way and I don’t feel comfortable saying he’s town. I’m now figuring out what tsq was trying to do.

He tried to save wilky and wanted to lynch quick. You are doing the opposite.

I don’t put bussing past you.

I'm actually advocating a lynch on both of those slots

This confirms you scum read both because pushing on both of them means you think they are possible scum. So I’ll now expect you fulfill my “silly request”.

Amy refusal to do it now is a scum claim.

Check mate bitch

[Apple Jack]

Derp - I'll also note that you never explained how you cleared Northsidegal's slot.

I actually did explain how I cleared everyone but you/wilky. More than once even. But nice try.

[Apple Jack]

You literally put a vote on UCV whilst saying it was partly due to what TSQ had said. That has been my argument, you dismissed what he said, voted because of what he said, then voted for him at the beginning of D2 because of what he said.

Reading this post, wilky is right about that. Quick can’t deny that. It may not have been what he meant but that’s definitely what he posted.

[Apple Jack]

Taiho and game need to start playing

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: game

[Apple Jack]

so thor just claimed scum

VOTE: thor

[Apple Jack]

Derpy put Game at L-1

Btw so is this. It’s clear my vote was on game before the mod posted the actual Vc.

So manipulative

[Apple Jack]

Game hasn’t even been on his radar. Whoever can actually cc please do it. It’ll be ok. Let’s get a scum lynch

[Apple Jack]

I actually don't think he's scummy, I just think he's lurky.

See. Not scummy. So why advocating a lynch?

[Apple Jack]

Post game I’m going to make a post about all this.

UNVOTE:

[Apple Jack]

I really don’t know what to do know. Clearly we aren’t lynching Thor but he’s untrustworthy so I won’t be on any wagon with him.

[Apple Jack]

I’ve seen crazy bussing before but if we mislynch today and scum kill again. It’s mylo. Scum have no motivation to bus.

With that being said. Thor/game now seems more likely pair if thor is scum.

[Apple Jack]

My issue is things town should do aren’t what they do, do.

So if I assume Thor is town.

I still think NK points to wilky and the whole thing Luca was going on about is a very valid point. When you look for intent and trajectory how wilky could start looking at Luca based off what I do really doesn’t make sense. I don’t think there is enough wagons to do a proper VCA so that’s not helpful.

Game is experienced enough to be lurking like he is. When he does posts his posts seem polished. He doesn’t converse with anyone and I feel his reasons are shallow. He also vote parked on Uc for i don’t even remember why.

cs was kind of useless but I really don’t think scum risks that hammer so I’m comfortable enough with that to say he’s probably town but not 100%

Quick I honestly don’t know. When tsq was pushing us for shifty reasons I found myself taking his side. He lost points though thinking I could be scum. Like on the surface I can see why an inexperienced player would think I’m scum but he’s not. Sure that’s a bit of omgus but without reading again I can’t remember quick making any really good arguments.

That’s where I’m at right now. I’ll probably vote wilky at some point but I’m so pissed at Thor right now because if he is actually town he’s played one of the worst games any town player can play. Town needs to be transparent and willing to explain things with as much detail as possible and he has refused. I even got him into saying he would give me what I wanted if I proved he said what I said he did and when that happened he made more excuses to avoid it.


If Thor is actually town tracker, I feel scum really fucked up and I just hope we can figure it out so they can actually regret it.


That’s where I’m at.

[Apple Jack]

Wilky wasn’t wrong with what he said about you quick.

[Apple Jack]

I’ll probably vote game over quick but not a fan of either really.

[Apple Jack]

@Thor665, what is your read on wilky?

We need a lynch and wilky might be it.

Looks like you or quick are more likely

[Apple Jack]

@Thor665, what is your read on wilky?

We need a lynch and wilky might be it.

Looks like you or quick are more likely

?

You guys are both at l-2

[Apple Jack]

I just gave all my reads a page or 2 ago.

[Apple Jack]

Since thor isn’t an option, Game probably.

[Apple Jack]

About an hour left. I’ll vote in a little bit for game.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy, who you'd rather lynch today? Game, quick or neither

Your turn.

[Apple Jack]

But quick seems to want wilky now

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: game

[Apple Jack]

Anyone down for a Thor lynch?

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: thor

[Apple Jack]

yeah I think it is mylo

[Apple Jack]

I don't like Derpys vote on Thor straight off as we don't want to start any wagons early incase scum get the chance to hammer.

nobody wanted to vote thor yesterday let alone scum read him besides me, so i honestly don't think a quick lynch of him can happen.

he scum claimed yesterday. he said if I could prove that he said something he would answer my questions. I proved he said it and told him if he refused now after saying he would answer them he was essentially claiming scum.

he refused yet again. there is no way he is town and if he is then the loss is on him for being a dick. You don't blatantly refuse to answer somebody's questions over and over again.

[Apple Jack]

Yes most people should just fos people. I’m not most people.

[Apple Jack]

well yeah that's basically what I just said

[Apple Jack]

because I literally just explained that thor is in no way at risk of a quick hammer. He needs to know that if he is town he needs to answer my damn questions or I am going to death tunnel him until he does and I can't accomplish that with a FOS.

[Apple Jack]

Well since I don't think thor is town, I don't think he is going to be quick lynched.

[Apple Jack]

yes I realize there is a chance i am wrong, I am ok with that.

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: thor

Why does Thor kill Taiho?

Why does anyone?

[Apple Jack]

Hope to hear from everyone soon.

[Apple Jack]

No

[Apple Jack]

You have anything to add?

[Apple Jack]

I haven’t broken a single rule thank you.

[Apple Jack]

I really don’t

[Apple Jack]

And the ic has refused to answer questions and has literally done nothing an Ic is expected to.

If everyone posts and there is still no cc I’ll unvote but until he’s 100% cleared (which he isn’t) he isn’t off limits to be voted.

There are no rules about using preflips or voting in mylo so yeah I’ve broken no rules.

[Apple Jack]

That's a lie - and if you think it's true you should immediately report me to the Mod because it breaks the IC rules.
I'll wait

PM sent to penguin.

[Apple Jack]

And you can facepalm me all you want but the fact remains that yesterday you weren’t mechanically cleared or confirmed town. Today you aren’t either until everyone posts.

You as an IC should actually know this and using this as a teaching moment.

[Apple Jack]

Derp - So if I'm not force replaced for failing to do IC things will that deter your blindness in any way as to what I'm posting?

They aren’t going to force replace you while a game is ongoing. You should know that.

[Apple Jack]

I mean, do you need me to teach you the math of why I'm the most cleared player in the game?
I could if you asked.
You never did.

I don’t think you can because you have never been the most mathematically cleared person. You will be today if somebody doesn’t CC you, but prior to that you have never been cleared or close to clear.

Any attempt to say otherwise is blatantly lying about game theory.

Scum can fake claim. You could be scum fake claiming.

No cc could be explained yesterday. Today in mylo there is no reason not to so if it doesn’t come today then and only then will you be mathematically cleared.

[Apple Jack]

Because, Derp, I'm getting real tired of this wastful and logic lacking side show.
You should put up - or at least challenge me to go through the actual logic of what I'm saying as opposed to constantly making stuff up.

You still refuse to show me your VcA or posts wilky made that point to him being scum, why would I expect you to do anything else I ask.

You said you would answer them and you renigged so I’m done with you. My vote stays until you post the Vca and the wilky posts.

[Apple Jack]

I don’t think you can because you have never been the most mathematically cleared person. You will be today if somebody doesn’t CC you, but prior to that you have never been cleared or close to clear.

Any attempt to say otherwise is blatantly lying about game theory.

I'm not allowed to lie about game thoery - please read the IC rules to understand the job you claim I'm not doing.

Can you show me the math of how I'm not the most cleared person?
You appear to be smarter than me about this "math" thing and I'd like to learn.

How am I no more clear than, let's say, Quick, as an example?

Nobody is cleared from my POV except me.

You have the same likely hood of being scum as anyone else alive.

[Apple Jack]

I'm not allowed to lie about game thoery

Exactly and if you try and argue you were mathematically cleared yesterday or are mathematically cleared today before everyone has had a chance to CC you, you would be lying about mafia theory.

[Apple Jack]

LOL

Should we No-Lynch Today?

I’m not down for it

[Apple Jack]

I'm not allowed to lie about game thoery

Exactly and if you try and argue you were mathematically cleared yesterday or are mathematically cleared today before everyone has had a chance to CC you, you would be lying about mafia theory.

Once again, you are straw manning me.
Please quote me saying I am clear - anywhere in this game.
I know it is apparently REALLY hard for you to argue with me by using what I actually did and said, but what I said was I was the 'most cleared'. Which is quite different than 'cleared'

Does that make sense to you?
That I'm saying "most cleared" and that it is different than "cleared"
Do you get why those two things are different?
y/n?

You aren’t the MOST cleared.

[Apple Jack]

LOL

Should we No-Lynch Today?

On Evens with potentially Doc in play. I'd lean 'yes'.
What do you think and why?

I think its pretty tricky honestly. On the one hand, a Doc can make a save, on the other, DH is kinda holding things up considering that he is kinda strong arming a Lynch on you. If you are Town, which I think is really fucking likely, then Scum prolly are not going to Kill DH even if DH is Town because he's just going to vote for you next day anyways. That said, it takes all the Town to vote correctly today to prevent a loss it seems.

No I’m not going to just vote him tomorrow

[Apple Jack]

You aren’t the MOST cleared.

Okay, awesome, we are now discussing what I have actually claimed.

Why am I not the 'most cleared'?
Or is it simply because of your claim that everyone is equally likely to be scum (in which case I would return to my question that you avoided - if you believe this why ever claim at all?)

Because your play resembles scum and not town. Your predecessor’s play also resembled scum and not town.

Your claim doesn’t earn you any brownie points. There is no point in claiming actually.

Scum can fake claim so you can’t rely on a claim at face value. You have to evaluate the claim with the play.

Based on that you look mathematically most likely scum not town.

If game doesn’t cc you, you will be mechanically cleared and I won’t be allowed to vote you anymore or else it’s game throwing but until that happens, I have to rely on MY scum hunting. And the person who lied to me after being warned that lying would be a scum claim, is the person who I tbink is scum.

Even if you do become mechanically cleared you’ve painted yourself into a corner imo cause you’ve alienated one of the townies who you will need at some point.

[Apple Jack]

Also, while we're at it - why is me not being CCed today any different than yesterday in your mind?
Because you're saying that - but it doesn't actually seem to make sense since it would remain the same end result; I'm not CCed.

Cause yesterday the real PR could want to stay quiet and get another investigation off.

Today is a different story since we are in mylo. there is no point in keeping quiet in mylo.

Normally a good IC would take time to explain to the newbies what mylo/lylo means. What is appropriate to do in mylo, etc.

I mean most ICs even explain what l-1 means, theory about claims, fake claims, and counter claims also but hey you do you.

[Apple Jack]

All right. Going to bed.

UNVOTE:

See, it may not look like it but I actually know what I’m doing

I’m active enough during the day a quick hammer wasn’t going to happen.

[Apple Jack]

In my experience, the better the player (as IC) the less likely they are to talk about all that shit.

I feel every IC should take time to explain the game correctly.

I’ll bite my tongue about saying thor and tsq are good players.

[Apple Jack]

1. Yet I’ve seen hundreds of town PRs lynched. Clearly people don’t care about claims when a person plays bad.
2. Imo you will be. If somebody knows you are lying today is the best time to counter claim so we can lynch scum.
3. It’s not my fault you intentionally alienated me, lied to me, argued semantics, and out right refused to help me figure out the game. Your reads can’t be trusted even if you were mod confirmed cause you haven’t showed a willingness to work with others. If you were willing, you’d have provided the stuff I’ve been asking for.
4. We probably shouldn’t no lynch today.
5. I know what mylo means.
6. Doesn’t matter my opinion cause I’m now a n00b. The IC is a voluntary teaching role. As an ic you accept that responsibility. Refusing to teach is setting a bad example and doing a disservice to them.

[Apple Jack]

I mean, for a guy who thinks all claims are potential lies you're very close to clearing me based on claims.

Not because I want to. Because I have to.

If nobody CCs you today and I keep pushing you, I’ll be reported for game throwing. I’ll be banned from newbies and from the site. I have no interest in that.

[Apple Jack]

Yeah if thor is town, no quick hammer can happen without somebody else who is town voting him. That’s suspicious of north to try and clear himself like that.

Now I’m awake

VOTE: thor

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: game

He logged in yesterday and this morning. Also if he were town I think scum would have hammered him to prevent a NL

I’ll just pretend thor doesn’t exsist.

[Apple Jack]

Votecount 1.Final

wilky (2)

Luca Blight , UC Voyager ,

UC Voyager (5)

gameplay506 , wilky , Thestatusquo , Quick , CsBlastoise , L-0

Luca Blight (1)

taiho ,

Not Voting (1)

Derpy Hooves ,

Day one deadline is Sunday October 22, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2017-10-22 18:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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So based on the final VC and the flips. Both scum were on the UC wagon.

If I assume thor is town (which I’m not prepared to do yet)

Gut says game/CS.
Head says wilky/quick

[Apple Jack]

It’s possible

[Apple Jack]

Problem is nobody has played stellar this game. I could easily make an argument for anyone of you being scum. That’s why I’m so suspicious of Thor and tsq. They both should not be playing as poorly as they have.

[Apple Jack]

They are probably looking for doc and doing a terrible job lol

[Apple Jack]

considering it had already been discussed that a quick hammer couldn't happen before you made that post, I am not sure I buy that you didn't realize it

[Apple Jack]

if a wagon happened on quick i'd probably join that one also.

[Apple Jack]

3 useless posts.

[Apple Jack]

Why are you against preflips?

What’s scummy about me pushing on my scumread? Even Thor admits he isn’t mechanically cleared yet.

[Apple Jack]

People need to get out of the habit of just believing every claim. Scum do fake claim. Even in newbie games.

[Apple Jack]

The association may be wrong but that doesn’t mean both scum reads are. And a good player will reconsider after. That’s why it’s ok to use preflips because you can always reconsider. You aren’t locked in forever

Note. Tsq was using preflip associations and didn’t reconsider when he was wrong.

You even scum read him at one point. His play was scummy. Thor’s play is scummy. They both are guilty of denying information.

Forget he claimed. Would you still scum read the slot?

[Apple Jack]

Its a Semi-Open Setup, bro, that means that a the correct play if you can CC is to CC.

I know this
You know this

I honestly don’t know if every player knows this.

[Apple Jack]

Like I hate no lynching but this may actually be a good idea.

[Apple Jack]

You even said yourself that if gameplay didn't CC you would say Thor was cleared

Am I voting Thor right now?

No.

The point of the hypothetical is to teach people that you just can’t believe a person at face value when they claim and that’s literally what every single person in this game did beside me.

I don’t care if it’s semi-open. If somebody I scum read isn’t confirmed town or mechanically cleared, they still get pushed. Now Thor can say whatever BS he wants but at this point anyone who has a role that would contradict his claim should have come forward by now. They haven’t so I’ve moved on.

[Apple Jack]

Who’s your main again quick?

[Apple Jack]

Also, as noted, if what you claim is true - I should have the mod coming down on me like a ton of bricks...it's been 24 hours...just saying Derp.

Penguin said he’s busy but would read the thread in his entirety when he has time.

[Apple Jack]

he's not reevaluating unless he is pretty much forced to

You think? What gave it away?

[Apple Jack]

Plus I still haven't seen him look at anyone else yet, really. I mean, he's got his Scum read on wilky, but I just don't know why

I voted game yesterday and again today. I started the day yesterday voting wilky and explained why. Also in the arguments with Thor I mentioned why I suspected him.

Like if you are town, do better please.

[Apple Jack]

Like you say we could lynch wilky but you weren’t pushing it. The one time you said something about lynching wilky, you said that you only said it to get people taking which implies it wasn’t serious.

So you now acting like wilky was a viable option yesterday is suspect

[Apple Jack]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

[Apple Jack]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

OK, I'm lying now? Mind pointing this out?

I did. In post 908

[Apple Jack]

And voting the only clear player in mylo isn't really the definition of towny

Nobody did that as far as I could tell.

[Apple Jack]

Actually I take it back, in your case its the definition of a VI

Don’t insult me bro. I’ll report your ass

[Apple Jack]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

OK, I'm lying now? Mind pointing this out?

I did. In post 908

My statement is still true. Just because you colored it with detail doesn't mean what I said isn't true.

No it’s not true cause everything you said is provably false.

[Apple Jack]

Look the scum brothers show up around the same time like a tag team or something. Pretty sure we found scum boys

[Apple Jack]

At least I’m trying. I’d rather try and be wrong over whatever you are doing if you are town

[Apple Jack]

Idk what your definition of trying is but I haven’t seen you do much all game let alone in mylo

[Apple Jack]

I ain't here to put on airs and pretend Im the greatest scumhunter on this site making long ass posts every hour.

I honestly have no clue who you are talking about here.

[Apple Jack]

Anyways. I feel good with my reads since thor is off the table. So are we lynching somebody or what?


Everyone is talking yet nobody is doing.

[Apple Jack]

He knows that. That’s why he’s probably scum.

[Apple Jack]

This is going to be a long 11 days

[Apple Jack]

So vote game

[Apple Jack]

So vote game

And risk a quick hammer? I'll wait till we have a general consensus because its mylo.

Doubt that will happen tbh.

If he were town he’d be putting in the effort. The fact he isn’t means he’s scum or he’s essentially game throwing.

[Apple Jack]

Typically no lynch happens fast and people stop talking as to not give information. Since the doc isn’t known Thor is safe so no lynch is technically the right play. I’m just not a fan of it.

If NL is what people want let’s do it now and not waste time.

[Apple Jack]

Typically on mylo when you no lynch you give little information so scum has less information to make their kill. If they see people town reading them they will probably want to keep them and kill somebody else

[Apple Jack]

I’m in a hurry cause this game is taking too long.

[Apple Jack]

Yeah I realize that but with a scum flip the conversations will be more meaningful.

[Apple Jack]

Because derpy reasoning is absurd

[Apple Jack]

I love some good scum theatre. Where’s my popcorn

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE:

[Apple Jack]

I’m bored. Have y’all at least come to some sort of conclusion on what we are doing yet?

[Apple Jack]

I’m bored. Have y’all at least come to some sort of conclusion on what we are doing yet?

Have you?

I think we should no lynch.

Yeah. Lynch game. He’s not playing. I don’t think he’s town. I’m willing to roll the dice cause if he’s town he’s essentially game thrown.

NL isn’t going to help me cause I’ll jusy vote him tomorrow and if he’s town we lost and it’s still his fault. He’s scum or we lose. He clearly doesn’t care either way.

[Apple Jack]

mod please prod game

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: game

[Apple Jack]

Piling on here.

Wilky has had a really opportunistic day 1 and he continues that on day 2. He hasn't took any stances or placed any votes.

If wilky hasn’t placed any votes yet, it’s illogical to say somebody is opportunistic if they haven’t voted.

[Apple Jack]

I have to fact check the rest but if true wilky just made a slam dunk argument for scum game.

[Apple Jack]

Cause people are exposing his scum buddy and he wants to shut down conversations

[Apple Jack]

See this is why I don’t think you are town quick. Wilky made some very good points that make game look bad. You didn’t even comment on them. You as town should be interested in seeing if he’s right and see game’s Response

[Apple Jack]

See this is why I don’t think you are town quick. Wilky made some very good points that make game look bad. You didn’t even comment on them. You as town should be interested in seeing if he’s right and see game’s Response

Don't ever use an argument saying what I would do as X alignment, its always wrong. I have said this so many times, you have no idea what you are saying.

I will always do that. Cause town in mylo should be interested in figuring things out.

[Apple Jack]

The only benefit to NL I can see is we hope Thor gets lucky and tracks the correct person and somebody else will be killed which reduces the number of scum suspects. Hopefully scum kills wrong and tomorrow doc can claim and town can narrow down their scum suspects.

[Apple Jack]

You can’t really argue with Thor. He always twists things in such a way that makes you look like you are wrong when you clearly aren’t.

[Apple Jack]

It’s why I still think he could be scum. I really see no purpose to argue like that as town. Like admit your errors and deal with it. Don’t argue semantics and twist things.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy, lets not start another argument with Thor.

I’m not. I’m just ignoring him

[Apple Jack]

How?

idk how you can even question that considering you’ve played antitown

[Apple Jack]

I haven’t played antitown. I’ve scum hunted and pushed my scum reads. That’s the definition of pro town.

Game has done nothing this day phase and very little the entire game. Now it seems Thor has eliminated somebody else from his scum pool.

[Apple Jack]

You hinged a huge part of your game on Pre-Flip. You also pushed Thor quite a bit who was Claimed without a CC as well. I consider those things Anti-Town.

We’ve covered pre-flip pushing is acceptable as long as you re-evaluate. Thousands of people do that on this site.

Not being cc’d doesn’t mean somebody is clear. He still isn’t technically clear. When a player blatantly refuses to do things when asks as Thor did, that’s suspicious as fuck and so I pushed it. He’s also playing anti-town and if this was a completely closed setup I’d still be pushing his lynch.

Now we look at scummy play. Refusing to give reads which game did earlier in mylo is essentially a scum claim. Lurking and being useless is also.

If he’s town he’s lost us the game. That’s why I don’t think he is.

[Apple Jack]

Because it looks like you are skating by without doing much. If you think its Pro-Town to do this, LOL, no.

agree 10000000%

That’s why I’m never unvoting game. He’s claimed scum by not participating

[Apple Jack]

I see absolutely no town motivation to lurk in mylo. When the game is on the line and town is back against the ropes he’s not around. He doesn’t care if town wins to me. So I’m speaking in absolute from my POV.

[Apple Jack]

Disagree about the pre-flip stuff and clearly so do thousands of other players since they still do it.

And we have been over the claim thing, this is a Semi-Open setup, which means unless you are severely mentally challenged, you are going to know to CC someone who claims something you can counter.

I’m not mentally challenged but I am stubborn as fuck and when a person out right refuses information I don’t really care what their claim is. My play is always play > claim. If you play scummy you get a scum read regardless. Yesterday there was absolutely motivation (and good reasons) not to cc. Today not so much which is why I’ve backed off. But he’s still played scummy and if it wasn’t for the claim he’d be my top scum read.

So I moved on and used Poe and I feel good I know who both scum are.

[Apple Jack]

I’m not humiliated by anything I’ve posted. More people should actually play that way. Town may actually start winning more.

[Apple Jack]

Yeah no way Thor actually believes that.

[Apple Jack]

You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.

It's not fucking AI to "overreact". That's complete bullshit.

Of course it is and he knows that but he likes to argue.
If you say the sky is blue he’ll argue that.

[Apple Jack]

Really? Cause you still haven’t posted what this site considers a proper vca yet you argue you have.

[Apple Jack]

It’s not just the color coding thing. There are other things involved in a proper vca and I know you know that.

[Apple Jack]

Like what? What else am I missing?

There is a whole process. I’m pretty sure you know and just were too lazy to do it. I’ll just go back to ignoring you.

[Apple Jack]

So now we’ve wasted the entire day phase. Can we lynch game?

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE:

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: quick

[Apple Jack]

@Everyone, I will only vote if Thor is still convinced I am Scum after reevaluating me or everyone is in agreement that Game is the lynch today.

VOTE: Game

then you unvote, probably because you jumped the gun. mafia 101, make sure your partner is online before trying to quick hammer

though this could be a ploy to bus/distance from game because I have seen that very thing happen.

bottom line though if you were town you would not have voted after saying you were going to wait.

[Apple Jack]

yes really. No reason why you as town would say you want to wait, and then not even give thor a chance to post and you change your mind.

[Apple Jack]

I mean I was already scum reading you so it doesn’t matter who goes but that just felt weird. All the hairs in my neck raised up.

[Apple Jack]

you were almost lynched and that's all you have to say?

[Apple Jack]

once thor chimes in with some final thoughts, i'm voting game.

i just don't see any town motivation and I think quick is crafty enough to deploy the fake quick hammer tactic.

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE:

[Apple Jack]

There was nothing "quick" about my vote...

yes there was, especially when you said you were going to wait for thor and less than an hour and a half later you vote. that is quick imo

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: game

[Apple Jack]

lol that wasn't even why thor was scum, I was scum reading the predecessor. you fail scum

[Apple Jack]

you care so little about this game, so I’ll just as little about your questions.

[Apple Jack]

Do whatever. I’m over this game. Kind of want to replace out actually since half the player list doesn’t seem to care about the game.

[Apple Jack]

I legitimately think you are scum. I have not seen anything from you that makes me think you could be town, even now when you are near lynch your reactions aren't townie. if you are town and we lose, I put this loss squarely on your shoulders.

now take your insults and verbal assault towards me and get to stepping homeboy.

[Apple Jack]

I suggest you back off and read cs/north slot

This day phase was 14 days long, and you wait until 10 hours from deadline to start asking people to do stuff? I don't even know which smiley to put here. laugh, facepalm, or eye roll.

[Apple Jack]

bye scum

[Apple Jack]

Oh I’ve seen it before but I have like 6-7 accounts. If he’s scum like I tbink I’ll look tomorrow

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE:

[Apple Jack]

I am not twisting this for my own agenda because I still think activity is not AI. What I am saying is that you are having double standards when using that activity argument - it applies for some but not for others for whom it would be even more appropriate if you believe in such a thing as lurking=scum.

Ignore the activity. You’ve done less to help town than anyone else alive.

Now argue how that’s not AI. I’d love to hear that.

[Apple Jack]

urking, making short posts, not giving explanations doesn't make someone scum.

yes it does actually. town has to scumhunt, you can't do that by lurking, making short posts, and not giving explanations.

[Apple Jack]

no you don't need a long post but you need more than

can you grant gameplay, the one who cheated death, his wish and lynch wilky?
or north?
or quick?
I won't even bother with posts or cases just count me in for voting any of those 3

or

pointing fingers at somebody else saying "he is doing it also"

I don't see those as town posts, I will never see them as town posts. Even if somehow game is town, he will have made scum posts as town.

[Apple Jack]

I just get paranoid, because there is a small percentage that makes me think this play is illogical for scum. I really don't know what to think anymore.

[Apple Jack]

Going to be busy today. Game is where I’m going to be voting though

[Apple Jack]

Quick is right. I play the same as both alignments. It’s hard to tell if I’m actually scum or not.

Not sure who the partner is, probably quick but I’m ready to lynch game.

[Apple Jack]

Quick is right. I play the same as both alignments. It’s hard to tell if I’m actually scum or not.

Not sure who the partner is, probably quick but I’m ready to lynch game.

It's honestly amazing that you have the balls to admit that.

Why? Every scum player should try to minic thier town play. That’s why I tell people don’t use meta.

[Apple Jack]

Yeah, it does make his exchanges with Thor look less towny. Call it gut feeling though I don't see Derpy as scum.

Gut sucks. You need to give a reason if you are going to TR someone like this in LyLo.

You also need a reason to scum read somebody and nobody has one for me. You have me playing the same as I do as both alignments. Which makes my play null. Plus I don’t make sense as scum with anyone.

You are talking to wilky like you need him on your side. Which means you think he’s town.

Me/wilky make no sense
Me/you doesn’t either
Me/game doesn’t make sense.

Nobody is left.

You/game make the most sense imo. Both are scummy and game isn’t even trying to solve the game which in mylo and now lylo. The interactions between you two don’t seem genuine. They look like scum theater which I posted earlier.

If I get lynched today it’s basically going to be whoever the remaining townies taking a guess as to what alignment I am.

[Apple Jack]

There is literally no chance I’m lynching north over game. North’s play may have not been great but CS’s posts scream town.

Game/quick imo.

[Apple Jack]

yolo

VOTE: game

[Apple Jack]

I will say I’m disappointed in whoever is actually the BP. You should have claimed yesterday.

[Apple Jack]

What the fuck derpy
Unvote before quick gets his ass here
Jesus what's wrong with you

I’m confident you are scum. If you aren’t play better next time.

[Apple Jack]

Wilky didn’t hammer. This means he’s not scum. I tr the other bp claim over you which means my quick/game team is most likely scenario.

[Apple Jack]

What the fuck derpy
Unvote before quick gets his ass here
Jesus what's wrong with you

I’m confident you are scum. If you aren’t play better next time.

Play better?
Have you seen how you played?
Fkin unvote me and don't lose the game

I have. I know I’m town. I complained about your play during mylo and I’m seeing more of the same in lylo. At least north is inexperienced and probably didn’t know to claim, you have no excuse not to claim during mylo or in your first post in lylo.

Bye Felicia.

[Apple Jack]

I mean even if you don't trust me at all at least give me a chance to interact with north and try to prove he is scum instead of throwing the game

I’m not throwing the game. I’m choosing wisely based on who looks town and who doesn’t. If I’m wrong I’ll accept that but literally nothing you can say in lylo matters cause you’ll say whatever you have to.

If you are town, maybe don’t lurk and refuse to explain your reads. Interact more with others and don’t be a dick

[Apple Jack]

Why tf would I claim in mylo
And even more why would I claim with my first post in lylo?
Think ffs

No way town makes this post. I’ve already explained this btw

[Apple Jack]

Why wouldn't you claim in lylo though?

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE:

I’m ending the day voting game but I’ll let you have your scum theater.

[Apple Jack]

No Im telling derpy to unvote because that vote is absolutely retarded and is essentially game throwing.

1. Don’t ever use the r word around me.
2. No it isn’t game throwing.

VOTE: game

Fuck you

[Apple Jack]

Voting my top scum read, even if I’m wrong isn’t game throwing.

Hands down the scummiest player alive is game.
Game didn’t claim when he should have and waited to CC which looks bad.

I don’t see this from town

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE:

Idk why I’m doing this

[Apple Jack]

Tempted

[Apple Jack]

Also, I cannot counter TSQ's claim based on my role.

I remember this post a while back and was pretty sure this was a soft claim. This is another reason why I believe north.

[Apple Jack]

meh, it's one or the other and I just straight up believe north over game and don't see that really changing.

VOTE: game

I will sort of be sorry if I am wrong, but not super sorry given how useless game was this game.

[Apple Jack]

North if you're scum then I hate you

are you scum?

[Apple Jack]

~still town~

If y’all are trolling me...

I feel good though

[Apple Jack]

Gg. Glad we won despite some challenges.

[Apple Jack]

In my defense up until mylo my scum read of that slot was still justified. As proven, sometimes people don’t claim when they should.

In mylo I knew there was no way thor was getting lynched but I didn’t really have a solid read on anyone. I ended the day basically figuring out the scum team. So while definitely unorthodox in play, I knew exactly what I was doing.

I can’t say I’m done tunneling, I am done arguing/being brash. I’ve finally realized this isn’t my home site and people here are not used to it.

[Apple Jack]

I love how I have won both of the mhsmith games I have been in.

I’m sorry people derped so hard and lynched you for something so stupid. There was no excuse for the “scum slip” thing.

[Apple Jack]

Quick you played well. For me it just came down to poe.

Did you guys ever see the soft claim by CS?

[Apple Jack]

Ok