SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Nero Cain]

Did have a strange feeling that it was a Farside, Auro, Hotac team but meh...

if Ari flips scum that's going to be disproven anyways

[Nero Cain]

I am disappoint that Farside replaced out.

[Nero Cain]

back in your pen

[Nero Cain]

quick's iso has looked terrible for a very long time.

this doesn't necessarily make him scum though

[Nero Cain]

I liked 1819 Could he make that post as scum, sure. It's exactly why ETL's play is dog poo if she's town.

She's an unsympathetic hedge that has willingly muddled the waters. I had zero intention of voting ETL previous to her self vote and now I'm like, "if it happens I'm ok with it."

I arbitrarily chose page 80 to start reading at (sorry I'm absent, I'm changing that now) and Nero's posts are beautiful XD

Imma read up on ETL.

so its all just a big coincidence that you just start randomly reading posts from your prob biggest pusher?

Also, if you didn't understand what was going on with ETL then why are my posts "beautiful"?

[Nero Cain]

ETL feels like newbscum

She has a 2013 join date.

join date has nothing to do with ability.

[Nero Cain]

So I would definitely look at the quick wagon closely compared to those on mine and see who switched and why.

just going off memory, I don't think any of the Quick voters ever voted you besides maybe ML. I think your analysis is bad. That said, I think the Quick wagon is sorta bad and I instantly dislike everyone on it. Isn't it an Ari CW?

[Nero Cain]

i mean, ETL complaining about not being given a chance to play doesn't make a lick of sense b/c she's the one that stopped playing after 4 votes lol

[Nero Cain]

I just really want to lynch Ari.

[Nero Cain]

I can imagine a world where ETL is town but it really hurts to think about it.

[Nero Cain]

6. Aristophanes-would lynch
8. Vecna-eh....
13. gobbledygook eh.....
15. EspeciallyTheLies-eh maybe
16. 50 Judge Powers can die
20. Tchill13 can die
21. Saudade can die

there are way too many ppl I want dead

[Nero Cain]

Quicks vote hoping could be interpreted as fake scum hunting. Makes some sense with a50 given that weird as fuck thing about a50 having good content here but not being able to back it up

[Nero Cain]

but its also quick so....

[Nero Cain]

6. Aristophanes-would lynch
8. Vecna-eh....
13. gobbledygook eh.....
15. EspeciallyTheLies-eh maybe
16. 50 Judge Powers can die
20. Tchill13 can die
21. Saudade can die

there are way too many ppl I want dead

Why the hell would you want me dead on D1?? Have you NEVER EVER learnt anything from the years we've been playing together? Leave me alone on D1, man. Come back to me on D2 or D3 if you like, but let me be on D1 is the golden rule.

im not even voting you fool

[Nero Cain]

weren't u more active in the past?

[Nero Cain]

eh........

[Nero Cain]

eh.......

[Nero Cain]

eh?

[Nero Cain]

im only "town reading" mastina b/c I don't want to read her posts. Kinda legit hate the way she's claiming to be an EZ read and fully within her town meta.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, fuck this ETL

ate

.

[Nero Cain]

I could totally see Mastina going "I'm going to profess my self as town so much that ppl will actually town read me for it." *manical laughter*

[Nero Cain]

What about voting yourself is Pro-Town play tho (not like I am including that here)?

nothing. Like if ETL is a green pm she's a de facto 4th scum member. Scum do use

ate

though and I think that possibility is always there. Been seeing a lot of bad town self vote though....

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Ari

[Nero Cain]

I mean. As it so happens--Ari not playing is his scum meta and his lackluster content this game strongly indicates that he is probably scum here, so.

if u felt this why do you ever change your vote to ETL?

[Nero Cain]

she could be, yeah. Like she's gonna claim that she has duel scum reads so she would just lynch either-or but at the same time, it is the path of least resistance.

[Nero Cain]

Seeking replacements for Elements and Miss Lynch.

this game is a fucking mess.

[Nero Cain]

Nero felt a bit performative from the start.

Seeking replacements for Elements and Miss Lynch.

this game is a fucking mess.

But are you Scum?

??????

sometimes I don't really understand what u post. but no

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: quick

ur annoying

2nd this, not sure if he's scum, could be though.

[Nero Cain]

reaction testing is a is a lvl 1 play (and easily fakeable by scum)

[Nero Cain]

13. gobbledygook
16. 50 Judge Powers
17. mastina
20. Tchill13

as of right now this is kind where I wanna go today.

Wasn't in love with Masina's reaction to getting scum read and the "as promised" seems slimey to me.

tchil's hard town read of ETL doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I've played with tchill a ton and it feels like ETL

ate

ing is something that he normally questions.

Wasn't in love with farside's content and gobble has been kinda a lurksack.

50's main contributing being mechanics seems scummy. If Dave does flip scum his light defense of a50 could be buddy play

but so could quicks....

but Quick is also bad enough to be scummy without being scum. Kinda wanna pl him though...

[Nero Cain]

We can also lynch Saunde

[Nero Cain]

I'm not tunneling TSE yet. Does this mean he's scum?

[Nero Cain]

y is tchill town?

[Nero Cain]

What are your reads right now?

iso me and look at like my last 2 or 3 posts

[Nero Cain]

this seems like way more effort then Dave has ever put into a game.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Dave

There's a lot of fence-sitting and wishy-washy language. A reads list from Dave seems v unusual as well. Town Dave just seems to plod along.

[Nero Cain]

oh right

VOTE: davesaz

[Nero Cain]

more Dave votes plox

[Nero Cain]

ok? why send me a link and not use your words?

[Nero Cain]

Dave just knows she's towm

[Nero Cain]

I figured it was easier to show you you’re wrong than it is to tell you.

but throwing out an ISO is ambigious and leaving it up to players to make up their own interpretations seems kinda It feels half-assed.

he'd be playing a better town game if he were scum.

exactly what information do you have that lets you know that I'm playing a bad game?

[Nero Cain]

Dave gets annoyed or angry as Town

@nero: here's a link. Don't know why it's so long.
viewtopic.php?t=81703&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Doesn't really seem angry or annoyed too me?

[Nero Cain]

in fact, Tchill I just called your #1 scum read scum. How exactly am I playing poorly if you think I'm correct on Mastina? Isn't that like talking out of both sides of your mouth?

[Nero Cain]

you can read ebery player correctly and still play poorly as town

then how am I playing poorly?

[Nero Cain]

im just aggravating you nero. I do think your town and it is because im not a fan of how you're playing but id rather not argue.

If you rather not argue what's the point of willingly antagonizing me?

[Nero Cain]

Dave

[Nero Cain]

what do u think of Dave?

[Nero Cain]

idk, that reads list is really wishy-washy and I dislike it immensely.

[Nero Cain]

ok but I wasn't pushing Angry Dave=scum Dave....

[Nero Cain]

i dont think youre pushing anything with depth and everything youre doing is very surface lvl imo.

and yet u r town reading me?

Still feel like both of us scum reading Mastina and you saying I'm playing poorly is talking out of both sides of your mouth. If Mastina is scum and I'm pushing 33% of the original scum team when the majority of town is NOT pushing Mastina then I think I'm doing pretty well. Like, I don't give you shits about you being kinda insulty towards me but your logic is just kinda messed up and I

kinda

get the feeling that you know I am playing poorly b/c Mastina isn't scum.

but then again I got in a huge fight with Robbana (or w/e) when we were both scum reading the same person but he was calling my reasoning bad so eh...I guess you aren't that much better than him anyways.

[Nero Cain]

this seems like a very different tchill then the loud obnoxious one I've played with many times b4.

[Nero Cain]

I'm still here but not all that interested in this game. Still feel Dave and tchill should die. And a50.

[Nero Cain]

I'm still here but not all that interested in this game. Still feel Dave and tchill should die. And a50.

You certainly like controversial stances this game. I don't see scum trying to take this particular hill. Or at least not at this time.

What makes them controversial?

[Nero Cain]

Why do you want Dave and A50? What do you think of Quick, 5G, and Elements/Nadhia?

I might elaborate on Dave more later but if you really don't want to wait you can read my ISO and get a p good gist of it. Its just gut, I feel like he's somewhat different than usual Dave. a50 spent D1 talking about mechanics and today I didn't like his Quick vote. There's also a weird thing where Dave light defended a50 since he (a50) apparently does talk about mechanics alot. But I don't really remember that.

I

kinda

feel like Quick might be town for his effort. I'm somewhat concerned with his weird a50 stance. He goes from claiming a50 has good content and isn't really able to back that up. I made a post about it. You could also interpret his D1 vote hoping as scum that's trying to look busy.

5g is nullish I guess. Gimmick alts are lame and are the lowest form of comedy.

Ele was p null too. IG you could interpret Nadhia's scum read of me and not engaging me as scum hedging that's too afraid to engage me. I agree'd with her that the mechanic's discussion should stop (since its a good place for scum to hide) so IG thats town unless you really wanted to interpret it as

LAMIST

.

[Nero Cain]

^
scum

[Nero Cain]

What scum agenda do you or anyone scumreading her see in her posts?

We are supposed to be reading her posts?

[Nero Cain]

this doesn't really have anything to really do with this game but I v much dislike how ppl claim X has bad reads without knowing the setup. Often times that's from shit players who then go on to tunnel a bunch of town. lol In Ari's case he would know his alignment and ETL has already flipped a green pm so Mastina's reads

HAVE

been objectively wrong/bad. That doesn't necessarily make her scum though.

I'm a little worried that tchill is bussing her b/c d1 busses are a hallmark of Mastina scum

AND

tchill is doing nothing but tunneling Mastina.

[Nero Cain]

I’m confused. Wouldn’t that mean Mastina is more likely town in your eyes since ETL flipped town?

I should town read someone for pushing town?

or

I should town read Mastina b/c ETL wasn't a bus?


I think both of these are bad arguments.

[Nero Cain]

any reason you have to believe im scum is tmi or bussing.

As scum, Mastina believes in bussing/distancing. You pushing Mastina and nothing else would fit that profile in a you/Mastina scum team.

Unless you've greatly improved pushing an

ate

ing ETL seems like something that town you would do.

There are 3 1/2 scum now. You are pushing a single player and it seems fake.

[Nero Cain]

this doesn't really have anything to really do with this game but I v much dislike how ppl claim X has bad reads without knowing the setup. Often times that's from shit players who then go on to tunnel a bunch of town.

you literally just went out of your way to call ppl shit and even made a point to mention this doesnt pertain to this game.

ok whats your point? You just trying to earn brownie points for standing up to meany Nero Cain? There is 0 town motivation here.

[Nero Cain]

Why are you only pushing Mastina when there are 3 1/2 scum?

[Nero Cain]

am actually mad saudade replaces out as soon as we run him up. i dont wanna add to the pity party but that's like, super demoralizing.

might just deathtunnel anyway. feels like we need more information ie more flips.

u might as well be scum

its not the greatest reason in the world but every game I've been in with Saud he's replaced out as town.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, do you really think scum would chill out pushing an impossible target?

y is Mastina an "impossible target"? And sure why not?

[Nero Cain]

voted prob is scum, ya

[Nero Cain]

also Oka

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82913

this is me calling the scum teams shots

[Nero Cain]

also Oka

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82913

this is me calling the scum teams shots

why is this relevant and why do i care?

its not. I mean our last game u said I wouldn't be calling the scum teams shots. I'm calling the shots here and flawless victory. Dunno why so angry.

[Nero Cain]

all yalls is so angry all the time. u guys need to meditate or medicate or smoke a bowl or get laid or something. jesus fuck.

[Nero Cain]

i don't have any grudge

[Nero Cain]

I mean, you call me scum every game so you're going to be eventually correct @ some point.

[Nero Cain]

FTR, I never pmed the mod. Voted just seemed mildly scummy to me for other reasons and that's why I said what I said. It had nothing to do with a 1v1 between him and Jake. Although IG that means Jake is lying so....

[Nero Cain]

no offense nero but if you are scum you aren't deciding the night kill

I'm not sure why you said that.

to me, u seemed a lil' angry in 3507

like I'm not mad or anything but I just thought it was a lil' funny you believe that and then when I do roll scum and call the shots it ends up in a flawless victory and I wanted to show you. No clue what 3519 is about.

[Nero Cain]

but I just did quote it....

[Nero Cain]

in fairness, Jake and voted have contradictory answers so it makes it seem like one is lying, I don't feel like its some crzy logic that Quick sees this and goes "hey Jake is scum!"

ofc could abuse that as well. If Jake is town.

[Nero Cain]

y r u playing so differently, TSE?

[Nero Cain]

Honestly, I don't think Jake would talk about getting mod killed as a defense to being Scum...

I have reasons for why I kinda think Jake might be town but I think that hiding behind a modkill is a perfectly acceptable strat as scum.

[Nero Cain]

All your reasons for reads are terrible. Seriously.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, you call me scum every game so you're going to be eventually correct @ some point.

the hypocrisy

I mean, pushing 1 play in a gamestate that has 3 1/2 seems pro-scum. You are far less likely to hit scum when you cast such a small net. "town hunting" is stupid and town reading players has the effect of slightly buddying a player.

also that whole "I'm playing on such a high lvl!" is just arrogant and annoying. If you are a green pm you really aren't helping town.

[Nero Cain]

The way this posts comes off to me is super scummy. It's setting up a possibility for one scumbuddy to give another scumbuddy a pass for a bad lynch.

I don't really agree with this. Like yes its kinda scummy but I don't think its any kind of "setup". I just think he's just "telling the truth". Its a null worthless post.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero, what do you think of Tchill's non-answers to my questions to actually show he's as good as he says he is?

he can't link any good games b/c he doesn't have any

[Nero Cain]

but you and quick are being annoying little Sh*theads

if this is your reaction to being suspected then you need to grow up, guy.

[Nero Cain]

Honestly, why are we not lynching Creature rn?

b/c im vigging him n4

[Nero Cain]

there's a scum case on me?

[Nero Cain]

@Hoctac

why was I not sent fruit last night?

[Nero Cain]

i might order from grubhub tonight

[Nero Cain]

lol, can agree with the lynchbait part but idk about solve though

[Nero Cain]

i might order from grubhub tonight

My daughter ordered sushi using a 3rd party app. 3rd party said it was going to cost about $17. Actual cost >$60. Menu price $42. Perplexed to say the least. On an app that had been offering free delivery. Bottom line, be careful.

jesus. I have all the food delivery services apps. Grubhub, uber eats, bite squad. I like to do uber eats b/c they have a thing that's like u get free delivery if someone else is already ordering from that restaurant but that's only on the app, not the website. Once the virus broke out I think they all started to offer free delivery but I tried to order a week or 2 ago and they still had the delivery fee listed so I noped up out of there. You should maybe ask 4 ur $$$ back, There is a thing, I think on all of them there's a thing that says something like "updated receipt will be sent to u after ur order is completed" and they can maybe charge for xtra things like heavy traffic or long w8 time @ the restaurant or w/e.

[Nero Cain]

My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

[Nero Cain]

well that kinda goes with the playing up your viness. Getting you to be openly scummy and use u as a meat shield inst horrible.


Should I be voting u here?

[Nero Cain]

b/c we are doing what oka wantef

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nhadia

town, to me!

[Nero Cain]

Nahdia is very much active lurking

[Nero Cain]

you haven't really done anything but tunnel Quick this game.

[Nero Cain]

Nahdia is very much active lurking

to be clear, my approach to mafia right now is that i read throughout the day as available and then set aside a window of time in the evening to reread and post. makes me enjoy the game more/feel less stressed out.

That's what we in the buisness call

LURKING

help me wagon this.

[Nero Cain]

like, I kinda think Dave and Nahdia are both incredibly scummy for fence-sitting on the Wolfie thing.

[Nero Cain]

not to misrepresent anyone's case but if you're actually gonna try and run me up for my posting schedule, ive got nothing to say to you lol

Why have you refused to engage me?

[Nero Cain]

sorry, i thought i had engaged u when appropriate. what do you want from me? i have a bit of time.

talk about your read on me and your reads in general.

it feels like u are just throwing out a reads list to look busy.

[Nero Cain]

hoctac, why didn't i get a mango last night?

[Nero Cain]

I am very excited to si an Ari solve

[Nero Cain]

Still having a kinda hard time seeing Jake as scum. I mean, I guess its not TOTALLY impossible that Jake goes "I'm going to throw some heat onto Voted by claiming he's lying even though it could easily be found out that I'm not telling the truth." Is he really that bad as scum?

[Nero Cain]

is not d3 yes, y is FL posting?

[Nero Cain]

Eh, like I said, i don’t think Quick/Jake are Scum/Scum, and I feel Quick is more likely to be scum

I'm worried this is chain lynching. I was lightly town reading Boon b/c I coulda swore that this whole "im gonna start playing d3!" was something a green pm FL has done b4. Or maybe he did it as scum. Or maybe its null and he does it as both.

You could also interpret this as "push town (Quick) bus buddy (jake)" So could scum be Jake/FL and ???

[Nero Cain]

idk y Oka keeps mentioning me as possible sm or w/e. He keeps sating that I am trying to form a bloc or w.e.

tse is playing extremely different.

quick is quick and I mainly ignore him.

I only think Jake is scum if he's like the worst scum ever wich is possible I guess. He's not a bad d2 flip.

I don't want to be paired with any of them and im not exactly sure why you even have a POE pool od Jake/TSE/Quick/ Nero

[Nero Cain]

what exactly am I siding with them on?

[Nero Cain]

I don’t chain lynch, and I’ve already said they could even be town town, and I put Jake in my town block.

How is this chain lynching?

IG I'm a bit confused then. If you thought Jake was town then calling Jake/Quick "not S/S" seems like weird wording, imo.

I feel scum are feeling threatened by my entrance.

Who is doing this? As far as I know I'm the only one that's questioning you. Am I scum? Feels a little like false bravado.

[Nero Cain]

so much lamist

[Nero Cain]

picking voted over jake

Did I really do this though? I am not voting voted and if I was picking voted over Jake shouldn't I be voting voted?

voting nahdia when the conversation was starting to focus in , that's just destructive to a town that has had troubles focusing in on something for the entire game and any townie should realize that there is a lot of value to be gained from having a focused, single conversation than what you were trying to do and quick ended up helping you, being distractions

ok but the flipside here is having a single conversation severely limits the game state. Also I really really don't think my singular vote on Nhadia is distracting from Jake. If Jake is indeed town then wanting us to focus on him is just giving scum a safe comfortable game state. How is that any different from FL who is trying to lead a Quick wagon? Why was he not on your list? Are you saying that today should be a jake or Quick lynch?

and then shading jake case multiple times, which maybe you do believe, but i really appears that the rest of teh cohorts do as well

I think my analysis is pretty fair. I'm giving Jake a lot of credit here in assuming that he

wouldn't

make such a disastrous play as scum. Yes he could good like that and it really could be that simple. I've said he's not a bad d2 lynch.

[Nero Cain]

I think the gamestate is ok. True there are alot of lurker/trolls and lynching in lurker/trolls is prob the best way to use our lynch at the moment so I'm sure I agree with your "the sky is falling!" discredit/rant of the gamestate.

[Nero Cain]

People were making lazy cases on lurkers, now there is hope in a hyperfocused conversation and we can work our ways out of this pit

What is there a conversation to be had about? You're just saying to vote Quick or Jake. That's not a "conversation"

majority decides the details.

not saying that my reads are always better but it's not like the majority always gets it right either.

[Nero Cain]

oka why haven't u read d1? I remember when I replaced in and you fussed @ me for not reading. This is hypocritical @ least. Scummy @ best.

[Nero Cain]

I feel like if Oka is scum here, Jake and Quick could just be town and he's trying to limit scumhunting.

[Nero Cain]

really not liking the

ate

here

[Nero Cain]

like, in a way, not alot got done d1 b/c ETL decided to put herself b4 the rest of the town.

[Nero Cain]

yep, im shading Oka. There's no room for criticism ever. Its shade and onlt comes from scum. very surface lvl stuff.

[Nero Cain]

It's unnecessary effort to limit scumhunting when the wagons have already built up between them to this level.

yeah but I'm not doing that and he's trying to keep things contained to a Jake/Quick and if he's scum and Quick/Jake are town then not wanting us to vote outside of that is proscum. He's also saying "lets have a conversation." About what exactly? We know the case on Jake. He just wants a lynch.

I mean, there are 5 days left in deadline. Should we all just stop doing anything other than voting Jake or Quick?

[Nero Cain]

ill ISO Quick later and see if im still comfy with my vote there

I don't really like this. Has Quick has their 3rd biggest scum read but needs to see if they still want to vote there? What else would they be doing with their vote?

[Nero Cain]

its only anti-town if they are scum and Jake's prob getting lynched anyways. There's like 0 reason to focus on him.

[Nero Cain]

or maybe I'm just better @ multitaking then others.

[Nero Cain]

I once caught scumCheecky Teeky for vote hoping and trying to look busy, I said the same thing d1 about Quick.

[Nero Cain]

Auro, if Quick and Jake are both town how would you feel about Oka?

[Nero Cain]

maybe if you bothered to read the entire post rather than snip things out of context.

the context is that i dont remember why i was initially scumreading quick

ok but

though that said, again, im really not picky with who we lynch as long as it's not one of my townread

then why do you give a shit about why you were voting him?

tonal reads are bad even though i have a bad habit of doing them when im at a loss and just want something to cling to.

Why are you so lost this game?

[Nero Cain]

I am Townreading her.

y?

[Nero Cain]

Nero felt a bit performative from the start.

what is this?

[Nero Cain]

About the same reason I’m Townreading Mastina.

ok y?

[Nero Cain]

Nero felt a bit performative from the start.

what is this?

Nero, are you related to Eddie Came in any way?

thankfully no.

Also kinda think ETL is scum.

Also kinda think ETL is scum.

maybe? I'm not so sure after all. Game is a lil' odd.

didnt like these posts. especially the "Game is a lil' odd" remark on, drum roll please, post 20.

Whats summy about any of those?

[Nero Cain]

About the same reason I’m Townreading Mastina.

ok y?

Transparency in their thoughts.

good thing that's impossible to fake as scum.

[Nero Cain]

those posts to me look like someone immediately trying to jump in and appear town. first "look at me im scumhunting" and then immediately to "hmm actually... this game is confusing, im uncertain!" to hedge your bets and look like town trying to sort. but like, what are you even talking about. the game was on page 1, how could you possibly already be thinking things were off? i would agree the game is off NOW for a variety of reasons, but at that point it just feels like a forced towntell. woe is me, im so uncertain, blah blah, etc.

As someone that just ragged on me selectively quoting or w/e you wanna call it you sure have no trouble doing that.

I was thinking ETL was scum, yes. I think my 29 perfectly explains my 20 So yes, thinking 1 thing and then finding contradictory evidence would and should make me uncertain. Also really dislike how you are claiming that I'm trying to look town instead of just being town. How do u tell the difference?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not really sure if Nahdia actually believes that I was complaining about the gamestate on p1. Me thinking that ETL was initially scummy and then doubting myself b/c I found something that made me original criticism invalid is just good rational play but in Nahdia's world you can never ever change an opinion.

This deserves rope/vig

[Nero Cain]

I disagree immensely that we should only be focusing on Jake/Quick but with 5 days till deadline I doubt anyone gets lynched but them. I think my criticism of the Jake wagon is valid here. Still don't really think that a scum Jake who knew that infected know they are infected sorta CC's voted there. It would have to be VERY VERY poor scum play if it was. I mean, it's not really impossible since scum I could see a newb scum go "hey, I'm going to throw some doubt on Voted and get him lynched!" If he's town though he'll make an ez hedge 4 scum and eat our night actions so he makes for a decent d2 lynch. Consider my vote on Jake is sprit and I'll move there when I have to.

[Nero Cain]

i am open to broadening the conversation soon fwiw, i just want a few slots to weigh in before we move on and they decide to latch onto other things and not talk about this

this seems weird since you just blasted me for not wanting to exclusively focus on jake/quick.

[Nero Cain]

yes, u were fighting an uphill battle when the 2 biggest wagons were Quick and Jake....

[Nero Cain]

if you want to broaden the pool of suspects, you need to do some more casework imo because afaik you are pushing nahdia for things im not sure are indeed AI

Except Nhadia's reasons for voting me are objectively terrible and that is actually Scummy.

this.

had also felt like the kinda continued push on Saudade after her replaced out was scummy.

Come to think of it Nahdia is really jumping between the biggest wagons and that's scummy as well.

[Nero Cain]

I highly doubt this day phase was ever going to end in a not Jake lynch and I feel like your "we need to have a conversation! was really stale b/c its been played out. The only options are lynch Jake and end the day phase or talk about something else. like there was no real reason to spend a week talking about a maybe slip.

[Nero Cain]

Outside of Jake and Nahdia who would you vote?

other than a pl on Creature

I kinda think there's scum in

12. Flavor Leaf
13. gobbledygook
14. davesaz
16. 50 Judge Powers
20. Tchill13

[Nero Cain]

u r being very jokey and trolly this game....

[Nero Cain]

remind me who u think is scum, Alch?

[Nero Cain]

i'd lynch hoctac for not sending me fruit

[Nero Cain]

I'm strongly town reading u?

[Nero Cain]

though Nahdia is being opportunistic with their voting.

Also just looked @ ELE and still think he's nullish but he was calling ETL town then naked votes her same posts later and that

IS

pretty scummy.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, Bingle is always scum. that's a given.

[Nero Cain]

Who is teh scum?

is it me?

nahdia says u r. r u?

[Nero Cain]

lame

[Nero Cain]

why does nadhia think Im scum? her iso looked like it thought you were.

idk why they think u r scum. I'm being scum read for supposedly complaining about the game state on p1 and "tying to look town" and "throwing shade" onto Oka. I think all these are bullshit reasons.

[Nero Cain]

What's the record for replace outs?

[Nero Cain]

@Nero: I would still think Oka is town. A scumflip in Jake/Quick would lock him town.

not what I asked though.


Also, why are you pushing Blair?

[Nero Cain]

i like my zany idea where this was some really strange double bus gambit

but how would they coordinate it?

a50 said on d1 that infected functions like traitors.

[Nero Cain]

honestly? I'm just kinda like "what the hell did Jake ask to get a no response when we all got yes'?"

I feel like the only 2 explanations here are he asked something else or he's just scum that tied to get voted lynched.

[Nero Cain]

now he's saying that he DID ask something else so hrmmmmm.....

[Nero Cain]

If you're asking why not, directing focus and letting Blair get into the game.

but you

ALWAYS

push amished and you aren't here so......

[Nero Cain]

Nero, why the PL on Creature and not on someone like 5G?

b/c Creature is going to be useless as town and a distraction. and he post add nothing of value. I had thought that 5g had more content but he doesn't so he's a decent lynch as well.

[Nero Cain]

I pushed Amished once, partly as a cheeky response to another slot pushing a slot I townread for it

if u say so. I coulda swore you did it in two games.

[Nero Cain]

i kinda just wanna lynch 5g

[Nero Cain]

Creature never has any bit. :/

[Nero Cain]

bite even

[Nero Cain]

to the ppl voting Quick-

is a50 scum?

[Nero Cain]

I'm trying to re-read Jake and my head hurts from just trying to figure out the point of half his posts.

[Nero Cain]

I cant see anything BUT scum equity in quick's play.

conf bias. Can u answer my q about a50?

[Nero Cain]

you're missing nahdia

[Nero Cain]

so right off the bat in 3530 he's claiming that he can't reveal the question that he asked b/c he'll be modkilled. Wich you could interpret as scum not wanting to out information.

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I really don't get this response here.

It's hard to scumhunt when people are schumhunting you, but w/e

Ah the Titus defense.

I think for Jake to be scum here he as to be just very bad and thought it would just be good scumplay to CC voted there. Lynching him today seems underwhelming but he has to go.


Both 5g and Nahdia to be lynched as well.

[Nero Cain]

5g, Nahdia, gobbled team?

[Nero Cain]

nah, I think Ele was scummy as fuck in retrospect. He was null, and then town read ETL and then voted ETL. And Nahdia has done nothing but come in and tunneled town (me) and prob town (Quick, Piss)

[Nero Cain]

one of the best town players in 2020.

[Nero Cain]

Blair is new Creature

[Nero Cain]

I'd like to hear more about your reads this game.

[Nero Cain]

I'd like to hear more about your reads this game.

@ blair

[Nero Cain]

his explanation for what i thought was really scummy on page 1 is fine,

but the explanation was in the very next post. I'm not sure how you missed it. I don't believe that you actually thought I was complaining about the game state on p1. Nevermind that someone who actully complained about the gamestate for little or no reason and you fawn over him. Your "scumhunting" is very selective. All this seems more like willful ignorance then just not reading well.

I also really don't get why your unvoting Quick here.

[Nero Cain]

my assumption was that the infected will essentially become traitors that don't know the scumteam.

Good theory, actually. I like this idea, but IDK how true it is. I figured it was a CULT game because I am NOT expecting MADE UP roles - only roles that already exist but just have different flavor names. That is what I gathered from ETL.

A50 already brought this up d1. It makes sense and it made me kinda think that a50 was scum (and now Nahdia)

[Nero Cain]

u jelly nero

very

[Nero Cain]

I know nahdia isn't getting lynched today and I already said I'd vote Jake when I need to.

what do you think of nahdia's unvote?

[Nero Cain]

but the explanation was in the very next post. I'm not sure how you missed it

over 100 pages, my dude. it wasn't exactly a close reading.

I don't really buy this. You were scum reading me for post 20 but p2 was too much for you to read?

[Nero Cain]

lol I think Jake might be town but this thing is going to hang over him all game and I think that's bad for the town.

[Nero Cain]

christ all-fucking-mighty is the idea that i was skimming, took a note on something i didnt like, and then continued skimming and didnt note down the next post that crazy? your tunnel vision is unmatched.

no but its also a somewhat convenient defense no?

"I didn't see the explanation b/c U wuz skimming!"

[Nero Cain]

Literally the best fucking paraphrase I can give you is literally "Do infected know they are infected?"

then u should have gotten a yes for this. I really have no clue whats going on.

[Nero Cain]

I think Jake is just a vi. Though there's that small amount of paranoia where he's just newb scum that tries to throw heat on Voted. Talking about him (and Quick to a lesser extent) is boring and useless since they've already been talked about for eons. Its time to move on.

BUT FOCUS, WE HAVE TO FOCUS!

, squawks the alarmist bird. (and gobble and dave)

[Nero Cain]

Why do ppl refuse to talk about Nahdia? Talking about Jake ad nausem is getting us nowhere and just gives scum a safe place to hind.

[Nero Cain]

"lets spend the game FOCUSING on a veru specific slot or 2 @ a time."

Is this really how ppl play mafia these days? JESUS FUCK

[Nero Cain]

I've noted that TSE has been playing differently this game. I had also forgotten that he was banned. So I'm not sure how much of his play is AI or just trying to not get caught up and get banned again.

[Nero Cain]

nahdia is still scum btw

[Nero Cain]

That's a detail in my original role PM

Ah! So you were infected last night!

[Nero Cain]

mastina I think you should drop this.

listen to ur scum buddy!

[Nero Cain]

my assumption was that the infected will essentially become traitors that don't know the scumteam.

Good theory, actually. I like this idea, but IDK how true it is. I figured it was a CULT game because I am NOT expecting MADE UP roles - only roles that already exist but just have different flavor names. That is what I gathered from ETL.

A50 already brought this up d1. It makes sense and it made me kinda think that a50 was scum (and now Nahdia)

I am scum because I make sense??!!

I don't think it's impossible that scum would filter in correct information in an attempt to make themselves look better.

[Nero Cain]

No Mastina, fuck you.

If anyone suspects you then you get mad and ad hommy. At the very least it's super immature.

You also specifically said you had more than one pm. Whether you slipped intentionally or not doesn't matter.

[Nero Cain]

That's a detail in my original role PM

Ah! So you were infected last night!

this, to me, is Mastina claiming that she has more than one pm.

[Nero Cain]

What if she's scum that intentionally slipped "infected" so we don't lynch her?

[Nero Cain]

like holy shit, something Mastina says something suspicious and she gets all high and mighty when someone points it out? That's the game. What the fuck is this shit?

[Nero Cain]

it's really weird wording though. "My original pm". I'll drop it if no one else see's it but it's a strange way to put

[Nero Cain]

Since Nahdia is around, why did you unvote?

[Nero Cain]

Blair, why was it important to roleclaim?

[Nero Cain]

Subject: Maplewood Village - game over - [MATURE CONTENT!]

Mastina, after you finish the poem, of course, by when, during the day, must you submit your target?

The original role PM did not specify. I did ask, but I was told, "You can submit any time prior to a certain point (after which it will be random), and I will inform you 24 hours before that point comes". It was very vague, in that he specifically did not tell me when the cutoff was precisely.

only instance i can find mastina using this exact phrase

ah! dreamrlz we barely miss u

She was town that game so maybe its nothing but I still think its weird wording-and her getting mad over being questioned/pushed on it was mildly scummy and immature. There's another reason that Mastina calling Blair out was iffy buy eh...

[Nero Cain]

Blair is doing an excellent job of dodging me though. If that gets wagoned I'll join there.

[Nero Cain]

going out of his fucking way to scumread me

no I not.

[Nero Cain]

No one should be above suspicion. You said something that, FMPOV, was suspicious. I am wholly in the right to question you about it.Thats not "going out of my way" that's playing the game.

I'm not certain why you'd chose "original pm" over just something normal like "role pm"

[Nero Cain]

You are making every possible excuse to turn me into a scumread and discarding every possible indicator that I am town.

???

it's not like I was in Maplewood village so....

I think your argument that I'm going ou of my way to scum read you and "turn you into a scumread" is balls. u r doing a perfectly good job of that on your own.

[Nero Cain]

Someone cure mastina tonight pl0x.

just FTR, you believe that she is infected and slipped, right?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not "going out of my way". Stop trying to play a victim here, its disgusting.

[Nero Cain]

Can't spell noob without boon

[Nero Cain]

See how many players in the game agree with you versus disagree with you and see how many people follow through on what you said.

???? Who cares and what's the point even?

[Nero Cain]

nahdia, why did u unvote Quick?

[Nero Cain]

im tunneling you b/c u aren't doing anything but you aren't doing anything b/c I am tunneling you. Its a vicious cycle.

[Nero Cain]

like part of me just wants to lynch in 5g, jake, TSE and FL and go from there.

[Nero Cain]

I kinda agree with 2874