Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

Then discuss the merits of Gamma tomorrow?

I'm a bit worried that if NM stays alive, Day 3 will be exactly like Day 2 wherein town will go "Oh wait NM is alive I can't read him"

Bro, the scum NM I know just allowed himself to be the Elim for the game

Town NM actively states who they think scum is and pushes the wagon there

NANCY CAN CHECK HIM TONIGHT AND END THAT

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy gets a conftown read on Not Mafia, and then immediately everyone can see what’s been happening this game, and we have the Gamma flip for a lot of info, much more than NM.

It also avoids the day being a rehash of Nancy vs Gamma or Gamma vs FL,

which I feel ends in my misfade

.

why
why do you think it goes to you over me given today's events?

If Gamma can get a false inno, then why are we putting so much trust in an investigative on NM?

And in the first place, why do we need an investigative on NM if we can just flip him now.

I would be more apprehensive if I hadn't seen Town NM be a tour de force

How is Not Mafia gonna get a false inno?

Gamma is a claimed bus driver.

Fuckkkk, i might have to quit mafia again, i get way too worked up

[Flavor Leaf]

If Gamma can get a false inno, then why are we putting so much trust in an investigative on NM?

And in the first place, why do we need an investigative on NM if we can just flip him now.

I would be more apprehensive if I hadn't seen Town NM be a tour de force

Why do we need an investigate on Gamma if we can just flip him now

[Flavor Leaf]

Shoot fucking me.

I quit

[Flavor Leaf]

If Gamma can get a false inno, then why are we putting so much trust in an investigative on NM?

And in the first place, why do we need an investigative on NM if we can just flip him now.

I would be more apprehensive if I hadn't seen Town NM be a tour de force

Again +1.

DP, thanks for your sacrifice. Promise to not stop giving FL shit in his faded people party when NM flips scum here.

THIS IS THE GOD FUCKING DAMN REASON FOR MY FUCKING FIRE RIGHT NOW IN THE FIRST PLACE

NOT MAFIA FLIPS SCUM PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO FUCKING FLAVOR SCUM

BUT AMPHAROS AND GAMMA SETUP A FUCKING SITUATION WHERE IF NOT MAFIA FLIPS TOWN THEY GONNA GO FUCKING FLAVOR SCUM

I AM FUCKING TOWN

[Flavor Leaf]

This entire fucking situation as been setup by scum.

Not Mafia is town because of it

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, Boon. Stop tunneling for a second.

If you believe Gamma can be fake inno'd and town believes that then they wouldn't autoclear Gamma and Nancy would be wise not to use their role there.

Conversely, isn't a bus driver given the option who to redirect? I.e. they can choose to redirect other players and not confirm themselves on a gambit.

These arguments take too many assumptions in play where in a competent town can just discuss it?

I’m the only town that does believe this because for some reason everytime I’m town I’m the only one who knows anything that’s going on.

(Fwiw, I do think Jjh has played a strong town game, and does know what’s going on when they are around, so disclude him from that)

[Flavor Leaf]

This entire fucking situation as been setup by scum.

Not Mafia is town because of it

Haya and DP set this up.

This is a surface level comment.

I could see Hayasaka and Ampharos being setup.

DrP did not set this up.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m really loud right now, but know I’m just a loud passionate person and I’m not doing it necessarily in anger or hate

[Flavor Leaf]

DrP, please don’t shoot Not Mafia.

Talking about Not Mafia tomorrow is not a bad thing. Preserving the life of a single townie is incredibly powerful.

I will get him to do stuff tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you think Gamma is scum, you gotta convince town, isn't that the point.

You have the Nancy Hydra on Gamma as well and so does BEF.


I'm super concerned right now that you DONT want NM flipped.

I have seen Town NM and this is not

the town NM

that I saw.

How many times have you seen townNM compared to scumNM? Because I’ve played upwards of 12+ games with Not Mafia, probably more.

[Flavor Leaf]

This entire fucking situation as been setup by scum.

Not Mafia is town because of it

Haya and DP set this up.

This is a surface level comment.

I could see Hayasaka and Ampharos being setup.

DrP did not set this up.

I mean that Haya wanted to Gladiate so he did. DrP agreed to use his venge on who the majority wanted.

NM has been a frontrunner for the venge since the beginning iirc.

And even back then I stated I didn’t want to have Not Mafia Venged.

My stance is not new.

[Flavor Leaf]

My read on Not Mafia, is far more developed than Ampharos’. They have completely positioned themselves in a way where no matter what, I will come off as the person who will take the heat.

They’re also kissing up to everyone by telling them what they want to hear.

This list includes, KD, DrPepper, and Nancy, could be more, but this is off the top of my head.

I no longer think there is a scum in DrP and NM.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ampharos/Gamma team is suddenly emerging.

Gamma acting like my posts were changing after his defeatist act, BS

[Flavor Leaf]

Here's the thing.

I find a discussion on Gamma tomorrow to be more productive because you have more to go off on.

NM? Well half the town will be on him again and since he literally disappeared without reasonable reads, then the discussion fails.

You know why I'm shooting NM?

Town NM would have told me to shoot someone else

Because town NM advocated for the Vig of my scumbuddies in the last game we played together

HE DID.

HE SAID “PLEASE DONT VENGE ME”

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t give a damn what NM’s done this game. Gamestate alone and other people’s reactions towards this is why he’s town.

[Flavor Leaf]

i worry that FL's a wolf caught in a spot where he's not quite sure how to position himself around the inevitable flip of a low hanging villager,

Setting me up for Not MafiaTown flip here. And it’s also hidden in the middle of a post that’s kinda blocky.

In what world am I ever going to be caught up about positioning myself around someone like Not Mafia here.

Sure, I can understand if someone is pushing me as a partner to NM, but this is completely manipulative to the gamestate 100%.

[Flavor Leaf]

maybe i am being pocketed because of how i'm empathizing with her statements.

time to actually do that ISOing i said i would

Ampharos is literally just telling everyone what they want to hear, and not hard committing on any slot really, yet trying to make me take a hard stance, then setting up that no matter what Not Mafia flips, I look bad for it?

Yeah, right.

Venge that slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

NM is fadeable. If Not Mafia isn’t venged, they will go down still.

Ampharos red flip also would effectively clear both myself and NM.

[Flavor Leaf]

On top of that, I really don’t care about giving you a “correct answer”. I have stated my read on Not Mafia Over and over, and you are actively trying to get it to be different than what I stated to make a fabricated case.

Shoot Ampharos.

Also, Ampharos has been trying to get hard stances, but all their reads allow them to backtrack on their reads and flip when is convenient for them.

HURT: Ampharos

Nancy, you’re being pocketed.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, I feel like you've tunneled way too hard and are insisting on this too much.

My recommendation is for you to redirect your energy into a case for Gamma because guess what, you aren't the only one to scum read him and you have the support of BEF and Venus who also think he is scum.

If you say "he can be fake inno'd" then town isn't stupid enough to just take his inno at face value

If you really believe Gamma is scum, you'll get him tomorrow.

I don't want tomorrow to be a whole "we should have venged NM" thing where in town literally spends half the day on their ass fighting about the NM slot

It’s because I’m right.

I won’t get him tomorrow. Scum have a night kill. They have the gamestate advantage over me. They’ve played this game in a way to be able to discredit me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t fucking shoot Not Mafia.

Laziest fucking surface level shot I’ve ever seen

[Flavor Leaf]

God damn, there’s a reason I smoke everyone both alignments when I play on Stealth accounts.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re a surface level player then

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re a surface level player then

Or scum

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, I feel like you've tunneled way too hard and are insisting on this too much.

My recommendation is for you to redirect your energy into a case for Gamma because guess what, you aren't the only one to scum read him and you have the support of BEF and Venus who also think he is scum.

If you say "he can be fake inno'd" then town isn't stupid enough to just take his inno at face value

If you really believe Gamma is scum, you'll get him tomorrow.

I don't want tomorrow to be a whole "we should have venged NM" thing where in town literally spends half the day on their ass fighting about the NM slot

In regards to this, i don’t even fucking know for sure with Gamma, it’s Ampharos who I know is scum, who I absolutely wont get, and if Gamma is town here, we lose by not shooting there.

Simple as that.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Gamma is town, and doesn’t die today, then caring about this game is pointless because no matter what I do, people physically can’t understand what I say.

I don’t think it’s that simple. I forget how next level I am sometimes.

[Flavor Leaf]

So if Gamma is town we lose by not shooting him?

Isn't that the same damn logic we are using for NM??

No, because I can defend NM longer, especially with Gamma out of the way. NM can get Conf towned if he is town, Gamma can’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

I hard hard hard disagree that it’s town motivated.

Town are sheep, and as scum, I can get any town to do exactly what I want them to do. That’s another reason that proves NM is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

think Gamma can be scum. So do a lot of townies. Push him tomorrow. But you acting like Gamma can't be targetted tomorrow and NM has to be saved now is really pinging me the wrong way.

I don’t care about pinging you the wrong way, I’m town, and if I lose this game, it is absolutely not my fault.

Like usually I’ll be able to take it as a group thing, but I’ve played well, and have good reads. Just because most town players are sheep is why I lose here.

I’ve tricked townies way too many times over and over and over, I know what a misfade looks like.

Also considering Ampharos isn’t from this site, it also pushes that over the edge even more, because they have extremely solid scum play, but it’s incredibly generic. That is an off site scum tell.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want Not Mafia alive. That’s why. Not Mafia is someone I believe will in the end help towards a town victory based on being able to be alive and cleared.

At this point, I’m even rethinking Hayasaka town because their posts and logic and selective reading is atrocious.

[Flavor Leaf]

And pinging you the wrong way is because I’m being a dick, don’t get a twisted

[Flavor Leaf]

The problem is you can't refute why NM is town even if I myself believe this isn't NM's town game

Surface level thinking.

Just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I find one Not Mafia town game where he posts like this, you don’t shoot him then, deal.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your whole logic on shooting Gamma is predicated on your non confidence in reading him.

Ironically, isn't that everyone's contention with NM?

Plus this whole AtE shtick on "Man fuck you guys, I any losing because of you" is giving me major Radiant Cowbell scum game vibes.

Yeah sure townies get manipulated. The problem here is that insisting that is the case without the adequate support for the argument is ironically trying and failing to do the same thing.

You don't win mafia by being all "I'm fucking right and anyone who disagrees is a fucking moron".

I’ve given reasons. Just because you can’t understand them, doesn’t make them true.

I’ll look for a NM town game, and then start spelling it out for kindergarteners, I guess.

But that’s also difficult because some subject manner isn’t meant for kindergarterners.

[Flavor Leaf]

I misspelled the second one lol

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, because I've played against Town NM. Town NM got me and my scumbuddy eliminated and was spot on the third one had he not fakeclaimed and won it for us.

Town NM is useful despite his posting style as of Day 1.

This NM? Day 2 and he disappears after being the primary venge target. Tell me how that's useful

I’ve played with Not Mafia for years and years now, both alignments. You’re acting like I don’t know him at all, when I 100% know him better than anyone else in this game

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor leaf, you can fuck right off. Being an arrogant dick doesn't win you mafia

Disagree.

[Flavor Leaf]

I work Market Knowledge on the biggest multinational fast moving consumer goods company. But sure, I have the intellect of a kindergartner for not agreeing with you.

FOH with that arrogance

Just shoot Not Mafia.

I don’t care anymore.

I might leave site again, I forgot how worked up being Town on this site gets me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me solving with heavy analysis gets me shit too. I solve games left and right as town, but even when I’m the most likable ever, means nothing.

Being a heel on Mafiascum is far superior.

[Flavor Leaf]

I hope to god I’m fucking right on Not Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

NM is fadeable. If Not Mafia isn’t venged, they will go down still.

Ampharos red flip also would effectively clear both myself and NM.

It would clear you but not NW but nevertheless an extremely silly reason to fade her. You can clear yourself when you paraphrase comments from Pooky tomorrow. Anyone who has any familiarity with Pooky whatsoever will be able to tell if you’re bluffing or not.

~M

Yeah, if that happens, I’ll probably end up with a correct solve, but get misfaded.
@FL, just out of curiosity, what are you going to say if we flip Amy and she’s town? Have you even considered the possibility that you could be wrong on her?

What does worry me the most about Gamma is that he doesn’t have me higher on his readslist. FL confirmed my role is real duh! so how tf am I not locktown for you? Unless you have me lower on your list to reduce my NK equity, I’m really not liking that very much and it’s definitely concerning me.

@Gamma

~M

[Flavor Leaf]

Woah, Idk what happened there. I think my response is in the quote, but I’m out and about, so i can’t fix it now

[Flavor Leaf]

I have to think.

Fair warning, I’m going VLA from Saturday to Thursday.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pooky thinks I’m jester. I was wrong about DnD being in my medium.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy, Gamma got a clear?

[Flavor Leaf]

It's funny how FL accidently saved the town.
I tracked Amy to Tris.

Someone think about that for me before I gladiate

Everything I do for town I do on purpose, even if I can’t explain why.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia isn’t in there because he got Venged.

DrP lectured me a little bit about being a dick, but stated he still thinks Gamma is town based on tone and doesn’t like me pushing through wagons with an “I’m right you’re wrong” mindset. He doesn’t know who scum is.

[Flavor Leaf]

It wasn’t like a poppin’ thread, i doubt Pooky will actually do anything more, definitely didn’t keep up with the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be Tris/Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

Tris/Jjh
Jjh/Gamma

That’s where I’m at right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think today we go Tris.

I might have to look over some of my town reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy, Gamma got a clear?

Yes. So he’s either town or he did a self-directed bus drive. If he actually is town, I’ll have some post-redacting to do from our hydra PT post-game.

~M

NAR question here.

Let's say Gamma was RB'd and did a self-directed bus drive... how would that resolve?

Block comes first

[Flavor Leaf]

I read it like Amy made all actions from Tris go to her.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I said, I’m going to be

VLA until Thursday

I might have some time to post here and there.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I was busdriven off of Amy my pm wouldn't state "Amy went to Tris"'
It would say "JJH went to Tris"
If Tris was bus driven and Amy redirected someone else.
It would say "Amy went to JJH"

I think it's just a guilty unless scum shot Amy, which is stupid play.

This is interesting because I never say things like this as a result.

I usually go

“You targeted “player X” and saw “player Y”

[Flavor Leaf]

You have an inno on Gamma right now correct?
Which means Gamma couldn't have bus driven either Tris or Amy with himself.

Which means either my result on Amy and Tris is truthful as it wasn't interfered with.
OR your result on Gamma is truthful in which case I can act based on his proclaimed bus drive targets.

I mean, ScumGamma would just lie, so I don’t get this train of thought.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I was busdriven off of Amy my pm wouldn't state "Amy went to Tris"'
It would say "JJH went to Tris"
If Tris was bus driven and Amy redirected someone else.
It would say "Amy went to JJH"

I think it's just a guilty unless scum shot Amy, which is stupid play.

This is interesting because I never say things like this as a result.

I usually go

“You targeted “player X” and saw “player Y”

Bus driver might be different, I guess, but if you targeted Amy, and say Amy/Jjh were bus driven, it still should push back the result “You targeted Amy and saw Tris.” Because you didn’t target Jjh.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see scum killing Ampharos to make me look worse, which does incriminate both Gamma and Tris. Someone pushing a town read on me might have done it specifically so the rest of the game would push at me.

[Flavor Leaf]

You have an inno on Gamma right now correct?
Which means Gamma couldn't have bus driven either Tris or Amy with himself.

Which means either my result on Amy and Tris is truthful as it wasn't interfered with.
OR your result on Gamma is truthful in which case I can act based on his proclaimed bus drive targets.

I mean, ScumGamma would just lie, so I don’t get this train of thought.

If it's scum Gamma then he has to bus drive himself with someone without a hood to turn up innocent.
In which case he couldn't have targeted either Amy or Tris.

Gamma being inno'd here sort of breaks this open.

Yes, he has to physically do that, but he doesn’t have to tell scum.

And traitor ruins all of that logic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to point out that ScumKD, ScumHayasaka, and ScumVMP all have reason to kill Ampharos last night

[Flavor Leaf]

While I townread all those slots individually yesterday, The Not Mafia stuff was distracting, so I’m doing a complete reset.

That being said, I think Nancy is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Haya / do you have any scum games?

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean Amy was just town by play pretty much the entire time.
I only targeted her to defend her, a track in this game state was never definitive lol.

Then why did you track her?

[Flavor Leaf]

It seems too convenient that you town read Amy and tracked her

[Flavor Leaf]

@VMP - I think Master Strategist over MoB.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I'd give good odds on the second scum being FL considering he's pushing two separate and mutually exclusive angles against this being a guilty, and appears to have misrepresented his role COMPLETELY

Yeah, probably.

[Flavor Leaf]

Same thing I do every game, though, let’s be honest lol

[Flavor Leaf]

FL-

I recall you were pushing for Amy to be the venge because you'd end up with her in your PT. How is it now the case that venge targets do not end up in your PT?

She was my 2nd vote Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean Amy was just town by play pretty much the entire time.
I only targeted her to defend her, a track in this game state was never definitive lol.

Then why did you track her?

Because you spent the entire phase calling everyone bad and saying Amy was scum. The action had 2 purposes, I wanted to give you a chance and I wanted to use a non definitive result to give me fuel to protect Amy.

Fair point

[Flavor Leaf]

@Jjh - I’m pushing other angles, but you are completely missing that I stated Tris most likely scum already.

I’m not gonna sit here and talk about it more when if Tris dies, I’m more than likely dying tonight.

It’s more of a if Tris isn’t scum insurance policy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no idea what you're on about

But w/e

The person who ends the day with my 2nd vote each day gets access to my medium. I explained this when I claimed, and was why I was trying to get Ampharos Venged because I had already voted them to end Day 1.

It’s why I had to vote No Fade yesterday for my first vote, so my second vote was on DrP.

Like you’re just the one misunderstanding the role here. Everyone else understood.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oooh yeah wow I missed that
I've missed a lot here mechanically tbh

You’ve been in and out. Yesterday was a blah fest, it’s fine

[Flavor Leaf]

How did you get Pooky then?

He was night killed.

Night kills go into my medium too.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Tris flips scum, I called it day 1 and you guys turned me against it

[Flavor Leaf]

i really think not_mafia is scum, i don't agree with flavor's points

You’re a surface level player then

You’re a surface level player then

Or scum

Just kill Tris.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your performance in a game of mafia is measured over the whole course of the game rather than just the highlights with hindsight

Hey, called it 2 for 2.

And I was right about Not Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not saying I did well, I’m just happy i got it right early game.

I was mostly kidding.

My playful arrogance is an act because while I am the shit, I’m still shit.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean Amy flipped town so more like 2 for 3.

Thought I accidentally saved town nanner nanner

[Flavor Leaf]

What does FLs 1st vote do again? RB?

Yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

tris: i don't consider my own point to be particularly strong or worth pursuing with jjh not here to begin with, but i appreciate you engaging it in an honest way.

thank you. you seem like you'll be pleasant to work with even if you are actually mafia.

i like to question people to discover how they are thinking. that's more important than if they're right or wrong.

Ugh, I feel a tunnel coming, but tris is screaming scum.

@Tris - do you remember any games we've played together off the top of your head? I remember one, but I think I replaced out because I left site.

[Flavor Leaf]

KD/BEF could be scum if Gamma or Tris is town. I feel highly likely they’re gonna bus, though.

I looked back, and my Tris read got protected by Ampharos which caused my Ampharos tunnel, and Tris disappeared at that time.

Remember, KD disappeared end of Day 1 when DnD got ran up.

Jjh going back and forth on me could be scum indicative.

Nancy is town.

If Tris flips town, I’m going after Hayasaka if I’m here, so if I die, do not let them sweep.

[Flavor Leaf]

They’re a gladiator tracker claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Hypothetically, what would y’all say if I said I was a Jester who won by getting faded Day4+? If 2 scum only, and Tris is last scum, i would lose in that scenario.

Completely hypothetical.

[Flavor Leaf]

@JJH - you’d have died like Night 1 if I were scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

My role has anti synergy with FL's role which made me not question Tris role since we could just be a game of roles that hurt other roles.
But Tris literally has the counter to the town cop.

Which another thing to keep in mind.

I think that’s kind of the point.

I’m not sure if No Fade was thought about in design phase, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can roleblock whichever we don’t fade today.

[Flavor Leaf]

So if any of you guys die, Tris = automatically 100% confirmed scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Seems convenient.

Might be true regardless of alignment.

Idk why it wasn’t claimed yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

Arcana Cop
Tracker/Gladiator
Self redirector
Neighbor protector
Bus driver
Double voter
Jjh’s pick arcana role
TA Coroner

Yeah, idk what to make sense of the setup no matter what

[Flavor Leaf]

Vengeful self watcher
Whatever NM was
Whatever DnD was

[Flavor Leaf]

Then whatever KD and BEF is, and that’s the setup.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, did Gamma just do the italicized word scum tell? Haven’t seen that in ages.

[Flavor Leaf]

Venus
Haya
Jjh
BEF
KD
Gamma
Tris

Is where I’m at.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it’s something you wouldn’t do as scum, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t feel like dealing with potential NancyScum right now, Gamma.

If Nancy is scum, that’s a conversation for late late game.

I will literally always go you over her here, if that’s what you’re trying to push

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I will say, there is a case to be made for ScumNancy, and if scum, she’s played well here, and I don’t think it’s outside of her scum range, but I haven’t really experienced scum her too much, but despite that, I think her play has been town indicative.

[Flavor Leaf]

My role pm literally says “Strong willer” so yeah, Maria’s not using proper stuff for everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

if we are killing Gamma, then Hayasaka should Gladiate there so they can track and stay alive based on Tris’ protection claim because roleblocking Tris would just give a reason for Haya/Venus to be killed through protection.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think outside people should give analysis/reads on situations.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s essentially a hydra slot

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I said, I don’t scum read you. I’m essentially letting you run the game because your reads are aligning nicely with mine, and I’m gonna be gone/extremely limited for a week.

If you’re scum, you’ll have to deal with my analysis late game if it comes down to it because I’ll reanalyze every slot. I don’t really expect you as scum to take me into the end game anyways, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t feel like dealing with potential NancyScum right now, Gamma.

If Nancy is scum, that’s a conversation for late late game.

I will literally always go you over her here, if that’s what you’re trying to push

Town!Gamma would be hard tr me here and making cases why I’m wrong.

~M

Except I’ve tried pointing out how you’re wrong and you seem to not be willing to listen. So at the very least I don’t regard you as any level of helpful. I’m sorry if this hurts your feelings but I’m tired of being deathtunneled just like you’re tired of being “gaslighted”.

Hya claims a guilty on Tris, yet you’re pushing me? Yeah 100% townie behaviour.

~M

Soft guilty.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, i just wanted to feel like Oscar when he says “State Senator” everytime Angela just says Senator from the office.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lying

This is why you aren’t a conf town read for me Haya.

You miss like very obvious information and it comes off as fake.

Tris/Haya would be a funny team

[Flavor Leaf]

For what it’s worth, I would shoot Ampharos as scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, not with JJH still alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just have this weird gut feeling Haya’s scum and the scum team is going all in to make her as townie as she possibly can be, and the more “obv town” she starts to become the scummier I feel about her.

Also makes sense with why I town read Ampharos, and every time I did anything, they came at me ignoring obvious information.

This is tinfoil.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why? I feel Ampharos was being town read heavily, i don’t understand why people think they weren’t going to get killed?

[Flavor Leaf]

If Gamma is claiming Odd night.
Can someone explain to me the outcome he comes up both inno here and Tris is scum.

Please do not use the following statement "scum shot Amy" in that explanation.

Why can’t scum have shot Ampharos?

I don’t understand. They were likely the top town read and the person I was pushing.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’m missing something

[Flavor Leaf]

Like more what I am communicating is, I think it should always be Tris.
And most of the time also be Gamma.

What target makes Gamma both clear and Tris inno?
I think none idk.

I think Gamma self redirected to a town.
And I saw 2 people who didn't interact with each other.

If Gamma bounced with Amy my track would see Gamma and I would see 2 targets.

Why does gamma have to have interacted with them at all?

[Flavor Leaf]

So there’s 8 people right? If Hayasaka is scum pulling a gambit, they will win from it.

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I didn’t want to say it yesterday, but in no world did I think VMP was actually going to be shot at.

There aren’t enough roles claimed yet, and if there’s a protective on town, then by no means was VMP going to be shot at.

You are omitting details almost purposefully, I feel.

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Like more what I am communicating is, I think it should always be Tris.
And most of the time also be Gamma.

What target makes Gamma both clear and Tris inno?
I think none idk.

I think Gamma self redirected to a town.
And I saw 2 people who didn't interact with each other.

If Gamma bounced with Amy my track would see Gamma and I would see 2 targets.

I literally claimed a modifier that DIDN’T ALLOW ME to act last night
Are you saying I’m lying? Because I said why lying made no sense, my role has similar function to Amphy’s, and odd-night means whenever I can’t act she can and vice versa.

@Gamma they’re actually doing the opposite. They think there’s no chance you are lying, and I don’t like that at all.

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Why does gamma have to have interacted with them at all?

Gamma is clear via the cop role?
Or am I wrong on that.

He easily could have bus driven themselves onto one of the others. I don’t know why you’re straight up believing Odd-Night.

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The fact that odd night got claimed after the even night flip and that Gamma was late to this party makes me feel Gamma is scum, possibly with Hayasaka.

Hayasaka came back after Gamma was getting hit by us.

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I literally claimed a modifier that DIDN’T ALLOW ME to act last night
Are you saying I’m lying? Because I said why lying made no sense, my role has similar function to Amphy’s, and odd-night means whenever I can’t act she can and vice versa.

I am saying whether or not you are lying Tris is scum so I don't care?
Why are you offended I am considering both worlds lol.

How? Even if Tris is scum, Ampharos being shot at isn’t out of the question.

I would say if you’re town, Tris is about 70% scum.

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Like you keep saying I am missing obvious mechanics.
But you aren't spelling out to me the world in which my result happens with a scum gamma.

And I am spelling out to you how it doesn't happen.

No you are not. You are actively ignoring the fact that Ampharos could have just been shot and killed.

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Ampharos, if town, was exactly who I expected to be night killed because they already were gonna have access into my medium.

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No you are not. You are actively ignoring the fact that Ampharos could have just been shot and killed.

You're right scum don't kill cops, they kill neighbors....

The cop is dead. Nancy is a TA who claimed their target in advance

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Like how is Tris being framed I guess?
The only arguments you are laying out is Gamma is scum lying.

But then my result isn't interfered with.

I am not saying Gamma is clear I am saying Tris is scum regardless of Gamma's alignment since his bus drive was tied up defending himself.

I don’t think your result is interfered with. Ampharos probably targeted Tris.

Why does that confirm Tris?

Scum could have just been shooting at Ampharos.

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I’m arguing semantics here, I know, and by no means do I ever feel Tris should live past Day 4, but the fact Hayasaka is saying all this and completely ignoring facts is concerning.

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I mean whatever I guess?
I feel like you are being contrarian because you can given you have scum read Tris literally all game.

And I don't feel like arguing why scum would shoot the claimed power of the neighbor further because apparently scum in your game think they can beat roles with day play.

Ampharos was a claimed Even-Night PR and the most town read player in the game with a lot of town leader qualities.

In what world are they are wtf kill

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I mean whatever I guess?
I feel like you are being contrarian because you can given you have scum read Tris literally all game.

And I don't feel like arguing why scum would shoot the claimed power of the neighbor further because apparently scum in your game think they can beat roles with day play.

Ampharos was a claimed Even-Night PR and the most town read player in the game with a lot of town leader qualities.

In what world are they are wtf kill

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VOTE: 1 Hayasaka
VOTE: 2 Hayasaka

This is scum.

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Why? I feel Ampharos was being town read heavily, i don’t understand why people think they weren’t going to get killed?

If Gamma is claiming Odd night.
Can someone explain to me the outcome he comes up both inno here and Tris is scum.

Please do not use the following statement "scum shot Amy" in that explanation.

Why can’t scum have shot Ampharos?

I don’t understand. They were likely the top town read and the person I was pushing.

I tr them but they were not even close to my top town reads: They were KD, BEF, Hya and jjh > Amy. I even asked Tris not to reveal anything I posted there to Amy because I was still slightly paranoid of her, especially after Tris told me that she claimed Lovers first and of course you were in my head with Gampharous, which confitms why I thought they didn’t make sense as buddies.

But we know what she flipped and scum!Tris would have to be insane to directly target her, so I really don’t understand how you’re arriving at that conclusion that it wasn’t literally her role and NA that got her killed. She made more than a few posts expressing her suspicions on Tris, so I think it fits.

The only thing I’m still confused on how does Hya know it’s impossible that Gamma didn’t BD her. I know you’ve already explained that @Hya but you you explain how that’s impossible? Thanks.

~M

This is not what I’m questioning at all.

Ampharos targeted Tris, this is fine.

Hypothetical ScumKD killing Ampharos is a possibility (among others, KD just came to my head first)

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What am I missing here?

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I feel like Hayasaka is purposefully omitting details, and if Tris flips scum, the reasons can just magically be understood.

I want them understood before this day ends.

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If tris flips town*

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Hayasaka claims Ampharos targeted Tris.

Gamma is claiming No Action.

So we know all Tris actions went to Ampharos.

KD, Myself, Gamma, Nancy, Jjh, killing Ampharos, effectively the town leader since you guys weren’t listening to me, and highest town reads besides like me makes it so Tris isn’t confirmed scum. Likely scum, fine, not confirmed scum, and the omitting of this fact, is why I believe Hayasaka is scum.

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I didn’t want to say it yesterday, but in no world did I think VMP was actually going to be shot at.

There aren’t enough roles claimed yet, and if there’s a protective on town, then by no means was VMP going to be shot at.

You are omitting details almost purposefully, I feel.

Why not? Our role wasn’t worthless with NM townflip? Or because I said you needed dead us to confirm your role?

We’ll never know because of Amy’s NA but we do know she was sr Tris so I really don’t understand why you’re doubting Hya’s claim? Also Dunn’s reaction to my asking if Tris had already submitted her “I do” really made no sense and why does Tris have a confirmation of that but we don’t?

Unless Gamma actually did BD Tris, it does fit based off of Amy’s ISO.

~M

Nah, Gamma, if scum, would have had to BD themselves onto KD/JJH/BEF/You.

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I’m NOT doubting AMY’S night action.

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If I die tonight, kill Hayasaka.

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VMP you did target Gamma last night right?

Apparently they did but have come up with the BS idea that I “didn’t post in the scum PT” last night which is absolutely idiotic given what I enjoy about this game nowadays

You knew I was going to TA you. Literally, I claimed that multiple times.

~M

This is exactly why you never would have been killed if Gamma was scum.

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You basically have Gamma the option to be cleared.

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Like, I’m saying this one the most basic surface level I can.

Why is everyone considering Ampharos night kill not a possibility?

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I’m also pissed Gamma went to Tris after I explained why it isn’t a positive confirmation.

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Don’t come crying to me if Tris flips green.

@Gamma - if you are town, you better be bus driving me tonight

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Like, I’m saying this one the most basic surface level I can.

Why is everyone considering Ampharos night kill not a possibility?

Amphy NK was possible
But it points to the same suspects as if it wasn’t and the same suspects we already have (me and tris)
So it’s not worth worrying about.

It points to KD/Hayasaka/BEF/Jjh/Tris

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Thinking TrisScum kills Ampharos is surface level play.

The only way TrisScum kills Ampharos is if they successfully self directed them onto them.

Ampharos death 50% implies Tris DIDNT kill them.

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Fuck this.

One fucking read doesn’t erase the game.

You all were fucking wrong on Not Mafia

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I’m a fucking Jester coming from a completely unbiased POV. I’m going on VLA this week and probably won’t be back until Thursday.

Do whatever you want, but don’t @Me because of a fucking incorrect read on Day fucking 2.

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You guys just can’t comprehend simple logic

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Like, Nancy, the reading comprehension is rough. You argue the completely wrong point so many times.

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Also, Gamma is probably town, tris is probably scum.

I’m still right, and that’s worth more to me.

I’m not winning this game.

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Like, I’m saying this one the most basic surface level I can.

Why is everyone considering Ampharos night kill not a possibility?

No one knew her role. If it weren’t for that, maybe but her role is real and she made several posts claiming she was becoming increasingly suspicious of Tris. I just don’t see how that doesn’t make more sense to you than Amy was the target.

And Amy kill in no way clears Gamma, because Amy was freaking self-redirector ffs.

~M

What does this have to do with anything?

Hypothetical ScumKD killing Ampharos absolutely doesn’t need to know their role for it to work out the way it did.

I don’t believe scum was smart enough here to know this beforehand.

If Hayasaka is scum, they came up with it after they saw the flip.

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IM LITERALLY ARGUING THAT AMPHAROS WAS THE TARGET

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I don’t care anymore.

This will be my last game here for a while. I don’t like getting aggro like that, and I’m just increasingly busier in real life than I used to be.

I’m directing 3 projects this upcoming week, so I’m just aggro.

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I was fake tunneling Ampharos, so you can stop using that poor reasoning to try to discredit me

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I don’t care

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I’m a Jester who wins by getting faded Day 4 or after. Everything else about my role’s the same, but the Medium is told I’m a Jester.

I’m going to win the game as Jester who claimed Jester like I always said I would.

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And because of this, I’m still confirmed correct with my analysis, and you can’t throw that Ampharos read terribly in my face.

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So as my final decree for the time being in regards to this site, you can all know

The Flavor was right.

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@Nancy - fade me tomorrow, not today, and accept the fact I was correct in a humorous moment way

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@JJH - Confirm me as the Fool tonight.

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Same, because people acting like my logic doesn’t make sense when if I am anything in this game, it is having accurate logic.

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You know what the easiest thing would be to win this game as Jester would be

VOTE: 2 Venus/Mars

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Your logic is still wrong in that last post.

There’s worlds where neither Gamma or Tris is scum.

Kamane Date and BEF team killing Ampharos is just one of the possibilities.

It’s been killing me holding all the stuff back because I was setting up to get killed later

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JJH can confirm me as the Fool as well.

I want to be confirmed Fool and for you guys to kill me.

I guarantee you, I’m going to win this game without even trying

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Reading comprehension, you’re literally on the top of my town reads list.

This is another reason I have absolutely no clue why you go like that.

I’m LITERALLY saying you’re my top town read, and if by any means you ever think I am scum here, you’d have to be absolutely ridiculous to think I’d ever come after you in the position I was in gamestate wise.

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Jokes on you, I’ve won 3 duncie awards already

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I’m the greatest village idiot of all time and proud of it.

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I don't understand my role just btw everyone

Townie af.

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I’m kinda over here eating popcorn but like imo the final vote should be tris or me today

Shut up, Townie!

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That was for comedic effect, don’t mean to offend with that.

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Reading comprehension, you’re literally on the top of my town reads list.

This is another reason I have absolutely no clue why you go like that.

I’m LITERALLY saying you’re my top town read, and if by any means you ever think I am scum here, you’d have to be absolutely ridiculous to think I’d ever come after you in the position I was in gamestate wise.

I goddamned should be in your top town list, so wtf’s up with the two votes on us then?

No I still don’t tr Gamma because he’s played with me enough as both alignments to know I’m never scum here, so I legit think his push on me was scum motivated.

And I will lord it over all of you post-game if I’m right about that.

~M

Oh, because that’s gonna get you to Fade me tomorrow.

And you only got one vote, you’re just vote #2.

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Being told to shut up isn’t really offensive imo? Like there’s a whole bunch of “silence boomer” and other similar memes, I think if that was offensive those wouldn’t be as prevalent

I didn’t mean the shut up, I just wanted to say it.

I don’t tell people to shut up, it would be a bit hypocritical, and I may be an arrogant sociopathic condescending dick, but i ain’t no sycophant ignoramus and I don’t say shut up

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Reading comprehension, you’re literally on the top of my town reads list.

This is another reason I have absolutely no clue why you go like that.

I’m LITERALLY saying you’re my top town read, and if by any means you ever think I am scum here, you’d have to be absolutely ridiculous to think I’d ever come after you in the position I was in gamestate wise.

I goddamned should be in your top town list, so wtf’s up with the two votes on us then?

No I still don’t tr Gamma because he’s played with me enough as both alignments to know I’m never scum here, so I legit think his push on me was scum motivated.

And I will lord it over all of you post-game if I’m right about that.

~M

Doesn’t matter if you’re right about that if I win.

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Hayasaka will Gladiate me tomorrow, and I will win.

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My first vote is roleblock.

You’re getting will boosted

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Cuz I play with gamestate when I’m bored.

Tris is scum, look at their opportunistic vote.

I’m still right on the logic earlier.

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I just outed Tris as scum is all.

Ignore the last couple pages besides that.

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I’m just annoyed on the semantics of it all.

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My first vote is roleblock.

You’re getting will boosted

I don’t understand. Are you saying my role will actually be useful tonight?

I forgot what that means - “will boosted”?

~M

Sorry, “strong willer”

You wouldn’t be able to be redirected or anything with that second vote on you.

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So what we doing? Let’s end the day so I have time to talk to the people. I won’t have time later this week if the day ends.

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Expect me more limited tomorrow, probably completely unavailable Monday-Wednesday, might be available Thursday.

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hold on, i'd rather not end the day here, it just started. did something happen?

Tris got soft guiltied, they acting like it’s a hard guilty, and I got tilted trying to explain why it’s a soft not a hard, even though I have Tris as scum.

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cool. i'm catching up on the day's events now. i saw Hayasaka's claim, but it was "saw Amy visiting Tris" so i didn't understand it. did he mean the reverse?

also: if you could have someone's alignment revealed right now, who would you pick?

Gamma

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hold on, i'd rather not end the day here, it just started. did something happen?

Tris got soft guiltied, they acting like it’s a hard guilty, and I got tilted trying to explain why it’s a soft not a hard, even though I have Tris as scum.

See you have the problem I have a lot of the time where you try to pick at finer details that don’t matter in the broad scale, that got me in trouble a lot at school iirc
It’s fair to question certain things that line up with your own thoughts but getting tilted about probably means the thing I said

I disagree hard it doesn’t matter in a broad scale.

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@KD

Hayasaka tracked Ampharos to Tris. Ampharos makes their target target them at night. Ampharos death soft guilties Tris because if Tris was making a night kill, it would kill Ampharos.

But there are other possibilities. ScumYou, ScumBEF, scumJJH, ScumMe, ScumNancy, ScumGamma, Scum basically anyone could have killed Ampharos and the same results would have happened, and both Hayasaka and Nancy can’t seem to comprehend that.

Gamma claimed Odd-Night Bus Driver, which if they are scum, got them a free Innocent, and Hayasaka is taking that as the low and behold truth, which is why I’m suspicious of Hayasaka, alongside their active omitting of information arguing against me yesterday.

I still think Tris is scum, that’s a more likely situation, but it is by no means confirmed, and if Tris flips town, I don’t want ANYBODY being surprised. I was actively trying to get it acknowledged that there is a chance Tris flips town based on the results, which people were acting like there was zero chance.

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hold on, i'd rather not end the day here, it just started. did something happen?

Tris got soft guiltied, they acting like it’s a hard guilty, and I got tilted trying to explain why it’s a soft not a hard, even though I have Tris as scum.

See you have the problem I have a lot of the time where you try to pick at finer details that don’t matter in the broad scale, that got me in trouble a lot at school iirc
It’s fair to question certain things that line up with your own thoughts but getting tilted about probably means the thing I said

I disagree hard it doesn’t matter in a broad scale.

Okay
But do you have to argue that NOW?

Yes.

It is literally the most important thing in the thread right now.

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Also, I looked back, and Hayasaka was skirting around answering Nancy’s “neighborhood” talk, so I feel there’s a potential that’s fake, and it’s a Hayasaka-Tris gambit going on.

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Hayasaka tracked Ampharos to Tris. Ampharos makes their target target them at night. Ampharos death soft guilties Tris because if Tris was making a night kill, it would kill Ampharos.

But there are other possibilities. ScumYou, ScumBEF, scumJJH, ScumMe, ScumNancy, ScumGamma, Scum basically anyone could have killed Ampharos and the same results would have happened, and both Hayasaka and Nancy can’t seem to comprehend that.

i see, thanks for the explanation. basically, Ampharos could simply have been the nightkill who also happened to target tris, which is why it's a softguilty.

but you'd rather Gamma's alignment flips than Hayasaka's?

Yeah, I’m done with Gamma vs Nancy

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Gamma, that went right over my head, and that was like 2016 when that was a big thing about my Odd-night and Cop claims.


“Boon got away with another Odd-Night Cop claim?” - TellTaleHeart

Hilarious stuff.

Also, Loyal and Disloyal was a phase on site for like a good 2 years, and now nobody uses them.

Also Weak was really huge.

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Oh, the game you were an odd-night loyal cop.

Alright. There’s a lot of odd night, how was I supposed to connect those 2

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I’ve also modded a lot of games.

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Odd night fake claims are so 2016

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1-shot Weak Friendly Neighbors, where the hell is that these days.


Gamma Emerald, FREAKING FIRE EMBLEM HEROES MAFIA

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I’ve played way too much Mafia...

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2019-2020 have been my worst years for playing scum, even though I would say I am vastly superior to where I was before.

I just miss being the underdog.

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What was that game, BooneyToonz 4?

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Shiro, you just didn’t pay attention close enough

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And yes, KD, I have.

I’m VLA now.

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VOTE: Tris

Just so we're clear, this is and has been from the start of the day the only mechanically correct option

I’m on board with this.

Let’s try to time day end with my VLA.

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Not gonna lie, I like Shiro’s fire against me this game

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Yes, BEF rb,

makes Tris 100% guiltied because that proves she couldn’t have been bus driven.

Ok @Gamma, if I’m actually wrong on you, then tell me who is scum? I honestly don’t want to misfade you but based off your play since D2 + doubts about your role + your ridiculous and extremely sketchy attempts to misrep my role, from mpov. who would you think is most logically likely to be scum here?

I honestly want an answer to this because if I’m wrong, you have to give me something to work with here and so far, I’ve come up empty handed.

~M

this is wrong again. same explanation.

Consider my VLA starting tomorrow, so I'll be in and out the rest of the day.

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Yes, BEF rb, makes Tris 100% guiltied because that proves she couldn’t have been bus driven.

well... not quite. if Amy was the nightkill target initially, any scum could have killed her, so tris is not 100% guiltied.

and i agree with FL that it was possible for her to be the kill target. so, softguilty at best. this is why i'm reading now.

oh, nice.

I haven't decided the best course of action for my willboost, but I'll think it over with everything in mind.

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VOTE: 1 Gamma Emerald
VOTE: 2 Tris

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Off chance Tris is town, best to bring her into the medium.

Plus, i can just roleblock Gamma, and if they’re the scum team, it’s gg.