The plan is Drixx protects NeroIn post 10016, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I prefer Tora but unlike Nero, he still has his 1-shot bp, iirc? while Nero has no protection whatsoever.
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Actually this is wrong, Bomb can be activated as a day action, and when you do that it just counts against your next night's superpower usage, so long as you're not negated or hit a negated target that shouldnt matter, Power Echo DOES NOT last into the next day phase like most of the other BS counters scum can have, so that might be viable.In post 10020, Toranaga wrote:that's a smart plan, but there is the risk of echo. scum can echo you at night and dayvig town the next day whenever you trigger. remember echo is night only, but so is the bomb. the bomb can be "triggered" by day, but it's "activated" as a night action. so yeah I think the mechanics are fair, except scum does get to echo.I bloom in spring?
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Not tomorrow, Drixx concern is that if i give bomb to scum, they can just take me out at the start of the next day phase instead of during the night.In post 10023, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Also, as long as we don’t no lynch, Sakura is immune from all killing abilities.
Also im still not sure on the use of the bomb, but if i DO use it, the player that has the superpower will be hidden until tomorrow, so Drixx should still protect Nero, and if scum wants to shoot into the lynchpool to try to hit him then they are helping us thin the lynchpool anyway.I bloom in spring?
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Half right.In post 10027, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So, you’re set on 4 but unsure on a 5th?
Im basically going down via my strength of TRs on the town block, and im unsure on who to put as 5th, i did submit someone, but i kind of idkI bloom in spring?
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Tora as i said yesterday, people with differing opinions encourage discussion, discussion encourages other players to voice their opinions, and other players voicing their opinions helps you find scum. Nero's town, whether he or you is the wrong town, is another story, because town doesnt mean right, I like you guys discussing, but I'd also like if other players would discuss, and specially some of the lynchpool are going like "i wanna bomb coz it's cool" or "i wanna bomb coz i dont feel like playing", which are terrible reasons.I bloom in spring?
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Basiclaly they can echo him at night, but if he doesnt use it during the night then it's pointless, by daybreak, the effect of power echo is gone already, and he can go off on whoever he wants, this makes him unable to use a power next night, but if he dies anyways that doesnt matter, it only matters if he's negated or hits a negated target, coz he still used a power just it didnt work.I bloom in spring?
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A suicide isnt a kill.In post 10038, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Are you referring to Petrification? No, I mean if you pick self-detonate, it’s basically a free vigshot, so long as we get a lynch, because you’re immune to all kills.In post 10015, Sakura Hana wrote:What vig? you mean that BS Janitored Vig that gives us 0 info?I bloom in spring?
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Okay Nancy, there are certain roles that do something called "Suicide" as part of their role.
Suicide Bomber, Desperado, Weak modifier. For example.
Suicide is different from a kill, as that nothing stops a suicide unless a role stops them from doing what causes them to suicide.
A suicide bomber, suicides to kill a player, nothing can prevent the suicide from triggering but protection can prevent the target from dying, short of roleblocking the suicide in the first place.
A desperado suicides if they shoot town, nothing can prevent the suicide from triggering.
A weak role suicides if they target scum, nothing can prevent the suicide from triggering other than preventing them from visiting scum.I bloom in spring?
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Ugh, guys, i do have a strong townread on Nero, i gave u links so you can judge for yourselves, coz i'd feel bad if i am blindly trusted on it and then im wrong, i'd be the one cause of a town loss and then my already low self steem would take an even bigger hit. I dont have self confidence enough to shove down a read through people's throats, but i do give my reasoning so people can judge on their own.I bloom in spring?
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Damn i was hoping my question would've been in the FAQ already.
Regardless apparently self detonation kills both the player and the target, it does not count as a suicide, i think.
A bombing player may well be able to be doctored from dying from it, and it's also possible the presiding leader (me) can vig someone with it.I bloom in spring?
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Now here's an idea.
Nero and Tora run up together for leader and pick self detonate but dont use it (unless Nero wants to blow someone up), whoever gets leader uses it that night as a vig.
I'd ask that he be protected by Drixx but problem is if he uses it then he's vulnerable to the regular night kill.
Then we just cycle the leaders that have self detonate and have a vig every night.I bloom in spring?
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I dont consider myself good at planning in general, I'll think of something but i'd also like for people to pool in their ideas. when the 24 hour clock i gave ends, we will decide on a course of action and then switch to normal scumhunting, if 48 hours after that (i.e 48ish hours left) we cant reach agreement, then we compromise.In post 10144, MathBlade wrote:
I literally put risk here?In post 10143, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh yeah i forgot about dayvig, that addresses my concerns.
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You do realize that if scum has power negate they can still pierce through the protection regardless? Power negate does prevent powers from being used on your target too you know.In post 10276, Sando wrote:
Yeah exactly, but we're apparently suggesting two people without BP? So Drixx protecting one and getting negated = no protection, and Drixx protecting both with echo+doc and getting negated = no protection. Same result is my point.In post 10273, MathBlade wrote:It’s mainly if Drixx gets negated then neither protection goes through if I understand it correct. Echo wouldn’t fire as there would be no power to hit.
Also if Drixx is scum (again low chance) Nancy could end up copying mod knows what factional ability into those two.
You do make a good point about Drixx-scum doubling up a power on them. It's only powers though yeah? Petrification seems like the only dangerous one to get doubled up, maybe freezing but meh.
The only ppl that have so far claimed to have a protection AND SS are me and ausuka (as per FA) as far as im aware.I bloom in spring?
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You can take one super power and use another one, you already own, SS can be used together with another superpower
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This is correctIn post 10409, Toranaga wrote:your sui usage, if used at day, will count against your power usage for that cycle (d6-n6), while your BP counts for this cycle (d5-n5) if you use it at nightI bloom in spring?
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Yeah i agree
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You use BP during the night and it lasts into the next day phase, during that day phase you're still protected unless someone hit your BP since it only protects towards 1 kill and will be able to use the bomb without dying.In post 10463, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes, SS but not bp. bp can only be used in one cycle.I bloom in spring?
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How caught up are you?In post 10470, Gamma Emerald wrote:so uhh what are we trying to do here?I bloom in spring?
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In post 10515, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I didn’t really understand it at the time. I guess had I used it on Cerh instezd of Muffin, I would have died in his place.In post 10509, Toranaga wrote:btw you have... siren's call? why?
I dont understand what's so confusing about this you act as lightning rod towards your target's actions.In post 1058, The Dream Weaver wrote:Siren's Call:Target another player. That player's actions will be redirected to target you instead of their original target until the next Night Phase.I bloom in spring?
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Ok so, first of all, why would someone Power Negate specifically drixx, using PN on ur target already voids any super powers used on them and can kill them anyway, this would also prevent them from being targeted by Drixx (although Drixx's power woul still go off).I bloom in spring?
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And third, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Siren's Call doesnt redirect actions targeting your target, it redirect's your target's actions, do NOT use it on Drixx or you'll redirect the doctor towards yourself, if u want to draw a kill towards yourself use it on whoever scum you think is submitting the kill.I bloom in spring?
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In post 2839, zMuffinMan wrote:actually, i will say that anyone who likes interaction analysis should be able to tell that there is most likely at least one (maybe only one) scum between mylo/rando. his thoughts about lurkers (primarily) were too deliberate for him to be calling out town playersmylo/rando
i don't really feel like going into any depth on this and i really dont care if anyone disagrees but 934, 1099 and the placements in 1387 are a good start for anyone interested in thinking about that (1099 in particular, the other two posts are mostly complementary)
and if you think mathblade is town, well then draw the obvious conclusion
HmmmIn post 6959, zMuffinMan wrote:{CREATURE,STUNGUN,DRIXX,WHOEVER THE FUCK ELSE IM FORGETTING MAYBE GAMMA}I bloom in spring?
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Oh yeah, for anyone that wants even MORE nero scum meta This game just finished today, in fact it's thanks to that game that I learned about Nero's town/scum meta in the first place.I bloom in spring?
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It's math.In post 10659, Toranaga wrote:talk to us, sakura san
Idk, but that engagement with you where he yelled at you and started making all these theories about scum having like factional roleblock and what not felt a little... idk... weird. To the point that i felt like "Why does math complain about people going against town and THEN he goes against the town specially by spreading paranoia about Tora".
It's scaring me.
And then I remembered that muffin made that post about mylo/rando where he said that due to numbers scum meta, it's highly likely one of the 2 is scum and mylo flipped town, rando was math's predecessor.
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Im mostly scared about making a mistake, a big mistake.
Ngl, tho when that engagement happened my first thought is "oh fuck math is scum".
My gut is still going like crazy, but if im wrong then im just killing someone on the townbloc out of sheer paranoia, so i want others to check in on my thoughts.I bloom in spring?
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OTOH if Math is scum here im not sure exactly what kind of game he's playing coz a lot of the mechanical stuff has been kinda anti scum. Math himself hasnt been able to use any powers due to using precog, so why did scum not kill him N3? Why did scum let me live N4 if Math didnt gave power to stun and instead someone else? Was it because of my 100% using SS BP statement?
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That is true, but if we force him to use precog he cant use any powers during the night.In post 10682, Toranaga wrote:math was leader and has like 3 different powers
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Ok i guess time is running low so im reposting thisIn post 10399, Sakura Hana wrote:You can take one super power and use another one, you already own, SS can be used together with another superpower
Nero: Ausuka, Sakura, Tora, Nancy
Ausuka: Nero, Creature, Drixx, Gamma, hebichan, Kokichi, Math, Nosferatu, Sando, Theta, TW. (Just remove whoever gets lynched)
I kind of want Nero to be main, because that might remove attention towards trying to kill Tora.
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That's easy, paranoiaIn post 10760, Drixx wrote:I'm trying to figure out how Math went from lock town to leashed precog.I bloom in spring?
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@Tora: As I saw the deadline in the VC I saw hebi was being prodded so I voted her.
I'm tired of talking about mechanics over scumhunting, but then again this entire game is tiring me, yesterday I spent so much not voting so that we could've everything in order for today that I never voted the entire day phase.
I've been trying to set up deadlines for mechanic talk and planning so that this doesnt happen again, we're already at 2ish days remaining and we still haven't finished planning, I guess you need 5ish irl days to discuss plans for the night phase?
I still havent said whether ill vig someone tonight or not, imagine if scum has Power Echo, remember this isnt the first time it has come up, the mod also never answered my question. I could go goo generation instead (which would catch said scum).I bloom in spring?
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