Open 680.1 C9++ | Endgame

[FireScreamer]

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Well then there's a shot

[FireScreamer]

Just a shot? You are basing your whole read on that and i'm telling you I can at least prove its NAI and you are telling me theres a SHOT?

[Gamma Emerald]

I might spot some difference in behavior.

[FireScreamer]

Regardless I will be able to show you

1. Scum behaviour leading to a wagon leading to a claim
2. The claim post
3. A tonal shift after the claim post involving"Shaping up"

[FireScreamer]

Heck I can even make the scum behaviour in 1 being tunneling townread players with no reasoning.

[Alchemist21]

I'm starting to think Rory's just like this. Not scumreading him as much now.

What do you mean "like this"?

Your posts came off as not being genuine to me and a couple others, but I'm starting to think I just thought that because most of them are fairly short and don't say much.

[Alchemist21]

You are willing to wash away pages of drivel because he formatted a post correctly? This turns a scumread into a townread that you are willing to trust implicitly when wagoning someone else?

Formatting means jack. Thanks for completely misrepping what I said.

I have no incentive to overtly misrep what you say. Everyone is reading the same thread. Maybe this is a misunderstanding. Tell me again what you like about the post?

I like the way he laid out his points of discussion. It suggests town that is doubling down.

I see "The way he laid out" as meaning the formatting of the post. You arn't really talking about the content at all. Why does that suggest town is doubling down? Define doubling down.

It's like the organization. For some reason words are failing me.
Doubling down means to focus your efforts. It feels like town doubling down since he was in trouble and he shaped up.

Ok I'm fine with voting this.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Talk about scum failing under pressure - Gamma's failing to come up with an actual reason to Townread Comm here.

[ThinkBig]

VOTE COUNT

FireScreamer

(4): FrankJaeger, CommKnight, Titus, Brian Skies

Gamma Emerald

(4): Narna, FireScreamer, Umlaut, Alchemist21

Alchemist21

(2): Green Crayons, shannon

Titus

(1): davesaz

CommKnight

(1): RoryMK

Not Voting

(1): Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

[Umlaut]

CommKnight, can you articulate why your read on me is softening?

[Umlaut]

Brian, what are your feelings on Titus' play? I'm not necessarily asking for a read, just whether you find it pro-town or think you understand her motivations.

[Titus]

Oh yeah definitely camps here.

[FireScreamer]

Define them as you see them.

[Titus]

VC 1.5

Official Vote Count

Necta

(3): davesaz, Alchemist21, CommKnight

Umlaut

(3): Green Crayons, Narna, FireScreamer

Brian Skies

(1): Titus

Alchemist21

(1): RoryMK

FireScreamer

(1): FrankJaeger

FrankJaeger

(1): shannon

shannon

(1): Umlaut

Not Voting

(2): Brian Skies, Necta

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

VC 1.12

Official Vote Count

CommKnight

(4): Green Crayons, Umlaut, RoryMK, FireScreamer

Green Crayons

(3): Brian Skies, Titus, Narna

FireScreamer

(2): FrankJaeger, CommKnight

FrankJaeger

(1): shannon

Titus

(1): davesaz

RoryMK

(1): Alchemist21

Not Voting

(1): Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

1.14

Official Vote Count

Green Crayons

(4): Brian Skies, Titus, Narna, Alchemist21

CommKnight

(3): Umlaut, RoryMK, FireScreamer

Brian Skies

(2): Green Crayons, Gamma Emerald

FireScreamer

(2): FrankJaeger, CommKnight

Titus

(1): davesaz

FrankJaeger

(1): shannon

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

VC 1.15

Official Vote Count

Green Crayons

(5): Brian Skies, Titus, Narna, Alchemist21, CommKnight

CommKnight

(3): Umlaut, RoryMK, FireScreamer

Brian Skies

(2): Green Crayons, Gamma Emerald

FrankJaeger

(1): shannon

Titus

(1): davesaz

FireScreamer

(1): FrankJaeger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

VC 1.16

-

CommKnight

(5): Umlaut, RoryMK, FireScreamer, Brian Skies, shannon

-- L-2 --

Green Crayons

(4): Titus, Narna, Alchemist21, CommKnight

Titus

(1): davesaz

Alchemist21

(1): Green Crayons

FireScreamer

(1): FrankJaeger

Not Voting

(1): Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

VOTE COUNT

FireScreamer

(4): FrankJaeger, CommKnight, Titus, Brian Skies

Gamma Emerald

(4): Narna, FireScreamer, Umlaut, Alchemist21

Alchemist21

(2): Green Crayons, shannon

Titus

(1): davesaz

CommKnight

(1): RoryMK

Not Voting

(1): Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

[Titus]

I need to go through that, but we keep hitting wagon stall outs.

[FireScreamer]

Its week 1 day 1. Every wagon stalls out.

[FireScreamer]

But please go through that and tell us what you think.

[Titus]

Its week 1 day 1. Every wagon stalls out.

You keep getting defensive and no, not every wagon stalls out.

[FireScreamer]

Defensive how? Show examples. Isn't being defensive a natural reaction to being attacked?

[Titus]

Defensive how? Show examples. Isn't being defensive a natural reaction to being attacked?

Saying there are camps is not an attack.

[FireScreamer]

What I did wasn't a defense.

[Umlaut]

The asking about daytalk is weird, I have no idea why Rory would think that. I guess it's worth pursuing but it's not something to hang a case on by itself.

I never play open games and I am a big fan of daytalk. I didn't realize open games don't allow daytalk, or at least this setup doesn't.
That's my explanation, for what it's worth.

It occurred to me that this was verifiable, so I checked.

Spoiler: PolitiFact ranks this statement "Mostly True"

A review of Radja's topic list shows he played in only a single Open Queue game (604), it was in 2015, and he replaced out during early Day 1. Under his prior account, StubbsKVM, he played in five Open Queue games (505, 508, 512, 522, 603).

Only one of these six games (512) was C9++, it was nearly four years ago, and he replaced out of that game during Day 1 as well. It did not have daytalk, but Stubbs was town-aligned and could plausibly not have realized this.

I think the statement "I never play open games" is honest and substantially true given this record.

I expected it to be true, but it was worth taking a look anyway.

What confuses me is what the statement "I am a big fan of daytalk" has to do with anticipating daytalk in this game. In general most games don't have daytalk, and being a fan of something doesn't make it more likely unless you're the mod.

[RoryMK]

The asking about daytalk is weird, I have no idea why Rory would think that. I guess it's worth pursuing but it's not something to hang a case on by itself.

I never play open games and I am a big fan of daytalk. I didn't realize open games don't allow daytalk, or at least this setup doesn't.
That's my explanation, for what it's worth.

It occurred to me that this was verifiable, so I checked.

Spoiler: PolitiFact ranks this statement "Mostly True"

A review of Radja's topic list shows he played in only a single Open Queue game (604), it was in 2015, and he replaced out during early Day 1. Under his prior account, StubbsKVM, he played in five Open Queue games (505, 508, 512, 522, 603).

Only one of these six games (512) was C9++, it was nearly four years ago, and he replaced out of that game during Day 1 as well. It did not have daytalk, but Stubbs was town-aligned and could plausibly not have realized this.

I think the statement "I never play open games" is honest and substantially true given this record.

I expected it to be true, but it was worth taking a look anyway.

What confuses me is what the statement "I am a big fan of daytalk" has to do with anticipating daytalk in this game. In general most games don't have daytalk, and being a fan of something doesn't make it more likely unless you're the mod.

What I mean is, because I love daytalk myself, I kind of assume others do too and I expect there to be daytalk in every game. If that makes sense?
How did you find my old account?

[RoryMK]

Gamma, who is your top scumread?

No clue. I've been trying to get people to bounce questions back and forth so I can for hard opinions on things.

so you don't have a scumread at all? Or what do I need to gather from this?

[RoryMK]

336 is kind of confusingly phrased, because "I have a feeling he will eventually catch scum or get killed" is not really a reason to townread someone. I have an idea of what this actually meant but I'd rather hear Rory's explanation first.

I'm not really sure what needs explaining here?

You said "I'm going to start townreading Brian Skies. I feel like he will eventually catch scum or be killed. Good enough reason for now."

How is the second sentence a

reason

to townread someone?

it's not a reason, it's more of a followup on what was a small townread at the time. I still feel like he will either find scum or get killed. He's the type of player I wouldn't want to have around as scum.