NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Porochaz]

vote mollie

She is possibly scum.

[Porochaz]

RVS: Random Voting Stage. Most Mafia games start with a phase wherein people vote for silly reasons,

until someone slips up or makes a legitimate accusation.

This is a sentence.

[Porochaz]

vote mollie

She is possibly scum.

vote elyse who is probably scum.

This fails to interest me.

Please try again.

[Porochaz]

RVS: Random Voting Stage. Most Mafia games start with a phase wherein people vote for silly reasons,

until someone slips up or makes a legitimate accusation.

This is a sentence.

explain what your point is

You don't really have one.

[Porochaz]

VOTE: Marquis

UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers,

Me and Pirate are the actual masons. Lynch this please.

What happens when you decide to blatantly cut sentences to make cases?

unvote, vote radiantcowbells

[Porochaz]

Location: in your heart

[Porochaz]

a/s/l 4 a/s/l imo

This made me think of this thread: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16919

So thanks for that.

Anyway, RC is probably a good place to put a vote.

Or pirate mollie.

She is possibly scum.

[Porochaz]

Also just as a disclaimer, because I forget what exactly is in there, NSFW on that link

[Porochaz]

this Nikanor fellow

I like the cut of his jibe

jib?

[Porochaz]

Mollie, your vote is still boring me. Please fix.

[Porochaz]

VOTE: prozack

Mollie dear, I understand that you are at a loss since you have realised all your thought process is wrong but please don't vent it out on me and the extra k you put at the end of my nickname...

[Porochaz]

VOTE: Elyse

Why me = Fry me!

As everyone can see from the previous VC I am voteless.

This makes me sad.

~ VC edited

Mfw vote reinstated

I'm good with my Elyse vote for now.

VOTE: Marquis

UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers,

Me and Pirate are the actual masons. Lynch this please.

Firing Dayvig Shot at Marquis

Teach you to claim IC in my game.

SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME GODDAMNlT

You have given me sufficient information.

Processing...

Processing...

Processing...

Results

Nothing of value.

Needless attention whore.

Conclusion

Place vote here.

Tell user they are the worst.

Vote is already here.

Analysis complete.

[Porochaz]

You are the worst.

[Porochaz]

So I understand why you would say my vote on RC is bad, Deathnote. Also thanks for making me do a meta read... that was fun. That said I notice that there is still a noticable lack of content compared to his most recent town games. Bleh, there isn't too much Im interested in right now. Mollies tunnelvisionness could make for a good line of enquiry... I just want to keep the vote on him because of the post I just read where he self-hammered as doctor as SE in a newbie game...

unvote

for now. The content level doesn't match up but Im yet to look at a scum game.

[Porochaz]

@tman2nd what are your thoughts on mollie ?

mollie what are your thoughts ?

@pisskop what are your thoughts ?

@Zekrom what are your thoughts?

Your weird response to pisskops early vote on you is also noted.

[Porochaz]

While Poro's RC example bothers me, I'm not a fan of policy lynches right off the bat.

Evilpacman, that's really cool that your location is my hometown, awesome! Are you an APU or Citrus student, by the way?

I go to APU!

Not a fan of policy lynches either, it angers me that this happened, but I unvoted him because in relation to this game, Deathnote had a point and that game doesn't really have an effect on this one.

[Porochaz]

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Hey min, let us do some scum hunting, alrite?

The fact is he hasn't done much, I want him to place an opinion on something. I am not advocating a wagon on him, I have not put my vote down. That said, those who have done have every right to do so. He is clearly stalling and by nullifying pretty legitimate reasoning with "oh, but he's new, give him a break" is pretty scummy.

[Porochaz]

Jesus someone actually made me start posting normally.

However mollie, seriously, what the fuck are you doing this game? I have no idea what the hell your thought process has been this game so far.

[Porochaz]

then what were you unsubscribing to?

Unsubscribing to your posts on Elyse, where you tunnel visioned her then felt ok then decided she was scum again or on the fact that your voting tman based on the fact that you don't like the fact he has been pretty low key so far and is now v/la which in terms of cases, is pretty awful when there is other things going on, also we have 11 days left of day 1, I'm not sure you would have even noticed/gotten off you elyse wagon in that time if he hadn't announced it. Furthermore, whilst your ranting, what are your opinions on OGML and Ythan? or the 10 other players with less posts than tman? You certainly have not made an effort to either look for scum outwith a select few players or even consider/question other players. It saddens me that you are becoming the most viable lynch candidate for today.

[Porochaz]

Make some.

[Porochaz]

@tman2nd what are your thoughts on mollie ?

mollie what are your thoughts ?

@pisskop what are your thoughts ?

@Zekrom what are your thoughts?

Your weird response to pisskops early vote on you is also noted.

[Porochaz]

Now GC. He's been active lurking up to this point. I mean read his ISO. It's all lovely blending into the background, not doing anything to push the town along type scum. The type of player you don't really tend to notice until the end of the game when he's revealed as scum. Fortunately, I have a lot of experience with this type of scum and have grown accustomed to spotting them from a mile away.

Didn't realise that this had started. Will catch up and post now. For now FOS: any Spurs fans.

VOTE: Green Crayons

I felt his vote on UT was just as bad as Zekrom's but Zekrom's the one getting all the heat for it. Best I have at the moment.

*Groans*- I hate Day One, particularly early Day One.

Mollie's a slight scumread. Lots of posts with little content always makes me want to start poking people and seeing what happens.

By the way it would be really nice if people actually explained their votes in this game. It makes it so much easier for other people to read you and for you to read other people if everyone does this. It simply makes games more fun to play and far harder for the scum to win (which is always a good thing).

Otherwise we might as well just roll a dice to determine who to lynch.

Read, I'm caught up and very little of any use has actually been said up to this point.

Oh I got another town read. All votes on Zekrom are bad and you should feel bad.

Slightly creepily that line has become a bit of a catchphrase on the other site where I play Mafia.

But yes the sentiment is one I definitely agree with. It's why my vote is on GC at the moment.

Hey, look. Posts.

...what?

unvote vote Marquis

Seriously though, UT's vote on Marquis is really awful.

Vote: Untrod Tripod.

Seriously though, UT's vote on Marquis is really awful.

Vote: Untrod Tripod.

bitch please

@Tripod Do you want to explain your vote?

@Tripod Do you want to explain your vote?

Do you want to ask everyone else to explain their vote, or have you already chosen today's mislynch?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

aaaaaand Marquis is town. town block party!

unvote vote tman

Thus: VOTE: Tripod

Pacman, could you explain why this post gives you a townread on Crayons? I assume you were referring to this in your original post.

btw the video in 300 is frikkin hilarious

Could you comment on my response to your criticism of my GC case.

Pot-Kettle-Black

Yet another post the entire iso of someone post by Prozac.

[Porochaz]

I really hope not.

The last two lines are all that are needed.

[Porochaz]

then what were you unsubscribing to?

Unsubscribing to your posts on Elyse, where you tunnel visioned her then felt ok then decided she was scum again or on the fact that your voting tman based on the fact that you don't like the fact he has been pretty low key so far and is now v/la which in terms of cases, is pretty awful when there is other things going on, also we have 11 days left of day 1, I'm not sure you would have even noticed/gotten off you elyse wagon in that time if he hadn't announced it. Furthermore, whilst your ranting, what are your opinions on OGML and Ythan? or the 10 other players with less posts than tman? You certainly have not made an effort to either look for scum outwith a select few players or even consider/question other players. It saddens me that you are becoming the most viable lynch candidate for today.

you do know that that post was not addressed to you right? otherwise it looks like you are sidelining potshots just for sake of being able to take them <--- looks kind of scummy

Ya see mollie, I didn't actually answer that question, I actually really badly twisted it to say "look at all the scummy things you've done". Also you didn't answer my question, I am still waiting for your reads on the 12 players I asked for.

[Porochaz]

molli fite me irl

Im putting money on mollie.

[Porochaz]

then what were you unsubscribing to?

Unsubscribing to your posts on Elyse, where you tunnel visioned her then felt ok then decided she was scum again or on the fact that your voting tman based on the fact that you don't like the fact he has been pretty low key so far and is now v/la which in terms of cases, is pretty awful when there is other things going on, also we have 11 days left of day 1, I'm not sure you would have even noticed/gotten off you elyse wagon in that time if he hadn't announced it. Furthermore, whilst your ranting, what are your opinions on OGML and Ythan? or the 10 other players with less posts than tman? You certainly have not made an effort to either look for scum outwith a select few players or even consider/question other players. It saddens me that you are becoming the most viable lynch candidate for today.

you do know that that post was not addressed to you right? otherwise it looks like you are sidelining potshots just for sake of being able to take them <--- looks kind of scummy

Ya see mollie, I didn't actually answer that question, I actually really badly twisted it to say "look at all the scummy things you've done". Also you didn't answer my question, I am still waiting for your reads on the 12 players I asked for.

you asked for reads on 2 specific players who had not posted yet at the time, ogml and ythan. I am not going to answer cos the answer is really fucking obvious and I feel embarrassed to have to point it out; I don't have reads on the 2 players who have not posted. :/

see the problem is that it

looks

like you are doing stuff but really you are in the same category as tman and zekrom in that your posts don't actually do anything, you quote wall and give a 2 liner but there isn't much of a follow up and your angles are wrong and do not seem to come from a town mindset and yet...I honestly gut feel you as town so I am just wondering if you are doing your usual thing where you have a hard on for my lynch for no particularly reason (skype mafia meta) and are just going to troll me with it. it is a null tell for you like very null so you are in my unsure pile for now.

Typing on my ds so this will be short. I also asked about the 10 others who at the time had less posts and plus or minus a green crayons, the same or less content as tman.

However to answer your concerns I have numerous lines of investigation going right now and like I'm trying to give you, I am giving them a chance to explain themselves. Thats not saying follow up wont happen, but I'm not exactly in a rush here.

Besides just because I disagree with your one read (and no opinion on the other) doesn't mean my angles are wrong, just different.

Ok, more general question for you, what is your opinion on the other things going on in this game?

[Porochaz]

To respond to elyse. my response goes further than that, in that there is a large proportion of players who have posted but are currently contentless

[Porochaz]

In terms of follow up

vote zecrom

You have had enough chances.

[Porochaz]

Honestly, I know your read on me, nik, tman and elyse, and even that is fluid(?). I'm only scumreading you because you dont seem to be interested in anyone but your own lynch candidate, in my view you are being tunnel visioned. Neither question was to determine your alignment, it was just to get some bloody information out of you because I am currently disparing at your stubborness.

I dont know where you got this opinion of yourself that you have given opinions of lots of players, I haven't seen them. I dont know, I am completely willing for you to prove me wrong but you haven't yet.

[Porochaz]

ISO 17, where you give a read on someone other than elyse, deathnote appears to be a scumread.

Really? The Elyse case is based on just a third vote on an RVS wagon. Im so glad we got so focused on this and any other suspicion is on people who disagree with your read on Elyse.

So scumreads on Deathy, Elyse and Nik. Reasons give for Elyse only, really. Oh and just got to the tman rant, but then as I have tried to point out. That was a bit of random singling out rather than actual scumhunting... I think you have townreads on UT and Maquis but that might be me reading into things.

As I say, for most of these there is very little reasoning, and the reasoning you have given is pretty rubbish.

BTW, I feel like I have given scumreads so I'm confused why you think I haven't. I certainly have them and am completely willing at some point today to go through my thought processes more clearly when I have done some work at work.

[Porochaz]

Ok, this game is something else. There are a lot of players who are active, which is a good thing, but there's also a lot of spam. I've never seen a game quite like it.

Zekrom: I suspect he's town simply because of how quickly the wagon on him has built up. Seems like an opportunistic bandwagon against low-hanging fruit. That said Zekrom really needs to wake up and actually start playing the game instead of being completely useless. To be honest I wouldn't want Zekrom alive with me in the end game.
Mollie: I'm happier with Mollie than I was initially. She's stopped mindlessly spamming and there are actually some useful posts in with the spam. I liked her thoughts on poro, who I'll ISO at some point soon.
Pacman and fish are two more players who I don't like. They're also blending into the background, not really being talked about in the thread and not doing anything controversial while still having a couple of posts. I would be willing to lynch either of those two today.
The majority of you just need to step up and start playing the game you signed up for.

4 votes in a 21 player game with 11 to lynch does not a wagon make.

Also there is one thing I'd say for mollie, she has been quite single minded but she hasn't been spamming.

I am interested that with the 3 posts each, which I would define 2 from pacman and 1 from fish as not being really game related, what is your definition of low hanging fruit?

[Porochaz]

is it really supposed to be taken for granted that he's a VI? I mean, it feels like I'm the only one still thinking or maybe even just hoping he's scum. It's not like scum can't just be obvious if they're a new player, anyway

wouldnt be voting him if I didnt think he was scum.

[Porochaz]

zekrom. vote zekrom25 for VI.

he's good enough to have a hydra.

Bad posts bad posts.

He asked me in a PM if he could hydra with me because he wants to learn. It's not like he wants to stay new forever. He just needs an experienced person helping him.

Ill help him

1. Answer the damn questions asked of you.

2. Post more than a few words a post.

3. Be glad you didn't hydra with Mala this game, she is pretty scummy as well.

[Porochaz]

Every time he fails to either answer me or mollies questions I am sure he is scum. Their is a difference between a newbie not knowing what he is doing and what zekrom is doing. A newbie not knowing what he is doing will A. ask more questions, B. Clam up and eventually replace or C. give a few non commital reads and then panic when people question them further.

What zekrom is doing is failing to engage with anyone, I mean the questions that have been asked of him are me asking for his thoughts. An oh so generic and easy question to answer in almost any way he chooses and a question by mollie asking if he had finished double checking the thing he said he was, all she wanted there was engagement. There is a complete lack of getting involved here, so much so that he is actively avoiding it. The most he has done is ask me what my point was when I quoted a post of his early on in the game, I replied and I wasn't expecting some sort of poetic response but was expecting some sort of acknowledgement.

There is also the questions he is asking, again if you are asking Player X, what are your thoughts? Then it is the start of a dialogue (or monologue!) between players. This has not happened, not even a "why didn't you answer my question?". It either suggests a total lack of interest or scum not knowing what he should be doing. Im going with the latter, as the former scenario would have either replaced out by now or would not be posting at all.

---

And whilst I am here, to answer the question I set myself the other day...

My reads and my thought process behind them...

The pereV and RC argument really doesn't interest me and it's mostly down to RC's playstyle. I'm not particularly happy with RC and the meta read I got from him, but at the same time, there are other issues here, but all this is mired in playstyle, and a vote on him would only be me partially voting someone I think is scum and partially me voting someone who could just be a VI.

Gooner is an arsenal fan so is always going to be inherently smug about everything until they lose against Liverpool and Man City overtake them. That said, despite our difference of opinion with game mechanics, I have a slight townread on him, and I can see him doing this but I would like a more firm stance on Zekrom.

Heh, so pirate mollie, I've explained to death, why I don't scumread you so much, but I am trying to differentiate your IRL play to your forum play. Because the problem is that I am seeing some similarities to your scum play here. Like your single mindedness, my aim over the past few days is to try and push you into engaging with people that hasn't anything to do with Elyse. Which is kinda what you were doing with Zekrom, almost. (but thats more his fault than yours) I mean I am not saying change your opinions, (I am, a bit) I just am not convinced you are actually properly scumhunting right now, if I was to commit to you being town then I wouldn't care where your vote is, I'd just see you with more varied conversation.

I can't legitimately vote someone who said I have the best hair... even though it was clearly a drunken lie. malakittens - I'm not happy with her defence on Zekrom, it felt way to easy just to dismiss it with "he's new". But again, more posts needed. mala how are you feeling about the things happening in this game?

ABR has pissed me off, I have seen him complete many a large game, but I've seen him replace out of far more.

EP is posting uncharacteristically little as well, also the whole vote thing is funny. Not to say he is scum, but again I need him to now make more firmer stances in his next post.

Deathnote, Elyse and GC have commited my all together unreliable town tell. UT hasn't but I have been enjoying his posts. Especially because I imagine he finishes a bottle of straight bourbon before he posts. The others I am null on or havent posted enough in the 19 pages so far. Marquis is a player that is overdue a look at, but I have been actively avoiding it, because of fear Im going to break my own nose baching my face against the keyboard...

[Porochaz]

nope, i.kinda skew the other way here. but for faith. . .

You need to place your pieces on the chessboard mate. You're playing a game, not commenting on it from the sidelines.

[Porochaz]

You'll get there, your new. Your in an unfortunate position where some of the players and the mod were at a meet together, so there will be some inside jokes. That said most of us are now in the serious mode.

In regards to your question, I think you've played elsewhere? Basically the question you should be asking is would someone say that as town? I mean meta plays a part which you won't have, and to be honest, I haven't played with very many people on the forum here in this game. You can go onto the persons profile and search through previous games they have played, and see if there are any differences between there scum play and town play. There are technical things like someone being caught in a lie etc. but a large amount of it is gut, which kind of circles back to "would they say that as town?"

In regards to your post, why would you rather hammer than vote?

[Porochaz]

Mod, can we get a prod on EPM

Noted, thanks!

[Porochaz]

Gooner is an arsenal fan so is always going to be inherently smug about everything until they lose against Liverpool and Man City overtake them. That said, despite our difference of opinion with game mechanics, I have a slight townread on him, and I can see him doing this but I would like a more firm stance on Zekrom.
.

Ugghhh that Liverpool game was brutal. For a few games now we've only turned up in the second half and it cost us today. Oh well we'll still win the League.

Should have put a bet on

[Porochaz]

Radiant cowbells says fuck all

Everyone else says "ignore" lol haha

FTFY.

[Porochaz]

Well if I'm not posting content, you should probably lynch me for lurking.

You are a waste of space, but hell, we can use you as a footstool.

[Porochaz]

I am getting a little tired of this.

Did you see the big fuck off massive post I just made, hmmm?

[Porochaz]

In the hopes you looked then read it then came back, because I pressed the submit button way to early...

did you see people actually respond to it or did you see tl;dr? Because I saw the former.

[Porochaz]

DAMMIT MOLLIE I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A POINT.

[Porochaz]

Jury is out on mollie for now, I want to see how she does latbew on in the dsays.

Zekrom is the rifhr vote.

UT, Duck tyou UT. zEKROM IS RIFGHT. DEATHY IS WTONG.

I have a town read on deathy, convince me or vote zekrom.

[Porochaz]

i jokinglty druink, zekrom today, I may listen to your case tomorrow.

[Porochaz]

MY FACE IS NOT Amused wifht noq.

[Porochaz]

no, tomorrtrrrrrow, xekrom tofay.

[Porochaz]

I know you think Im scum mmmkay.



But zekrom is better.

[Porochaz]

meh

[Porochaz]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Formerfish

I agree with this. His vote on Zekrom seemed really opportunistic and his earlier content gives me zero town vibes. Plus, zekrom's shot is easily verifiable.

I agree (ish) although this is a knee jerk reaction, lets all calm down until Im sover enough to thing straight.


I still like my zekrom vote, I think deathy is town, which is where we fundamentally disagree, UT, and Im not sure I find you town enough to blindly follow you.

[Porochaz]

You can all fuck straight the fuck off. This is clearly not my scum game. Do you think that as scum I would be this blatantly scummy? I am unfamiliar with most of this player list, and have no basis for reads. I am going off of the things that some people I do know are saying and reads they are making. The thing that set me off was Z asking someone else to help get the heat off of him. UT why would he be asking you to get heat off of him? How could you even do this at the point in the game we are at, you guys aren't masons.

One-shot vig? Fucking shitty scum fake claim. I do like the way he threw in the word town there though, guess he was worried we might mistake that for a straight out scum claim. So what happens when we don't have a two kill night? You claim to be blocked, or you take credit for a kill and hypothesize that there must have been a block on scum or a protect on town? Good luck with that shit if you guys mislynch me.

Well I may have disagreed before but this isn't the shiny glowy example of towniness he thinks it is.

[Porochaz]

Well that was so fun I had to read it twice.

No wait, that is wrong.

That was so fucking dumb I had to read it twice.

I mean I get drunk and go to sleep and all the drama happens. Every single person in that clusterfuck came out looking shit. Except mollie. Ythan fakeclaimed dayvig, at least it got some interesting reactions. Deathnote and UT play differently, congratulations, now please both remove the sticks from your respective asses and get over your butthurt, both good players, both acting like fucking whiny children, and fish, the vote was bad, the reaction to the votes placed on him were bad/the post above, and that list of town/scum players is doubly bad, 1 because there was no thought process behind it and 2, it was completely random.

Fish, your questions that you quoted for UT are asking for him to explain Zekroms actions, even if he is scum how do you expect him to explain them? These are questions only Zekrom (unlikely) will be able to answer. Your other question, was answered by him.

There are good reasons for your lynch.

I believe that almost all the other votes either commented on or before the initial vote, or at least were around and posting and active during the time they voted, you were not, you came in and voted without an acknowledgement why.

Your reaction was very OTT, a bit of AtE and full of WIFOM and all the other acronyms you can think of.

Overall, your not providing any sort of reasoning with your reads, so it looks like you are pulling them out of your ass.

Im not sure about other people but thats the opinion I've gained in the last few pages and if I were to vote you over what I still feel is the superior zekrom lynch then that would be why.

[Porochaz]

Why are we even voting Zekrom?

Because we are being useful and trying to find scum, now I have made a case, go find it, or make your own case or shut the hell up because we all know that you can't go beyond your self pitying nature to actually get off your ass and play the bloody game.

[Porochaz]

prozac, why don't you think it would be worth pursuing another scumread today and revisiting Zekrom tomorrow after he's had a chance to use/prove his 1-shot vig?

also, don't you think that his claim looks like he's quoting a role PM rather than trying to fakeclaim?

Apart from anything else if he is town then I don't trust him to use it well, I mean I don't even know if he has been following the game. What's more I don't trust people to direct his kill at this point. Also through sheer ineptness, I dont trust him to even direct the kill properly even if we do come to an agreement.

Also your second question just brings up a load of WIFOM and outguessing the player/mod that I just can't be assed getting into.

[Porochaz]

bleh meant to

unvote

though

[Porochaz]

Do I have to quote all his posts again to answer that question? Why would he do anything we say when he hasn't all game?

Obviously the vast majority of the playerlist is town, that said the vast majority of the playerlists opinions have been woeful.

[Porochaz]

My idea is you tell me about the game.

[Porochaz]

Happy scumday

[Porochaz]

Im taking a break from this game for a day or two.

[Porochaz]

10. Malakittens - I want to know what scum mala looks like.

Scum Mala is the most transparent thing on earth~

Mhm.

[Porochaz]

give me a lynch before my apathy makes me idle

You might play better then???

[Porochaz]

After the reread, I want a Zekrom lynch more. Its bad I know, but I don't trust him not to really damage the town just because he fancied being a dick this game.

Fishy too, not for those reasons but that slip...

People voting sthar need to stop as well or at least get a better case.

UT needs a look at when there is more info on the table, you smell off, my friend.

Right look, if you guys aren't going to choose Zekrom, then I want RC. <- a lynch close enough to Zekroms without the vig claiming issues. Or OMGL. Maquis or EPM as well, would not bother me here.

[Porochaz]

IMPORTANT!

@Zekrom: IF WE GIVE YOU A LIST OF POSSIBLE TARGETS WILL YOU KILL ONE OF THOSE TARGETS?

yes if they are scum i will

Let me be perfectly clear, if you don't get lynched, which Im still open to. Then you will kill exactly who we as a town decide on. No choice.

[Porochaz]

He still gets to choose amongst the pool of targets.

No.

No he does not.

Not ever.

No

Nope

No

He lost that right when he chose not to play the game.

And again, no.

[Porochaz]

Not if we're testing the doc claim too. Although I'm less sure about that than I was.

Lets not be stupid about this.

If we test the doc claim then how do we test the vig claim, hmmm?

[Porochaz]

But, he has to choose. Are you suggesting he use random.org or something?

No. We are giving him one name only. That is the list he is choosing from. As I say, he lost his right to choose.

[Porochaz]

Thats a ridiculously stupid plan for a great many reasons.

[Porochaz]

You're a ridiculously stupid man for a great many reasons.

[Porochaz]

Basically ready to lynch Zek or have him shoot himself and we lynch Nik.

But because I want Nik to hang Im guessing mollie finds him town now...

[Porochaz]

vote zekrom

the more we extend this day the more Im wondering the point in this whole vig shot deal. I dont trust him to do whats right if he's town, which I have never really felt and I don't see the big advantage of doing it is.

[Porochaz]

I am sorry, lynch Maquis, vig RC. Seems like the best route for today. Or kill yourself. You know, I am not fussy.

vote Maquis

[Porochaz]

That pic used to be my desktop pic.

True story.

[Porochaz]

mod

Desp can you clarify the deadline here. In your first day post you say the deadline is the 17th and every deadline would not fall on a weekend yet in every other post you have said deadline will be the 16th on the sunday?

I have given up here. You all have 24 hours to say who you want to vig by underlining it. Zekrom doesn't get a vote and if you don't do it by tomorrow 1pm GMT you forfeit your vote. Sound fair? I don't care.

vig - Radiant Cowbells

[Porochaz]

I still think you are scum but even if you are a town roleblocker, town roleblockers fuck up town more than they do scum most of the time.

and vigs?

[Porochaz]

I still think you are scum but even if you are a town roleblocker, town roleblockers fuck up town more than they do scum most of the time.

and vigs?

Well in this game a vig is good to get rid of dead weight.

Well in that case, he should shoot himself.

[Porochaz]

Hi, My best town game. Blocked the scum kill three times. Caught all bar one scum. Your assumption is wrong in this regard.

[Porochaz]

I will NL over a zekrom lynch.

Who ever said you were a good player?

[Porochaz]

Not happy with this lynch.

[Porochaz]

Glad you justified my choice.

Also Gooner is also a sub standard vig.

[Porochaz]

This game makes me want to cry. Part of me wants to vote for whoever decided on this stupid plan.

Seriously how was that ever going to work.

OK cabd counterclaim... Useful. I am not sure double vigs is normal. Not sure why gooner didn't immediately counter. Anyway a vote for zek is incoming. Once I get to read out with a meet

[Porochaz]

Apologies, manchesskid-meet took up my time this week, looks like the zekrom lynch is done which I have no big problems with. RC looks as useful as always, at this point its amusing to me that he thinks that he has some sort of sway here...

[Porochaz]

Interesting voting patterns day 2, makes UT look bad.

Mollie, self voting lasted too long to be scummy...

RC is still making me feel awful.

Back to the game, Marquis Im leaning scum, but Malascum, I'm coming for you.

[Porochaz]

Thanks for the prod, I will get to Malascum soon.

[Porochaz]

No mollie.

[Porochaz]

I've still got to say why Mala is scum, I havent forgotten. However the vultures that have circled around her since my initial suspicion is making me uneasy...

[Porochaz]

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Im ill atm so my activity is going to be rough(er). Basically, Mala has shown little interest in the game (I know you are ill atm.) but the post quoted at the time really hit me as off. I made a post about it -

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Hey min, let us do some scum hunting, alrite?

The fact is he hasn't done much, I want him to place an opinion on something. I am not advocating a wagon on him, I have not put my vote down. That said, those who have done have every right to do so. He is clearly stalling and by nullifying pretty legitimate reasoning with "oh, but he's new, give him a break" is pretty scummy.

See.

Now that he has flipped scum, your post looks extremely awful.

Post 414 as well.

VOTE: Mollie

Serious vote.

You remind me of Shos when he discredited every single one of my crumbs in OGM. Shos was scum;therefore you are scum by default.

Also;

I think I'm down for a Zek lynch, but not voting because not many people have posted and I don't want a quick lynch to end this day off, tbh.

Is your next post I find offensive, the half hearted defence throughout the day is gone and suddenly "SCUMREAD... but I don't want to vote..."

Then there is still the fluff posting etc.

vote malakittens

Found scum here guys. Please vote accordingly.

[Porochaz]

I will read the last 10/20 pages or so at some point, but lets be honest here. Now that I have found certain scum, we should probably just lynch it.

[Porochaz]

There doesn't seem to be a vote there...

[Porochaz]

I was going to vote for Mala, but as Mala pointed out, the second quote was on day 2 when it was more clear that Zekrom was scum.

Yes but at that point it was clear he was going to be questioned, the vote for Mollie was a clear try at a counter wagon whilst the line about zek was a clear get out of jail free line after showing him support, at that point there was no intent to vote otherwise the vote for Mollie wouldn't be there. She only votes for zek when there is multiple other votes and a counter claim and there was no way we were lynching anyone else

[Porochaz]

I see no point in continuing to respond.

I have caught malascum.

Please change your vote.

Especially if you dont care.

[Porochaz]

So the current wagon is on mala because she didn't quick hammer? Is that the basic gist?

Fancy reading the thread before posting?

[Porochaz]

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Im ill atm so my activity is going to be rough(er). Basically, Mala has shown little interest in the game (I know you are ill atm.) but the post quoted at the time really hit me as off. I made a post about it -

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Hey min, let us do some scum hunting, alrite?

The fact is he hasn't done much, I want him to place an opinion on something. I am not advocating a wagon on him, I have not put my vote down. That said, those who have done have every right to do so. He is clearly stalling and by nullifying pretty legitimate reasoning with "oh, but he's new, give him a break" is pretty scummy.

See.

Now that he has flipped scum, your post looks extremely awful.

Post 414 as well.

VOTE: Mollie

Serious vote.

You remind me of Shos when he discredited every single one of my crumbs in OGM. Shos was scum;therefore you are scum by default.

Also;

I think I'm down for a Zek lynch, but not voting because not many people have posted and I don't want a quick lynch to end this day off, tbh.

Is your next post I find offensive, the half hearted defence throughout the day is gone and suddenly "SCUMREAD... but I don't want to vote..."

Then there is still the fluff posting etc.

vote malakittens

Found scum here guys. Please vote accordingly.

I was going to vote for Mala, but as Mala pointed out, the second quote was on day 2 when it was more clear that Zekrom was scum.

Yes but at that point it was clear he was going to be questioned, the vote for Mollie was a clear try at a counter wagon whilst the line about zek was a clear get out of jail free line after showing him support, at that point there was no intent to vote otherwise the vote for Mollie wouldn't be there. She only votes for zek when there is multiple other votes and a counter claim and there was no way we were lynching anyone else

I misread Zek hardcore, but that does not make me scum.

I agree with this, mainly because I find "misreading Zek = scum" to be a poor accusation in light of the fact that I misread Zek and am not scum.

Yes and because at the time I had heard from people whom I wanted to hear from. I didn't vote him because I didn't want a QL for a D2 because QLs never help town. I wanted Cabd to post, I wanted to hear some of his thoughts even if I don't agree with them all.

I seriously don't get why because me not insta voting him D2 makes me scummy.

Mollie whom chose to still sling mud at Cabd by calling him his scum buddie or a SK goes unnoticed and untouched, but me who didn't call Cabd anything gets the rope. Mollie discredited the lynch more than me D2.

So when were you planning on voting Zek -- as soon as Cabd posted? Why the Mollie vote in the meanwhile? Would you have preferred a Mollie-lynch over a Zekrom-lynch on Day 2? (It's not the lack of an insta-Zek vote that I think has some traction in terms of scumminess, but the fact that you decided to vote for another player.)

That'll do.

[Porochaz]

You guys are killing me...

[Porochaz]

NO.

NO YOU DONT.

WE ARE NOT LYNCHING HIM TODAY.

I WANT TO, PERSONALLY MORE THAN I EVER WOULD WANT TO LYNCH MALA.

BUT MALA IS BASICALLY SCUM.

VOTE HER.

NOONE ELSE.

YOUR CRAPPY COUNTERWAGON WILL NOT GO THROUGH TODAY.

READ THE LAST FEW PAGES AND REVOTE.

[Porochaz]

Well he had already claimed.

However no, my case really has fuck all to do with any of the reason you just gave.

The case is that she lightly defended Zekrom all day 1 with the case of "he's new, let him off..." then changed her stance day 2, but didn't put any money where her mouth is. ie. expressed suspicion on someone but voted someone else. Which is a fairly classic scum move. From her earlier stance, it was a bit of a 180, scummy due tot he circumstances in that Zekrom was obviously going to be questioned due to the missing nightkill. She tried to distance herself from him but lead another wagon, one in which she didn't make a legitimate argument for but kept enough of a door open to lynch her partner if she needed to.

Now how you got the conclusions you did out of my post confuses me. I mean I am currently assuming you did not read the thread, mala's iso or even the posts I quoted. Because even if you disagreed with the post, you would not have come to those conclusions. I mean its either that or you are scum panicking because I am about to get your partner lynched.

[Porochaz]

Im on my ds so will do something more tomorrow.

Basically Mala is scum. I see no reason to deviate or discuss or vote anyone/thing else until she is lynched.

[Porochaz]

Someone give me a 10 word post on why we're wagoning mala

Basically claimed scum already. Also I want cheese on toast.

[Porochaz]

Someone give me a 10 word post on why we're wagoning mala

Basically claimed scum already. Also I want cheese on toast.

Defended Scum, then attacked but voted another when scum caught.

10 word limit sucks. Yates post explains better. The two posts make it clear.

[Porochaz]

Hey Mala,

Did you forget it was a normal game?

Must suck a bit.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal

So yeah limited shot - normal, tracker - normal, Encryptor - erm... well Mafia Encryptor is defined as normal...
All 3 together... yeah no.

I would have claimed NK Immune Miller Vig, it would have been more believable.

Also there is the fact that you still have vote love for mollie despite seeing her actively not move, the fact that, that role would be insanely powerful, again in no way a normal role.

HAMMAH PLEASE.

[Porochaz]

I admire the fact that you are sticking to the story. Most would have done the "Im a pissed off cop routine" by now.

[Porochaz]

"New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication."

pedit i might help ut lynch himself too. or something

Tell me what mechanic would you put that role under?

[Porochaz]

Poro, Mollie - I'm not scum ;-;

Pls don't lynch me

Oh, ok

unvote

[Porochaz]

You are now boring me with your extrapolation of the available data.

[Porochaz]

vote mala

Just having a bit of fun.

[Porochaz]

(Also I wanted to hammah)

[Porochaz]

in fact everyone is scum except for rc

lulz

[Porochaz]

I didn't really follow the game after I died, I came back briefly saw the mason claim, cried, and left again. If you are claiming mason, you really needed to claim your partner at the same time or it doesn't work.

[Porochaz]

Pretty disappointed with the late game decisions as well