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[Chemist1422]

VC 2.1

Iconeum (1)

- Klick

Klick (1)

- Iconeum

Almost50 (1)

- Luca Blight

Not Voting (4)

- Datisi, Almost50, Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13

With 7 alive, 4 is majority.

Countdown until Day 2 end: (expired on 2019-09-11 17:30:00)

Notes

Klick might still be V/LA?
Countdown added because I forgot it the first time

[Tchill13]

Well this is uneventful.

[Luca Blight]

Ok, I'm back.

Without having re-read anything further from Yesterday, this is where I'm currently at:

Iconeum - Town, but will ISO to confirm my belief.
Lil Uzi Vert - Null, perhaps a slight-scum lean based on PoE.
Klick - Slight Town-lean
Datisi - Town, but I'm a bit disappointed by her start to this day. Hoping to see more involvement soon.
Almost50 - Scum-lean
Tchill13 - I *think* he's Town, but I will ISO again today.

[Tchill13]

Yeah I believe I'm still wanting to see your breakdowns of me and icon still. Similar to the ones you've already posted.

[Luca Blight]

Tchill:

145 - Doubting Pilgrim early on, and this seems to be the origin of his TR of me.

147 - This is an interesting TR of Klick, given his usual apparent high standards for TR'ing someone.

184, 187 - As I've said before, I liked his points against Flippy here

Looking back at his 'frustrated' posts when he was under a little pressure regarding his Billy read, I'm getting slightly more of a scum vibe because of the 'pushed without reason' stance. This is something which is obviously annoying as either alignment, but that early on I could see scum feeling more irritated than Town.

234 - If Tchill is scum then this was a clever move - knowing Flippy was likely to get mislynched at some point, his unvote and reconsideration here certainly seems Townie. This also seems to be the origin of his Datisi scumread.

303 - Seems confused why Klick would be a Town-lean for A50, despite Tchill having earlier said Klick is 'probably Town' himself? 321 is also a bit contradictory to his earlier opinion.

404, 405, 406 - I had a similar thought-process myself to this event.

407 - trying to turn the attention to Datisi, which was a reasonable thing to do here in my opinion.

408 - Why is Billy so high on his reads list suddenly?

411 - felt like I was being manipulated a bit here into the Icon/Datisi scum team idea

977, 980 - This feels a bit icky.

983 - Again, what is the point of this really?

993 - Says my early game was better than anyone else's, yet hasn't directly disagreed with Alisae over any of their points. I feel a bit like he's treading on eggshells a bit here. At this point I'm actually confused myself as to why Tchill TR's me so highly.

995 - don't buy this

996 - Why couldn't Icon, Datisi and I possibly be all Town? I've never understood this PoV.

997 - First line: decent point. second line: I don't see why that's necessarily a scum trait, especially on D1.

1167 - Some decent questiong.

1170 - You did defend me to an extent, although I didn't feel the kind of urgency I would have expected given I was by far your strongest TR and heading towards being the D1 lynch at this point. Fair enough regarding his Flippy PoV here, but why isn't Tchill suspicious about Flippy's sudden disappearance after Alisae joined the game?

1235 - I could understand why he would want a Datisi lynch here from his standing in the game, but has he not had cause to reconsider his read at all by this point? Feels a bit like coasting on an easy SR. I would kind of expect more power behind this push if it were genuine, because Datisi is not in danger of being lynched at this point.

1385 - I'm usually also of the school of thought that scum generally don't play really badly, but given Flippy's development in this game I really thought we were onto something by this point. It would have been interesting to see how Tchill tried to save Flippy here but again Alisae denied us this view by hammering so quickly.

1399 - A strange view- why would Flippy have flipped a PR when he lied about being a 2-shot vig at L-1 before admitting he was a VT? I'm wondering if Tchill even read these developments, or just skimmed over it.

Lots of potential WIFOM here with all the Ali/Datisi talk in twilight.

1411 - More WIFOM? And I'm looking forward to hearing his thought-process behind his read on me. Also want to hear his thoughts regarding Datisi.

1463 - It's interesting how he appeared to be unaware of Icon's D1 claim. It really does feel that Tchill has skimmed through large sections of this game. It could be possible that both scum were unaware of the claim (note to self to check if Uzi commented on this event).

1467 - this is fair, I guess.

Tchill's frustration regarding Icon's fake claim feels genuine, particularly in 1523.

I need to take a break and go over Tchill's more recent posts more carefully, but right now I'm feeling pretty ambivalent. If he is scum then he is playing an intricate game. His recent posts are making me lean-town on him. This one is still a work in progress but Tchill is definitely not the correct lynch for today.

[Luca Blight]

Icon:

227: Uzi later raised a few good points against this post, but I still feel like it was decent and fair at this stage.

320: unvotes Flippy and ups the pressure on Kop. Doesn't really get much towncred here as he was following the trend at this point.

324, 325, 326: Felt like he was genuinely trying to sort me.

331: Votes Datisi and starts to question her. I generally like this questioning and it aligns with how I was feeling about Datisi at the time.

344: I found this a slightly odd time to shift his vote, but not inherently scummy.

353, 356: I like Icon following up on this point: it was a pertinent one.

365: I like this mindset.

366: This is good.

369, 371, 372: This confused me at the time, but I do feel as scum he would feel justified in sitting comfortably on this Datisi SR.

490: This is fine

Basically his entire view of Datisi here mirrors my own thoughts.

I also (although I am biased) like his reaction to Alisae's 'catch-up' - he isn't for a second buying her BS, when at this point he could perhaps have allowed himself to be persuaded.

His view on Alisae's Datisi read and his resulting exasperation all feels very real and understandable to me. I like how willing he is to confront Alisae and is not afraid of holding back - it all feels very townie to me.

1015: This is good

1035: His interaction with Datisi from this point on feels like they're both Townies trying to sort each other.

I also like his reaction to Flippy's fakeclaim etc - it seemed like he genuinely thought a scum-flip was imminent (as did I).

This is why I went into D2 with quite a comfortable TR on Icon - I don't think he plays anything like this as scum. Also the Fake-claim (which I assumed was a fake-claim at the time) would have been an unnecessary move to make as scum.

For a moment I had pause for thought when Icon came under questioning from Tchill and Klick earlier this day, but overall I think he's legit and I'm maintaining my firm TR.

[Luca Blight]

Icon
Datisi
Tchill, Klick
Uzi
A50

That's kind of where I'm at right now. Hopefully we're gonna get some content soon from the likes of Datisi, Uzi and A50.

[Iconeum]

Hell it might be a good idea to mass claim atm considering the predicament icon has caused.

hot take: there is no predicament

[Iconeum]

counterproposal to town steering my power

make a list of 2 players from which i choose

that way scum can't both kill me and fake a message if i target them
that way scum can't kill my target and continue to wifom the crap out of me
that way if scum is in the 2 they can't fake a message (unless the bracket is both scum but rip then)

[Tchill13]

counterproposal to town steering my power

make a list of 2 players from which i choose

that way scum can't both kill me and fake a message if i target them
that way scum can't kill my target and continue to wifom the crap out of me
that way if scum is in the 2 they can't fake a message (unless the bracket is both scum but rip then)

or we could just lynch you.

Haven't decided yet.

I mean whats more convenient? You being alive after d1 cop claim or scum killing the person you investigated?

[Tchill13]

Icon
Datisi
Tchill, Klick
Uzi
A50

That's kind of where I'm at right now. Hopefully we're gonna get some content soon from the likes of Datisi, Uzi and A50.

Icon is your highest town read?

You lumped together me and flippy as scum d1 because of PoE. You're doing the same d2 with A50 and uzi atm.

Not exactly impressed with your breakdowns of players that have actually provided content.

[Luca Blight]

I don't have any clear scumreads based on content alone, and just because I was wrong on D1 doesn't automatically mean I will be on D2.

I have given a full explanation behind my Icon read, so I don't get why you're surprised he is my highest TR.

Until the three I mentioned come back and start participating there's not much I can do to further sort my reads.

Anyway, it's now time for you to explain your thoughts and opinions.

[Iconeum]

or we could just lynch you.

my role is

literally

proveable by my suggestion and you still wanna lynch me?

[Klick]

Unless you target scum. Or the NK target. Or you get your buddy to claim they were targeted. Its not exactly foolproof.

[Iconeum]

Unless you target scum. Or the NK target. Or you get your buddy to claim they were targeted. Its not exactly foolproof.

if i target scum and I die, scum will have to fake my message

if i target scum and I live, we lynch scum

if i target the NK target, this falls in the water


Most of these issues are solved by selecting 2 players instead of 1

[Iconeum]

and chances are greater that I target town over scum

[Iconeum]

But in most scenarios i get proven anyway

[Datisi]

Sorry about my silence, I'm having a hard time figuring out this game and who to trust.

@Icon, if you haven't gone for the weekend yet, can you tell me exactly what your role does?

[Iconeum]

ok full disclosure

town loyal mailman

i get to send a message to a player every night
town gets the message
scum doesn't

if i was NK'd (fully expecting to be), Ali would get a message with information
the message was worded in a way that is undoubtebly coming from me and he would be able to prove so in game

if ali is scum then it was a waste upon my NK

[Datisi]

I mean, what does Loyal mean?

[Iconeum]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Loyal

basicly my action doesn't work unless i target someone of the same allignment as myself

[Iconeum]

From the wiki:

A Loyal action cannot succeed on players of a different alignment.

[Datisi]

Why the hell wouldn't you crumb with a LOYAL role.

Seriously dude I don't understand. Crumbing is "beneath" you but fake claiming cop d1 isn't?

What a destructive mindset to try and eat the nk while investigating Ali. That doesn't even MAKE SENSE.

Especially considering you could crumb your invest,

if you die because of your loyal modifier

scum simply can't avoid being outed.

If you die and there's only one death town have to take into consideration that you were the scum nk even if they find your crumb.

So both scenarios leave town with more to work with than "ah screw it if Ali is scum town will never find out anyway

because I'll either die to my modifier

or be night killed"

In no way shape or form can you POSSIBLY even think you're going to help us with that plan.

What you've provided isn't a plan to help town. It's an excuse to cover up that you're scum.

Unless I missed something?

And is there any reason you wouldn't try to correct Tchill when he mixed up Loyal and Weak modifiers, "Town Loyal Mailman"?

[Iconeum]

And is there any reason you wouldn't try to correct Tchill when he mixed up Loyal and Weak modifiers, "Town Loyal Mailman"?

i didn't even see that

[Datisi]

You made a post 4 minutes before and 2 minutes after 1493. Not buying that.
VOTE: Icon