3d20 – The Great Board Game War [GAME OVER]

[cyrus62]

@mod i didnt get day1 start

[cyrus62]

VOTE: nero hey how are you .

[cyrus62]

lotus tile

[cyrus62]

well shoot i didnt know dw was here dang it i already used my rvs on nero.

[cyrus62]

lotus tile

lotus tile? whats that?

[cyrus62]

dw anit on the player list that's why i didnt vote them who are you hiding behind dw?

[cyrus62]

Also in general people should claim if they rolled an anti-town first number.

cant answer this yet i did roll town though. i got a 7.

[cyrus62]

Everyone should out their rolls btw, not just players that rolled 13-20. It will help poe later when we can reference flips back to claims.

so not smart some rolls set a landmine for scum so not outing it makes scum not know .

[cyrus62]

i refuse to out my roll. why becuse its a super power

[cyrus62]

I won't disclose my second role, but, I rolled a 6, ____, 7. So I'm useless on odd nights.

ok i can do this thanks BTW . 7 ,___ ,1

[cyrus62]

I agree that rolled town roles shouldn't out (at least, not yet.) Saying you rolled a town role is fine, but I'd rather if scum didn't know what we have. Exception: If you rolled town and a miller-like modifier, I think we should out those(alignment and mod) but not the PR.

thank you glade some one agrees . i think this comes from a pro team BTW.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus what was your 2nd dice?

wont say its just better that way. trip wires only work if no one knows.

[cyrus62]

Actually I'm actually pretty sure its a 7. I'm pretty sure he rolled a Town PGO with no modifications. 7, 7, 1. Ignore my 67.
I find it strange if it is the case that he wouldn't out the role existing if he were town.
UNVOTE: Robert M Hunter
VOTE: Cyrus62

this makes me think you got my roll.

[cyrus62]

yes 7,7,1 but now scum know thanks alot now the trick wont work gee.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: everyone who postedfor role fishing . gee you guys going give the baddies the advantage.

[cyrus62]

yes 7,7,1 but now scum know thanks alot now the trick wont work gee.

PGO is basically a town sided Jester. Their job is to get targetted during the Night, similar to a Jester being hammered during the day. Knowing it exists allows more room for town to play and importantly bluff. Let's say we had a really strong town role, if they convinced non-town players that they were the PGO, all of a sudden they're immune to Night Kills (theoretically). If non-town didn't know of the PGO's existence, that strong town role would just be Night Killed.

its two edge sword blocks every role so its better for town. then scum if said person is a very strong town player and are good at scum hunting it stops scum from killing them.

[cyrus62]

yes 7,7,1 but now scum know thanks alot now the trick wont work gee.

This basically cements it in my mind that you're not town-sided. Even if it wasn't for the logic in my previous post, they have other tricks which arguably are more useful when it is revealed. The actual PGO is basically gunning on luck of the draw to get killed and used their skill normally if their role isn't revealed. They could out themselves as the PGO, then we have the questions: Are they actually an active role? Are they actually the PGO? Are they actually a completely useless role?
I think purely in terms of mechanics you're not town-sided. The only disadvantaged group after a PGO claim are non-town.

what i prefer the game where scum doesnt know every role before n1 but by all means go on and let them know what to watch for also isnt funny how every one who posted so far saids the got town.?

[cyrus62]

i also said cant answer yet simple becuse i wanted the pgo to stay secret . i guise i thought of how i would feel i have before outed my role early.

[cyrus62]

come on get out of your pt gee i was talking to you lot .

[cyrus62]

yes 7,7,1 but now scum know thanks alot now the trick wont work gee.

This basically cements it in my mind that you're not town-sided. Even if it wasn't for the logic in my previous post, they have other tricks which arguably are more useful when it is revealed. The actual PGO is basically gunning on luck of the draw to get killed and used their skill normally if their role isn't revealed. They could out themselves as the PGO, then we have the questions: Are they actually an active role? Are they actually the PGO? Are they actually a completely useless role?
I think purely in terms of mechanics you're not town-sided. The only disadvantaged group after a PGO claim are non-town.

what i prefer the game where scum doesnt know every role before n1 but by all means go on and let them know what to watch for also isnt funny how every one who posted so far saids the got town.?

Wouldn't everyone say they were town? Unless if it was a really weird Jester?

so whats the point of this ofc every one will clime town but smbs said they rolled scum . so shes at least honest . but there is ww and other people cults and people from outer space.

[cyrus62]

i told you i rolled 7,7,1 and thought cool if i get that i wont tell i cant be nk any way . i would have to warn cops or other prs some how with out telling scum . ok now that i think about it maybe i shouldn't hide it.

[cyrus62]

i told you i rolled 7,7,1 and thought cool if i get that i wont tell i cant be nk any way . i would have to warn cops or other prs some how with out telling scum . ok now that i think about it maybe i shouldn't hide it.

should not have hid it. i didnt word that well.

[cyrus62]

am i the only one who sits in dead thread and laugh at people when they post? i thought it would be funny . say a ww . scum cult and alien all target the pgo in one night . 4 kills that was anti town yes we could lose a cop and a doc as well . which is why its a two edge sword.

[cyrus62]

rolls a d 20 to see if i can b slap people for not having a since of humor.

laugh lighting up its a game. ment to be fun VOTE: ssbm for trying to force people to play her way.

[cyrus62]

Wouldn't everyone say they were town? Unless if it was a really weird Jester?

so whats the point of this ofc every one will clime town but smbs said they rolled scum . so shes at least honest . but there is ww and other people cults and people from outer space.

I mean, only 6/13 have claimed alignment of what they rolled; so far it's 4:1:0:0:1:0. I don't know if it's more likely to have overlap in a single faction or to have all the factions represented.[/quote] i didnt ask that.

[cyrus62]

I don't understand

Do you not think it implies he didn't end up as town?

Either from the "can't answer this" when there was nothing to answer, or from the "yet" implying he has some impressive revelation to reveal later in the game.

Cyrus is just like that idk

last time i even stated what i had in a pack i was killed n1 so sue me for not wanting to die n1. btw james left a super big crumb how else would he know it was 7,7,1

[cyrus62]

This setup would be more interesting if we got our own rolls tbh (and is actually what I thought was going to happen when I signed up)

I think this is more interesting to be honest, people get to potentially lie about what their initial role was, and what their current role is. Makes it more diffiicult and more fun to work out.

no pgo is real i stated what i rolled and fyi this is how i play i currently sorting you and gauging your responses to find out if i think your pro team or anti team. basically you feel kinda anti to me right now. i most likely can get more meat from dw or nero though . however nero has not posted yet normally he is fast out of the gate. like in the games i played with him any way.

[cyrus62]

All Roll PMs collected! I have generated a setup out of those rolls. Changes did have to be made for balance – FIVE different rolls on FIVE different rolecards were fudged to create a more theoretically balanced environment. These changes will be made public at the end of the game.

A reminder that these generated rolecards will be shuffled before the game begins – you may not get your own 3d20 cast back as your role. But it should help you setup speculate

this right here means we could indeed get what we rolled so whats to say ssbm isnt scum?

[cyrus62]

i think ssbm is ww or scum and is hoping to help their team by gathering as much info as they can .

[cyrus62]

Town Multitasking Voyeur
very weak

so t3 rolled . Town Multitasking Voyeur
very weak. maybe it got fudged by mod to make it better.

[cyrus62]

btw james left a super big crumb how else would he know it was 7,7,1

Come again?
You assume I left a super big crumb, and proceed to reveal what you think is a super big crumb?
You think I bread crumbed a power role, where people have stated openly that the role shouldn't claim?

yes i thought it i didnt answer this becuse its a non game advancing question.

[cyrus62]

This setup would be more interesting if we got our own rolls tbh (and is actually what I thought was going to happen when I signed up)

I think this is more interesting to be honest, people get to potentially lie about what their initial role was, and what their current role is. Makes it more diffiicult and more fun to work out.

no pgo is real i stated what i rolled and fyi this is how i play i currently sorting you and gauging your responses to find out if i think your pro team or anti team. basically you feel kinda anti to me right now. i most likely can get more meat from dw or nero though . however nero has not posted yet normally he is fast out of the gate. like in the games i played with him any way.

So you aren't going to explain why you outed what you thought was a crumb? What you did was extremely scummy so I would honestly quite like an explanation.

lol i wanted to see if others thought it was a crumb . here is a question . if i was scum or ww or cult or alien , why wouldn't i have just outed it in a pt why make it public because if what you said about pgo is true then town prs should indeed know.

[cyrus62]

Town Multitasking Voyeur
very weak

so t3 rolled . Town Multitasking Voyeur
very weak. maybe it got fudged by mod to make it better.

You haven't answered 107 nor 130.
Why is this?

is that better . i so think your not pro team but anti team and you are just siting here going look at me im so town.

[cyrus62]

here is a question if someone who is "town" gets recruited by cult leader should they reveal they were recruited the next day?

[cyrus62]

then again if town doesn't agree to your terms you think they are anti town.

[cyrus62]

James quit hiding in your pt and answer me gee tempted to vote you just because you keep disappearing.

[cyrus62]

now to add presure to dw. why should i trust you are town here?

[cyrus62]

VOTE: dw tell me why i should trust you here?

[cyrus62]

All of mega's content rn is mech spec and no solve so scum found.

how do i know you anit anti team and trying to lead me down a bad path?

[cyrus62]

you hear that dw?

[cyrus62]

Would I do that to you Cyrus?

i think you would just kill me like in open draft. again do you hear that?

[cyrus62]

that's the sound of every one who posted so far running back to their pts talking about the best ways to push people.

[cyrus62]

Just don't soft a investigation role on my partner and I won't kill you lol

its so hard keeping secrets when you have powers like professor X. lol

[cyrus62]

VOTE: james come back i wasn't done playing.

[cyrus62]

Just don't soft a investigation role on my partner and I won't kill you lol

i seen the post where you were all like he has us all ping as scum he must die lol.

[cyrus62]

I rolled a mafia fruit vendor with either two or no modifiers (14, 6, 20). So.. have fun with that whoever.
so theres a cult member, no other factions/third parties?

Spoiler: soft mechanics commentary

here is a question if someone who is "town" gets recruited by cult leader should they reveal they were recruited the next day?

people have to play to wincon so no

if i get that i wont tell i cant be nk any way .

this is not true, it's one4one

never under any circumstances claim what you rolled unless someone has claimed it

why
what purpose would that serve for town

the way wiki states if pgo is visited by any one that person dies . so it could make a major game change cult leader could die, ww could die alien could die and a doc and cop could die so 6 deaths in one night major game changer role which now that i think about it yes i should have outed it right away but i had no one to ask if it should be outed so i came up with by my self it shouldn't be.

[cyrus62]

so answer me this James if the pgo is so bad and dangerous and i should have revealed it right away why shouldn't they out them self's right away?

[cyrus62]

so answer me this James if the pgo is so bad and dangerous and i should have revealed it right away why shouldn't they out them self's right away?

Why shouldn't a cop reveal right away? Why shouldn't a jailkeeper reveal right away? Why shouldn't a <insert powerful town here> reveal right away?

pgo cant be killed every one else can so again why shouldn't they reveal?

[cyrus62]

Just don't soft a investigation role on my partner and I won't kill you lol

its so hard keeping secrets when you have powers like professor X. lol

You are quite possibly the worst town PGO rand ever.

if only i got that role .

[cyrus62]

im just a simple merchant peddling used goods. lol i joke.

[cyrus62]

so i joined the game hoping to score a power role . i rolled a power roll and then i still get vt with nothing how is that even fair.

[cyrus62]

The ideal play for a PGO is to get targeted by the Mafia, while not being targeted by any Town power roles. However, safer play is to claim directly -- this keeps other Town power roles safe, but also ensures the Mafia will not target you. Note that by claiming, you are opening yourself up to potentially being policy eliminated at some point during the game.

A very risky strategy is to hint at a power role, causing the scum totarget you, and, as a 1 for 1 trade with scum is in the town's favor, you will have helped the town.. this is play advice from wiki

[cyrus62]

Can someone who rolled Reroll Twice use one on me? I think I could do a lot better with another role, this one doesn't complement my strong points

lol i like this i think we stuck with what we got . note i recommend every one say they got vt role pm so scum cant kill prs.

[cyrus62]

Did anyone roll VT

i revealed what i rolled i wont reveal what i got d1 like last time ok.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: nero so not like him to not be here.

[cyrus62]

I may have exaggerated my cakez weed

cake weed?

[cyrus62]

*Cakez read.
Yes let's have weed cake

t3 is pro team. this time around. i cant get a solid read on dw yet though this guy scares me its like he always acts the same no matter what he roles.

[cyrus62]

It's cause I always roll town.

i seen you as scum . played with as scum . and seen you as town they are no different.

[cyrus62]

lol trying to keep up with me t3 dont worry im off to bed going give others a chance to post maybe i can get some reads then do me a favor though find out if dw is pro or anti team.

[cyrus62]

V/LA until Sunday

I'll try to do a catch up tomorrow though. Realize I'm several pages behind

How long does it take to read 9 pages?

[cyrus62]

Oh wise cyrus, lord of fluffy hyperposting teach me your ways.

Just type a fast as you can the 1st thing that pops in your head! Then build a topic around it and keep posting on it see who it upsets and boom you cught scum.

[cyrus62]

It takes me all about 45 mins to a hour to read 25 pages in a book. So 9 pages would take me to about 25 to 30 mins with me going in deep and reading each line twice.

[cyrus62]

@mod can we get a vote count

[cyrus62]

VOTE: SirCakez

do you get two votes? the vote count already said you were voting them already.

[cyrus62]

I am confused if we are made claiming rolls or not - some say yes some say claim nothing can someone clarify thanks

if you dont these silly players are assuming only anti town wont clime what they rolled.

[cyrus62]

I am confused if we are made claiming rolls or not - some say yes some say claim nothing can someone clarify thanks

The argument for claiming is so that we all know the setup, making it harder for scum to fakeclaim. The argument against is that it gives scum a chance to know what Town can do, plus 5 roles were changed so they could try to fake-claim through that. Also, it's possible that scum got their own role card, or scum got their partner's rolecard and are able to lie about that.

Now that I'm thinking about it more clearly, it would actually be pretty bad if someone were NK'd without saying what they rolled, so I think I'm in favour of people claiming their rolls (not roles) after all.

how do you know no ones lying ?

[cyrus62]

I stopped caring about this game on page 4. Follow me cakez

you didnt even post till 9 pages in to the game this is so not your town game prove me wrong?

[cyrus62]

I don't. But if we see something that isn't claimed, we'll know someone's lying. And if there are people who haven't claimed who get NK'd, then that makes it easier to lie without getting caught.

5 roles were fudged t6o make it more balance so what could they be so far only two people claimed to have rolled scum . how could a two scum team be balance here?

[cyrus62]

hears my thoughts somebody is already lying about what they rolled but who and why?

[cyrus62]

3 scum counting cult. If we don't find the leader fast that becomes a huge problem. And still 3 people who haven't claimed, so there might be more.

PEdit - is there a town reason to lie about rolls?

are you the leader?

[cyrus62]

lmao had to try shakes head laughing .

[cyrus62]

Nah. Wanna help me find the leader?

Maybe if you ask someone nicely they might take you to thire leader

[cyrus62]

I stopped caring about this game on page 4. Follow me cakez

you didnt even post till 9 pages in to the game this is so not your town game prove me wrong?

I wasn't around before then. I'll let me content speak for me.

what content . The content where you say after 4 pages you don't like the game? This is so not your town game.

[cyrus62]

I stopped caring about this game on page 4. Follow me cakez

Is this the content you ment.

[cyrus62]

I wouldn't be surprised if ssbm is cult leader or scum.

[cyrus62]

@t3 where is that meta on dw at? P.s. Don't stop playing t3 not till you play the game I'm making at least.

[cyrus62]

im going to sheep t3 on VOTE: sircakes

[cyrus62]

im going to sheep t3 on VOTE: sircakes

@james are you not following the thread?

[cyrus62]

votecount 1.3

Dragon of the West (1):

Marashu

Marashu (1):

Dragon of the West

MegAzumarill (1):

Dwlee99

redtea (1):

MegAzumarill

cyrus62 (1):

JamesTheNames

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, T3, Robert M Hunter

JamesTheNames (1):

redtea

Robert M Hunter (1):

Nero Cain

Dragon of the West V/LA until Sunday

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a decision.

(expired on 2021-08-30 10:25:14) remaining until deadline.

@mod why isnt my name here

[cyrus62]

votecount 1.3

Dragon of the West (1):

Marashu

Marashu (1):

Dragon of the West

MegAzumarill (1):

Dwlee99

redtea (1):

MegAzumarill

cyrus62 (1):

JamesTheNames

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, T3, Robert M Hunter

JamesTheNames (1):

redtea

Robert M Hunter (1):

Nero Cain

Dragon of the West V/LA until Sunday

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a decision.

(expired on 2021-08-30 10:25:14) remaining until deadline.

@mod why isnt my name here

Rectified

@mod still dont see my vote in fact i only count 11 votes on that vc

[cyrus62]

@Cyrus62 why aren't you voting for me anymore?

Hey James you're tunneled on cyrus.

He's anti-town why wouldn't I tunnel him?

what makes me anti town? i didnt fully read the pgo where it said it should be outed 1st thing day1 yes i should have stated i rolled it. but what is more not claiming it if you have it.

[cyrus62]

are we even going to scum hunt or just mec talk all day.

[cyrus62]

i could act scummy if you like james everything i have done so far fits my town meta though.

[cyrus62]

sooo... i also... did some meta can you believe it. flipped some of my reads. guess it pays sometimes.
except for Thor who has nothing to meta, and i have no read on.

kyouko: town or third party
t3: town or third party
sircakez: town-lean

megAz: very unsure
nero cain: very unsure
marashu: no idea
DotW: didn't meta, too early to form an opinion

Robert M: didn't meta, but scum-lean
jamesthenames: probably scum, but

could

be improved town
cyrus: scum

VOTE: cyrus62

It takes me all about 45 mins to a hour to read 25 pages in a book. So 9 pages would take me to about 25 to 30 mins with me going in deep and reading each line twice.

i don't know about you all but it takes me longer to read a mafia game than a book. Think you're in the minority my guy

I have always been a very quick reader how is that scummy . Ask t3 as scum I use a lot of logic have I even given a hint of using logic at all this game. I also give very weak reads and work a lot harder. As town I bounce around a lot and stay on people till I get a flip.

[cyrus62]

Okay will you summarise the next post I make in 1 minute, cyrus? It's a challenge for you

You want to hear a joke I joined hoping to get scum so I could kill you and say I killed Thor .

[cyrus62]

three isuse . 1 i anit here to read thors post and respond to it yet due to me eating . 2 idc if you scum read me james i been miselim before and idc as long as i have fun 1st. 3 i am away right now also i dont ever have a good excuse for how i act besides me just trying to have fun.

[cyrus62]

Thor your post is basically a prist struggling with his faith in the eyes of science it then talks about the way stars burn out and the phoninix nebula and how stars get brighter and go super nova before fading . Read the whole thing and that's what I got out of it.

[cyrus62]

Has every one stated what they rolled yet?

[cyrus62]

Very good story I honestly didn't think we made it that far into space since are rover has just made it to Mars . And to discover such things but didn't we just make it to the moon in 1954 ? Was that whole story science faction?

[cyrus62]

Any way I see that we had a lot actively early but now it has faded and no ones even scum hunting at all besides James ,Nero red tea and my self.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: nero I don't trust that you are town here I think. Nero is a good vote and that he will flip scum.

[cyrus62]

We were on the moon in 1969....?

Yes we just made it in 1969.

[cyrus62]

We were on the moon in 1969....?

Who do you think is scum?

[cyrus62]

We were on the moon in 1969....?

Yes we just made it in 1969.

confusion

Yes I always thought it was 1869 my self until I did research on it this year. So if you think about it we have made it pretty far in 52 years,

[cyrus62]

1492 is also a good year.but leaf Ericsson landed in North America in 1000 ad.

[cyrus62]

We were on the moon in 1969....?

Who do you think is scum?

Nero and Cakez.

What's your thoughts on James .

[cyrus62]

Also what's your thoughts on ssbm using her vote to bully every one in to revealing what they rolled?

[cyrus62]

no

What do you mean no?

[cyrus62]

who are we still waiting on to clime rolls?

[cyrus62]

I will finally be here today!

I hope you enjoy your impending death while you still can

come on t3 i thought you were pro team now your being mean.

[cyrus62]

btw james left a super big crumb how else would he know it was 7,7,1

Come again?
You assume I left a super big crumb, and proceed to reveal what you think is a super big crumb?
You think I bread crumbed a power role, where people have stated openly that the role shouldn't claim?

He thinks you guessing the rolls means you must be that role

you get it. james dont . maybe i drooped to big of a hint with the land mines. any way wikki said the best ply for pgo is to state they have it day1.

[cyrus62]

i think dragon is pro team. but we still have to find cult leader, ww , scum and alien

[cyrus62]

(2, 19, 3) = 24

How does that work with the chart?

that's two town role blockers . im willing to speculate that means they got forged together to make the game more balance .

[cyrus62]

I am odd-night, is the other one even-night?

no 3 said in chart for the third dice that it is no modification so that means no even or odd night.

[cyrus62]

I am bad at gambits I should never try again, I was hoping to lure the other roleblocker to say they are even-night and catch them in a lie. I didn't think this through obviously.

why would you try to out the other town role blocker?

[cyrus62]

(2, 19, 3) = 24

How does that work with the chart?

that's two town role blockers . im willing to speculate that means they got forged together to make the game more balance .

I was just going by what you said, I thought I was making a big brain mafia move.

i kinda made up the 2nd one as bait to see who would try to see who the one was. their is not 2 town role blockers .

[cyrus62]

so is there two town roleblockers and only 2 people rolled scum no one rolled cult or ww?

[cyrus62]

or alien

[cyrus62]

I think that the mod likely changed alignments of some of the roles because 11v2 wouldn't be very balanced

so we cant go by the 1st dice?

[cyrus62]

Not necessarily cause five roles had at least one dice changed.

that makes it a bit tricky .

[cyrus62]

well im not going role fish lets just see who is shaded

[cyrus62]

well we know theres a cult bus driver .

[cyrus62]

i think any way lol

[cyrus62]

After doing that and doing some pondering about mechanics, 3 things came to mind before anything else.
First of all, in 33 Dwlee tells us he rolled a Town Parity Cop with a Multitasking modification, as such, I put down the scores for such a role, in the list earlier.
The numbers he gave us were, [12, 8, 14] the 12 means Town, the 8 means Parity Cop, the 14 means Rampaging. Note, Rampaging, not Multitasking.

Secondly, in 14 we get told he rolled a Mason role, we don't have a Mason role revealed by anybody.

Thirdly, we are informed by redtea that there is a Mafia Fruit Vendor, I'm not going to say I don't believe this but for now I'll say I'm neutral on this claim. My reasoning for this is as follows, if we assume redtea initially rolled Town Fruit Vendor, and was then giving a non-Town role, him revealing the Fruit Vendor as Mafia, means the Fruit Vendor can no longer use their abilities, as they'd be seen as scum for doing so (correct me if I'm incorrect). So if there is a Town Fruit Vendor hiding out there somewhere, can you reveal yourself if so? If not I believe it is safe to assume redtea is telling the truth at least in terms of alignment.

It is possible that I might be able to give fruit. My role was not in the list. I suspect I might have cyrus' roll.

no i rolled 7 7 1 = 15

[cyrus62]

UNVOTE:

Hunter is either town or unpartnered scum here - I don't think he asks that if he has a PT. Also, Hunter, if you look at your sent messages, it will show the results of your rolls. Use that with the chart in the setup post.

I don't really understand the unvote unless you are prioritizing team scum over other scum factions and intentional dumb tells do exist. Whats his scum game like? I think Hunter's play is scummy so....I'm voting there for now.

My vote was still the RVS vote on Dragon. As for Hunter, well, he's a naturally scummy player even as town, but as scum I think he does rely on the PT.

Then again, that was before whatever that gambit was. That was... weird. VOTE: Robert M Hunter

I am prioritizing finding Cult Leader over finding a scum team. I'm not ignoring team scum, but I'd rather focus on stopping the cult before it gets too big to manage. I've never played in a cult game before, but I'd imagine that in a game like this, they would want to fish for roles that are beneficial to them, while hunting for scum because they can't cult them if they have a PT.

Does that exclude nigeborizor pts?

[cyrus62]

Red tea I'm hunting scum I just don't give town reads leans or nul reads nor do I give scum reads leans . If I think I found scum I vote them till I see a flip.

[cyrus62]

I'm voting Nero cuse I think he's anti team. Not pro team.

[cyrus62]

Red tea I'm hunting scum I just don't give town reads leans or nul reads nor do I give scum reads leans . If I think I found scum I vote them till I see a flip.

So you don't hunt scum? You wait for scum to slip. Scum hunting is partly identifying somebody you find suspicious, acting based on those suspicions, and going from there. You're just waiting on others to do the work. The majority of your posts are fluff unfortunately.
UNVOTE: Dwell99
VOTE: cyrus62

i don't wait . I just haveing a hard time hunting scum this game for three reasons. 1 I don't know how many scum thire are . 2 I don't know ow many diffent teams there are and 3 I don't know don't how many diffent roles thire are . I don't think role fishing is pro team but pgo and rampaging are two dicey roles I think we should out to protect town power roles but it's up to town to decide on how we hander this.

[cyrus62]

but could be improved town

This is just for my understanding because I've seen it before but never actually asked what it means, what does "improved town" mean?

er, what i mean is based on your meta. your scum play had a much more imbalanced word count/substance ratio. Your current play seems more balanced, but you're also definitely participating more than what I saw in your town games. Based on that, either you're scum toning it down, or town improving your game, is what my thoughts were.

I had a bit of a motivation drop after a Newbie scum game didn't go well, we won but not well, but I don't like to harbour much on my previous games, I would much prefer to be judged by my content this game instead of perceived meta, just as I'll do with my reads on others. Thank you for explaining though.

is this a alt ?

[cyrus62]

Roles that could hurt town with out even targeting town . I should have fully read the wiki on pgo more before starting the game. I did not know it was a role that needed to be outed.

[cyrus62]

Rampaging and pgo could wipe out half the town power in one night then ww. Scum cult and alien could take out 4 town . Yep this will be a tricky game.

[cyrus62]

Can we reasonably assume, scum has justification to tell the truth about their rolls? The only reason I could think of is if their declared role gets Night Killed or Hammered, so they get town credability for telling the truth? Surely they'd be better off lying, as it would be very difficult to prove them otherwise without investigative luck or a lot of dead town.

So assuming each team has 2 . 2+2+1+2 = 7 maybe there is no 3dr party idk like I said not know x= y over c if c is the number of players and y is the number of rolls then X = the number of teams and roles.

[cyrus62]

is this a alt ?

No? If you want to know what happened, it was Newbie 2070, I was excited to try playing as Scum, then got Day 1 hammered because my predecesor didn't finish a sentence.

Ouch that's almost as bad as my 1st scum game . People kept his replacing out so the game was frozen plus I had to play alone for 27 days on day2 . Day1 and 2 I was town read . But due to day2 lasting 27 days and being alone due to partner replacing out I couldn't keep it up. Past end of day2. But don't worry your get there.

[cyrus62]

13 - 7 = 6 can't be not enough town.

[cyrus62]

Entirely honest:

It is possible that I might be able to give fruit.

I don't understand. You're claiming a non-Mafia aligned Fruit Vendor, of which was the role that cyrus62 lied about?

I am not claiming Fruit Vendor. I am claiming that, as town, I may or may not be able to give fruit. The way cyrus claimed it is what made me think he might be lying, since I do not see my role in the list. Read into the rest of it as you will.

while hunting for scum because they can't cult them if they have a PT.

Where was this mentioned? I can't find a comment on it on the Wiki.

See:

• Town and 3p members are always able to be culted. Groupscum are able to be culted if there are no other members of their team left alive. Atheists (Mason-type who know they aren't Cult) cannot be culted.

I said 7 7 1 pgo no mod wth saying I said fruit vendor I haven't lied and I get very very upset being acused of such even if it's a game . I'll go ape over it very quickly I don't lie.

[cyrus62]

I'm off to sleep peace.

[cyrus62]

*shrugs* then it must have been someone else who lied.

The vibe I'm currently getting as of this very post, was that cyrus62's actual roll was: [13-18, 7, _].
I actually think I know who the PGO would be, but I'm not sure that it's a non-Town PGO yet, so I won't tell you who, why or how I came to this conclusion just yet. However this person I suspect to be a PGO has increased my confidence in my scum read on cyrus62.

My roll was 7,7,1 omg I'm telling the truth okay .getting a strong urge to swer .

[cyrus62]

i like to know how me agreeing with the people who didnt want to clime rolls makes me scum . i would also like to know how thinking you got the role makes me scum or how thinking you crumbed it makes me scum. i think james is just anti team or 3dr party hoping for a easy mis elimination. but i wont spend my time on it i will keep pushing nero who i think is scum.

[cyrus62]

i like to know how me agreeing with the people who didnt want to clime rolls makes me scum . i would also like to know how thinking you got the role makes me scum or how thinking you crumbed it makes me scum. i think james is just anti team or 3dr party hoping for a easy mis elimination. but i wont spend my time on it i will keep pushing nero who i think is scum.

This is a complete misrepresentation/misunderstanding of my argument. Thinking a crumb exists is fine, exposing a crumb makes it tricky. Doing so didn't help town, nor did it disadvantage scum, this alone makes it slightly alignment indicative, at least this is what would be the case for a generic crumb exposing. However, you were adamant not to reveal your rolls despite making it exceedingly clear what your roll 'was'. Combine this, with the fact you outed a crumb at a point where it doesn't help town nor disadvantage scum,

is

alignment indicative. The only reason somebody would do this, is with malintent against town.

this would be true if the pr in question wasn't posted and stated in wiki that its best used by being outed . The ideal play for a PGO is to get targeted by the Mafia, while not being targeted by any Town power roles. However, safer play is to claim directly -- this keeps other Town power roles safe, but also ensures the Mafia will not target you. Note that by claiming, you are opening yourself up to potentially being policy eliminated at some point during the game.

A very risky strategy is to hint at a power role, causing the scum to target you, and, as a 1 for 1 trade with scum is in the town's favor, you will have helped the town.

[cyrus62]

i like to know how me agreeing with the people who didnt want to clime rolls makes me scum . i would also like to know how thinking you got the role makes me scum or how thinking you crumbed it makes me scum. i think james is just anti team or 3dr party hoping for a easy mis elimination. but i wont spend my time on it i will keep pushing nero who i think is scum.

This is a complete misrepresentation/misunderstanding of my argument. Thinking a crumb exists is fine, exposing a crumb makes it tricky. Doing so didn't help town, nor did it disadvantage scum, this alone makes it slightly alignment indicative, at least this is what would be the case for a generic crumb exposing. However, you were adamant not to reveal your rolls despite making it exceedingly clear what your roll 'was'. Combine this, with the fact you outed a crumb at a point where it doesn't help town nor disadvantage scum,

is

alignment indicative. The only reason somebody would do this, is with malintent against town.

this would be true if the pr in question wasn't posted and stated in wiki that its best used by being outed . The ideal play for a PGO is to get targeted by the Mafia, while not being targeted by any Town power roles. However, safer play is to claim directly -- this keeps other Town power roles safe, but also ensures the Mafia will not target you. Note that by claiming, you are opening yourself up to potentially being policy eliminated at some point during the game.

A very risky strategy is to hint at a power role, causing the scum to target you, and, as a 1 for 1 trade with scum is in the town's favor, you will have helped the town.

This is hindsight not foresight. You clearly came to this conclusion after doing what you did. 429 is quite a bit after 105. This excuse for your motivation doesn't work.

its called not haveing the full information . I have made this mistake before. see random videos I liked I had replaced in and thought outing the role was the best play. Here I thought not outing it or even stating it was rolled was the best play . After you made such a comottion about it I looked it up in wiki and then seeing how I thought you got it and crumbed it I thought outing it would help town more then scum since even if you didn't get it at least town would be safe . Or at least that was my thought pattern . Sorry if that came across anti town but fair warning for future games a lot of times town will do anti town things see nm
For a example he always lol hammers but that doesn't mean he's town or scum . I do wacky things as town and don't always use logic.

[cyrus62]

What is a clime, cyrus?

Did I mis spell it?

[cyrus62]

What is a clime, cyrus?

I think your the cult bus driver hence asking to be made cult knowing you can't be so the next day you can say the same thing and still act like you want to be cult . Town never ask for it..

[cyrus62]

No, it's okay, if it's the name of a role you shouldn't say what it is to give scum any information.

Do you have any good story recommendations?

I ment claimed .

[cyrus62]

No, it's okay, if it's the name of a role you shouldn't say what it is to give scum any information.

Do you have any good story recommendations?

I ment claimed .

The forbidden books are fun to read .

[cyrus62]

What is a clime, cyrus?

I think your the cult bus driver hence asking to be made cult knowing you can't be so the next day you can say the same thing and still act like you want to be cult . Town never ask for it..

If I was cult, I would be happy. Town is boring, especially when I don't know who to use my role on.

Should I use it on you?

If it's what I think it is I would use it on the least likely to be town.

[cyrus62]

No, it's okay, if it's the name of a role you shouldn't say what it is to give scum any information.

Do you have any good story recommendations?

I ment claimed .

The forbidden books are fun to read .

Like Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto?

lesser keys of Solomon.

[cyrus62]

Why do I feel like role fishing is going on.

[cyrus62]

I'm a town role

From this list:

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
Dragon of the West - [1-13, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a Multitasking modication - 34
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Marashu - [1-13, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 82
Nero Cain - [1-13, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344
SirCakez - [1-13, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
T3 - [1-13, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-13, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167

Of course you don't have to tell us which one it is, just if its on the list please.

I have a queston 13 said finder so basically how do you all know town roleblocker or role cop when the mod would have to Reroll for you.

[cyrus62]

Would knowing the 2nd dice help town more or scum more?

[cyrus62]

Oh so recruiting is my only hope then

Fingers crossed

Not touching this.

[cyrus62]

rampaging said it kills who ever targets it.

[cyrus62]

wait i mis read i was thinking of what i wanted to roll lol a vig. this is what it means (uses ability on everyone who also visited their target) so yes mara got it right.

[cyrus62]

Thor i just am not getting good vibes from you right now.

[cyrus62]

the good news is no one got God farther

[cyrus62]

Also generic claims like "I have one of the roles on the list exactly" should be avoided because if someone that received scum rolled a strong tpr like a double doctor or whatever, they will be trying to hunt that PR, and your claim will narrow the POE. I think I already saw someone claim like this so it should be avoided in the future

I think this'll be fine whilst we have some unknowns. It also potentially makes it safer in the future in the case of Hammer or Lose if somebody doesn't have too much room to lie? Plus rerolls.

so your saying lets help scum narrow down who to shoot well also forgetting cult ww and alien. if there is only 11 town that leaves 6 day2 2 cult 2 ww 2 scum and 2 aliens. lets say 3 scum and one cult day2 it becomes 5 vs 6 you make one mistake town loses. well say you hit scum . 2 , 2 becomes 5 vs ? insert how many town is left at start of day3

[cyrus62]

ok my maths off .

[cyrus62]

lets say we hit scum day 1 . 11 - 2 9v 4 you hit scum . scum kill one 10 cult gets another 4 cult 1 scum 8 vs 5 . we hit cult . scum kill one cult gains 5 vs 6 even if you hit scum we still lose to cult.

[cyrus62]

Also generic claims like "I have one of the roles on the list exactly" should be avoided because if someone that received scum rolled a strong tpr like a double doctor or whatever, they will be trying to hunt that PR, and your claim will narrow the POE. I think I already saw someone claim like this so it should be avoided in the future

@james thats not what ssbm is asking

[cyrus62]

@redtea 1st scum game ever. viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80202 . 2nd scum game viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80327 3dr scum game viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80488 4t scum game viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80608 5th scum game viewtopic.php?f=54&t=81045 . 6th scum game viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913 last scum game viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87275 . i dont know how you cant find them

[cyrus62]

Town-Scum-Cult

Assuming mislims and NKs on town, assuming 3 scum because 10-2-1 feels light on scum to me and I'd rather plan for the worst:

D1: 9-3-1
D2: 6-3-2
D3: 3-3-3

D3 is massclaim if we only see town flips. It's possible we will elim scum or cult leader before this. It's possible cult gets NKed. It's possible cult leader gets NKed. It's possible we elim scum and then the last scum gets culted and we end up in a TvC game with no kills.

I think Cyrus, you are too worried about there being a lot of factions here. Possibly the mod balanced 10-2-1 into something like 8-2-2-1 with werewolves, but unless we see 2 NKs I think it's safe to say this is TvSvC. No aliens, 3p, or wolves.

If I was moding I feel kinda upset the game didn't live up to its full hype.

[cyrus62]

And FYI I don't fit in to a nut shell I always act diffent why becuse I'm always easy elemation .

[cyrus62]

In my experience cyrus is easy to lim both as town and as scum

Which is why I always change this time I thought working with town would prove I was town.

[cyrus62]

I am a bit upset I didn't roll vig rampaging no mod . But I most likely wouldn't get it any.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus as vig sounds scary right?

[cyrus62]

Any way it may just be me but we should hunt for cult leader.

[cyrus62]

Guy you are saying that ssbm could be 3p Wich is still scum....

okay
i don't think kyouko (or t3) are factional scum (mafia/alien/werewolf), is what i mean

So could one of them be cult leader.

[cyrus62]

In my experience cyrus is easy to lim both as town and as scum

Which is why I always change this time

I thought working with town would prove I was town.

You're doing this?

I think so yes.

[cyrus62]

Did you roll ugly Nero

[cyrus62]

In my experience cyrus is easy to lim both as town and as scum

Which is why I always change this time I thought working with town would prove I was town.

BOI
VOTE: cyrus

Oh so now I'm scum for wanting to work with town?

[cyrus62]

I think t3 has the cult leader role.

[cyrus62]

I think t3 has the cult leader role.

Wow, cyrus is right :0
oops i meant to post that in the cult pt

Is this a joke?

[cyrus62]

I think t3 has the cult leader role.

Wow, cyrus is right :0
oops i meant to post that in the cult pt

Is this a joke?

NOOOOOOO

i see so who do you think is the cult leader.

[cyrus62]

VC has been posted.

@mod your vote counts off.

[cyrus62]

the good news is no one got God farther

I guess my question is how do you know that

Going by what's been claims In dice rolls .

[cyrus62]

Quick warning, waiting on mobile and laptop repairs, so my post quality will decrease as I'm posting from my PlayStation's web browser.

this is dedication

I do this off and on js .

[cyrus62]

So I got my Poe since we are on page 25 it could still change t3 dw james, Nero .

[cyrus62]

I post from a black and white kindle paperwhite, get on my level:

Your just weird .

[cyrus62]

Speaking of which I'm posting on a outdated iPad . So I anit posting much right now

[cyrus62]

As for my pool of 6: Cyrus, Nero, Thor, Cakez, Dragon, and RMH:

That is the order they claimed in. Cyrus claimed first, and is not likely to lie, so I'm striking him right away. Cakez's roll, if true, will most likely be able to differentiated from the others because of the 2 modifiers, and would then only possibly conflict with Nero's roll if Cakez's 2d20 ended up with 1 modifier.

For this my pool narrows to Nero, Thor, Dragon, and RMH. The later the claim, the more likely it was claimed specifically to be obfuscated by the previous claims. So RMH is first in line for me. Also I think his "gambit" might have just been him overreacting to possibly having scumslipped 2 games in a row (this being the second game)

Thanks. Your reads are all very mechanics-heavy and not so much based on play so far. I don't really like it, but I also don't hate it. It's just making it really tough to read you when you don't give opinions on plays. I do think that what you're saying is useful, probably helpful, and hopefully not framing a narrative. For now I think it's likely pro-town.

@mara . Out of t3 rmh or Thor do you think one of these three could be the cult leader.

[cyrus62]

@mara as town or scum or whatever i role i never ever give reads. i give poe which should be enough of a read.

[cyrus62]

@mara as town or scum or whatever i role i never ever give reads. i give poe which should be enough of a read.

If you're inherently not a town-aider at least we don't have to meta dive.
The use of self-meta roughly translates to:
"Look at me I am so town, I play like this whenever I am town, I am self aware of this and I definitely am not mafia taking advantage of this. It doesn't matter if I haven't helped town look at my meta."
Self-meta is scum indicative.

i only showed my meta to make sure redtea got it right not to say look at this. i was also saying i never give reads its just not how i play.

[cyrus62]

So Nero are you claiming your 3d20-rolled modifier was Ugly?

ahhhhh that means a cop will see someone as alien.

[cyrus62]

I got a 7 7 1 it doesn't conflate with anything tpgo with no mod and rmh was trying to get a roleblocker to out them selves.

[cyrus62]

votecount 1.4

Marashu (1):

Dragon of the West

MegAzumarill (1):

Dwlee99

redtea (1):

MegAzumarill

cyrus62 (3):

JamesTheNames, redtea, T3

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

ssbm_Kyouko, Robert M Hunter

Robert M Hunter (3):

Nero Cain, Marashu, ssbm_Kyouko

Nero Cain (1):

cyrus62

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a consensus.

{DEADLINE} remains.

@mod is the vote count off or does ssbm get two votes .

[cyrus62]

I got a 7 7 1 it doesn't conflate with anything tpgo with no mod and rmh was trying to get a roleblocker to out them selves.

Come to think of it VOTE: rmh

[cyrus62]

We should probably try and kill mafia and werewolves before the cult leader

umm no the cult grows every night

[cyrus62]

In fairness I'm hard skimming Cyrus's post but I don't think he's a horrible use of the days elimination

Omg much Nero since I been pushing scum you all game.

[cyrus62]

@dw where are your thoughts this game should we be aiming for scum 1st or cult leader 1st ? for me i think cult leader then scum but i anit sure cult gets a kill .

[cyrus62]

i really dislike this mech talk i feel we wasted almost 6 days on it and basically we dont know if any one lied about the 1st die or the 2nd let alone the 3dr

[cyrus62]

@dw where are your thoughts this game should we be aiming for scum 1st or cult leader 1st ? for me i think cult leader then scum but i anit sure cult gets a kill .

It's obviously best to aim for cult leader because their recruit is worse for ratio than a night kill is, but hitting cult leader specifically is tough. So just like kill who we think is scummy (like James)

so with that aside do you think my roll got fudged i mean i thought 7 7 1 was fair and i gave a little edge not much of one but a slight one.

[cyrus62]

@dw how good are you at poker?

[cyrus62]

@mod can we get a updated vote count.

[cyrus62]

i think rmh is at e2 sircakes should have said so so no one hammers by mistake.

[cyrus62]

@dw where are your thoughts this game should we be aiming for scum 1st or cult leader 1st ? for me i think cult leader then scum but i anit sure cult gets a kill .

It's obviously best to aim for cult leader because their recruit is worse for ratio than a night kill is, but hitting cult leader specifically is tough. So just like kill who we think is scummy (like James)

so with that aside do you think my roll got fudged i mean i thought 7 7 1 was fair and i gave a little edge not much of one but a slight one.

I don't think there is a huge reason a PGO would need to be fudged but it's possible.

@dw how good are you at poker?

I'm alright at it. I have good days and bad days but don't play for money. On average I'd say I end up ahead.

just checking to see how well you bluff.

[cyrus62]

and yes before james acts like im role fishing . pgo is deadlier for town then scum. for example 1 scum vs 1 town . even trade 1 town left alive and 3 or four dead prs.

[cyrus62]

i anit voting any one new till i get a new vc

[cyrus62]

i anit voting any one new till i get a new vc

[cyrus62]

james i just dont want to hammer by mistake so sue me .

[cyrus62]

I already said who I think is bad . I could be more crazy I am trying to be very reasonable here I do have a few thoughts on who and who isn't pro team . I already gave my solve . 4 people plus the rolls don't add up. are,You kidding me ?the game would be complatly unbaliced with all these town power roles . And. Then we know 5 rolls were fudge so you don't know which is here and what is not here . But if I was a betting man my bet would be on the flavor for every game diffent team but we won't know until. Day 2.

[cyrus62]

Meg hasn't posted in 5 days.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus when you say "pro team" and "anti team", do you mean pro-town and anti-town, or do you mean pro-scumteam and anti-scumteam? Or something else entirely?

pro team = town. anti team= 3dr party

[cyrus62]

thor can you tell us your dice rolls .

[cyrus62]

I rolled Town Roleblocker but the mod gave me something completely different

I'm messaging them to try and work it out

this could be a lie for all we know it doesn't hurt to see the 3 dice.

[cyrus62]

I'm pretty sure the only reason we know there is probably a cult is because I asked for it to be outed.

ummm no someone rolled cult bus driver.

[cyrus62]

i honestly think dw is pro team meaning not 3dr party.

[cyrus62]

Updated and fixed list, in chronological order:

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a

Rampaging

modication - 34
Marashu - [1-12, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 57
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
T3 - [1-12, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-12, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Nero Cain - [1-12, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
SirCakez - [1-12, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Dragon of the West - [1-12, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344

There are a few very weak roles on here that I think should claim so we have possible conftown.

oh yes that makes preface since lets have prs out them selfs so scum know who to aim for.

[cyrus62]

Also "conftown" can be culted

only scum cant be cultured unless there is only one left.

[cyrus62]

my role isnt on the list so i must have got a fudged one.

[cyrus62]

Dragon #596
gee maybe you should READ THEM THEN

My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game

aaah okay. yeah nah that's too much work for me. I'm amazed I got myself to meta at all.
also, it seems a lot of you have played with each other before? something i noticed, and is probably the only reason I bothered to go through everyone. I've only played with t3, once, my game before this one.
well, from what i can remember off the top of my head, scum!cyrus seemed to joke around more, avoided singling out other players as much, was just overall. More "i'm dumb but i'm dumb on purpose XD". ESPECIALLY in the beginning. As the game would go on he would display more investment in the actual goings-on.
town!cyrus seems to get into it more or less from the start. Not that there isn't *any* joking, but he doesn't stall on topics that aren't scumhunting related so much, gives reads more readily, follows up with players, etc. Again,

from the beginning

.

in all fairness i have been bouncing back and fourth on pc and phone alot this game plus im moding.

[cyrus62]

i anit cult but like i said my role isnt ion the list.