Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

it seems apparent that S_S visited Critter and theres no way you're all scum who are not seeing this

I dont know why you think it's so apparent
Dunn one feels more straightforward to me

[Wisdom]

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.

eh

I more see it as the crumb ending with the first sentence and the rest being a normal answer

[Wisdom]

But yeah with the doc claim and no cc I feel like Critter's pretty conftown, so thats another point against that crumb being the one

[Wisdom]

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.

Another thing is that this post is in a middle of a real time exchange where replies are literally one minute after another, and I kind of doubt that S_S thought to place a crumb there within that one minute

[Wisdom]

I personally think it was fine. Critter was attempting to have his cake and eat it too. You can't simultaneously preserve a secret alt and expect people to treat you the way they would treat someone with 30,000 posts.

"hiding behind the alt" was referring to this btw, for anyone who lost the thread of replies

[Wisdom]

Now for a little VCA; I think the most likely scum candidates are MM and StrangeMatter, for avoiding the VFT wagon completely and staying on their vanity wagons (Dunn and Wisdom respectively)
I know how that looks coming from me but unlike me, these two did not object to the wagon. They just ignored it.

[Wisdom]

Correcting myself, MM actually chatted a little about skitter with Towelie and kind of defended her, so they didnt actually ignore the wagon completely. Still think my point stands though

[Wisdom]

So yeah basically my solve right now is Dunn + {MM or SM}, with Emmi as an outlier

I think it's just Dunn/MM tbh

[Wisdom]

nope, none of the posts concerning me look like a hider crumb in the least. SS was just saying, much like LLD, that I'm a player he doesn't want lim'd D1 even if I look scummy.

[Wisdom]

If there's a crumb, it's the Dunn one. There isn't anything remotely comparable. And I believe S_S would not neglect leaving a crumb, so pretty sure the Dunn one is the one.

[Wisdom]

And clearing those players to know if you can trust those reads is often a great strategy, no?

eh sure targeting me would not be a bad idea, Im just saying the posts youre talking about do not indicate that

[Wisdom]

Btw why do people expect everyone to have crumbs

Weak roles should always always crumb, no exceptions.

So yeah, there is 100% a crumb.

[Wisdom]

that's not a crumb Bork.

[Wisdom]

ISO PP. He voted implo in RVS, was focused on him all day, and revoted him to reassert his crumb.

Gonna have to call BS on this. I've been mis-exed because people thought that a hider visited me, the person they had been pushing all day.

News flash, hiders want to not visit scum. You do not hide behind a person you're scumreading. That's terrible play.

another relevant SS quote I found

[Wisdom]

that's not a crumb Bork.

Have anything better?

Have you read?

[Wisdom]

Unless we lim the blocker I dont think we're getting gamma checks

[Wisdom]

Hey hey I think this will convince you for certain

Subject: Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

It's not a clear crumb. It doesn't mean it's not a starting point. But it's not like "

I could get behind SS

" or "I'll be looking into SS overnight" level clear.

[Wisdom]

Its bad but Im not sure it's because she wants to save Dunn. She could have hopped on me if so

@critter

[Wisdom]

I think MM or SM make more sense but sure

[Wisdom]

what's vc at

Just me and Critter on Dunn (E-4)

[Wisdom]

With Dunn being scum that makes 2 LLD correct scumreads I gave her shit for

Totally expecting MM making it 3/3

[Wisdom]

aren't you tired of going after me sm

I do not do cases, move on

[Wisdom]

Okay but do you realize we have what amounts to a guilty on Dunn?

[Wisdom]

he's scum whether or not he's a doctor.

what
Why would there be a scum doctor in this setup

[Wisdom]

And yeah Kyouko it amazes me you still insist when it's clear the Dunn crumb is the true crumb

[Wisdom]

But maybe you havent read fully given you were answering 2305, lets see

[Wisdom]

. There is too much in 2051 that could point at a different player for it to have been a Dunnstral crumb.

no there isn't. He said he could get behind "this", this being the quoted person, Dunn. The rest of the post is not relevant.

[Wisdom]

But yeah with the doc claim and no cc I feel like Critter's pretty conftown, so thats another point against that crumb being the one

There's no guarantee a doctor exists in the setup. There are other ways kills can be prevented.

Even if not a doctor it's guaranteed a protective exists. Macho does not affect other preventions such as blocks on the killer. It only stops protectives from working.
Meaning the uncc'd doc claim is truthful and makes critter conftown because we dont have two protectives.

[Wisdom]

Yep i already said that

[Wisdom]

Kyouko aint scum critter

[Wisdom]

Sm you didn't answer me

[Wisdom]

Because youre ignoring dunn and the s_s business at large and yourr focusing on me

[Wisdom]

Kyouko

Critter aint scum

critter

kyouko

[Wisdom]

That post didn't contain a dunn vote

[Wisdom]

Me, Critter, Towlie, Kyouko (E-2)

[Wisdom]

Other than maybe emmi posting something i dont see much of a reason to delay ending the day
Unless you wanna discuss dunn buddies

[Wisdom]

Who is the third scum though, SM?

[Wisdom]

Eh prolly LLD was right about you
Even as newbscum I doubt you continue your hopeless tunnel on me that long

[Wisdom]

Because you're just disliking my playstyle and it will go nowhere

[Wisdom]

Looks like Emmi abandoned their alt, hasn't posted elsewhere either

[Wisdom]

Jada you think SM is the third then?

[Wisdom]

I feel like being the last scum needs a different kind of effort than the one they are putting in right now
It feels more like theyre a lost newbie who cant follow the game and say generic stuff about townblock paranoia

[Wisdom]

Its either mm or sm
The former softclaimed some PR and the latter VT
So the question is whether we think the last scum is goon

[Wisdom]

huh? I said the same two people yesterday

[Wisdom]

Lol Titus with the alts

[Wisdom]

Mental note to assume all alts are Titus

[Wisdom]

You picked the wrong guy to faketunnel if you're scum (:

[Wisdom]

VT, flavor is Throwback

[Wisdom]

How come you didnt use it n2?

[Wisdom]

With two dead scum and thus plenty of room for error theres no way I wouldn't shoot and attempt to heroically end the game

[Wisdom]

How improbable is two vanilla scum? It makes the vanilla cop weaker, which is probably needed given we have an ic, a hider, a vig, a doc and whatever towelie is
But at the same time with all this power maybe scum need more than a roleblocker

[Wisdom]

And I just noticed that the roleblocker was only 2shot too

[Wisdom]

Im not questioning you, I believe your claim
I was just saying id use it n2 if it was me

[Wisdom]

I think i want towelie to full claim as well so we can get a picture of the whole setup

[Wisdom]

Oh and mm hasn't claimed either, i forgot. Mm first obviously

[Wisdom]

We basically have two lims if we use Mush's vig as one so lets get all the info we can

[Wisdom]

Meh
Neighborizer doesnt really add much to scum power

[Wisdom]

True

[Wisdom]

So to sum up

Venus Fly Trap -

Sprite

- Goon
Dunnstral -

Surge

- 2-shot Roleblocker

Lady Lambdadelta -

Diet Dew

- Macho Activated IC
Something_Smart -

Pitch Black

- 1-shot Compulsive Weak Hider
Critter -

Whiteout

- Indecisive Doc

Gamma Emerald -

Original flavor

- Vanilla Parity Cop
MUSHSHAGANA -

Baja Blast

- 1-shot Novice Vig
Milk & Mocha - 1-shot Neighborizer
Jada - VT
Towelie -

Citrus Cherry

- VT
Wisdom -

Throwback

- VT
StrangeMatter - VT
ssbm_Kyouko - VT

[Wisdom]

probly the most powerful one still alive

How is a neighborizer powerful
And how is it powerful if youre 1shot and youve used your shot

[Wisdom]

either way this is definitely the lim if we think last scum is non-vanilla

VOTE: MM

If it doesnt end the game it means it's a goon which is most likely SM

[Wisdom]

or someone's lying about being a vt in (us, you, ssbm)

either way i'm not ready at this point

-b

ssbm claimed vt before gamma announced the result, so unlikely shes lying

me or you, objectively speaking, yeah, could be fakeclaiming, since gamma is dead tonight and wont have more checks

But I know that not to be the case for me and Im townreading you, so yeah

[Wisdom]

no worries we will lim you and youll be relieved of the pain

[Wisdom]

Im waiting for your answers on how youre the strongest pr alive

As well as which scum pushes on you you're referring to specifically

[Wisdom]

I only recall LLD and Gamma fighting with you

[Wisdom]

Votes dont mean much
Show me the pushes

[Wisdom]

she also tried to put suspicion on someone that wasn't dunnstral via hider guil

I think she actually believed that
Plus she could jump on me if they really wanted me gone

SM is the best vanilla vig for me

[Wisdom]

pooky why didnt you use the neighborizing n1 again?

[Wisdom]

spoilers: scum cant multitask and dunn was roleblocking gamma

[Wisdom]

Wait we're dumb
If they cant multitask then isnt mm clear for neighborizing last night

[Wisdom]

Nevermind it was just Critter assuming they cant multitask, its not actually said anywhere

[Wisdom]

And explain why you didnt use it n1

[Wisdom]

Looks like it

[Wisdom]

So lim MM, vig SM, yes?

[Wisdom]

It doesn't hunt down prs but it's better than a goon

[Wisdom]

Im not preparing for anything, we're just using mush's vig as a second lim on case game doesnt end with your death

All of this has been said already

[Wisdom]

he claims the scum weren't even pushing me, which is obviously a lie if you look at dunnstral iso which i cited

I claimed no such thing, i just asked for citation because i didnt remember it

[Wisdom]

3 players

If mm & sm dont end it, id want you next

[Wisdom]

Im pretty sure it just ends with mm/sm anyway so

[Wisdom]

Yep

[Wisdom]

good so you agree with mm then

[Wisdom]

Kyouko claimed before you revealed who you checked, its pretty unlikely she fakeclaimed

[Wisdom]

There are no other prs so

[Wisdom]

The only one from my pov who could have done that is towelie
I dont think towelie is scum
So youre the only pr

[Wisdom]

then scum case towelie for me because thats your only alternative

Sm and Titus are confirmed vt, and Kyouko claimed before gamma revealed so essentially confirmed vt as well

[Wisdom]

Yes

[Wisdom]

Oh I didn't see the why

Because last scum is likely non vanilla and the only non vanilla is MM

If not then the last scum is actually vanilla and amongst the vanilla claims i scumread you most

[Wisdom]

i show him 5 dunnstral posts pushing me

he drops the subject but still thinkz im scum

thats not a town progression lol

I conceded the point

Doesn't mean youre not still scum

[Wisdom]

Because we had a lot of town power and just a 2shot roleblocker does not seem enough

You'll say again that a neighborizer adds nothing to that snd i already said that myself but theres no guarantee that's all you are. Maybe youre a joat like towelie said and this also explains your missing n1 action

[Wisdom]

No i won't re-evaluate because we're not limming vanilla

[Wisdom]

Pretty sure 2013 had joats

[Wisdom]

bai

[Wisdom]

b

are you some kind of ascetic?

winky face

i gotta admit this feels a little like they were excited they had something incriminating (like their action failed on us) and didn't notice the hood had opened.
which probably doesn't come from scum here.
blah.
i don't really have a good gut here atm.

-b

Disagree, maybe the "excitement" was eagerness to be confirmed as neighborizer

[Wisdom]

I won’t shoot either Jada or SM.

If bears are the elimination, the shot is in Wisdom, ssbm, Towelie.

Bears are an obvious elimination choice, I would rather shoot there and eliminate elsewhere. That’s just me.

Gamma is pretty close to confirmed due to the role block on that slot N1. Towelie is the deepest of deep wolves if scum. I would prefer Wisdom over all the other options presented, but I wouldn’t hate ssbm going down. Towelie absolutely only if there’s no other consensus. I refuse to shoot Jada or StrangeMatter, period. You don’t get confirmed vanilla deaths out of me in this setup at this gamestate, absolutely not.

yeah that was my b I forgot VFT flipped goon, I dont advocate confirmed vanilla shots

If mm is not scum then the last scum is vanilla unless towelie fakeclaimed which i doubt
So we're then starting to eliminate vanillas

[Wisdom]

I don't understand the doubts on the mm lim. it feels obvious to me

[Wisdom]

like i'm genuinely curious what else scum could have a one shot of that fixes that issue.

Not a ninja as there's no tracker/watcher
not a strongman probably or you don't get the indecisive modifier which is definitely there to be a check against perma protecting the same target (although seems circumventable by just...not claiming that, lol, but it's likely in the setup for a reason)

-b

A rolecop? A tracker? Something to help them find prs most likely

[Wisdom]

Why was the roleblocker gated to 2 shots if the other scum are vanilla
It doesnt feel right

[Wisdom]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

This was done while dunn was still under heavy pressure, could easily be distancing

[Wisdom]

No I'm livewire

Hihi

Kyouko apparently flavor claimed upon her entrance
Imo makes her even more likely to be a vt who thinks flavor claiming is harmless

[Wisdom]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Would be funny if they actually used a rolecop on n1

[Wisdom]

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Good observation

[Wisdom]

Mushy/Dunn/Gamma?

Rule of three
+ Trying to tie two townies to the currently pushed scum

[Wisdom]

Ok actually it won't be randomized. But it might be sort of meme-y. Ok its kind of hard to explain. We be flavored cop. Mountain dew flavored Jester cop.

Huh didn't remember this
Getting even more close to rolecop (:

[Wisdom]

Actually i misread that as flavor cop but yeah

[Wisdom]

Never claimed vanilla cop. Let's just say this is a town role. We could still exist with it which is why its absolutely stupid that this point is being brought up. It's forcing me to out info that I wasn't planning to out even by just saying this.

All this just to obscure an 1-shot neighborizer
sureee

[Wisdom]

Don't think critter's the play today.

we're at like 60% of a sync =/. mostly i don't know what i'm doing.

VOTE: m&m

-b

why mm now >.>
like i'm not complaining but i don't get what changed

Yeah mm, vft sure pushed you a lot

[Wisdom]

Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.

I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.

Dunn frustration about people including him in a team with mm after all the distancing effort

[Wisdom]

I’m pretty sure the PRs have consistently been more mainstream flavors (since I’m the basic one)
So why is a flavor exclusive to KFC and only around for a limited time (unlike Baja Blast which has been a mainstay for Taco Bell) a PR?

I have zero flavor knowledge but the answer is because its a fakeclaim

Baja blast also ended up being a pr so your train of thought looks correct

[Wisdom]

And thus ends my reread

I can accept vigging kyouko over sm but the lim is 100% mm

[Wisdom]

you balance a roleblocker against town power, not against the other scum role.

town has 2 1-shot strong PRs (a hider and a vig) so it makes sense the scum has a 2 shot roleblocker that can negate both 1 shot TPRs.

That ignores Gamma, who is the actual pr the roleblocker blocked
Why did cabd want to make it 2shot as opposed to infinite?
It points to scum having more power than just the roleblocker

[Wisdom]

I dont think the rest of your posts warrant a reply
You might as well selfvote

[Wisdom]

Again, i think youre a joat and ive said so multiple times

[Wisdom]

Which you did n1

[Wisdom]

Like if one of your other abilities is a rolecop you cant exactly claim rolecop, it would be a scum claim
Neighborizer is okay to claim

[Wisdom]

Just me and gamma on mm i think

[Wisdom]

I still dont think they pushed you and i showed as much so yep

[Wisdom]

no i read the whole game and nowhere did either scum have a meaningful push on you, just like i remembered

[Wisdom]

Yep but while he was under pressure
Hardly counts

[Wisdom]

I don't understand the doubts on the mm lim. it feels obvious to me

also can we not do this shit again? vft was "obviously" town too. just frustrates me.

-b

The vft thing was just my personal reads though

Here its a technical thing - it feels obvious that we should lim the non vanilla

[Wisdom]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

This was done while dunn was still under heavy pressure, could easily be distancing

Refresher for your refresher

[Wisdom]

If Im Dunn and im about to be limmed because the ic deathtunneled on me, might as well distance from my buddy

[Wisdom]

She just unvoted because of the "quickhammer". She never stopped scumreading dunn

[Wisdom]

elim wisdom. if that doesn't flip scum, vig us tonight. his posts are ridiculous.

Okay lets do this vice versa. If you flip town ill be vigged. Deal?

[Wisdom]

thought so (:

[Wisdom]

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Like bork said here

You went from "ive read nothing but ill sheep lld"
to "dunn scum"

That's not "hardbussing".

[Wisdom]

vig us if wisdom flips town

the town is so low wim that there's a p good chance wisdom runs all over it if he doesn't die here cuz we're like the only people who actually sus him

THIS.

Accept the offer for a vig on me then, why dont you
It shouldnt make any difference
Oh, except you lose the game the moment youre limmed

[Wisdom]

Because i dont trust the vig, you might be bp or whatever
Plus youre at e-2 so its faster

[Wisdom]

i'll even add i get elimmed the day AFTER in case i somehow survive being vigged so you can't say some bullshit about LOLSCUMJOAT BULLETPROOF or w/e

Ditto here.
If i survive the vig ill get limd.
So selfvote already

[Wisdom]

lol i couldnt care less about your bargain, youre getting limd anyway

This whole deal discussion is just to prove even more youre scum

[Wisdom]

p hilarious watching wisdom go from

"vig sm" elim kyouko to

i am willing to be vigged

desperate much

Im pretty clearly just showing youre full of shit because if you scumread me as much as youre claiming youd be okay with me being vigd
But you arent because youre scum so your only chance is to dodge both the lim and the vig somehow

[Wisdom]

Im not afraid of anything, youre at e-2, not me

[Wisdom]

Mush pretty clearly scumreads me so your "he wont vig you" excuse goes outta the window too

[Wisdom]

Mush just said she prefers liming me to you
Theres no way she doesnt shoot me if you flip green

[Wisdom]

Mush come here and confirm youre shooting me if mm flips green
This is tiring

[Wisdom]

Mush im never getting limd in this playerlist
At best youll get sm to vote me
Gamma and Titus know im obvtown here
Dont delay the inevitable

[Wisdom]

lol
VOTE: wisdom

Have it your way

[Wisdom]

If pooky fucking survives im quitting mafia again
Ive seen enough stupidity

[Wisdom]

Im fucking obvtown and youre listening to obvscum's desperate pleas to lim me first
Like jesus

[Wisdom]

And you know what, i wont make this easy, no

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

If you want to be bad, find an extra vote

Im not going to help scum in their mislim

[Wisdom]

You dont fucking know me thats why its not obvious to you
I dont even care about you
But gamma should not be fucking voting me

[Wisdom]

Like ffs since I returned from my hiatus I keep getting limd as town when I used to be proud of the fact that i was fucking hard to mislim
Fuck your current meta

[Wisdom]

I take it as a loss when im limmed as town

[Wisdom]

But you make way more sense as the scum side.

Nothing remotely makes sense with me as the scum side
I even fucking reread the whole game to prove mm is obviously the last scum

[Wisdom]

How did they gamethrow? What fault of theirs it is that lld somehow figured vft is scum and pushed it through and then a hider caught dunn?

[Wisdom]

You dont fucking know me thats why its not obvious to you
I dont even care about you
But gamma should not be fucking voting me

I’m just trying to get stuff done
Your lim seems to be less contested than M&M, and there’s very little motive that can be read into resistance rn

Dude he was at e-2
What the fuck are you talking about
Its just mush who wants me

[Wisdom]

VOTE: mm

[Wisdom]

gamma stop being bad and get on mm again
I dont give a shit if this is seen as survivalistic
I dont want town lims on my record

[Wisdom]

Yep mush, you just praised their scumgame but apparently they cant weasel to elo

[Wisdom]

And how is it different for me?
What excuse will i have if i survive the vig?

[Wisdom]

If you were widely scumread i would not have to fucking shout for the pbvious things

[Wisdom]

Theres no way i turn it into you lying
Youd never lie about something provable
And youve been consistently town

[Wisdom]

Like, right here, i commit myself not just to not turn it onto you, but in general. If I survive the vig, I die. Its that simple.

[Wisdom]

There is absolutely nobody who would buy that you fakeclaimed vig, come on

[Wisdom]

I feel this convo is ridiculous

Rather than speculating about what i do as scum you should reread and just realize mm is scum

[Wisdom]

okay bye

gamma, Titus, can we collect our win today?

[Wisdom]

If i was scum id be cornered yes
The thing is i was under no pressure, i had no reason to put myself in the spotlight, nobody other than mm wanted to vig me or lim me, so excuse me if i laugh at all these "desperation" claims.
I do not want to be bested by scum and i do not trust town to win without me even if they have a million lims left.
You do not want to understand that, fine, push my lim together with scum and apologize in postgame. Just dont waste my time.

[Wisdom]

Mush claimed vig titus
Its confirmable

[Wisdom]

And sm is confirmed vanilla so you're thinking last scum is goon?

[Wisdom]

Vig =/= town

what
Its a low complexity 2013 style game
Im pretty sure those didnt include scum vigs
I have never seen a scum vig in general

[Wisdom]

sm is not happening today because hes confirmed vanilla
Your choice is mm or me

[Wisdom]

Do you think last scum is goon

[Wisdom]

But they only had a 2shot roleblocker
Is that enough against all the town power

[Wisdom]

Answer me this: If Mush is town, how is this a theme game?

?

[Wisdom]

What does mush have to do with the theme

[Wisdom]

I dont understand

[Wisdom]

A game can be a theme game and have a normal setup
Theme doesnt mean non-normal, it means roles have flavor

[Wisdom]

But they only had a 2shot roleblocker
Is that enough against all the town power

[Wisdom]

Ic
Hider

[Wisdom]

what the fuck is my standard reaction to what towns do nowadays

[Wisdom]

Thats Titus for you

[Wisdom]

Even without reading the queue its a misunderstanding that themes cant be normal setups

[Wisdom]

Just vote mm

[Wisdom]

I tried, she abstains and chases her moonlogic

[Wisdom]

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

nah mm will end it

[Wisdom]

i got triggered by gamma voting me because i thought he had my back
Thats all

[Wisdom]

i think pooky just knows game is over so he wants this little ego win

[Wisdom]

it scares me we think this much alike

if we're both town we'll prolly lose this ._.

[Wisdom]

i have no clue where to even begin if youre town

sm makes the most sense based on play, but it could be titus too i guess? i really dont think its kyouko

and then these two both mean the last scum is goon which makes little sense

[Wisdom]

Ive been saying sm so far, but I'll say Jada after all
She's more capable scum than SM and would be harder to be lim'd

[Wisdom]

Because I dont see anyone else as being scum

You and Gamma are never scum roles and Towelie has felt consistently town

[Wisdom]

This is why you trouble me titus

You know better than this

[Wisdom]

What the fuck is unclear in what I'm saying?

I cannot see Gamma, Mush or Towelie being scum in this game so if it isn't Pooky it's one of the others

I am not speaking in Chinese. Poe is how I operate.

[Wisdom]

if wisdom is town I'd vig gamma

So you're telling me Gamma not only cc'd a trollclaim as part of scum theatre, but he also faked being blocked by Dunn hoping Dunn's actual target was a goon and wouldn't cc the block

Since when did Gamma become this mafia god?

[Wisdom]

goon

vt*

[Wisdom]

Not to mention that Gamma is 1000% the next nightkill so a vig there would be the dumbest thing ever

[Wisdom]

Yeah I'm sure scum have a roleblock and don't use it

Because why try to stop town roles from catching them after one of them got lim'd, nonsense

[Wisdom]

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

and ???

The only way Gamma is useless is if the last scum is goon

If it's for example Towlie or Kyouko and they fakeclaimed Gamma just catches them

[Wisdom]

Even if the last scum is goon

Gamma is still useful in that he can confirm towlie/kyouko/I are not fakeclaiming

[Wisdom]

Dunnstral didn't have to use his roleblock on N1 on anyone.

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

This argument is actually recontextualizing the strength of the 2 shot roleblocker for me because of how gated the town’s power really is when you overlook me/assume I’m scum. That vs. a Night One Weak Hider, an X-Shot vig, and an Indecisive Doctor seems pretty unfair. So imo the idea that the last scum HAS TO BE PR is weakened.

I lost you

Why would your role as scum + roleblocker vs hider/vig/doc/ic be unfair? If anything your role fits the investigative I expect the last scum pr to be

[Wisdom]

Not seeing why
And if anything if your role is considered strong that gives reason for the rb to be gated so it doesn't help convince me

[Wisdom]

If it wasnt for what I said in 2988 Id totally believe you are the last scum

I just feel like those things are out of your scum range, hope Im not underestimating you

[Wisdom]

But if you're not dead tonight you probably need to be lim'd

[Wisdom]

...and then I read SM's posts and think it might just be that easy

[Wisdom]

that's a good point too, Emmi and SM have been low content and suspected all game and they made excellent targets

[Wisdom]

Hmm. Yeah, I'll give Jada that I highly doubt that both scums there, goes and buses their own partner.

I thought you agreed with me that pushes matter more than votes

Votes dont mean much
Show me the pushes

This is probably the only time I kind of agree with Wisdom here, votes really don't really matter, it's really the pushes that say a lot more.

[Wisdom]

So making such an easy conclusion from Jada's vca seems to go against that statement. You only looked at votes and made it.

[Wisdom]

SM, show me what you consider your best completed town game

[Wisdom]

Your iso in that game tells me youre capable of actually playing

In this game youre only talking about vague theories about townblocks and votes

You feel detached from the actual game

VOTE: strangematter

[Wisdom]

mush will when shes here i guess