Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[T3]

I don't see any reason why you can't elaborate yet. Surely you telling us the nature of your investigation and who you targeted won't change whatever result you get from the mod, and it would make it a lot easier to decide whether to trust you

I targeted Dwlee N3. If I had received that he was a Rolecop, then I would have asked everyone to claim. If Dwlee had claimed VT then I would know he was lying about being a Rolecop.

[T3]

*they

[T3]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Agreed. T3 is almost certainly fakeclaiming. The question is, for what purpose?

No. My role is fairly weak, in that it can only find one scum. Same goes for Meg's Tracker role, it can only find one scum. So that's 2 weak investigatives and a strong protective.
(This is assuming there is a scum rolecop. There definitely isn't a Town Rolecop as that would mean 3 town investigatives, which is very unlikely. So I'm assuming the Rolecop is a Mafia Rolecop.)

[T3]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Scum may not have gotten any results that are not vanilla. This is a normal game, and Jingle doesn't seem like a crazy normal setup designer. So, there are probably 4 or 3 Town PRs, depending on scum power. Two of the PRs died early. Scum has no reason to Rolecop check me as I'm a likely mislim. Plugging in the numbers (this might be wrong), assuming scum shot randomly in their possible pool of PRs not including me, there's a 57% chance that they got 'Vanilla' results on both Night 1 and Night 2.

[T3]

I don't see any reason why you can't elaborate yet. Surely you telling us the nature of your investigation and who you targeted won't change whatever result you get from the mod, and it would make it a lot easier to decide whether to trust you

I targeted Dwlee N3. If I had received that they were a Rolecop, then I would have asked everyone to claim. If Dwlee had claimed VT then I would know they were lying about being a Rolecop.

This means nothing. I am 99.9 percent sure you've seen a game where town had a strongman finder when scum had no strongman to begin with (it should be the game you claimed informed miller). To rely on this as heavily as you do is suspect.

I

have

... that's why I say it's a soft inno.

[T3]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

Because scum Rolecopped VT's who are not on Nights 1 and 2.

[T3]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

Because scum Rolecopped VT's who are not on Nights 1 and 2.

How does that explain that though? Your argument is that scum rolecopped other vts than me and Mastina?

I mean, yeah.
Unless there's no rolecop

[T3]

If RR is truthful,

Radical Rat - Town
Amy Dunne - Arbitrary town in Dunn/Amy
mastina - 3p
Dunnstral - Scum
Titus - Town
Alyssa the Lamb - ?
Lady Chloe - Town bc dead
House - Unknown
T3 - Unknown

That leaves

Amy OR Dunn + House/T3/Alyssa

if rr is truthful then i'm conftown

[T3]

T3 is also Town. So it's Amy OR Dunn + House/T3/Alyssa

T3 is also Town. So it's Amy OR Dunn + House/Alyssa

EBWOP

Again, why is T3 town? So you have it between me/Dunn and now House/Alyssa? Neither of them were even on Dwelee. wtf?

mech

[T3]

i think dunn is scum in both

[T3]

hi.

[T3]

I have nothing to contribute and I want to vote Dunn.

[T3]

I'm legit not voting and being blamed for the loss today. I can see both worlds and I don't want to be wrong, sorry not sorry. If mastina can explain a bit more about T3 being confirmed town I'll sheep him and then he can cop it (pun intended).

For now if everyone in game A could post something then I think that indicates there's confirmed scum in Dunn/Titus.

i'm here

[T3]

This is a

hardclaim

.

[T3]

intent to vote dunn

[T3]

VOTE: Dunnstral

And that's Game 1!

Had me worried for a bit there, but GG everyone.

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[T3]

Alright, so here is my preference for how Game 2 goes now.

Dunnstral is the best elimination choice here. Between him and Amy, I think he's much more likely to flip red, and Demon Lord is not only a very scary ability for scum to have, it messes with my wagon results. And I know I'm more than likely dead tonight, but on the off chance scum keeps me alive to frame me, I'd like to have as useful results as possible.

To that end, the vote order on Dunn should look like this:
mastina > Titus > T3 > House OR Alyssa > Amy

	1 change	2 changes	3 changes	4 changes
Dunnstral Scum	Wagon Town	Titus Scum	House/Alyssa Scum*	Titus AND House/Alyssa Scum*
Dunnstral Town	Impossible	Amy Scum	Titus Scum AND (Amy AND House/Alyssa Scum* OR Amy Scum)	Titus AND House/Alyssa Scum*

*Applies to whichever of House/Alyssa voted in the wagon

This does assume that Dunnstral was both truthful and accurate when claiming Demon Lord is unaligned, but structuring the wagon in this way gives us at least one confirmed scum to eliminate the following day, if I get to share my result.

If I die, I die, but if I live the game is pretty much solved.

sure

[T3]

T3 you're up to vote.

VOTE: dunn

[T3]

vote dunn

[T3]

Amy stop stalling.
hammering is protown regardless of dunn's alignment

[T3]

i would have chosen "t3 is fucking epic" or just to troll the entire game i would make my extra vote "Jingle" or something lol
anywayyyyyyys what does that flip tell us

[T3]

A win condition has been achieved!

The Mafia of Alyssa the Lamb, Amy Dunne, and Dwlee99 has won!

A win condition has become inevitable!

mastina, Steve, has won!

huh okay

[T3]

wow i went 0/3 that's sad

and i was wrong on rce

[T3]

Oh, if people could weigh in on the experimental mechanics I'd appreciate it:

Persistent scumchat (dead scum can still post in their factional PT) is a low utility but +fun mechanic imo and I don't think it would necessarily be a bad site meta shift. It's also not a major departure from expected mechanics.

Triplicate seems popular, but also seems like it might exacerbate gamestates with thread lag.

Open threads at night seem pretty meh, tbh. I don't know that they're bad, but it definitely didn't see a lot of use in this case.

ehhhh idk