Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pooky rah rah etc etc

[SirCakez]

im a miller

VOTE: cakez

Fuck I don't like voting Miller claims day one but this has to happen now for the good of us all

[SirCakez]

A little birdie told me this setup actually has five scum

[SirCakez]

for example here is a lie:

I am mafia and I am going to murder ya'all

This isn't a lie lmfao

[SirCakez]

classes starting today I want to not be here aaaaaaaaa

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ydrasse
her posturing around elle on page 8 feels off, it almost seems informed

[SirCakez]

But, and hear me out.
What if you aren’t.

@Catboi, but this time, Sircakez was clever. Totally different.

what does this mean?

[SirCakez]

ok caesar

[SirCakez]

i think cakez could be mafia

the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.

oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?

[SirCakez]

If I'm parsing Pooky I don't talk about it in thread because he is going to be very obnoxious and difficult towards me if I SR him

[SirCakez]

Like if I had a reason to send a push on Pooky I'll do it but I'm not gonna sit around here being like hmm post 52728 kinda pinged me

[SirCakez]

the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me

[SirCakez]

@Cakez - do you have a read on elle?

@Dunn - I get that you like the post but you really believe that's sufficient for a townread? 177 and 179 reads as though you're POEing via your townreads and that feels kinda rote and simplistic. I don't think mafia is incapable of producing catboi's ISO so far

I knew I was going to have to talk about this eventually. I've gone back and forth on the slot but ATM I feel it is not a wagon I want to pursue. Call it null town. I think the posts read like a scum overreaction but I can see where a town player reacts like this especially in this type of game where I'm sure people were excited to play in this one, it sucks getting sunk with a wagon within 24 hours of day one open

[SirCakez]

he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

this is a wild take because I can't remember cakez trying to parse me ever

cakez shows up to games with you and i imagine him cloistered away within a tower writing feverishly to himself, pondering your alignment as he tries to chart the stars in case they might give him a sign

lmao an actually accurate Ydrasse post here I'll be fair

[SirCakez]

i think cakez could be mafia

the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.

oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?

like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse

okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.

[SirCakez]

Ydrasse is an epic scumzord everyone should vote there

[SirCakez]

the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me

also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.

so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI

[SirCakez]

i think cakez could be mafia

the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.

oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?

like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse

okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.

because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.

Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town

[SirCakez]

okay I'm coming back to this later this is a dumpster fire

[SirCakez]

Not sure what the pseudo condescension from SC is about. I’m not scum so I don’t care as much. But I’m trying to figure out if he’s bitter scum, bein’ bitter, or if he’s being too repulsive to *be* scum because, obviously, pleasing folk is a nice way to win games of mafia as mafia.

what are you referring to here? i don't really feel like i've been bitter this game I'm just feeling aggressive because I have a strong scum vibe from ydrasse and I don't always get that

[SirCakez]

addressing these since i didn't before dipping yesterday

the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me

also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.

so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI

i feel like you're being obtuse right now and intentionally missing the point.

i think that you came into the game and gave the bare minimum amount of attention you had to to pooky because it's ritual. and people notice when that sort of behavior isn't gone.
however, once you did that your actual engagement with "content", the things you could like actually use to get yourself into the game based off of that when it was topical (the meuh/pooky miller thing) was not there, it didn't seem to register to you and i feel like that's a sign you're not really reading or caring to solve the game.

i don't get what you're getting at here. i did engage the pooky and miller stuff but then i moved on because it obviously was not going to be fruitful for my scumhunting purposes. i don't know what you mean by it not registering to me.

i think cakez could be mafia

the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.

oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?

like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse

okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.

because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.

Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town

like i don't know what to say to this but i think it's a really scummy post when you're actively like misinterpreting what i'm saying (and i feel that other people will blatantly... be able to tell what's happening) and then also adding the softening little "you're good omg" to it which, i think maybe is scummy because i'm reading everything else you're doing right now as that but it just feels like one of those little "things" people add to try and make a post seem more real

the point of the "you're good" was to situate why I find your current pushes to be so weak

[SirCakez]

Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse

i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.

i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.

[SirCakez]

the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me

also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.

also she's exactly right here, like Cakez do you seriously believe your interactions with Pooky are "obviously irrelevant" to your alignment? you don't think it matters at all that in one world you know his alignment and in one world you don't, like that won't manifest in how you treat him??

i'm speaking more generally than that, i'm saying that me addressing Pooky at game start is not relevant given that i will always do so, and so it's a weak argument to use. of course further interactions w Pooky and me are gonna have relevant gamesolving info.

I think the posts read like a scum overreaction but I can see where a town player reacts like this especially in this type of game where I'm sure people were excited to play in this one, it sucks getting sunk with a wagon within 24 hours of day one open

so you think elle is town (or at least null town), but you see Ydrasse coming to the same read as TMI - is that specific to the way she expressed the read or is the read itself inherently suspicious to you?

and which read came first (elle townread vs ydra scumread) and to what degree do they impact each other, if at all. like are you adding any weight to your elle townread because you think Ydra TMI'd the slot, or are these things largely unrelated in your mind

yes it's the way she expressed it - i don't really believe her trajectory and how she got to that read from her posts, it seems generated
they came about the same time - it's still pretty early this game...at this point my Ydra read is not really related to my elle read much, it's just too early

[SirCakez]

Ydrasse points against SirCakez:
o Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
o Their interaction with Pooky is suspicious because they avoided talking about the miller claim to "get into the game", and they would do so as town
o They are being obtuse in their interaction with Ydrasse and missing the point on purpose, including misrepping what Ydrasse is saying


SirCakez points against Ydrasse:
o Their interactions with elle (1L) on page 8 are informed
o Their responses to SirCakez's questions are bad and Ydrasse would have better arguments as town

what are your thoughts about a Cakez vote?

Ydrasse points against SirCakez:
o Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
o Their interaction with Pooky is suspicious because they avoided talking about the miller claim to "get into the game", and they would do so as town
o They are being obtuse in their interaction with Ydrasse and missing the point on purpose, including misrepping what Ydrasse is saying


SirCakez points against Ydrasse:
o Their interactions with elle (1L) on page 8 are informed
o Their responses to SirCakez's questions are bad and Ydrasse would have better arguments as town

what are your thoughts about a Cakez vote?

I find the notion of voting SirCakez agreeable

what is this stuff? just vote me if you feel something it's always weird to me when people like look for approval for their votes before placing them.

[SirCakez]

what is this stuff? just vote me if you feel something it's always weird to me when people like look for approval for their votes before placing them.

I was asking Dunn specifically because I am getting a weird vibe around him where he seems to be suspecting you but isn't voting you (or voting at all, for that matter).

I don't need his approval to vote you lol you misunderstand my post completely if you think that's what I was asking for

Okay I believe this

[SirCakez]

How would GL voting you if you were town be a productive use of anyone’s time.

that was not the point of that, I was trying to see the motivation behind those posts because it felt weird to me

[SirCakez]

I interpreted this more as a machismo, face me bro type thing.

I mean sure but the point wasn't just to get them to vote me

[SirCakez]

addressing these since i didn't before dipping yesterday

the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me

also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.

so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI

i feel like you're being obtuse right now and intentionally missing the point.

i think that you came into the game and gave the bare minimum amount of attention you had to to pooky because it's ritual. and people notice when that sort of behavior isn't gone.
however, once you did that your actual engagement with "content", the things you could like actually use to get yourself into the game based off of that when it was topical (the meuh/pooky miller thing) was not there, it didn't seem to register to you and i feel like that's a sign you're not really reading or caring to solve the game.

i don't get what you're getting at here. i did engage the pooky and miller stuff but then i moved on because it obviously was not going to be fruitful for my scumhunting purposes. i don't know what you mean by it not registering to me.

i think cakez could be mafia

the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.

oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?

like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse

okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.

because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.

Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town

like i don't know what to say to this but i think it's a really scummy post when you're actively like misinterpreting what i'm saying (and i feel that other people will blatantly... be able to tell what's happening) and then also adding the softening little "you're good omg" to it which, i think maybe is scummy because i'm reading everything else you're doing right now as that but it just feels like one of those little "things" people add to try and make a post seem more real

the point of the "you're good" was to situate why I find your current pushes to be so weak

okay so i have to ask,

1) why isn’t it fruitful when i feel other people made use of it to you
2) what other things are helpful in comparison other than whatever this is

and as for the last point it literally says nothing at all about my pushes or alignment. good and bad don’t mean anything when i feel you haven’t qualified what they mean. it doesn’t actually have weight.

I've never been able to scumhunt with Miller claims, this discussion already happened earlier, I'm just gonna leave them until we have a bigger idea of the setup. and I can't do anything with Pooky until he actually gives me something to read him with, which he hasn't this game so far. he's been shitposting like 90% of his posts and I just don't have a vibe yet one way or the other


by "good" my point is that I think your pushes as town have more merit and logic behind them then the stuff you've been saying this game. 317 for example just doesn't make sense to me

[SirCakez]

Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse

i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.

i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.

yes these two things are not somehow exclusive for one another and i don’t think that everyone in a game says explicitly what they’re thinking as a potential choice to do. i think the questioning prior to your vote came at a time where it was more likely inertia would work with that vote than not. i think that this manifests at least once later with meuh too hemming a bit about where she would go though it seems she later changed course more.

i don't really buy this at all
what makes my vote illegitimate as compared to the other people who were "questioning" or whatever?

[SirCakez]

new quote chain, because that one is long

what part of it doesn’t make sense to you?

that's what 335 was about and we're already talking about that

[SirCakez]

Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse

i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.

i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.

yes these two things are not somehow exclusive for one another and i don’t think that everyone in a game says explicitly what they’re thinking as a potential choice to do. i think the questioning prior to your vote came at a time where it was more likely inertia would work with that vote than not. i think that this manifests at least once later with meuh too hemming a bit about where she would go though it seems she later changed course more.

i don't really buy this at all
what makes my vote illegitimate as compared to the other people who were "questioning" or whatever?

like if anything, wouldn't it be more townie that I actually put a vote down instead of just making "ydrasse scummy" vibes that you said you felt

[SirCakez]

i’m going to try to explain again my issue with your vote on me at the time, with the caveat i’m less heated right now because your last post in that big quote chain felt reasonable to me and i might be wrong

i don’t think that, in games, people explicitly say what they are thinking or could potentially do which is obvious, however i think that sometimes the “feel” of what they could do can permeate the thread. (i feel like an insane person)
as in mafia are always going to be reading the thread and see what direction they could push it in potentially even if no one has outright said they want me dead, at that point i felt that your vote on me was one rhat would be pushing on me, an agenda kd kt makes it like easier to say i guess

that was my issue with your vote on me given that i thought it was a weak vote for the informed reasonkng and then after your attitude felt not great

i understand this and the thread vibes you were talking about
im still hung up on how you think I could have felt the same vibes as you and taken advantage based on those. which i don't really think either of us can prove what we felt in that moment so this might be a solving dead end as it were. so i just wanna see some new stuff.

[SirCakez]

and no i don’t inherently think that voting is townie

because mafia often have to like… do things to get results and don’t always just resort to whispering evil things

sure got it

hi Luke!

[SirCakez]

i understand this and the thread vibes you were talking about
im still hung up on how you think I could have felt the same vibes as you and taken advantage based on those.

ok so Cakez this is getting at the same question/thought I have about your 335

do you think the vibes/atmosphere of the game that Ydrasse is talking about actually did exist in her point of view? or do you think she's fabricating the 'vibes' as a reason to push you?

I think as either alignment Ydrasse may have genuinely felt people were going to suspect her, and if she's town wouldn't it make sense to see the timing of your vote as suspicious? I don't think it's an inherently

scummy

argument, even if I could imagine her also making it as scum

i don't know
i'm trying to read if it was genuine or not
it could be

[SirCakez]

I'm struggling with Ydrasse now because I feel her reach out to me was town and maybe she did really have the thread vibes and idk I need a better vote now while I think

[SirCakez]

I think there is scum in Luke/Pooky. It just feels like a scum is in that interaction idk how to describe it exactly

[SirCakez]

VOTE: luke
blah blah I'm avoiding pooky etc etc
Catboi is right that this was a scummy entrance and it's stronger then my null town read on elle was. I'm going to point to some specific stuff in a bit.

[SirCakez]

catboi I want to say is town but I'm worried he may be trying to pocket me so idk. Wouldn't vote rn but definitely not safe town

[SirCakez]

I asked because you seemed very focused on convincing me that you are town. But you are also voting for me.

But I liked your response well enough.

like I don't really get how you reread the game to here and came to that as the most noteworthy thing to push on

it feels like its been cherrypicked out of GL's iso to fit a specific narrative that is not actually even that convincing tbh

What do you think is the most noteworthy thing to push on at this point, if not that?

I don't really feel like anyone has jumped out and claimed scum yet at this point, do you feel like I missed something?

I have bell and meuh as both likely town. Soft leaning town on Ydra.

I thought a lot about you, but the passion behind that scum read went away.

Cakez posts have largely felt like ones that I don't know how to sort one way or the other, although I did like his take on Ydra seeming informed (even if I am not sure I agree) as a reasonable suspicion that he could have in the moment that he voiced it.

Dunn and Catboi, I don't have either down as town, but did not see any particularly noteworthy reason to suspect them either.

And then there is my GL suspicion, so that is where my vote is.

Where should my vote be, if not there? what did I miss in my catch up?

Like example this reads post
Like some is fine but some of it like the read on me, on Dunn and Catboi seems kinda manufactured/positioning himself and then the last line just feels like scum annoyed at being pushed for wrong reasons type vibe
and a lot of the Luke posts have given me that kinda scum attitude feeling
sorry I know this probably makes like no sense lol

[SirCakez]

Oh shit that's E-1 also

[SirCakez]

Sorry be here tomorrow etc

[SirCakez]

I do not think that I am generally very good at convincing people I am town once I am on the "back foot" as pooky put it, and the thread starts being about me (to be fair, this is probably as true if I were scum as it is when I am town).

And seeing as how I hit E-1 already, and I don't plan on throwing myself all into "proving myself" or what ever, so I think I'll just claim.

I am a 2-shot Tracker.

So, yall can discuss if yall are killing me for claiming, or letting me live for being a PR, and decide on that basis.

And I'll just skip the hassle of trying so hard if I am dying today.

ugh

[SirCakez]

catboi I want to say is town but I'm worried he may be trying to pocket me so idk. Wouldn't vote rn but definitely not safe town

look i'm just trying to save you from being misyeeted for once in your career

ok well I appreciate you if you're town here <3
but if you're scum

[SirCakez]

Ah, Pooky cult counter, numbers go up.
It's so fucking weird that he's probably not scum this game because of the opening miller claim, and yet I cannot shake it. I want to vig the bear.

anyway, anyway,
hmm, 2 day tracker. I don't super care.

I find catboi's take on Luke's interactions with the tvt thing surprisingly persuasive. I'm kind of wondering about how they're addressing push back though. They respond differently to pressure than I do though.

I am impressed Cakeboy did in fact piss me off by leaving Luke at E-1. I understand the difference in philosophy in mafia, but come the fuck on.
*ahem* don't worry. it has nothing to do with the game.
Probably. I kind of think Cakez would see it being a bigger problem leaving his vote there than if he didn't.

Then again, he did.

Cakez, Machismo is not a good approach to get explanations or answers for questions you have and I'm confused why you say I'm correct that there was machismo in that post, while also somehow expecting an answer to that question.

i don't know what to think about this post

[SirCakez]

man where's cakeboi I want to fight with him over something stupid I miss doing that

why'd you claim miller i can't do anything like this

[SirCakez]

Your line of questioning with Dunn did not appear to lead to you voicing any thoughts on Dunn's alignment wrt his Catboi read, nor did you seem to argue that Catboi was scum. It was just "but scum catboi COULD do that too, so you should not town read him." And that being the where that conversation led, left me with that impression.

I also, just, in general do not trust that sort of argument as genuine, because it seems to set a precedent that in order to think someone is more likely to be town, you must believe that their actions could not be replicated. And that is a very silly bar to set for town reads.

on this - I don't think I really had a lot of substantial thoughts on Dunn's alignment, at least not worth sharing. I felt most of his reads seemed artificial and formulaic, outside of when he had the same take as I did on Ydra. That's what is kinda hanging me up as I don't see the scum motivation for that read if Ydra is town, and the fact that he had the same reasoning regarding her scum meta felt mindmeld-y. but the catboi read was concerningly easy and I was trying to suss out to what degree he actually believes in it. I also generally don't like that he seemed reluctant to put down a vote on Cakez

I've been unsure of how to feel re:catboi as well but assuming you're telling the truth here I am thinking he's probably mafia

You quoted me giving a summary of Ydrasse and SirCakez. Nowhere in the post you had quoted did I suggest that I wanted to vote SirCakez

You made this post:

Ydrasse points against SirCakez:
o Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
o Their interaction with Pooky is suspicious because they avoided talking about the miller claim to "get into the game", and they would do so as town
o They are being obtuse in their interaction with Ydrasse and missing the point on purpose, including misrepping what Ydrasse is saying


SirCakez points against Ydrasse:
o Their interactions with elle (1L) on page 8 are informed
o Their responses to SirCakez's questions are bad and Ydrasse would have better arguments as town

what are your thoughts about a Cakez vote?

And I don't think the post you quoted is showing suspicion on SirCakez.

I think you used my response to you asking if I would vote SirCakez as your reason to point towards me suspecting SirCakez after the fact, which doesn't make sense.

this is a good Dunn post - 523 doesn't compute. The "being reluctant to put down a vote on Cakez" point is bad because GL is guilty of the exact same thing. I also don't really believe that GL had that sort of nullscummish read on Dunn from his earlier posts.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[SirCakez]

Except of whether Sircakez is or is not a misanthrope. Which is the actual case before the court. And this mafia game is just a pretext for that.

i do like the show House so maybe there's something there

[SirCakez]

kinda wack that Ydra went AWOL as soon as wagon attention moved elsewhere

[SirCakez]

kinda wack that Ydra went AWOL as soon as wagon attention moved elsewhere

... was it not her birthday yesterday?

this is opportunistic shade
and it also feels like your vote on me is just a chainsaw for catboi

oh right that did get mentioned
ok yeah that's not valid

well you'd be surprised to learn I also am considering voting Catboi

[SirCakez]

catboi the reason I was/am considering voting you is because your reaction to the recent pressure on you has felt off tonally, it feels like way more concerned with the votes then I feel like you'd normally respond as town. I mean just look at the last two pages - I feel like that claim was really dramatic and unprompted and it doesn't feel organic.

[SirCakez]

man where's cakeboi I want to fight with him over something stupid I miss doing that

why'd you claim miller i can't do anything like this

is this tmiing that im town miller lol

lol I already said earlier im not dealing with Miller claims today

[SirCakez]

I was looking at his posts on page 22, his interactions with Luke and GL did not feel great to me

[SirCakez]

As for me "not actively trying to sort you" - you weren't here, dude. What are you expecting me to do when you're not posting in the game? Why do you think I didn't just vote you? I mean, probably because I'm still trying to sort you?

As for me "not actively trying to sort you" - you weren't here, dude. What are you expecting me to do when you're not posting in the game? Why do you think I didn't just vote you? I mean, probably because I'm still trying to sort you?

like these are just gut feels really but this kinda felt like scum indignance at being pushed for something he thinks is NAI

Not primarily real time, more of a "wait and see" player. You were absent for a day and the most relevant stuff was seeing how you would respond to luke and what you'd do after that. I certainly don't feel like me voting you would have helped anything and I had nothing in particular I wanted to ask you.

I dunno, you're free to choose to not believe me if you want. I'm not that worried because I don't think I'll actually go over today. If you actually want to figure out if my read is genuine, ask me questions about it?

here's another example, this is one of those vibes where i can't really describe it that well, but like stuff like "you're free to choose not to believe me if you want" feels like such a weird thing to say from a catboi town PoV where he has indicated some suspicion of GL already

[SirCakez]

but this is tough because I don't think catboi/GL make any sense as scum together and I also find things independently scummy from GL

[SirCakez]

As for me "not actively trying to sort you" - you weren't here, dude. What are you expecting me to do when you're not posting in the game? Why do you think I didn't just vote you? I mean, probably because I'm still trying to sort you?

Now, GL gets a pass for this because he doesn't know my scumgame and is making the common fallacy that me lacking energy is a scumtell. But you - you've seen my scumgame. Do you think I, at any time as scum, come across as dispassionate? As lacking the will to put conviction behind a push?

like these are just gut feels really but this kinda felt like scum indignance at being pushed for something he thinks is NAI

Not primarily real time, more of a "wait and see" player. You were absent for a day and the most relevant stuff was seeing how you would respond to luke and what you'd do after that. I certainly don't feel like me voting you would have helped anything and I had nothing in particular I wanted to ask you.

I dunno, you're free to choose to not believe me if you want. I'm not that worried because I don't think I'll actually go over today. If you actually want to figure out if my read is genuine, ask me questions about it?

here's another example, this is one of those vibes where i can't really describe it that well, but like stuff like "you're free to choose not to believe me if you want" feels like such a weird thing to say from a catboi town PoV where he has indicated some suspicion of GL already

EBWOP - had one quote twice

[SirCakez]

but this is tough because I don't think catboi/GL make any sense as scum together and I also find things independently scummy from GL

How is that tough? Just kill the one you suspect more of being scum individually.

its tough because i find them independently scummy but them not being SvS means even if I'm right there's still another scum out there and I just keep going through the playerlist and being like who tf is scum this game

we have:
pooky and meuh the miller claims
luke who claimed pr
ydra who im really stuck with and keep going back and forth on
dunn who I think is playing like town here
and then you and honestly I don't know what to think about you this game Bell but I wouldn't vote you today

[SirCakez]

no but i would just feel better about my reads lol

[SirCakez]

(I also feel like there are easy answers to your proposed dilemma given your reads, like Ydra as a partner to one of them, or me possibly having fake claimed due to pressure)

yeah but im really torn on my Ydra read one way or the other and your claim is just not gonna be touched until massclaim or some CC most likely

[SirCakez]

welp

[SirCakez]

yeah I'll stick with GL rn

[SirCakez]

And yes Peta I've enjoyed playing with you this game and I'm sorry if I contributed to the unpleasant atmosphere

[SirCakez]

yeah I'll stick with GL rn

Why?

i can't see myself voting that slot anymore today
I guess the other option would be like Ydrasse but I don't really want to vote there either

[SirCakez]

Do you have any other thoughts right now Sircakez?

perhaps

[SirCakez]

But I wish to hold on to them for now

[SirCakez]

K, jsyk, that approach is going to make me scum read you harder, esp now that I don't think it's GL.

You've been doing that all game so I don't see how anything changes

[SirCakez]

Does GL/Ydra make sense?? Is that a thing?

[SirCakez]

But also the more I think about it idk if Prism if enough of a troll to put two millers in one game and that means there's probably scum in there
Blegh

[SirCakez]

Cakez are you scum

is there ever a right answer to this question lmao

[SirCakez]

The thing is though, Cakez didn't really seem to express an SR on catboi until a wagon was becoming viable.

well obviously because catboi didn't become scummy until a wagon formed on him

[SirCakez]

pretty sure i'm at e-2

[SirCakez]

Cakez are you scum

is there ever a right answer to this question lmao

If there is one, it's definitely not this
VOTE: SirCakez

lame af

[SirCakez]

actually no Bell is on me ofc lol so E-1

[SirCakez]

i dunno
this game is really difficult and i feel like i'm ending as a PoE elim here because i haven't been able to make myself explicitly town which like yes that hasn't been my goal this game and i'm also trying not to resort to AtE because that just ends up toxic most of the time for me. ive been focused on trying to solve this mess and it very obviously has been difficult. i used to flip my lid when i got wagoned and mislimmed early because like it would happen every other game. but that's not how i'm gonna try to get out of this here.

[SirCakez]

actually no Bell is on me ofc lol so E-1

I thought you were on E-2?
Bell's voting Ydra, I'm pretty sure.

oh, i didn't see the shift

Though, Ydra was interested in voting you.

yeah this is the dilemma catboi ended up in where he only had two votes I think but enough people were like "i'd vote him" that he felt a lot more pressure than that. or so he claimed at least.

[SirCakez]

Prod received
I think I kind of believe Ydra's PR softing? Enough to where I don't want to vote her today. So that's just leaving me with GL.

[SirCakez]

fuck this game is so hard
every time i form a scumread on someone they give me a reason to think they are town

[SirCakez]

From her interactions from catboi, I got the sense that Ydra was softing some sort of vengeful ability. If that's what Cakez thinks as well, and he's scum and she's town and telling the truth, this seems like it could be a convenient excuse to avoid voting her and thus putting himself at risk.

I did not have that impression at all, I just thought it was some sort of PR. and now she's just claiming VT anyways so.

[SirCakez]

Ydra I don't understand why you softed all the "don't pressure me to claim" stuff if you're just VT. Can you explain the thought process here?

[SirCakez]

i wasnt claiming venge and i think all of this like. stuff about it feels like wolves trying to react to something that literally isn't there

like this doesn't feel good. i think pretty much everyone in this game had the impression ydrasse was softing PR. to claim it was wolves pretending something was there feels disingenuous.

[SirCakez]

did everyone actually have that impression tho lol

i mean i did and i'm absolutely illiterate when it comes to softclaims so i feel like if i noticed it anyone could

also i do this like most games
its pretty song and dance, pressure doesnt really do a lot to me and i function better as town without it

i don't really buy this meta excuse - you fake-softclaim a PR most games?

[SirCakez]

fuck this game is so hard
every time i form a scumread on someone they give me a reason to think they are town

fake

it wasnt tho

[SirCakez]

im going to be blunt
its literally your fault if you made the assumption that it was a pr claim, i did nothing here in my opinion that should have made it seem like it was one
and now youre getting suspicious. because of something you literally like assumed. not my fault and if you want to punish me (if youre town) for your own shortcoming there i shrug at you
as wolf i think youre burning credit to go down this line tho so shrug x2

you're telling me these posts that repeatedly mention claiming your role "if I have to" don't seem like a PR soft to you?

im also happy to claim both my flavor and my role because like ya we can run through that group of people and we are hitting 2 mafia almost always i think everyone else should be fine

luke can also track in that pool, i think he is probably town but it's hard to tell atm and i think 2-shot tracker is a fairly safe claim to claim because it gives you the easiest room to lie about what people do if you have something like a rolecop or what have you floating around

eugh
if i’m being limmed like with decent certainty i’ll claim but with two already out there i’m unwilling to do so otherwise
however i have been playing too much wow and not thinking about this game because it’s hard as the kids say

i think my vote would have always gone to rh9 but given recent events i will give the slot a day 1 pass but nothing more

also i’m about to go against my stance as emotion whisperer but i don’t think we should uh. strongly use people’s feelings in recent pages this game as alignment proof none of it felt really towny or wolfy to me

more importantly is what would town ydra do because im about to BLOW EVERYONES MINDS
(sorry for not like. playing. i maybe shouldnt have joined because im burned out on this game buuuuut... it is what it is. also ive been playing wow. hi.)

(i will claim if i have to.)

i mean if i'm totally wrong here people can chime in and tell me but this just seems like obvious to me

[SirCakez]

601 you say you are happy to claim

832 and 880 complete 180, say twice (in different ways but same meaning) that you only want to claim if you have to from pressure

893 suddenly wolves are making stuff up and you're just VT

it just seems really inconsistent too

[SirCakez]

thinking about hammering but not going to do it yet

[SirCakez]

When I looked back at the people shifting on Catboi, I felt like you were Really Loud And Confident on the scum read on him, in a way that I would not super expect from scum taking advantage -- while Cakez felt like he was trying to manufacture a progression via his "I'm thinking about voting catboi" line, and then his reasons behind that comment did not line up with the timeline of the thread all that well.

i explained the exact posts and page that my progression on Catboi slot came from - what doesn't line up?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: meuh
I don't think there are two millers this game. Stuff isn't adding up.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: meuh
I don't think there are two millers this game. Stuff isn't adding up.

What isn't adding up?

the setup

[SirCakez]

Why do people object to my Meuh vote

[SirCakez]

We had Ydra flip town and I was looking at my remaining PoE. If somehow Luke, Pooky and Meuh are all town then that means both scum are in Dunn, RH9, GL which really doesn't feel right to me because I really town read catbois end posting, Dunn has felt town to me all game. GL is plausibly scum, definitely worse then the other two and I did have a strong SR there at one point yesterday but his progression reading over my alignment and at EoD yesterday read town to me so I'm torn now like I was with Ydrasse which ultimately did end up being town. So that leads me back to Luke and the millers. The tracker claim is better than two millers with no CC and Meuh definitely has been scummier then pooky this game. I think if I look back through day one and remove the Miller town lens over a lot of that posting it really doesn't feel town like several other players do to me

[SirCakez]

I'm even more suspicious as Luke has claimed he found yet another PR, which, two millers, another visiting PR, Luke and my role seems absurd. We should probably mass claim, someone in the PR claims is lying.

[SirCakez]

and Meuhs response to my vote on her claiming that I "didn't mourn Ydrasse" like what?? How does that make me scum? even pooky said that was ridiculous

[SirCakez]

there's also a chance, if Luke is legit, that whoever he tracked was visiting scum using some kind of scum or like rolecop or roleblock

I just see no way there were only two VTs this game

[SirCakez]

Like I did the math
I'm not a VT, to clarify what I've been alluding to. So if all the PR claims + Luke's track PR are legit that would make the setup

Ydrasse VT
Bell VT
Pooky Miller
Meuh Miller
Luke 2shot Tracker
Me non-VT
Whoever Luke tracked visiting someone
Scum
Scum

That doesn't look like a legit setup to me, thus why I think in the PR claims there are scum, either whoever Luke tracked or in the millers or potentially Luke himself. Like was said we can check him now with his claimed target.

[SirCakez]

i can't believe prism is that troll mod who put two millers in a game with a tracker

[SirCakez]

Pooky if we're both actually town this game and figured it out this early that would be crazyy

[SirCakez]

luke bruh

[SirCakez]

are there reasons scum would visit a town tracker that isn't rolecop or roleblock

[SirCakez]

Pooky why aren't you sus of Meuh

[SirCakez]

okay so if Dunn flips scum she's next

[SirCakez]

i can't believe anything after i vigged a scum with their buddy helping ;_;

[SirCakez]

lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: rh9
our work here is done

[SirCakez]

i am also going to bed
wow pooky we are like synced this game this is some sci fi shit

[SirCakez]

Wow, how crazy that you are both going to bed when it is between 10:30 PM to 1:30 AM in the US.

What *are* the odds that you would both be going to bed right now?

It might just blow your mind to learn, that I am posting this while lying in my bed for the night too.

hey hey don't sell us short it was 1:20-1:21 AM, your time period is too big

[SirCakez]

I find it really hard to believe that RH9 was reaction testing

[SirCakez]

????

[SirCakez]

idk something about RH9 being SO honest about his VT slip almost makes me think it actually was town?? Like this is some shit I'd pull after forgetting half my role or something and slipping. I just don't even know what to make of this.

[SirCakez]

I'm a 1-shot roleblocker, so Dunn's claim does line up. But I think this many PR claims means at least one is scum

[SirCakez]

I feel like its better for town if I don't reveal that

[SirCakez]

I think there's one scum in RH9/GL and one in Luke/Dunn/Meuh

[SirCakez]

I'm the career services dean

[SirCakez]

Dunn I agree the three of us are town. That means probably one scum in the two VT claims and one in the millers. I currently think Meuh and going back and forth on RH9 and GL.

[SirCakez]

To the scum pt probably

[SirCakez]

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

[SirCakez]

Also him being 1-shot aligns with me too

[SirCakez]

I think we should eliminate in the Miller or VT claims today

[SirCakez]

Because we hadn't mass claimed yet

[SirCakez]

I wasn't really sure about the setup at that point, I was spitballing

[SirCakez]

I'm still not really sure lol but at least we have more info now

[SirCakez]

I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

what do you mean you guess? the alternative is you lol

[SirCakez]

VT
VT
VT
Miller
2S Tracker
1S RB
1S Doc
Scum
Scum

Looks like a real setup to me

[SirCakez]

If both scum are in the PR/Miller claims then that would make both GL and RH9 town and I find that very hard to believe lol

[SirCakez]

@Dunn

this is what SirCakez said:

I'm even more suspicious as Luke has claimed he found yet another PR, which, two millers, another visiting PR, Luke and my role seems absurd. We should probably mass claim,

someone in the PR claims is lying.

then you claim doctor and he evolves to this:

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

seems like he doesn't want to piss you off by doubting your claim

What changed here?
By PR claims I mean all non-VTs, if that clarifies

[SirCakez]

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

Also is town rber not functionally a protective role? It differs in how it's used but a doctor and an rber are both trying to stop the NK

Yeah but there's no power to directly protect a claimed PR like Cop. That's how I differentiate. RBer is more like..general utility

[SirCakez]

either

1) Cakez just trueclaimed his role as a scum RB

Do you thing scum rb cakez would choose to not roleblock me night 1 after I claimed tracker day 1?

I think if it's Cakez + one of the miller claims then yes, as a claimed miller could safely make a kill

This posits both scum in the PR/Miller claims @Mwuh

[SirCakez]

I've already said I think one scum is in the VTs and one is in the not-VTs

[SirCakez]

I've already said I think one scum is in the VTs and one is in the not-VTs

I think there's a wide difference between VT/miller and VT/PR for team composition, though. The second option is much more likely imo

Why? I don't understand why you aren't suspicious of Pooky here, he is of you

[SirCakez]

I really can't see myself voting Dunn today his claim is town and his play is town, to me

[SirCakez]

I'd vote any of GL/RH9/Meuh

[SirCakez]

Yeah I'm down to yeet RH9 slot. I think I'm still voting there too?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: meuh whatever i feel like this is the best shot of hitting scum rn
GL vs RH9 feels like a coinflip
Pooky has read very town to me for pretty much the whole game
And then I've already talked about why I think Luke and Dunn are town

[SirCakez]

hi alisae are you scum

[SirCakez]

I wish we would hammer I don't think there's much more solving to be done here without a flip

[SirCakez]

I'd rather just lim Meuh there's any number of reasons to explain what's going on with the votes here
I see more explanations for RH9 town then Meuh town

[SirCakez]

It could very easily just be Meuh/RH9 too, that seems like the most obvious explanation to me

[SirCakez]

But I'd rather do Meuh first because I think that gives us more info then RH9 slot and Meuh is also going to be harder to elim in later game while pretty much everyone SRs the RH9 slot

[SirCakez]

@Dunn, Cakez, and GL -- thoughts on Ali's catch up?

Not great. The push on Pooky feels really weird in particular like I don't think anybody else thinks he's scum.

[SirCakez]

close to hammering alisaee

[SirCakez]

okay then can we kill Meuh pls

[SirCakez]

SirCakez what do you have to say about 1460?

Not really anything I haven't already said and honestly at this point I don't really care between the two of them

[SirCakez]

Okay if y'all think it's Ali/me then let's elim Ali pls at this point I just want flip
I should have just hammered last night but I was baked and got paranoid it was the wrong move

[SirCakez]

I really don't understand what Luke has been trying to get at with his whole PoV argument with me and why I went for Meuh first like it really was not thought through this much, I find both Meuh and RH9 slot scummy, I really don't care that much who goes first

[SirCakez]

yeah the self vote makes me want to hammer but not yet like closer to deadline

[SirCakez]

VOTE: alisae

[SirCakez]

It's gotta be GL/Meuh right

[SirCakez]

GL is the way to go today I think though, now that we know that Ali/rh9 was town

[SirCakez]

I'm holding that info til everyone checks in

[SirCakez]

I don't have an issue with it when all of the roles are so limited

[SirCakez]

And look at the Luke flip. It lines up with Dunn and I's claims.

[SirCakez]

I'm still leaning towards my Meuh/Dunn theory but that opening is not good Cakez

Also this is so obviously telegraphing a move later and feels like a manufactured trajectory

[SirCakez]

And look at the Luke flip. It lines up with Dunn and I's claims.

In what way does Luke’s flip change anything that was literally his claim

Yeah but a flip confirms that, altho it was very unlikely he could have been lying

[SirCakez]

I'm still leaning towards my Meuh/Dunn theory but that opening is not good Cakez

Also this is so obviously telegraphing a move later and feels like a manufactured trajectory

?? What an I telegraphing? I'm town and the first thing you said today is you want to lim me, that's Not Good especially when Meuh was your preferred lim yesterday

I've said for a while I think one scum in VT claims, one scum in PR claims. The other VT claim died. Doesn't really leave other options for scum in the VT claims!

[SirCakez]

I still don't think it's Dunn

[SirCakez]

If I was scum I wouldn't have made a wack ass fake claim like 1-shot RB I would have just claimed VT lol

[SirCakez]

I dunno I just have this sneaking suspicion in the back of my head that SirCakez has way too much trust of me because when that dude is town he has like massive paranoia of me nonstop all the time so the fact that none of that seems to be present feels like he's maybe putting on the performance of a lifetime to finally get revenge on me for that time we were vig extraordinaires together

Would it help alleviate your paranoia to know I roleblocked you last night <3

[SirCakez]

look at this cheeky scumfuck coming to taunt me

if you're mafia I hope you know this will never happen again so I hope you enjoy the feeling while it lasts

DW I'm town so I think most likely we are both suffering rn

[SirCakez]

the reason I went for the Pooky roleblock was kinda a YOLO move, I was trying to be unpredictable since obviously mafia knew it was coming and with Alisae town flip I thought maybe there was a chance Pooky was scum and he'd be the one doing the kill since in thread I'd had Pooky as a top TR the whole game so the Mafia wouldn't expect me to roleblock him

But obviously it did jack shit

[SirCakez]

And now Pookys posts today have felt hella town so I'm back to square one

[SirCakez]

I think Meuh is the most likely scum flip rn

[SirCakez]

Because I wanted to holster thought I'd have a better shot later if we managed to yeet a scum day two

[SirCakez]

how do you distinguish a guilty from scum deciding to nokill on n2

I was hoping to hold my claim off so that scum wouldn't have a reason to nokill

[SirCakez]

Kinda think we should just dunk Meuh today, all four of us have her on all of our theoretical scum teams and so if she's town this game is just over already. Don't really want to spin wheels when that's pretty much the only place I see us ending up.

[SirCakez]

im not bussing ffs

[SirCakez]

my scum bussing meta is long dead anyways that was like 2021 era cakez

[SirCakez]

maybe stoned cakez can solve this game

[SirCakez]

OKAY SO

[SirCakez]

Here's my thing

[SirCakez]

We have established that two millers in this setup would just be absurd and that one of the two is likely scum

Pooky has just felt town AF to me all game, his treatment/paranoia of me right now is insanely town, like he has been so genuine with me this game from his town Pooky PoV that I find it like impossible to believe he could be scum next to Meuh who has felt like maybe null town at best to me at points, but compared to Pooky no way.

Dunn I have thought was town pretty much this whole game from play alone. Bringing his claim into it would pretty much make me never want to elim him in any situation but right now because the alternative is Pooky or GL. The 1-shot Doctor just makes so much sense with the tracker and me and I almost feel like I have a mind meld with him about the pr claims. GL I have thought was scummy for the good second half of the game, but I'm getting torn now because his appeals to me today have felt genuinely townie, like he was legit trying to save the game for town kinda vibe. That said Dunns towniness and claim might top that for me.

These are the kinda arguments I'm thinking about rn. I think there is a strong chance it really is just as simple as GL and Meuh and Pooky and Dunn and I are just getting too paranoid of each other. The other scum would obviously be bussing at this point so I'm not considering the unanimity of it weird. I think we just have to vote Meuh and pray here.

[SirCakez]

you need a refund from your dealer you dont sound stoned at all homie

That was my stoned stream of consciousness!

[SirCakez]

also not voting yet but I feel this vote is encouraging

[SirCakez]

im around not hammering w GL

[SirCakez]

Pooky/Cakez
Cakez/GL
Pooky/GL

teams are all impossible

[SirCakez]

Pooky why can't u just accept I'm town this game and stop being paranoid. We were on a wavelength earlier and I think we both realize it's pretty clearly not you who's the scum miller claim

[SirCakez]

ohhhhh okay
ill just chill over here

[SirCakez]

aaaAAah Cakez how sure are you that Pooky is town

like on a scale of 1 to 10

do you think he is trying to bait me into voting Meuh here

Like 8 or 9 prolly

[SirCakez]

Not hammering

[SirCakez]

Pooks I'm pretty much ready to hammer Meuh, GL's Dunn arguments were not convincing to me and that bridge can be crossed tmrw anyways

[SirCakez]

it wouldnt be a hammer king

I'm assuming you would vote there if we go for it

[SirCakez]

Cakez what about them was unconvincing??

or like, is there some specific reason you're seeing me as scum besides believing Dunn's claim / POE?

Pooky is right that your progressions today don't feel real. I think he's dead on that you're stuck right now.

[SirCakez]

im not going to lie im really worried meuh is just afk town

i mean Dunn has snowed me before but this to me really just seems like a case of we are paranoid-ing ourselves to pieces
i mean fuck if i know, watch us hammer meuh and give the game to gl and dunn

[SirCakez]

meuh cakes has said he will vote you soon

regardless of who you think is mafia between me and guiltylion, you dont think cakes/dunn is a viable team so cakes voting you if you're town is the end of the game if you are town.

so i dont understand why you seem to be ok with it and you are not trying in any way to convince cakes that you are town.

like this kind of logic is exactly what i think is going on here. meuh and gl just seem a lot more apathetic about the gamestate then i should think they would be as town rn.

[SirCakez]

and it seems very suspicious that meuh is just accepting there are two millers this game apparently???

[SirCakez]

How is 1-shot RB, 1-shot Doc, 2-shot Tracker less believable than two Millers and 2-shot Tracker

[SirCakez]

I'm not voting yet, we can keep discussing a few more days. Not getting pressured into voting early again..

[SirCakez]

Ok so Pooky is conftown that means he's the legit miller so we should kill Meuh now
That seems more confscum then GL

[SirCakez]

I'm here kinda just chilling and thinking per pookys advice to not give scum info

[SirCakez]

VOTE: meuh
I've been pretty set on this like all day

[SirCakez]

Either this is scum or we are in a troll two millers one tracker setup and I don't think Prism is that mod

[SirCakez]

at least something happens either we got one or it's over

[SirCakez]

If it was GL/Dunn well played you two
Or fucking Pooky somehow

[SirCakez]

If we lost also wtf prism why did you do this to us

[SirCakez]

Fuckkkk Pooky I was thinking so hard about voting GL
But I got stuck in the two millers

[SirCakez]

Maybe the hammer wasn't scum? We were all kinda set on Meuh at that point

[SirCakez]

maybe somedayy

[SirCakez]

I can never be allowed in LiLo again

[SirCakez]

lol luv ya cakez

never change

<3
Now the team everyone really needs to fear is when we are both scum...muahaha

[SirCakez]

agh

[SirCakez]

this one hurts so bad Pooky and I made the only incorrect lim choice

[SirCakez]

gg and wp scum

[SirCakez]

Dunn snowed me all game
wtf
he can't keep getting away with this