Last time I played with her, she left the site (or almost left the site?) because she was tired of the paranoia following her around because of her scum game. I doubt she has enough confidence or desire to play around that paranoia when it's correct/deal with the added pressure of getting lynched.
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Last time I played with her, she left the site (or almost left the site?) because she was tired of the paranoia following her around because of her scum game. I doubt she has enough confidence or desire to play around that paranoia when it's correct/deal with the added pressure of getting lynched."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Keeping the thread short and parsable is going to be important as hell to securing a town win: spamming the shit out of it and chucklefucking in the usual style is going to discourage the legendary scumhunters from posting more, which means less cool scumhunting if they're town or less opportunities to catch them if they're scum. Normally, I wouldn't be so stick up the ass boring but I want a perfect town win and you want a perfect town win and we're not going to get it if we alienate everyone else."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 41, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 37, Empire wrote:Vote: Metal Sonic
In post 18, Metal Sonic wrote:i looked at this playerlist and i decided to not put any tokens lol
Playerlists were revealed after token submissions and alignments were assigned. So how did you come to assign your tokens after the fact?
(Nacho, you better be town here and make this way easier for me.)
In post 398, Metal Sonic wrote:i spent 5 tokens on game selection and my team got all our desired games.
cause i had no more tokens left to spend
Honesty is the best policy, especially when you're absolutely horrible at lying!"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 48, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 46, Empire wrote:This does not resolve the dissonance here. Your phrasing in #18 says that the playerlist was a direct cause of your assignation of tokens. I'm saying that's impossible because the playerlist was the last bit of information we got.
dude i used "and" not "so".
its a coordinating conjunction not a subordinating conjunction.
its not a subordinate clause. semantically i could go anal but im not that kind of person.
so...
i guess i will have to admit
that I lied! tee hee!!!
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In post 57, Empire wrote:Hmmm,Nacho, why did interject regarding Grey's vote on Sotty before she'd posted?
I'm not interested in seeing it become a major point of discussion because it's a line of thought that's going to leave Grey tied up with stupid shit and Sotty annoyed with Grey, which will make them less effective as town and won't really end up putting either of them in a position that's even mildly uncomfortable if scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 135, ZZZX wrote:In post 112, Sotty7 wrote:In post 25, ZZZX wrote:my goal right now is to build a town bloc of any size. if we get that in a nightless its basically impossible to lose
I like this thinking. There are several players I am more than willing to bloc up with. (Hoopla, ABR, Nacho, Empire)
In post 28, Metal Sonic wrote:yea the activity is digustingly low for a game start
Well I work all day in a job where I have no internet access. Expect my posting to be around this time every evening, weekends are more accessible.
In post 33, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Last time I played with her, she left the site (or almost left the site?) because she was tired of the paranoia following her around because of her scum game. I doubt she has enough confidence or desire to play around that paranoia when it's correct/deal with the added pressure of getting lynched.
Yeah this is true. I've pretty much stopped playing for the most part unless I get the itch and find a game/player list I really like the look of. I'm playing in Team Mafia because our team won all our games in the last one but were only beaten by The Captains on points so Zor gave us an auto in for this one.
In post 43, Metal Sonic wrote:i want to know if Hoopla can be considered a "legendary scumhunter"
lol
I like ZZZX a lot. My strongest town read at this point. Actively searching and making some good points (#82 wegurts discrepancy in voting ABR and not GreyICE) and his idea to form a voting bloc is something I'm all about
ABR is also probably town here. Passion in his posts. If he isn't it will show over time, he becomes extremely apathetic when scum.
Empire can be town also for post 105. Thinking the same thing.
Vote: GreyICE
Because "tokens" is bullshit and voting me over Hoopla in that respect is even worse.
In post 114, Sotty7 wrote:You claimed to be voting me because I was likely to use tokens to make myself scum. That is untrue, it is pretty well known I favor town if any tokens were to be spent on me it would be in that direction as Nacho hinted at. Not only that but you said that Hoopla was more likely to push a token scum draw than myself yet your vote is on me. Why me over her? You're going after the weaker of the two options you listed for yourself and that's not the GreyICE I remember at all.
Allow me to ask...
Why?
I hate pointless votes without explanation at this stage of game. There are a few wagons that actually somewhat started but yet you are here contributing ... nothing with this vote? not even any kind of reasoning?
your town points in my opinion just went down a bit
Sotty wagon isn't a wagon. I'm giving GreyICE time to follow his line of thought since he seems town and Sorry doesn't yet seem town, but his reasoning doesn't excite me or interest me in any shape or form, thus probably not gonna sheep there.
Metal Sonic wagon seems decent I guess? His posting outside of the lying for no reason seems fine, but I'm not particularly inclined to pursue that lying line while I am still posting on a phone and can't really efficiently quote things.
If there's another wagon, didn't notice.
I'm joining ABR on Silverwolf because those two posts lacked any sort of personality at all: they sounded like Microsoft Sam in written form, and that's not what I expected to read out of Silverwolf this game. It does make sense for nervous scum at this juncture."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 150, GreyICE wrote:Words from the peanut gallery are, to paraphrase: Empire likes playing as town and this looks like town empire, and:
In post 114, Sotty7 wrote:You claimed to be voting me because I was likely to use tokens to make myself scum. That is untrue, it is pretty well known I favor town if any tokens were to be spent on me it would be in that direction as Nacho hinted at. Not only that but you said that Hoopla was more likely to push a token scum draw than myself yet your vote is on me.Why me over her?You're going after the weaker of the two options you listed for yourself and that's not the GreyICE I remember at all.
Well, "why me..." (finishing the quote should be left as an exercise to the reader) Nacho, I know you subscribe, what do you think now?
This wgeurts/Metal Sonic shit is rubbing me super duper wrong.
I don't think that you're intepreting her post correctly, but I'd rather leave her to clarify."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Empire, we used 2 tokens toward town in this game, one token towards town everywhere else.
I also have ZZZX/wgeurts as unshakeable town reads at this point, and I'm pretty sure that Silverwolf will flip scum when we lynch her: Llamarble brought up the possibility first and he was 100% correct."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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That means I disagree!
He said that normally clashes end in the mislynch of either wgeurts or ABR. Why do you think scum-wg thinks he can clash with town-ABR and win?
Provoking him out of his playstyle was making a concentrated effort to read him so that he didn't accidentally mislynch him again, which is a fine continuation of thought from the original read.
I'm looking at the trajectory of his read on you now."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 123, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, Empire and Nacho are all town.
ABR my gut says is town.
MS I'm taking others words for him being town until I see him giving some content that says otherwise.
This isn't a strong townread."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If I said I knew what you were trying to say with the first question, I'd be a dirty dirty liar. Llamarble felt that the token lying was scummy but feels he's said some good :town: things with questionable bits mixed in, and fferys still pissed at you because you snubbed her earlier."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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if you mean why did I take a different approach than I did initially, my initial response was an emotional one and probably not the best move. grey's gonna do what grey's gonna do and Sotty can handle herself just fine."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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What do you think about Silverwolf and why aren't we lynching her together? I stayed up so long for you to show up and I have to admit I was just a little bit disappointed with you still making that push. Just a little bit, though."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 178, Empire wrote:Did Llamarble elaborate on the :town: things in your PT?
No, but they should be pretty obvious!"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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For me, the metal sonic case is missing an answer to the whole "why would he lie?" question, although random posts grind my gears for some reason."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Earnest tone in his cases is pretty fucking good + reach out to me and legendary scumhunter greyice seems pretty dank genuine, off the top of my head."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 182, Empire wrote:In post 181, Nachomamma8 wrote:For me, the metal sonic case is missing an answer to the whole "why would he lie?" question, although random posts grind my gears for some reason.
Does Metal Sonic prefer being scum?
No."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Sorry for being contrary guys!
I still think wolf slot is a fine vote, although a bit less so.
Sotty, unfortunately, is forming up to be an ok vote at this stage.
Seraphim is a great vote.
I'd like to bring Sotty into the game at this point because I find I do best when I have a couple of sounding boards in thread to work with and now that Empire's gone, Sotty is probably the player I feel the most comfortable with, but I'd like her in the game and talking about things instead of letting Grey dictate interactions and her just sitting on the peripheral.
I also love Hoopla's entrance in a "good player" sort of way, although the Eddie vote doesn't seem like the strongest direction we can take at this stage."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 516, Metal Sonic wrote:I want your thoughts on the following players:
Seraphim
GreyICE
Albert B. rampage
Any updates on your wgeurts read?
If members on your team (including ffery) could chip in that'll be great!
I think all of these people are town.
I think Hoopla is scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And, if you're going to be sensitive to playing by proxy, then don't wait on Empire to push a read on me. If you wait for Empire to substantiate the read, then I'm probably going to deal with Empire's read. If you push the read yourself, then I will deal with your read."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The vengeful plan is dumb, don't actually think we are going to have too many town lynches.
Scum group looks like {Sotty, Hoopla, Kagami, Seraphim}"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And yeah, I know I just said Seraphim looked town, but I'm reviewing that town read as we speak: his passion posting was good, but I don't think it's enough to make him town town"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Grey has fallen on the right side of the tracks enough times where it makes him very strongly town if my current view of the game is even sort of correct. His posting so far has been very solid overall: there are certain pushes of his that I don't get that excited about but his heart is in the right place."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Eddie's tone is absolutely fantastic, in love with it. Consistent passion is great, can't really see him not being scum in most worlds and would probably put him in the town block if there was just a *tiny* bit more from him."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Seraphim/Zar is where the most doubt lies, by far. Empire wasn't that town when he posted and now he's gone forever, Seraphim has made a bunch of good votes early game and has :goodposted: in several places."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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So, now that I've found a measure of confidence, I'm probably going to push strong for a lynch in {Kagami, Hoopla} but would be open to Sotty lynch as of this moment. I'm also sorry for all the spam, I have absolutely no idea how long I will be able to post and am also posting on mobile, so just posting complete thoughts as I'm forming them."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 619, EddieFenix wrote:Why Kagami scum, Nacho?
Did actually think Silverwolf sucked, Kagami came in and played the whole "oh I'm ok with lynching Sotty if we do the vengeful plan even though I doubt anyone will follow it" angle, and also has been parking vote on GreyICE for reasons that didn't have the same passion your vote did."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And reasons that are also just garbage: "scum caught for the wrong reasons" and "why me = fry me" are GI staples, so criticizing him for them while pretending to have familiarity with him as a player is bleh."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 573, EddieFenix wrote:Who's replacing out. Sotty is town and apart of our ideal town block (MS, Kagami, ZZZX, Zar, and Myself).
Why not wgeurts?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Sotty:
I haven't played my normal game because of the nature of the game/playerlist, not for any shitty "Team Mafia" reasons. In this type of game, it's important to either A) form a strong town block of people and push the rest of the game out, or B) find two or three scum early game, run them into the ground, then let paranoia run a bit more rampant once you've built a comfortable lead. I'm hoping to do a combination of both approaches, but needed time to form more solid reads and see where the lines in the sand started forming before I got involved myself."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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First quote:
Kagami finds it a point that Grey is scum for criticizing Sotty's town block options when that was clearly a misunderstanding. There is absolutely no reason to misrep someone when the counter is so easy and obvious. She gives Hoopla a strong town read because Hoopla understands optimal strategy (null), which is a strong point towards them being partners. She tried to clear Hoopla from being a Sotty-partner because she voted Sotty, which is trash and terrible. The "pathetic and a liar" posting and the "legendary scum player" point is also really, really weak: telling someone they're playing poorly while you're pushing them as scum is part of the game, regardless of how much you respect them."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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What is your personal read on wgeurts? Also talk to Mollie about ABR: she realizes how worn out he's been as scum lately and how dramatically this game contrasts from something like Curse of the Werewolves. He belongs in your town block."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 612, Nachomamma8 wrote:Metal Sonic/wgeurts/ZZZX/ABR
ZZZX, what do you think of this town block?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 639, Metal Sonic wrote:Having wgeurts in the town block instead of zar is pretty contrarian! I would really appreciate it if you could give the distinction: why wgeurts? Why not zar? Why wgeurts over zar?
3 questions with detailed answers please!
Why not Zar? Zar hasn't done anything vaguely townish. He's made a weak push on me, then disappeared.
Meanwhile, Empire made a couple good posts but his main push was on town (you). It's also been proven in ASOIAF that scum-Empire can make a couple good posts and it's making consistent town posts that separates town game from scum game."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Wgeurts has had fantastic aggression this entire game, comes across as incredibly genuine in points like #438, #478, and has an impressive body of work in a game with a strong playerlist when he doesn't actually have any sort of scum game at all."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Sotty: When was there a point in the game where "lynch Sotty, follow the plan" actually seemed like a real thing that anyone was doing? If I was scum Grey pushing for your lynch, I don't think there would be any point where I would be afraid of your townflip. What do you think of my towngroup other than Metal Sonic? Why do you find Metal Sonic scummy (aka is it just incorrect reasoning? You don't get an extremely genuine vibe from his posts at all?)."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 540, Zar wrote:In post 537, Nachomamma8 wrote:He was talking, and then he wasn't talking.
Why do you think my read changed, Zar?
Basically, you responded this to Metal Sonic's question:
In post 518, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 516, Metal Sonic wrote:I want your thoughts on the following players:
Seraphim
GreyICE
Albert B. rampage
Any updates on your wgeurts read?
If members on your team (including ffery) could chip in that'll be great!
I think all of these people are town.
I think Hoopla is scum.
But before you said the following earlier:
In post 331, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sorry for being contrary guys!
I still think wolf slot is a fine vote, although a bit less so.
Sotty, unfortunately, is forming up to be an ok vote at this stage.
Seraphim is a great vote.
I'd like to bring Sotty into the game at this point because I find I do best when I have a couple of sounding boards in thread to work with and now that Empire's gone, Sotty is probably the player I feel the most comfortable with, but I'd like her in the game and talking about things instead of letting Grey dictate interactions and her just sitting on the peripheral.
I also love Hoopla's entrance in a "good player" sort of way, although the Eddie vote doesn't seem like the strongest direction we can take at this stage.
and I don't really see what leads to the change, so it kinda looks to me like it's something that could be done to take off some heat off a partner without looking like you're defending them.
Seraphim had something like 20 posts in between those two posts of mine, and those 20 posts are entirely the reason I went from scum--->town on him in the first place. Hoopla I said I liked her entrance in a "good player" sort of way, meaning I liked the vibe she brought to the game and I liked her theory talk on the game. That doesn't mean I have a town read on her because those things aren't particularly difficult to fake as scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Part of how uncomfortable I am has to do with how they defend one another: Sotty defends Kagami based on her observation on Grey backing off when vengeful plan is introduced and defends Hoopla for reasons that aren't exactly clear to me. Kagami defends Sotty for ??? reasons and Hoopla really hasn't done anything at all. Sotty/Kagami have teamed up at a couple of points against Grey, whereas I'm not really seeing anyone who has backed up Grey in the way that I would expect from a scum partner."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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So, if Hoopla is scum, those two alternatives seem like pretty strong partner suggestions AND their flips will be more informative than Hoopla's AND I think there are stronger reasons to call those two scum whereas reasons to call Hoopla scum are pretty much just "useless, lurking"."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Sotty, why is Zar town? Also, I'm going to quote a Metal Sonic game on my next post: could you give it a quick glance-through and tell me why you think his content there is guided by stronger logic than his content here?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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