Newbie 1378 - Game Over! (Town Wins)

[uctriton00]

I'm one of the SEs, which means I'm good at Mafiascum.net. If unsure of how to win game, follow what I say.

[uctriton00]

VOTE: uctriton00

Because a quick look over your other games show's you RVS half the time and i don't like that, either RVS or don't man.

Vote: Nul

Checked in but hasn't said anything; must be plotting.

[uctriton00]

Let's throw in 2 votes from the actual Mafia and then we'll have an L-1 on Day 1 in less than one page. Bravo!

I'm not mafia, I'm town, by the way.

My first post is a random introduction of myself. I don't know how you find that as scummy.
My second post is answering JasonWazza's request for an RVS.

Care to explain how those 2 posts are "real" votes as scum? Because I don't see it.

[uctriton00]

Edit: Care to explain how those 2 posts are reason to make two "real" votes for me as scum?

[uctriton00]

Scummy as fuck, this isn't a random introduction, this is scum hoping people are newbish enough to just fucking sheep him.

To be honest, isn't that how all mafia players should be? If you're town, you want people to listen to you because you're not being fake. If you're scum, well that's obvious, you want people to listen to you.

This is bowing to minimal pressure on you, Scum are more likely to do this then town are.

I don't think it was bowing, I think it was answering a question.

And as far as ATE goes, that's all over my meta. Both town and mafia meta. It's what I do.

[uctriton00]

I think you're making mountains out of molehills, Jason. Your arguments against me are contingent on a total of two posts, and you've declared them to be textbook scummy.

If you find them to be completely scummy posts, is there logic in that I would "blow it" on page 1 for myself?

My main concern is that me being pretty much the main subject of Page 1, it gives scum (whether it's you or someone else) a tidy distraction to hide behind, and an easy Day 1 mislynch.

[uctriton00]

Also you've gone from calling me and mastin both town, to not nessecarily calling us town, make up your mind.

I assumed you would be town since you (and i) were both town last game, but your incessant picking on me is making me think otherwise. But it's not like there's anything else to talk about; I don't mind being the topic of conversation Day 1.

[uctriton00]

Vote: JasonWazza

I actually think you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

[uctriton00]

I walk in with a random comment, and place a vote for me saying "wow your first vote wasn't an RVS", and then I make an RVS vote, saying "now you're bowing under pressure". It's as if you have a confirmation bias, determined to find anything I do as scummy.

Why would Jason do this? Let's go into your shoes. You have experience where together we did great in a game finding scum together. We then see each other in a new game. You draw a scum card, and look eerily towards me, wondering, "man, he might be able to figure me out, I gotta take him out soon".

This is my case against you, and my vote against you.

[uctriton00]

I typed that first sentence terribly. It should say,

I walk in with a random comment, and you place a vote for me saying "wow your first vote wasn't an RVS", and then I make an RVS vote, and you say "now you're bowing under pressure". It's as if you have a confirmation bias, determined to find anything I do as scummy.

[uctriton00]

I like Nul because he is trying to make reads like I make reads. That's exactly the way I play/write/perceive. It seems genuine. Have a town card, don't spend it all in one place!

To Radiant: yeah I haven't come off as bold in other games, but lo and behold here we are. For clarification, see Paradigm's post.

[uctriton00]

Jason pointing out my point before I could make it, therefore, means that he's become my strongest townread.

Is this really a smart thing to do though; people who agree with you are automatically townie to you?

[uctriton00]

prod dodge, going to catch up in this game i hope by tonight or at the very least tomorrow.

[uctriton00]

I forgot to say I'd be on VLA but I'm back now; just got to this game.

Nul I still see as town, the reading process is just so damn similar.
Jason I think is going to get a free ride in this game by being overly aggressive, and he will just cite "that's my playstyle" and I think that's going to bone us over if he's scum.
Paradigm looks bad, the reasonings behind the posts just don't look like they're there. "I'm going to focus on someone" is like you're pretending to scumhunt, and then a fake vote on mastin earlier.
Lucky2u I don't like the last post (194) which looks like a scum slip, and 135 the invite to be asked questions looks false too. There's flailing as town (which I get, and I've done it many times in scum), but it's independent of alignment. You can flail as town, and flail as scum.

Vote: Lucky2u

[uctriton00]

Vla this weekend but I'm caught up to today anyway

[uctriton00]

back from v/la, need a day to catch up

[uctriton00]

5 pages to read and I just finished catching up in another game, so I need to do a real reread, but if I had to thrown down a vote, it'd be a combination of OMGUS + sheep on a townread Nul + buying mastin's wall.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

[uctriton00]

And I have no idea what happened to our mod and we just no-lynched.

You never no-lynch, IMO.

[uctriton00]

Assuming we get a mod back and an updated VC and a renewed deadline for Day 1 (because that's BS if we don't get to redo Day 1)

the early ISO still gives me Lucky2u as the first scum and Radiant as the second one. Both their ISOs look reactive; the language is as if they are going with the flow of the game and reacting accordingly (which is how scum play the game).

third possible scum read is mattel. citing "i'm new" doesn't make anyone feel you should get a pass. #251 "i hope you're scum jason" is an unsettling sentence too. Not a scummy sentence, but I mean, it's certainly not a pro town sentence.

Paradigm, eeeh. The 5 posts look like like both good town and good scum. Null read.
Jason is a hard to read belligerent mess that I'm not comfortable lynching today. Null away.
mastin's walls are actually helpful and manufactured, but ICs are objective and hard to read anyway. Policy null for now.

I have a gut town read on Nul for the same reason I've already said about his reasoning
Crazzy's lines of questioning look real and are proactive, giving me the same gut I get from Nul. Town cards to both of these guys.

[uctriton00]

People bus (as in, throw your partner under the bus) each other all the time in Mafia. Well, not ALL the time, but it happens. I'll give you credit though that in newbie games, I think it's rare. Jason can chime in on this if he wants with his experience.

It doesn't matter to me which person we go for today, I'd fine with both a Lucky vote (you) and a Radiant vote (not you).

[uctriton00]

I will give you this though: Radiant's second half of his ISO is nowhere near as bad as his first. The halfway point is right where Jason calls out Radiant on it.

Here's a great theory: Radiant scum, and Jason being a scum teammate coaching him to be townier?

I'll chew that cud for a bit.

[uctriton00]

Well that's not a very nice thing to say to someone

[uctriton00]

I'll take all the insults today, just so that if I'm preemptively right, that I can pat myself on the back for a gutshot Jason/Radiant read on Page 12

Pascal's Wager IMO

[uctriton00]

Doctor for one scum trade is worth it FMPOV.

That's what Cops and Trackers are for, because they have guaranteed results.

[uctriton00]

Mod re-run a votecount to make sure we have a hammer or not

[uctriton00]

This is the IC's job, but I'll give a non-cuss word laden explanation of what we think just happened.

RadiantCowbell claimed to be a doctor (who's ability means they can protect anyone they want at night, and hopefully stop a townie from being killed). Radiant is so sure that Jason is scum, that Radiant killed themself, to prove a moral point.

There are many things wrong with that:
1 - As townies, we can't afford to "give away" our teammates. If you think someone is scum, you don't kill yourself, you should vote the other person. It's counterproductive. What happens if you're wrong? Then you lost yourself, and that person you thought was a scum.

2 - RadiantCowbell has no solid proof on Jason being scum. He is just going off his own theories.

Cops can investigate player roles at night time, and as such, can provide proof of someone's identity by saying the next morning, "hey guys I did an investigation on Player X, and he turned up scum, let's get him!". That's an example of hardcore, undeniable proof.
Doctors can provide proof of townies, by saying "I protected Player Y at night, and nobody died in the middle of the night, so therefore he must be town". (There are things called no-kills, but that's irrelevant to our conversation at the moment).

RadiantCowbell can't have proof for two reasons:
1. He just told us he's a doctor and not a cop
2. There hasn't even been a night phase, so he couldn't even provide proof if he wanted to

Summary:
If RadiantCowbell just indeed killed himself, then he just screwed over the town.
- Killed one of us
- Killed one of our possible Power Roles
- Pointing a scum finger at Jason, who RC can't even prove is scum, any better than anyone (like myself!) coming up with a theory and people crapping all over it

Note, this isn't illegal at all. You can play Mafia any way you want, as long as it is within the rules. You just develop a bad rep and nobody will want to play with you. In fact I just came from a game where our own doctor suicided himself, and then trolled all over the thread claiming they were here to ruin the games, and called everyone on the website an idiot for having no screening process.

[uctriton00]

DONT PREDICT THE NEXT GAME ACTION.

And in case anyone missed it, this is likely the towniest thing I've read all game (well other than me, because I love myself)

Predicting/calling "what you'll do next" gives scum a huge advantage in the game.

[uctriton00]

There should be a minimum of 5 vanilla townies if I do my math correctly.

Vote: JasonWazza

[uctriton00]

Nul's kill looks like an obvious frame attempt, and I'm not afraid to lynch Lucky2u in a lylo situation.

I'm giving lip service to Radiant's town flip. Yes he blew it by wasting a power role, but that doesn't mean he could be wrong about Jason attacking the **** out of him and pretty much everyone else in the game (including me early on).

[uctriton00]

going to make an awesome wall read later to analyze the rest of the game, but yes, i voted with actual reasoning, much of which came from radiant's pleas

radiant if you are reading this right now

don't worry, i'm here for you

[uctriton00]

mattel what did you think of Nul?

[uctriton00]

Mattel did you get my question

What was your read on Nul on day 1? I'm looking through your iso and can't find it

[uctriton00]

I like reading early game things, because your first impression is always your faked impression. As the game goes on, you can adapt easily to the flow of the game, which is great for scum. As such, I didn't include anything the replacements said in this wall.

Let's look at the evidence. We have Nul dying as town, and to a certain extent RC dying as town (which is skewed because RC self hammered and didn't claim, which would have brought out a lot more tells).

In my personal experience as scum and others scum kills I have seen, you kill off townies who everyone confirms as a townie. As in, everyone loves them so much, that there is no point in keeping them around, and they're just there to ruin your ****.

An ISO of how each dealed with Nul:

Crazzygoat puts a vote on RC, and then takes it off RC. Post 106 is pretty much a giveaway that he saw him as a doctor, so unvotes him. There's no point in doing this as a scum; you want to kill them off. Crazzy's slot is clear.

JasonWazza has a prob town read on Nul. Not much interaction.

Lucky has Nul as a "town read but we're not friends", and Nul clearly went after Lucky. As long as Nul is alive, he's not letting Lucky live comfortably. In addition, Lucky was the first one to say that "well Nul died so now I'm the obvious suspect" on Day 2.

Mastin has Nul as a clear town read.

mattel didn't offer a read on Nul really, until I asked him about it.

Paradigm unfortunately gave us no discernable info.

Let's now go back to the evidence. Nul was nightkilled. This is how I imagine the conversation going:
Scum 1: who is the towniest person here?
Scum 2: Nul. Everyone is calling him town.
Scum 1: Let's kill him.

<i>Lucky and Mattel are the two who didn't offer hard town reads on Nul.</i> From their perspective, they are the two people who benefit the most from killing off Nul.

On Day 2 I started thinking RC was onto something, against Jason. But who are the next two people immediately on the wagon? Lucky and mattel.

Can I see scum in Lucky and mattel? Let's take a look at them:

- 242: mattel votes lucky when lucky was in a "flail" state. There is definite probable cause for a bus.
- 246: lucky points a finger at him, but won't vote mattel
- 497: lucky has softly claimed that myself, him, and mattel, as a townie group.

From all angles, it looks like Lucky and Mattel are a scum team.

Let's go to thinking about Jason. RC died, and there's no reason to not at least give an ear to his case against Jason. What's RC's case though? It's a LOT of omgus, and there's no proof in it. As such, my case against Jason is also a hunch. Gut, as we say.

Getting to the point:

Unvote

Hammering Lucky in my next post (he claims VT, there's no reason to) unless someone has something more insightful

/mic drop

[uctriton00]

..........

so Linxie just took off the L-1, gee thanks you're such a help

[uctriton00]

And just to be sure, can we get a vote count? Or can NS be here permanently as a backup mod? Come on man

[uctriton00]

sorry didn't mean to sound like a jerk in light of your real life issues, please don't modkill me

[uctriton00]

It's mountain molehill time again.

"He unvoted Jason when he was at L-1? SCUMMMMM!"

I unvoted because I clearly said my vote is now going to Lucky.

[uctriton00]

Vote: Lucky2u

enomis now holds the hammer

[uctriton00]

Unvote

Vote: JasonWazza

[uctriton00]

There is no way Lucky and Mattel survive Day 3 then.

congratulations, we've won the game.

[uctriton00]

Pre-Day 3 vote if I'm still alive: Lucky2u

[uctriton00]

Linxie is going to die of course now.

That leaves this twilight message for Mastin and enomis:

We get rid of Lucky, or mattel if you prefer, I really don't care.

We have a ****TON OF INFO from the Nul death (that I painted out) and Jason's cop flip (no reason for him to lie, I think he's the cop although I don't know what his softclaim looks like) innocent read on Linxie to make a smart enough decision.

It's Lucky and Mattel, damn it.

[uctriton00]

And of course if Jason flips scum, then this is all moot anyway.

[uctriton00]

if you really flip cop, I promise to follow this.

A Triton wagon based on me hammering someone I HAD NO IDEA WHO'S PR WAS

a Lucky wagon based on THE ENTIRE GAME HATES HIM and all the evidence everyone has presented against him. It was so bad that even Mattel at one point had to vote him because Lucky was losing so bad.

Jason you were an info flip. The lucky wagon was losing steam (yes, it was losing steam, look at how Mastin unvoted and went to you), and the info from the flip (lucky and mattel both jumping on as #2 and #3 after I started it) is juicy enough to where I trust Mastin Enomis and Linxie to get this game correct.

[uctriton00]

Assuming you are the cop, I should have waited instead for you to claim so we can at least lynch lucky (this is likely what Mastin is going to say now) but **** it's Day 2 and not LYLO

[uctriton00]

Actually I realized I did that wrong; it would have been better to have Jason claim cop and put Linxie as town, and then hammer Lucky, and then we would go into Day 3 with a dead Jason (of course) and a confirmed Linxie innocent, and had to choose between Mastin Mattel and Enomis.

Ok yeah nevermind lol fuck it, just lynch Lucky anyway tomorrow and go home happy.

[uctriton00]

Seriously, I'm town.

Incredibly town.

ATE town, loads of it.

[uctriton00]

Mastin, if you join the Triton wagon tomorrow, I swear, you will have just as much a reason for this town loss as much as I do.

[uctriton00]

I HAMMERED ON A GUT AND HUNCH AND INFO

WE HAVE THE GAME WON, SERIOUSLY

LUCKY AND MATTEL

HELL MAKE IT MATTEL THEN LUCKY IDGAF

[uctriton00]

i do feel bad that I didn't let you claim

I was just getting so incredibly god damn anxious because I thought I was right

[uctriton00]

Jason waa waa is just trying to get the real cop to claim so his scum buddy knows who to target.

And if this is true then holy hell, cop please do not say anything

[uctriton00]

mattel i will touch you sensually if jason is scum and he really is trying to twilight rolefish

[uctriton00]

Let's all shut up now and stop feeding him.

Eager for us to stop talking now, are we?

We've established two things:
1. If Jason flips town, there's going to be a Triton wagon tomorrow
2. If there is a cop/tracker, please do not out yourself in any way (unless we tell you to, in Day 3).

#2 is obvious, and nobody is going to out their PR in any way. This is a long shot, assuming Jason was scum, but by the way he's acting, I don't think he's lying. Why would he give out a read on Linxie being innocent for no reason?

#1 you and I have already said we're going to cross vote each other, so I'm building my case in that I'm town and my actions are town motivated.

[uctriton00]

the opposite of a Lucky wagon

[uctriton00]

[F5] [F5] [F5] [F5]

aaaaaa

[uctriton00]

I'll tell you with my very first post day 3, scouts honor

[uctriton00]

And I get the hate I have right now for the quick hammer, the more I think about it (which is a lot these past few hours) but I want to make amends by DEFENDING MYSELF.

You think I'm a lock for scum and you not want to listen to me? Fine, but facts are facts. I am town.

Do you really think I'd crush my game meta with this total ATE? Look it up (I have a wiki) you don't see me going this depressed into an ATE as scum

[uctriton00]

Want me to change my pre vote to Mattel? Whatever you guys want, I'll vote either of them because that's the scum team I have picked out, no matter what order

[uctriton00]

YES
I AM A HERO
Hahahahahahahah
I feel sooooooooooo good right now
I'm going to celebrate

[uctriton00]

So I like chicken wings
At my hero banquet I'd like wings to be served

[uctriton00]

Ill tell you first post Day 3 my superior skills like I promised

[uctriton00]

I'd like a cake
And to be fanned with a feather

One scum to go, and ill share my final read tomorrow (I'm pretty sure I have it right)

[uctriton00]

To be honest if you're actually town and mod flips you as town then I'd say this was the second best twilight deke I've ever seen.

If so I'd still like some kind of a cake.

[uctriton00]

Get a flip so we can ice this game tomorrow, I have my last read in

[uctriton00]

vote: mastin

you bitter, bitter scum buddy. More on why it's you later, but good game and we've won, game is over.

But as what I promised,

I quick hammered on Jason because Mattel claimed cop and I had to QH to end the day ASAP, before everyone else figured it out.

Unfortunately Jason role fished and baited Mattel into stopping the role fish, which Jason immediately outed him.

This was a trust exercise: I had to trust mattel's claim. It was day 2, and if I got the wrong hammer, then obviously a fake claim happened. To me it was completely worth the gamble. I've said that ad nauseum, that this isn't a game breaking LYLO decision and we can be wrong if needed. I didn't want to live with the extremely hard to read Jason and have to. If Jason was the real cop, I would have easily killed Mattel for the fake claim. And I sincerely believe that when a town self hammers, you don't ignore it. Unless they were trolling, and RC being an experienced player, I wanted to give him a listen.

You want clarification, ask and I'll tell you.

Now with the info we got:
Mattel dead as a policy kill.
Lucky, I want to call town just for his actions today day 3.

But here is what we also got day 3: an EXTREMELY OMGUS MASTIN saying that I've bussed my partner.

I am town beyond god damned belief, and I tried my best, my sincere best, to draw the night kill. I wanted to be a VT who died in place of mattel's claim, had it been true. I used all the pomp and circumstance to boast I'd break the game open. Unfortunately Mattel was caught dead.

Mastin's omgus seals the game and the victory for us. You've slipped, bud.

[uctriton00]

Lucky in twilight is extremely town though. Him, Mattel, me, all in twilight.

Scum buddy had to stfu. Scum buddies always stfu in twilight.

Mastin I'm going to check if he participated, but I don't remember if he did.

[uctriton00]

Bailed from the wagon? What are you talking about? I had a read on gut Jason, then now had it on lucky, then back to Jason once Mattel provided proof.

Mastin you're dead and your team lost and this game is over

[uctriton00]

Double checked, mastin went into deep hiding during twilight

[uctriton00]

And of course ill humbly apologize to Mattel behind the glass window, although I wonder who he did to violate the game.

[uctriton00]

And lucky take your vote off line, put it on either me or mastin, I'm drawing the battle line today, Radiant Cowbell style.

[uctriton00]

Linnie I think is town just by the twilight tells
Enomis the same thing

[uctriton00]

I need to reread that wall you wrote but I just want to make something clear,

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[uctriton00]

despite apparently also being aware of Jason's breadcrumbs

When did I ever say that?

[uctriton00]

The hammer was a trust exercise. I trusted mattel's claim that he was a cop, so I hammered based on his result.

If mattel wasn't a cop (and Jason was being truthful in that he said we just killed our own cop), then mattel would easily be killed for fake claiming.

What about that means that I ever believed Jason was a cop? (Before Jason told us he was a cop)

[uctriton00]

You see both 'crumbing.

Again, this is the problem.

I never saw crumbing from Jason. I have no idea what the crumbing even ******* looks like, and I'm a god damn SE.

Can you point these crumbs out for me?

As far as me calling you OMGUS, it's because you're upset I killed your scum buddy Jason. To be honest I wasn't sure who the partner could be (all the boasting that I did during twilight was a bluff in an attempt to draw the night kill), but then seeing you vote for me right away looks like someone who is out to avenge their buddy.

[uctriton00]

F5

[uctriton00]

What is this bread crumb everyone saw from Jason?

[uctriton00]

If anyone got a guilty result, they are false thingy.

LOL THAT'S A BREAD CRUMB?

That applies to every townie in every game in every planet that this game has ever been played on.

My role in this game is a vanilla townie. No **** that if someone says "i'm a cop, i got a guilty on uctriton00", then it's a lie.

That is not a bread crumb.

And mattel's claim happened before my quickhammer. It was like, "trust me i know he's scum" or something along those lines.

[uctriton00]

$10 says mastin comes in and moves to a lucky or enomis wagon

[uctriton00]

And these cases by both enomis on lucky and mastin on me are both somehow rooted in the same false idea

"we know jason was a cop"

i didn't know jason was a cop, how many times do I have to sqwuak that for you to believe it?

that is a great foundation of why I think mastin is scum. he manufactured a case against me, rooting it in a completely false and made up idea that isn't even true.

[uctriton00]

and guess what, jason wasn't even a cop!

why am i even addressing this; oh wait, i'm addressing it because mastin insists that i knew something that wasn't even true

[uctriton00]

500 posts in

mastin votes,

me
lucky
radiant
enomis

if you two guys (enomis and lucky) are indeed town, doesn't it look awfully suspicious that he gets on all of us?

and of course he votes Jason. When does he vote Jason?

he votes Jason after I come off of L-1 and consider the hammer onto Lucky.

scum mastin at his computer:
"damn, jason is in trouble, he's at l-1 and i'm not on that bandwagon. ****."
"wait, did someone unvote him? yes, I need to get on it asap!"

[uctriton00]

I think I just broke the game open right there.

[uctriton00]

Also

when does Jason ever vote Mastin?

I didn't see it in the ISO

[uctriton00]

Can I just ask at least, what does everyone LIKE about mastin that they don't want to vote him?

[uctriton00]

This is as close to a scumclaim as you can get from triton, an experienced player, who is now manipulating newbies.

HAHAHA

mastin you are really stuck, aren't you?

"hey guys, he's manipulating all of you!"

How am I "manipulating" anything?

Mastin you're the one manipulating my words.

[uctriton00]

mastin, I know this is a game. but even I haven't stooped to the level of lies you and jason have spewed in this game. it's seriously sad.

[uctriton00]

This is a scum SE, appealing to newbie logic. This logic of "voting everyone" appeals to newbies. It's the exact kind of argument a lot of newbies make. But triton--as an experienced SE--KNOWS better than this. He KNOWS that over the course of the game, reads evolve.

You keep putting words into my mouth.

"Triton KNOWS...."
"He KNOWS...."

If this isn't some form of manipulation, then I don't know what is.

[uctriton00]

As new evidence was brought up, my reads changed accordingly.

I sincerely was ready to ram Lucky and Mattel into a train, until we got evidence from the Jason flip and the Mattel flip.

Do you honestly think I am "not evolving my reads"?

[uctriton00]

5. You are not forced to like each other, but the fact that you badly want so and so offed does not give you the right to insult him or her.

Speaking of which, how does JasonWazza get to continue to play on this site, with the way he acts?

[uctriton00]

You know why I also think you're scum?

You're trying to play a very controlled, even, level headed game. Screw the fact that you're an IC; you're not going on gut wrenching benders. You're playing like a defense lawyer, presenting evidence and being as professional as possible.

You're posturing.

[uctriton00]

Also mastin, here's another problem i have:

you keep bringing up labels.

"newbie".

You're manipulating people. You're trying to paste the word newbie on people's foreheads. You're being rather pedantic, almost trying to talk people down from a pedestal and saying "you guys don't know what's going on, so you newbies, let me spell it out for you". Again, forget that you're an IC (in fact, nothing in the IC guidelines says to remind people about the word newbies). I'm tired of you always trying to fit everyone into these pegs you want people to be in, and you're saying "stop manipulating the newbies", "stop lying to the newbies", "stop controlling the newbies".

It's a form of manipulation, and I see you being scum for it. Everyone is their own player, we all have our town cards. You're trying to take your *position* of an IC, and trying to control the flow of the game.

Me? I'm playing from my gut. My gut that thought RC was scum, but was wrong. My gut that thought it was Lucky all along, until Mattel said he's a cop, so i followed Mattel. My gut that was right to trust Mattel. My gut that it's you Mastin, based on my gut of how you've been voting, how you've been playing. My gut that it's not Lucky based on how he interacts with people. My gut that it's not Linxie based on twilight. My gut that it's not enomis based on his replacement play, and his play today even.

[uctriton00]

First off, this is proof that triton's story is full of holes. He's flat-out admitting that he was lying with his reasons for hammering Jason, here.

Try again.

Why I hammered Jason: because Mattel claimed cop.

[uctriton00]

It's also blatantly false. In fact, it's the ultimate insult.

First off I'm not trying to insult you, so apologies if I did and I'm sorry.

Second, I'm in a hubbub because mastin, you're wrong. I'm not scum. I'm town.

You're story on me being scum is that somehow I'm full of holes. Full of holes, you say?

Here is my honest thought process, again, repeated for the umpteenth time, to repeat to everyone.

- Voted Jason on a hunch
- Switched to Lucky
- Mattel claimed cop, saying go back to Jason
- Hammered Jason
- Jason said I'm the cop you idiot, and other insults to which I don't know how you're not modkilled
- Felt horrible about killing our cop. Vowed to get revenge on Mattel for what is obviously his fake claim.
- Jason says he's actually not our cop and is scum.
- Figured out in my head that Mattel was telling the truth. Tried to draw the nightfire kill by pretending I was going to be this force to be reckoned with Day 3, to scare the last scum member. Didn't work.
- Did not know who last scum member was.
- Mastin comes hard after me. Sees this as a tipoff that it's Mastin.
- Finds overwhelming evidence that it's Mastin.

There are no holes in that story. That is me playing from my gut and my head. A lot of ATE in there, and a lot of frustration too, because I have a town card and everything Mastin says is simply not true. It's frustrating. I also have this pile of evidence against the last scum being Mastin
- His initial vote on Day 3 against me, as I had told everyone I was the clear threat to defeat the game
- His voting pattern
- Jason's voting pattern
- His posturing

This is where Mastin comes in with his rule: he says I picked evidence to fit the reads, not reads to fit the evidence. I admit, I don't play by that rule. I play by gut. Gut gets me wrong a lot of times (part of Radiant's wagon on Day 1), but gets me right too (finding Mattel's claim). Is that a scum tell? To not follow that rule? I don't think so.

[uctriton00]

Linxie,

the claim was right before I hammered. He said something along the lines of "trust me when i say jason is scum" or something like that. Didn't I already point this out, I think?

[uctriton00]

Yes that

[uctriton00]

I am focusing on Jason because I know he is scum. Take that how you will.

This was the post that tipped me off to mattel being the cop. That's the universal signpost for "I have a guilty, you morons!"

When I saw it, I went, "waitwhat, did I just see what I thought I saw?", did a quick crosscheck of mattel's posts on D2, and then, " Oh, man, Mastin, you're an idiot. How'd you miss that before?" And that's when I switched my vote.

That looks like pure conjecture to me as opposed to a claim

[uctriton00]

I think I'm angrier than martin right now but that's because I don't appreciate his lies.

[uctriton00]

ucrit sounds gangster for some reason

[uctriton00]

Your reads today, are they the same as D2 (as per the above)?

That line was an attempted fake out to draw the night kill. Scum should be killing their biggest threats, and if not a PR, then someone who probably has the game figured out.

They still went after the PR anyway.

I didn't make my read on mastin until I logged onto Day 3 (i.e. today) and saw the quick vote from mastin onto me, making me think he sees me as a huge threat, and thus he wants me dead asap, meaning he's scum.

[uctriton00]

Did you reeeally think after Jason said "scum buddy kill mattel", scum would target you?

The best thing a VT can do is to draw the night kill, away from teammate PRs. I tried.

[uctriton00]

Ucrit, just so you know. If mastin flips town I am coming for you next.

Luckily we won't have to as I think mastin is scum

[uctriton00]

hope everything works out for ya lucky

You call Triton out in post #509 as being Jason's scum buddy.
In post #518 Triton voted for Lucky.
Mattel soft-claims in post #520, Lucky pleads in #521, and Triton hammers in #522

Quick someone get Mastin to the BURN clinic.

Continue trying to manufacture more things in your head, mastin.

[uctriton00]

The only thing to be angry about this game would be triton's blatant abuse of authority and having the audacity to say that *I* am the one abusing my authority.

1. Define "abuse of authority"
2. Define how I said you abused your authority

[uctriton00]

I'm not sure what you're not getting. It's fairly clear what I was saying? Triton-as-town sees a 'crumb, and hammers recklessly, hoping to catch scum, but hammered wrongly. Triton-as-town gets nightkilled, with no other plays having seen the 'crumb. Triton-as-dead-town has no way of telling the town about the false-crumb, so the scum get away with it.

Triton-as-town would realize this, and not immediately hammer. Triton's claimed logic relies on (1) mattel being a liar, and (2) (this is a critical one) triton surviving the night to point out mattel's false-crumb and lynch mattel. Triton's death in this triton-as-town scenario, therefore, would ruin his whole "trust plan". I'm not sure how that can be more clear.

Your case against me is based on falseness and lies, which is why I can't help but continue to believe that you are the last scum and the game is wrapped up.

<i>Triton-as-town sees a 'crumb and hammers recklessly, hoping to catch scum</i> = i follow you so far...
<i>but hammered wrongly. </i> = so assuming mattel's claim was false? alright let's continue...
<i>Triton-as-town gets nightkilled</i> = why is this a guarantee in your scenario?
<i>, with no other plays having seen the 'crumb. Triton-as-dead-town has no way of telling the town about the false-crumb, so the scum get away with it.</i> = doesn't it make sense that if a townie just hammered another townie, that hammer-er would be left alive for the next day to be questioned/hung like a pinata, while the scum sit back and watch? Come now...

Let's do your next sentence

<i>Triton-as-town would realize this, and not immediately hammer.</i> = not true. I saw a mattel claim, and hammered, thinking there was nothing to lose in this 1v1 scenario. either mattel lied, or mattel told the truth.
<i>Triton's claimed logic relies on (1) mattel being a liar, </i> = if mattel was a liar, there was no way I'd let him live. and with the way lucky was talking in that post after mattel's claim, I would have gladly ran them both into a train.
<i>and (2) (this is a critical one) triton surviving the night to point out mattel's false-crumb and lynch mattel. </i> = as said, there should be no reason I would have been killed at night. I'd be a perfect setup pinata for the next day. My defense that day would be pointing out the fake cop claim by mattel.
<i>Triton's death in this triton-as-town scenario, therefore, would ruin his whole "trust plan". I'm not sure how that can be more clear.</i> = this is false, because you're assuming that there's a 100% i'd die. No way.

[uctriton00]

guess I misremembered the timeline for that. The exact point I was making may not hold, but the general point I was making (calling triton out) overall holds truth. Triton's reversal into hammering did not at all look like, "oh, I saw the cop!". It screamed "crap, that Lucky vote looks scummy-as-hell".

It was exactly "oh, I saw the cop!".

And based on your attempts to poke holes in my logic/gameplay, it's only fitting for me to when you admit that you were wrong and you are taking back a point you were trying to make.

[uctriton00]

Good to hear

Still waiting on Linnie or enormous to make a decision

Edit Lol autocorrect

[uctriton00]

Mastin even made a hole in his story against me he admitted to

[uctriton00]

B) you're focusing on a scenario which doesn't apply.

*applauds*

[uctriton00]

take the stage, enomis

[uctriton00]

Triton-as-town WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN that mattel was town and Jason was scum.

I don't get why is this is a scum tell for you mastin.

1. I see a mattel claim
2. I hammer like bob the builder
3. If I'm wrong and I hammered town, then I go after mattel.
- yes I can bank that I would live throughout the night because if i hammered town, i expect to be put on display and blast like a pinata on day 3.
4. If I'm right and I hammer scum, then scum either kill me (IDGAF i'd be a hero, and our PR would still be alive) or kill our cop (which would be unfortunate, but at least we got 1 scum down).

You're manufacturing a fake case, mastin.

[uctriton00]

I'm a townie, with the most powerful weapon on my side: honesty. By the fact you're continually trying to discredit and put falsehoods in it, can't help but scream you're scum trying to take me down as a threat to you. Add that into my case against you (your quick vote against me today, your voting pattern, my voting pattern, and your posturing), and it just builds and builds.

[uctriton00]

*Jason's voting pattern, not my voting pattern

[uctriton00]

enomis I understand your concern and get your point, but holy ****, mastin is the last scum.

we're at the finish line already.

[uctriton00]

I also have a V/LA starting but i'm going to try to check in as much as possible

[uctriton00]

Mattel said the I know he is scum phrases so many times. Why did you only catch it at the last post?

If there were, I didn't see them.

And the one pointed out earlier (two pages back or something) looks like just someone talking out of conjecture, not as someone as proof. People say "i know he's guilty trust me" all the time in mafia.

But the claim that I saw from mattel was way in my face after I had been posting, with a genuinely serious appeal I felt, and I couldn't possibly miss that.

[uctriton00]

Fk ucrit, what was that unvoting jason based on hunch thingy then wanting to hammer lucky.

First give me why you think jason is scum.

Second, give me why you unvoted jason.

Third, why was lucky scum at that time.

I voted Jason on a hunch (mostly due to RC willing to die over something he felt that strongly about, even wasting his PR role). That and I seriously don't want him around in a situation where he's unreadable. His playstyle is to talk massive **** to cover up anyone picking up tells. (Seriously, this must be how he gets by in almost every game).

Then I started to listen to the Lucky naysayers, and to be honest he does have an awful scumhunting and awful posturing approach from Day 1. Do I really want to go on a 50/50 for Jason just because I find him insulting and hard to read, or use logical hunting on lucky? Mehhhh I better use logic.

****, Mattel is outright pleaing as if he's a cop with definitive proof. I'll take him up on his offer. If he's telling the truth, we kill a scum. If he's lying, I'll run him into a train. And bring along Lucky with it too, my original read.

YOLO: whack him.

Jason = you idiot you killed me i'm a cop
Me = **** dude I had to. ****. Alright, I'm knocking out Lucky and Mattel.
Jason = lol i'm scum
Me = HERO STATUS

mastin = WE MUST KILL TRITON NOW

Me = ...... hello, final scum.

Me = *reads evidence* still scum
Me = *more evidence* still scum

Mastin = Triton has holes in his story here, here, and here

Me = *shoots down every hole*
Everyone else = yeah mastin your case is actually pretty bad
Mastin = i'm emotionally drained

[uctriton00]

Even after Lucky said that mattel hinted at cop and Linxie gave an "How do you know he is scum" reply?

Anyone who says "i know he's scum" can be talking with straight conjecture.

[uctriton00]

I dare you to hammer, mastin

[uctriton00]

You know what

Intent

[uctriton00]

Linnie and enomis

Are you absolutely not moving to Mastin today?

[uctriton00]

*tears in eyes*

May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead

vote: lucky2u

[uctriton00]

I'm too invested in the outcome of this game, and I took my time on my phone to do these

This one:

Spoiler: if lucky is town

Lucky collapsed to the ground, rope still knotted around his neck, with Triton holding onto the other end. Blood began to drip from Lucky's mouth as he gasped for his last breath.

"Et tu, brute?" he muttered.

Triton dropped his end of the rope, dumbfounded. "Lucky, I..."

Lucky's eyes were quickly losing life. "You let them kill me. You were my friend." Lucky let out another cough.

Tears filled Triton's eyes as he knelt down to reach for Lucky's hand. "I didn't, this was the only way, I had to--".

Lucky swatted Triton's hand away. "Brothers to the end? That's what you said. But no, you're no brother of mine. A brother doesn't turn his back on the other. I fought for you, supported you, and you repay me with a bullshit apology after you strangled me. I have no brother, Triton. You and the rest of this forsaken town will meet me in hell. Don't expect me to keep the light on for you."

Lucky's eyelids shut as blood streamed out of his mouth, staining the ground in a crimson blanket.

Linnie and Enomis came up from behind, having watched the exchange from afar. "It made the most sense" uttered Linnie. "He was a solid read and you know it."

Triton didn't utter a word. He silently stood up and walked back towards the village gate. Mastin stood off to the side, leaning against the wall as he peeled an apple with his pocket knife.

"Killer" he muttered under his breath to Triton as he passed by.

Triton stopped. He and Mastin exchanged a long cold stare. The sorrow in Triton's eyes was replaced by rage. Mastin tossed his apple aside and tightened his grip around his knife.

The town bells interrupted everyone. It was time for everyone to return home.

Or this

Spoiler: this is if lucky is scum

Lucky collapsed to the floor. The metal barrel of his revolver clanged off the gravel below.

Triton dropped the rope from his hand and picked up the gun.

Lucky looked up at him and grinned, blood seeping from the side of his mouth. "Oops" he said.

Triton was in shock. "I respected you, your demeanor, your simplicity. Was it all a lie? When you said you knew how I felt when people misunderstood me? Was that a lie too?"

"Don't flatter yourself", Lucky said with a snarky smile. "You've been scum before, your history isn't clean. You're not a saint, you're just as dirty as anyone who has ever undertaken the scum oath in their lives."

Triton's sadness was replaced with anger. "You let me turn on Mastin and watched as I tried to lynch him. You lied to me. I thought we were friends."

Lucky rolled his eyes as blood continue to drip from his lips. "Friends? There are no friends in mafia. This is business."

Triton gripped the revolver in his hands. "You lied, this entire time. You knew I respected you, and you let me run around like a fool after Mastin".

Triton shook his head in disgust. Linnie and Enomis stood behind him. "It happens", Enomis said. "Sometimes town attack town. It's part of the game. We won, be happy. No hard feelings. Tell him, Mastin."

A clapping sound came from the side. It was Mastin, with a grin pasted on his face. "I told you so, you bastard."

Triton lifted the revolver and pointed it to Mastin's temple. The cold steel left an imprint on his skin. "Save it" Triton said as he lowered the gun and turned to walk back to the village gate.

Lucky used his last breath. "I'll say hi to Radiant for you."

Triton turned and approached Lucky's dying body. He pointed the revolver towards Lucky's head, and pulled the trigger.

He dropped the gun on Lucky's chest with a thud. The sun began to set on the town, casting shadows on the last four living members of the town.

[uctriton00]

Smh

[uctriton00]

Busy today but need to catch up either Sunday or whenever

[uctriton00]

Hey

Mastin

Remember that time when I said you were being manipulative

And you got mad at me

And then you admitted you were being manipulative

Good times

[uctriton00]

First off, congratulations TOWN!!!

If this is your first win on Mafiascum.net, then you've earned yourself a mother ******* pat on the back. A win is a win. To quote Vin Diesel: It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning. There are NO such things as bad wins in this virtual game we play online either at home or during work when we should be working, or when we're ignoring real life. We're here because we like to pretend we're playing a game and we have fun doing it. Good show everyone, good show.

RadiantCowbells

That was a ballsy-ass move. I don't ever recommend it to anyone though. There's always a chance you're wrong (unless you're some kind of power role who a proof of a guilty), and then at that rate you'd waste your town PM, and that player's town PM. It's not a good bet. Luckily for you, it worked out great. So for these rare times, you need to LIVE IT UP and get a good congratulatory pat on the mother ***** back. I meant it 100% when I said your decision to self hammer yourself needed lip service paid to it.

Nul

You did what's actually pretty hard in this game, and you became the instant universal town read. That's why you died. Everything you said/did was pro-town, and you sounded town. You already know this by now, but if you ever need a way to "look town" in the future when you're scum, do everything you exactly did, and you'll easily slide on through as a scum.

JasonWazza

lol we got you. Mattel and Lucky2u handed me you on a silver platter. It's 95% because of them, and 5% me having the opportunity. And I mean it that when you're antagonizing everyone, that you defend it as a playstyle, but you're abrasive enough to where it's not surprising you don't ever get modkilled. You called me so many insults during twilight. How could you think it's ok? Oh wait that's how you choose to play this game and you don't care, internet derp derp u made bro lolcats etc etc. It felt so good to have you flip scum after you talking so much crap. It was seriously my #1 moment of my Internet life.

mattel

I seriously did not see any kind of bread crumbing, and I was completely daft to it, UNTIL that moment where both you and Lucky posted right after one another. I was being 100% honest in that I didn't see your original crumb and thought it was conjecture. But you were certainly the most important and key piece to getting that Jason guilty. There was nothing you could do to defend yourself at night (since Radiant offed himself), but I'd like to make you the MVP of this game. I don't know what prompted you to investigate Jason, but damn, that was a dead on bullseye investigation choice.

Lucky2u

I immediately took a liking to you because you understand my meta. A lot of people think I make stuff up (which is true) and dismiss my opinions. But as Jason chooses to be an asshole when he plays, I choose to be a loose cannon with theories. I like to shoot them off and see what sticks. And you understand that. The problem with Day 3 is that you were sincerely going to be my Day 4 lynch if we lynched Mastin and he flipped town. It mostly comes from how I thought you were fake scum-hunting on Day 1, and I felt that was scummy. Yet now that you flipped town, I understand how you play, and appreciate that maybe you and I have much more in common. You were a victim of what Radiant kind of wanted to do with Jason. On Day 3, and you had two votes on you. I wanted to yell at the top of my lungs, "if we lynch lucky, can you all shut the **** up and kill mastin tomorrow on policy?". I meant it during twilight 3 that I would feel horrible for killing you if you flipped town. So thank you for forgiving me by now.

enomis

Just one simple play you did made you an incredible town asset. You said "don't project night kill activities, because it helps the scum". I am going to use that sentence in my own town meta, and also when I'm scum, to earn myself town points. That is seriously the most towniest town thing said in this game, and you earned yourself major credit. Good work on not letting Mastin get on your nerves like he did mine.

mastin

I've never had a scum come at me with such blatant lies and manipulation. It just feels extremely good to be right, and I am going to use my scumhunt on you for every future scumhunt. I think you were the ultimate learning tool. I found your quick vote on me really easy to read on Day 3. Again, I know this is a game, and you HAVE to lie as scum, and I've lied as scum before. It's just that I've never done it with such a blatant fervor and borderline bashing that you did. Come on, are you seriously going to use appeals to emotion when you're scum? That DESTROYS your entire town meta. I would never do that for myself. Anyone who reads my meta knows that I would never put my meta on the line like you did. That's what made me hate you so much this game. But then again, this is a game, so I understand you had to lie your ass on in Newbie 1378 because I was definitely trying to ride you into the lynch sunset and take us to victory.

Linxie

To be completely honest, I would not have hated you if you mislynched. A 3 person LYLO is one of the hardest situations you'll ever face in Mafiascum, and I don't know how many 3PLs you've ever been in, but you handled this one well. You took your time and thought it out. I was in a 3PL recently and completely blew it. I still am not over my loss in that game, and I'm glad to see you come through. I'd give you an MVP but mattel's guilty on Jason was just enough to edge you out. But trust me Linxie, I sincerely admire your heroics on Day 4.

[uctriton00]

Here's the end lesson from Mafia

WIFOM

is everything.

Nul now has an ultimate way to look town. Maybe he'll act the same way his next game and he'll be scum!
Lucky has a scummy way of approaching Day 1, but was town. Maybe he'll continue this way, and then end up actually being scum!
Jason is antagonizing. Maybe he'll stop, so maybe he learns the err of his ways, and that means he's definitely town. No wait, he could flip scum!
Triton uses appeals to emotion every time he's town (I MEAN EVERY TIME, LOOK IT UP GUYS). When there's no ATE, it must mean he's scum! Wait, uh oh, he just flipped town again!

There is no set way to play as town or as scum. Patterns will be broken, playstyles will change, people will take advantage of your past (your meta) and exploit you. There is always room for second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh guessing.

Don't feel bad if after this win, you never win again for a long time. It happened to me but eventually, you'll win again, and it will feel extremely good.

[uctriton00]

UCRIT YOU SO AREN'T TOWN, GO DIE IN A HOLE

LUCKY YOU DUMB FUCK I DIDN'T INVESTIGATE YOU SO HOW COULD I KNOW YOUR TOWN YOU DUMBASS

AND U LYNCH ME YOU DUMB FUCKS

YOUR NOT DUMB ENOUGH TO QUICKHAMMER LIKE A DUMBASS KNOWING THERE IS STILL A PR SITTING OUT THERE

SERIOUSLY YOU HAMMERED YOUR COP LIKE A FUCK WIT.

Tell me none of those were rude.

[uctriton00]

Sorry I read your sentence as "aggressiveness isn't being rude"; I just reread the sentence.

[uctriton00]

And feedback for the moderator,

There were times when we needed you but we understand real life gets in the way, but thanks for putting the game together.
And "special" thanks to Nobody Special who was able to keep the game going for a bit at least too.

And with all moderators, at least you're not Venrob, who immediately locked the topic after the game is over, so that nobody can talk about his choice to change the deadline twice on us. Or chkflip, who believes nobody needs a dead quicktopic for Newbie format games.

[uctriton00]

I did take that into account.

Mastin's and Jason's post game comments are all actual advice that make sense. My comments are post game flavor fluff that offer no real substance other than getting a chuckle.

It's like in elementary school, with your regular teacher and the substitute teacher.

An IC's comments are the actual teacher, who cares about their students, and wants everyone to be better, and will offer up any knowledge they have. However, they take their teaching seriously and want people to be better at it. They put in the good and the bad and offer up the critical comments.

But I'm the fun substitute who comes in, plays music during class, and tells a lot of jokes and makes learning fun. But for all that, in the end, you don't really end up learning all that much because it's all about show and making people feel good about themselves. You realize you learned a lot more from your original teacher.

So I agree with mastin and I agree with lucky who agrees with mastin.

\m/

[uctriton00]

So out of good faith, I will demonstrate that if needed, I can offer real comments.

Spoiler: real talk

Like everyone has already said, here are my favorite things from my experiences, including ones in this game.

1.

Being Town is a Team game
- Every lynch requires more than one person. No way around it. You need to convince other people that you're right.
Me trying to lynch Mastin? That was a solo effort. I laid out my case, spelled it out, and answered any questions Mastin had to try to break it down. I basically sat back and waited for everyone to sheep me, but nobody did.
The Jason lynch? That was a team effort. Mattel made the investigation, and Lucky convinced me that if I make the leap of faith and I happen to be wrong, I can lynch him the next day.
That's the difference in "getting things done" in Mafia.

2.

Presentation is everything
- I'm going to go ahead and guess on mattel's part, but I think mattel investigated Jason because he was too hard to read. As in, he was pretty null. There was no alignment tell. So thus, he was investigated.
Why did we not investigate Nul? Well, he was a universal town read and he made everyone feel comfortable around it.
Why did I never really suspect enomis or Linxie? Because enomis presented himself in a town manner. Linxie's slot also presented itself in a town manner.
Why did I hammer Lucky? Because Lucky presented himself as someone who wasn't really scumhunting.

3.

Be aware of WIFOM in night kills
- WIFOM will get you no matter what, and Mastin's kill of me was an example of WIFOM, and even in the dead topic I felt like switching to enomis because of WIFOM.
Suppose enomis was scum. Town Linxie could have said "hey enomis just killed of triton in order to frame mastin!".
Or suppose I was in 3PL, with me mastin and enomis. Suppose enomis started off by voting mastin, saying that "ok, it wasn't lucky, you were right, it was mastin, let's get him". I would have said "finally, we can do what I want", and then I would stop and think "maybe I'm being set up" and i would have wrongly killed enomis.
There is always WIFOM everywhere you go, so you can never be too sure about reading why people are killed at night.

Let me know if there is anything you want to expatiate on.

[uctriton00]

Contrasting what "looks townie" and what "looks scummy"

I will contrast Nul and Lucky this game, as I cite them as being on the opposite spectrum of how they were perceived this game.

Nul presided evidence for his cases, and then asked other people what they thought. In effect, he wanted everyone to be talking, so everyone could engage in a large group discussion. The more people talk, the more you get info on what wavelengths people are going on, and in addition, insight on what else you could possibly be missing. Info is info. And as my experience as scum, being forced to talk is difficult since you have to constantly keep up a charade, and the more people point fingers at you, the harder it gets. So going by Nul's actions, that is what made him town.

Lucky on the other hand didn't have much commentary on his votes or actions, and he cited that it's because people who talk a lot usually get lurked. That is actually true. It's often a scum strategy to get up and start posturing, because the lurkers will get scrutinized. And so Lucky your logic was, well if I start posturing, that means people could think I'm scum, so i'll do the opposite.

I understand your choice in not wanting to put your neck out there, and I don't fault it. The logic makes sense: don't do what scum do.

However, you can choose to approach it from the "pawn" perspective. As vanilla townies, we are, sadly, excellent bullet fodder. During the day, we try our best, we talk, and we do what Nul does and effectively scumhunt. Does that make you a target by scum at night AND possible paranoid townies who think you're posturing? Of course. But overall, isn't it better that vanillas go down instead of PRs? "Better me than my more powerful teammate". The whole issue of morality comes in. Are we willing to accept posthumous victories? I mean it's no fun; we wait like 2 months to sign up, and then we get to play for one game day and then we have to queue up again, and probably draw another VT role (I had a streak of like 5 straight VTs).

I actually have a shameful secret too: my aggressiveness gets me to LYLO a lot because it puts me in control of my own destiny, since scum take me to the end. Do I put my trust in my teammates to win the game for me? Or would I rather grab the bat and be either the hero or the goat? It's pretty exciting to be in that position. It's not "fun" dying early in a game. If anyone is a fan of Survivor, this is the Russell Hantz approach.

So the "too long, didn't read" version of this would be:
It's better to be talking, than lurking. Information is power to the town.

[uctriton00]

P.S. what did Mattel do to get modkilled?

[uctriton00]

I was emotionally invested in this game (which is amazing because I get emotionally invested in a lot of my town games, which is a flaw in itself I've come to realize),

but it's finally sunk in that the game is over and this was actually a pretty exciting game. One of my favorite ones on Mafiascum.

Day 1 - a self hammer of a PR
Night 1 - a universal townie read got killed
Day 2 - two claims
Twilight 2 - a rollercoaster
Night 2 - losing the second PR
Day 3 - an et tu brute kill
Night 3 - a WIFOM kill
Day 4 - a full length LYLO

[uctriton00]

You did not even claim doc bro.

[uctriton00]

If I have to listen to a mastin wall then RC should have to listen to one too