Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

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Posting to confirm, reading through the thread now

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That was a short read. Also, TheDominator37, did you just vote yourself?

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No, I'll do it.

VOTE: toblerone187

Although if you vote for me we can have a 3-person chain. Which makes absolutely no sense gameplay wise.

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The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.

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However, the reason I didn't vote for TheDominator37 is because we need that conversation to happen. A bandwagon on day 1 does almost nothing if we aren't actually talking.

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Now I don't know if you are being serious or not. Dom was clearly joking as was Superhans, as was I.... do you have no sense of humour? Or is your sense of humour very dry?

Me? This is my first game. But yeah, in terms of humor I am dry. Usually.

Back to voting: I have no clue.

So, UNVOTE: toblerone187

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Yeah, I realize that now. I probably should have said that self-voting doesn't really help either side. With that in mind, I incline to think TheDominator is town. However, Dominator is at L-2, which means people should unvote.

And to comment on what LicketyQuickety wrote, only two out of the six possible starting scenarios even have a cop. So your suggestion is kind of weird.

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That's not odd. That's what town would do. I didn't mean to include the second part of my last post, didn't notice Connor had posted about it already.

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That's not odd. That's what town would do. I didn't mean to include the second part of my last post, didn't notice Connor had posted about it already.

Why would town do it?
Why wouldn't scum do it?

Town would do it because it helps bring attention to someone with knowledge of the starting scenario, i.e. a power role that could be mafia or town.
Mafia wouldn't do it because it lets information about the game slip. (Namely, it would narrow down the possibilities for the starting scenario and what other power roles are out there.)

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Hmmm.

The only way that LQ would have information about the starting scenario is if he was a power role or mafia; if he was a power role, I personally don't think that he'd be interested in painting a huge target on his back and hinting to the other PR (if one exists) that he is town early is silly when he can confirm himself if he has to by claiming.

So, are you saying LQ is scum?

Also, Mafia Roleblocker would know one of two different sets of power roles could be in play. If LQ is a Mafia Roleblocker than they are finding out which is valid.

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Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.

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Well I read the player list wrong.

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But anyways: At what point is it good to go lurker-hunting?

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No problem. Oh, and if you could get an avatar, that would be great.

Okay.

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You mean ISO? But yeah, a full day sounds good.

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UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

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Of those other two I think FancyPants is the scummiest. So,

VOTE: FancyPants

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Because he only has one post, and it's a vote for a pretty riciculous reason:

VOTE: TheDominator37

Terrible name.

Obvious scumlord, lynch immediately please.

Also, because you (Nachomamma) are voting for Lovesick already. Hunting two lurkers at once is okay, right?

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Good, you're paying attention!

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Oh, okay. VOTE: Lovesick

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UNVOTE:

Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.

I take issue with this... Nacho is a much much better player than myself. I also detailed that I am NOT the IC this game because I didn't/don't want the responsibility.

VOTE: Rautherdir

You are not paying attention.

See 78 and 81 where I admit I made a mistake.

There are no scum or town reads not ones which can be based from a logical stand point based on facts, ony ones made from opinion and thoughs. The only person I have ill feelings to are Nacho as i feel as though he is trying very hard to lead this game and is coming off as a little too strong for me however what have you had to offer which could be of serious use other than this bandwagon on me?

Alright, that is enough for me to unvote. I have no idea what to do next, so: what do you think of my play so far?

@Lickety, I used to play Mafia off-site on a South African site for gaming. As you say we can chat after if you'd like.

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OK I've given the thread a peruse. Not as much real content as I'd hoped, I've got town leans on LQ and Superhans, I don't think the latter is necessarily going about it in the right way, but I see real intent from both players.
Nacho is going to be very hard to ever town read, but he's been pro-town so far.

I'm not completely opposed to a lurker hunt, but for me its too early.

I like that Lovesick had a go at Nacho, OMGUS and paranoia are town tells for me, would still like more content.

@Toblerone, you've talked a bit without saying anything. Give your thoughts/reads? I understand you're new but share them anyway.
@Connor, who's scum?
@Rauther, your vote on me, and then subsequent hop off smells of appeasement.

That would be because post 102 was a fairly good explanation.

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My other reason is that I'd rather not have people at L-2 until we have really good reasons.

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There are two scum. They could conceivably quickhammer. It would be a stupid move, but it's still a move that could happen.

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I am not implying that Lurkers are scum. It's just that more information is good for town. Lurking is not helpful to town, but isn't really indicative of being scum.

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What does "pedit" mean?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Preview_Edit

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Superhans, anyone you think is mafia/town right now?

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Have my recent posts other than the one which you just quoted based on defending myself? I simply responded to Nacho as he had quoted my post.

I'd argue that pursuing information from more than one player at once is much more reasonable and logical than ganging up on one member who at that time wasnt reachable, is that not true?

The reason we were all on a single wagon was because of this post:

RVS (the opening stage) is typically characterized by voting people for silly reasons. Sometimes I participate, sometimes I don't, but voting early game for a silly reason is as alignment-neutral as alignment-neutral gets.

It's okay to hunt multiple lurkers at once but if one deserves suspicion more than the other two then it seems smarter to combine efforts on one.

Looking back that may not have been the best strategy.

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For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

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I come back to ~75 more posts. Wow you guys are active. Beginning with his first post:

6: There was discussion about this, mostly resolving to that either LQ was rolefishing or he was stirring conversation. Either way, I really didn't get a town vibe from this move, due to the fact that he could have inadvertently revealed power roles in the following conversation.

38: Asking for information to figure out how experienced ConnorJC is. Not really indicative of town or scum.

42: Clarifies that 6 was a reaction test.

47: Notes that he doesn't read people the traditional way.

105: Goes back and forth as to whether he has more information or not. Could be breadcrumbing, actually.

130: Votes for me. That was an iffy reason to vote in my opinion, I made a mistake while reading the player list; is that really a good reason to think I'm scum?

158: There's no reason to go after a lurker by putting them at L-2. My comment probably wasn't the best way to phrase it, but what we were doing was quite frankly overkill.

159: I look forward to seeing your reasons to continue voting/unvote me after this post.

185: Could you please elaborate on this?

234: Or one of them could be a scum-mate. Who knows?

249: I didn't put any reasoning behind it at the time. Because I put my reasoning down afterwards.

262: That doesn't mean you don't defend yourself.

266: 5 is not a possibility.

284: Are you admitting to lying here?

There. Reasons. Please analyze them. LQ, could you answer the questions I asked in here?

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I think he's saying that they all moved to me v LQ

Pedit: 5 required me to not post reasons. I posted reasons. 5 is no longer valid.

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Not bad (other than the fact that that post is largely IIoA [at least from my end]). You make a fatal error though: In 249 I was not even talking about you.

I never said you were talking about me. You were talking about Lovesick who was talking about my vote.

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Not bad (other than the fact that that post is largely IIoA [at least from my end]). You make a fatal error though: In 249 I was not even talking about you.

I never said you were talking about me. You were talking about Lovesick who was talking about my vote.

The first sentence was a quote from 310, can the Mod please fix that?

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Then what were you talking about?

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There are two scum. They could conceivably quickhammer. It would be a stupid move, but it's still a move that could happen.

This shouldn't be a significant concern of yours; trading one townie for the scumteam (which is typically what happens in those situations) is a trade that the Town is perfectly comfortable in making.

I think I've said this before, but this is my first game. I don't exactly know what to prioritize.

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Because there's a button that says post on it. I assumed it would allow me to link to posts. I tried it and used the preview button and found out that's how it worked.

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LQ, I've (I admit somewhat badly) given reasons for my vote on you, what are your current reasons for your vote on me?

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It's just the number of the post you want inside the post tags. I think. It worked for me.

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Or we could switch to me v LQ. I'm not backing down until I hear LQ's current reasons to vote me.

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So what I get from the past few posts is that LQ votes based on his gut and not specific reasons. Which would make it extremely difficult for him to answer my question.

UNVOTE:

I still don't know for sure if you're town, LQ, but I noticed something a bit more disconcerting.

VOTE: TheDominator37

Somehow you've gotten away with three posts, two of which were votes. One of those votes was an RVS self-vote, and the other was an unexplained vote for Superhans. An explanation would be more than appropriate.

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He's at L-3 or L-2

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What are your reasons to vote me LQ?

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I don't get a read one way or the other from LQ at this point. TheDominator isn't adding anything to the conversations at all, and I want information from it.

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Maybe. I would go after FancyPants, but he already gave a reason for his lack of voting.

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After the weekend ends I will expect him to post more.

See his post 199

If he doesn't, I'll vote him.

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It wasn't a wagon, it was me and LQ cross-voting.

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Wait, nevermind

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248 discusses the wagon in question.

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Or we could switch to me v LQ. I'm not backing down until I hear LQ's current reasons to vote me.

I know this is kinda old, but why do you want yourself vs LQ?

At the time I knew that was the most likely place to get information out of others.

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Superhans seems noob town to me. My explanation for us being polite with each other is that we're both new players and realize that about each other.

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I meant everyone. I would still like some of the other players to comment on that.

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I'm not really pursuing it right now because there are multiple people not really contributing at all for various reasons.

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Right now he seems town.

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I'm not entirely sure, okay? I'm not really sure about anyone right now. Except about Dominator being a lurker.

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Could you explain that read?

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I am not familiar with that term

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You both use complicated strategies?

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Okay.

Connor, what do you think of a TheDominator-LQ scum team?

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The only reason I have for thinking LQ is mafia at this point is his possible rolefishing post 6, and his failure to adequately explain some of his votes when they were made. Now that I know his primary reason for those votes was a gut feeling I no longer read him as mafia, but I still don't like his post 6.

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I guess so. It would help if I wasn't absolutely confused as to what you've been doing.

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How do you read me?

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You said you didn't know how to continue. So I asked a question.

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@FancyPants, who do you think would be Rautherdir's partner? Me or TheDom?

Unlikely to be you since you started his wagon, seems like a low percentage bus.
Not necessarily the Dom either (but possible). I'm not certain of a few people.

I thought LQ started the wagon on me in this post:

Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.

I take issue with this... Nacho is a much much better player than myself. I also detailed that I am NOT the IC this game because I didn't/don't want the responsibility.

VOTE: Rautherdir

You are not paying attention.

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Connor, why do you think that Dom is a bad line of pursuit? So far, the only contribution he's managed to make is attempting to take credit for starting the game, which doesn't really seem like a town mindset to me.

If we don't find anything better by the end of the day I'd happily lynch Dom; however, there's no point pressuring a player who's only posts are prod dodges when I could be looking for scum where I have information.

If you think Dom has the greatest chance for flipping scum, you should probably vote him; keeping your vote somewhere doesn't mean that you can't use your words to look somewhere else.

He actually said that I was his top scum choice, not Dominator.

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Read the role pms in the second post, it says night only.

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@Rautherdir, who do you think is scum (excepting lurkers) and why?

Alright, in order of most scummy to most towny:

TheDominator. I know you said excepting lurkers, but this goes beyond lurking.
LicketyQuickety. Rolefishing in 6. I still don't like that.
ConnorJC. Going with the popular vote most all of the time.
Superhans. Just not enough town action
Lovesick. It felt like genuine emotion when she was defending herself. However, her lack of attacks on other players could have put her higher in this list.
Nachomamma8. Would have been most town on this list if I saw more recent content
FancyPants. You immediately set about scum-hunting after getting back on.

My scum read is because of the quantity and quality of Rauth's content. Rauth's post 233 got me all pumped up (I would have been delighted if LQ was scum) but it was a fairly terrible read: 298. When LQ accuses Rauth and I of buddying Rauth's response is flavourless; this is the problem I find with all of his posts, they are too two dimensional and don't really add that much to the conversation. A few pages ago FancyPants delivered a complete breakdown of the entire game so far which concluded with a Rautherdir vote and so far Rauth hasn't actually fought back.

I was at school.

Rautherdir (like pop singer Adele) is very middle of the road. The most common emotion (or state of mind) expressed by him is confusion.

I'm not entirely sure, okay? I'm not really sure about anyone right now. Except about Dominator being a lurker.

@Rautherdir, you still on the fence? Who are your reads now?

Gave them earlier in this post.

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LQ, is insulting people really the best way to get town-read?

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I think they are insulting each other.

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I know you didn't start it. I just thought you knew better.

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There were two reasons I voted LQ. One was post 6. The other was his failure to produce a reason for his vote on me.

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There were two reasons I voted LQ. One was post 6. The other was his failure to produce a reason for his vote on me.

He just did produce a sick reason for voting for you, as have I in post 604.

Post 6 was a very very very weak reason indeed. Why include 14 points if all bar one is valid?
Also which scenario out of the 4 here:

There are four different situations with the upcoming Rautherdir vs LicketyQuickety fight.

1) R is scum, trying to appear town-ish by using potentially broken logic to trick the town into lynching LQ.
2) R is town and LQ is scum and the logic he is working with is valid.
3) R is town and LQ is town (most likely), the argument will hopefully yield good content though.
4) Both R and LQ are mafia trying a really cliche technique of pretending to fight each other to gain town trust.

I personally think number 3 is most likely, and number 4 least likely, but wouldn't be surpised if 1/2 is the case.

We'll have to wait for Rautherdir to return before properly making an evaluations.

Do you think is the case and why?

Okay, to be perfectly honest? My vote was to get him to give me a reason for voting me in the first place. After I saw that was going nowhere I put my vote on TheDom who I am almost certain at this point is scum. Out of those, probably 3. I'm coming to the conclusion that post 6 was just an RVS thing.

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That, and I didn't like his lack of reasoning and found it pretty scummy.

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Right now, I'm going to say LQ or ConnorJC. LQ because he's been defending TheDominator quite a bit. If TheDominator ends up town then I would guess LQ is town as well. Connor because he's floating between any popular wagon right now.

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That, and I didn't like his lack of reasoning and found it pretty scummy.

This pushed Ruatherdir to my top scum read, over TheDom.

Wait, so if you thought TheDominator was scummier then me before that, why was your vote on me?

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That, and I didn't like his lack of reasoning and found it pretty scummy.

This pushed Ruatherdir to my top scum read, over TheDom.

Wait, so if you thought TheDominator was scummier then me before that, why was your vote on me?

And, I misread that post. That was FancyPants

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I have a question for Nachomamma:

If you're pretty sure you are about to be lynched and you are a power role, should you claim?

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There were two reasons I voted LQ. One was post 6. The other was his failure to produce a reason for his vote on me.

He just did produce a sick reason for voting for you, as have I in post 604.

Post 6 was a very very very weak reason indeed. Why include 14 points if all bar one is valid?
Also which scenario out of the 4 here:

There are four different situations with the upcoming Rautherdir vs LicketyQuickety fight.

1) R is scum, trying to appear town-ish by using potentially broken logic to trick the town into lynching LQ.
2) R is town and LQ is scum and the logic he is working with is valid.
3) R is town and LQ is town (most likely), the argument will hopefully yield good content though.
4) Both R and LQ are mafia trying a really cliche technique of pretending to fight each other to gain town trust.

I personally think number 3 is most likely, and number 4 least likely, but wouldn't be surpised if 1/2 is the case.

We'll have to wait for Rautherdir to return before properly making an evaluations.

Do you think is the case and why?

Okay, to be perfectly honest? My vote was to get him to give me a reason for voting me in the first place. After I saw that was going nowhere I put my vote on TheDom who I am almost certain at this point is scum. Out of those,

probably 3.

I'm coming to the conclusion that post 6 was just an RVS thing.

Right now, I'm

going to say LQ or ConnorJC

. LQ because he's been defending TheDominator quite a bit. If TheDominator ends up town then I would guess LQ is town as well. Connor because he's floating between any popular wagon right now.

Why say you think it is case 3, TvT, then instantly accuse LQ?

3 if TheDom is town. 2 if TheDom is scum.

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Okay. I'm wondering in case I get quickhammered. Actually, if anyone quickhammers me before I can claim, policy-lynch them please.

PEdit. No. There's a reason I was suspicious of post 6.

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Yeah, except if for some ridiculous line of logic I decided to claim doctor there would probably be at least one other town player who could reliably call me out on it.

Pedit: 609 for my reads.

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No. Look at the chart in post 3.

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I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.

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Yeah, I haven't factored in your recent action. The reasons FancyPants voted me are true, I haven't really posted much of value due to my own ineptitude and my ill-thought out attack on LQ pretty much sealed my fate, I can't really prove him wrong because I don't want to shift from TheDominator and it hasn't posted enough content for me to make any actual attacks against it. FancyPants I read as town. Even though he's voting me.

Pedit: I'm at L-2 I think.

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I am at L-2.

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LQ defended it. Lovesick defended it, but then took that back. So I'm going to say one of them. Here's a suggestion though: don't flip-flop. It gets you lynched.

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LQ defended it. Lovesick defended it, but then took that back. So I'm going to say one of them. Here's a suggestion though: don't flip-flop. It gets you lynched.

I didnt take me defending denominator back, i said i would no longer defend him because he's acknowledged whats going on but made no advances on proving himself what so ever.

That's actually what I meant.

Lovesick read isn't original, pointed out by LQ.

I don't think I actually pointed out that R's lovesick read wasn't original, but thanks anyways.

P-Edit: I got a hankering feeling that FP is Scum. Its is kinda sorta gut though.

I meant that the read that Lovesick is town because of her emotional reaction was first pointed out by you, and hence it isn't like Rautherdir's read is original at all.

I never said it was original. I just agreed. Probably should have noted that though.

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Ok, so assuming Rautherdir is town (I'm not convinced yet, but let's look at every possibility), then who is scum?
FP? Superhans?

Start with TheDominator. LQ mentioned it could be on purpose by town, and it's definitely on purpose, but I really doubt with town motivations at this point.

@Lovesick,

After rereading the posts that just came in, I know don't think that Lovesick is as town. I'd say maybe leaning town.

@Lovesick, please provide some of your own reads.

I particularly don't think anyone is leaning town or mafia as of right now, however there are certain parts of people's playstyles which make me wary/cautious of them
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Rautherdir - Justifying actions of others through Nacho's words and playstyle which I think is never justifiable as it is a preferred playstyle rather than something which should be followed.
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What do you mean by this read?

That Nacho had said something about a certain playstyle and his preference and Rauth quoted his response to a pointi was making against you or connor, justifying yours or connor's actions because of Nacho's preferred way of playing

I was actually justifying my own actions at that point. I had followed Nacho onto your wagon.

Pedit: She's actually contributing now. So that's a reason too.

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Okay. Didn't know that.

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Alright, in order of most scummy to most towny:

TheDominator. I know you said excepting lurkers, but this goes beyond lurking.
LicketyQuickety. Rolefishing in 6. I still don't like that.
ConnorJC. Going with the popular vote most all of the time.
Superhans. Just not enough town action
Lovesick. It felt like genuine emotion when she was defending herself. However, her lack of attacks on other players could have put her higher in this list.
Nachomamma8. Would have been most town on this list if I saw more recent content
FancyPants. You immediately set about scum-hunting after getting back on.

Ok so I have not been the most active on here, but why did you not include me on your read list Rautherdir? Not wanting to sound like I am feeling left out but why am I left out?

Superhans did not pick up on it either:

@Rautherdir, who do you think is scum (excepting lurkers) and why?

Alright, in order of most scummy to most towny:

TheDominator. I know you said excepting lurkers, but this goes beyond lurking.
LicketyQuickety. Rolefishing in 6. I still don't like that.
ConnorJC. Going with the popular vote most all of the time.
Superhans. Just not enough town action
Lovesick. It felt like genuine emotion when she was defending herself. However, her lack of attacks on other players could have put her higher in this list.
Nachomamma8. Would have been most town on this list if I saw more recent content
FancyPants. You immediately set about scum-hunting after getting back on.

Your Dominator read is very safe, everyone bar LQ agrees with you.
You are flip flopping like crazy on your LQ read.
ConnorJC is at least contributing judgement, and more original ideas than you.
Lovesick read isn't original, pointed out by LQ.
Nachomamma8's town read isn't explained... I have some more recent content, does that make more the most town in your books?
FancyPants just voted against you and you haven't properly addressed his attack.

I... forgot about you. Considering your recent play I think you're town though.

@Toblerone many apologies for not noticing that Rautherdir was missing a read on you.

I would also like to hear Rautherdir's answer to your post 743.
A question I don't think anyone has asked Rautherdir is what does he mean by hints?

I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something

I've left out and hinted at a few times.

Rautherdir's ISO isn't exactly Shakespeare's Anthology is it?
I'm sure if we put our minds to it we could come up with a theory at least of what hints he is talking about.

@Rautherdir:
What are these hints?

The hints are for the other power role, who should have figured it out by now. They should not be something that mafia could pick up on. I'd rather not bring attention to them, and if anyone else tries to figure it out in the open I will treat that as a scum tell. The less information scum has about the setup the better.

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As a mafia roleblocker I would not know there was not a cop. As a mafia goon I would not know there was not a cop.

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Dom. If you don't post your reads on everyone in the next 24 hours I will ask everyone to lynch you. And I'm pretty sure they will agree.

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I would like to give it some time in case LQ's suggestion is actually the case. But it needs to actually respond and contribute, because right now it is not helping town at all.

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Hey Dominator, good to see you are actually playing. I'd still like that list of reads, I'll be updating my list as well to account for you being active and other things that happened since I posted my previous list. Actually, can everyone start working on updated reads?

Pedit: Your self-vote also caused more than a bit of confusion. Combined with your lurking it just probably wasn't the

best

play. I won't be counting that against you though.

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Another reads list, this time including Toblerone187. I did not intend to forget you in the last one. Trying a different format this time

Scummy:

ConnorJC. Your constantly following Nacho. I'm not the first to mention that.
Nachomamma. You've left a few questions unanswered. I'd be on the fence regarding you otherwise.

On the fence:

Superhans. It's a gut feeling mostly, I don't have enough evidence to call you scummy but something just doesn't feel right about your play.
Toblerone. I keep forgetting you exist. I'm wondering if you're just really good scum, but that could also be easily caused by a problem on my end.
TheDominator. Keep up the good work. You're almost town in my book.

Town:

Lovesick. Like Superhans, it's just a gut feeling really. I would be on the fence about you otherwise.
FancyPants. You've been doing a good job so far.
LicketyQuickety. Your arguments were the only thing keeping me from calling a lynch on Dominator earlier. Combined with some of your other play, you're now a town read from me.

Pedit. It was a PR soft claim, apparently.

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UNVOTE:

Thank you for the reads, Dominator.

[Rautherdir]

You just finished answering all the ones I noticed, Nacho. So, I'll probably put you as town now. Which means I get to look at everyone again because I only have one person listed as scummy. As to TheDominator, it stopped being a Lurker, I didn't have enough information at the time to put it as scummy. I'll have to look at it's posts again to reach a new decision.

[Rautherdir]

Because you gave good answers in my opinion.

[Rautherdir]

Also, you posted reads

[Rautherdir]

Also, you posted reads

Were the reads a surprise to you?
What questions did I give good answers to?

It was a nice surprise. Although now that I think about it someone asked you for them.

These questions:

It seems like you are trying to discredit me and I don't know why

I'm scumreading you. I don't think that when you post, you're doing so because you want to find and lynch scum. I aim to make it as transparent as possible so that if I'm wrong, people can correct me, and if I'm right, you can get lynched. Was there some huge contribution that you made at that point that I unfairly missed?

Nacho why the push for my lynch? You misrepped connor to try and get him to join me.

I didn't misrep connor; I was unfamiliar with Connor's top suspect at that point because I wasn't fully caught up.

And the reads were asked for by another player, don't remember who.

[Rautherdir]

I already suggested that. A long time ago. I don't see it as very likely. Although you are joking about it...

[Rautherdir]

Dominator, could you please explain your absence?
LQ, could you explain your vote on me?

[Rautherdir]

Okay, to be perfectly honest? My vote was to get him to give me a reason for voting me in the first place. After I saw that was going nowhere I put my vote on TheDom who I am almost certain at this point is scum. Out of those, probably 3. I'm coming to the conclusion that post 6 was just an RVS thing.

Okay. I'm wondering in case I get quickhammered. Actually, if anyone quickhammers me before I can claim, policy-lynch them please.

PEdit. No. There's a reason I

was

suspicious of post 6.

So you say you are now thinking LQ's post 6 was effectively a joke or was intended to move the game forward and get conversation going but less than half an hour later you say there as a reason for your suspicions of that post. So can you clarify where you stand currently? Are you no longer suspicious? If not, what changed your mind and when and why did you bring up your suspicions again after you had changed your mind?

Emphasis added. When I said "was" I meant at the very beginning of the game up until I no longer felt that suspicious.

[Rautherdir]

I had my wisdom teeth removed today and am temporarily incapable of thinking coherently due to pain meds.

@mod: I will be V/LA until Friday

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Well, I'm back. And Dominator has not posted again. I'm trying Ibuprofen today, I'll see how that works out. Dominator and Lovesick, neither of you have posted since my last post, who do you think is scum right now and why?

[Rautherdir]

So can you clarify where you stand currently? Are you no longer suspicious? If not,

what changed your mind and when

and

why did you bring up your suspicions again after you had changed your mind?

Over a period of time I came to the conclusion it was an RVS thing. I brought it up because I was soft-claiming, and my power-role intrinsically means no one else is a cop, which is why I was suspicious of it in the first place.

[Rautherdir]

CLAIM: 1-shot bulletproof Townie

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Convince me post 6 wasn't Rolefishing. I'll be looking at your ISO to find more evidence in the meantime.

Nacho, I was telling the other power role what PR I was. No possibility of cop meaning I'm not a doctor. The fact that I know that meaning I'm a power role.

Also, there is no one to role-block anymore. My ability is passive. Which is why I didn't get NK'd. I'm going to go get Dom and Superhans read lists so we can all see them.

[Rautherdir]

Readlist:

ConnorJC

Got some strong town reads on ConnorJC, mainly because his thought process is clear and I think his logic is genuine. Very active and his content isn’t fluff. Initially I was suspicious of ConnorJC, but this suspicion has faded. I like that ConnorJC has clear intent in his posts, i.e. he follows people who do not answer up, and then will engage with their responses. I also have an even stronger town read on you, as you have (or had in post 642) scum reads on all the players who I’m suspicious of right now.

LicketyQuickety

95.0000% (6sf) Town read on this guy. Play style is bloody annoying at times, but he has made some beautiful town play. I’m sorry I was such a dick to you earlier on

Toblerone

Town read. Read hasn’t changed from 420. Hope you get better soon.

gonna post more in a minute

Nachomamma8

Seemingly Town. His gameplay has been as cool as a cucumber, perhaps this is why I find him so unsettling. His play has been pro-town, but being a player who has played 75 games of newb alone I wouldn't be surprised if this is an act. My fattest scum read right now is on Dominator, and Nacho has been ruthlessly nitpicked everything questionable Dom has said which makes me confident that if Dom is scum, Nacho isn't.
Question is really how reliable is your town read on Rautherdir. @Nachomamma, have you considered what Dominator says in 883 that adds plausibility that Rautherdir's PR claim was in fact a fakeclaim.

Rautherdir

Null. You've been playing in a very fishy way, but I think that Lovesick's analysis of you is likely to be accurate, that you've been fumbling over your words with the pressure put onto you. Hope you get better soon and that you've got pain meds that are enjoyable, not ones that just make you feel like crap.

FancyPants

Town read. So far has acknowledged multiple times that he hasn't had time to properly contribute, and its coming up to Christmas so I'm sympathetic. I believe Fancypants has breadcrumbed.

Lovesick

Keeping this one short. I have a slight scum read on you. You haven't had a chance to respond to my breakdown of your readlist (post 1020) and I don't want to choke you on content.

TheDominator

My biggest problem with TheDominator is that I don't believe his reads are genuine. His reads look like a player who has skimmed lazily through the game that he neglected and shoddily slapped together some unconvincing reads.
My ratinale has remained the same since post 929, 930 and 931, because TheDominator hasn't actually been that active these past two days.

Underlying Rationale of My Vote in 997:

1) I don't believe Dom's pursuit of Nacho was genuine. Accusation that Nacho tunneled him is unconvincing. Accusation that Nacho tried to manipulate other players into voting for you is even less convincing. Are you suggesting Nacho's post 568 is 'manipulation' ?

2) Dominator's point that Nacho misrepresented ConnorJC is also unconvincing. I don't actually know at what point Nacho did misrepresent Connor, but if it was an example of manipulation, why aren't you pressing Nacho hard on this point.

2) I'm not convinced that TheDominator believes Nachomamma is trying to discredit him. Even less convinced that theDominator believes Nacho was pushing for his lynching.

3) TheDominator suggests Rautherdir and I are scum then almost instantly contradicts himself. Dominator has yet to answer the question in 934 addressing this.

4) a) In post 887 Dominator uses the reasoning that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" basically saying that he agrees with LQ's scum reads on Nacho. However, he doesn't actually add to LQ's reads, and if he genuinely believes Nacho to be scum, and genuinely believes LQ's reads, surely he would push harder.
b) Following on from the previous point, LQ's scumcusation on Nacho was that he didn't buy Nachos town-read on Rautherdir. If Dominator actually did agree with LQ's logic, then why would he assume Rautherdir is telling the truth with his PR claim. The whole premise of LQs argument is that this isn't the case.

6) Process of elimination.

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ConnorJC- Sheeps nacho way to much for my liking but the way he's being manipulated by nacho makes me think xthat if nacho is scum than connor is town. So overall slight town lean
Rautherdir- I'm still confused whether or not it was PR claim so idk.
toblerone187- Kind of mixing in with the crowd but has mae a few good points. Town
Superhans- Getting mixed feelings so null but most likely is the same allignment as rauth
Lovesick- I little to much IIOA for me. Slight scum lean
FancyPants- A little lurky at the start (heh) but had a nice sentrance slight town lean
LicketyQuickety- Can not ever find scum intentions in his posts. Moves town discussion along. Town
TheDominator37- My PM is green so Town
Nachomamma8- Is tunneling me and is manipulating others into voting me. Scum

VOTE: nacho

[Rautherdir]

CLAIM: 1-shot bulletproof Townie

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Convince me post 6 wasn't Rolefishing. I'll be looking at your ISO to find more evidence in the meantime.

LQ, I was telling the other power role what PR I was. No possibility of cop meaning I'm not a doctor. The fact that I know that meaning I'm a power role.

Also, there is no one to role-block anymore. My ability is passive. Which is why I didn't get NK'd. I'm going to go get Dom and Superhans read lists so we can all see them.

EBWOP

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: Dom

If you don't want to play, you can get yourself lynched!

This annoys me a lot. LQ probably realized that we were at L-1. Even though, he still didn't mention that fact or tell newbies to give intent before hammering, which lead to toblerone hammering.

LQ put Dominator at L-1. That said, I really don't like that reason. Dom never said he didn't want to play, just that it needed time to catch up.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. In the future I think we should probably have the L-1 vote post something along the lines of "Next vote should be intent to vote only until [player name] has claimed."

[Rautherdir]

Toblerone, what is your read on LQ?

I have never really felt that LQ was town, hence my post 1120

I have said before that his confusing posts and inability to answer simple question with simple answers does not help town and does not help with scum hunting

I would support an LQ lynch

Let LQ respond and other players post before voting him though. I'd like to see what everyone else has to say.

[Rautherdir]

I will take responsibility for not calling out L-1, but barring that, I can not say that I can take the responsibility for his lynch.

Are you guys forgetting that Nacho wanted Dom dead since very early in the game?

We had said a long time ago not to vote beyond L-2 when pressuring. And yeah, Nacho was hunting lurkers and when Dom was the only real lurker left Nacho started tunneling on it.

[Rautherdir]

I will take responsibility for not calling out L-1, but barring that, I can not say that I can take the responsibility for his lynch.

Are you guys forgetting that Nacho wanted Dom dead since very early in the game?

We had said a long time ago not to vote beyond L-2 when pressuring. And yeah, Nacho was hunting lurkers and when Dom was the only real lurker left Nacho started tunneling on it.

We

said that? I don't remember being apart of that conversation, never mind agreeing to something like that. Mind linking it? And don't say that stupid comment you made about not putting someone at L-2 because Scum might double hammer, because honestly, I wouldn't personally call that a conversation.

EBWOP

149 and 151

Let me just set this straight, when I say we, I refer to all players. If I say us, it's just us.

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I will take responsibility for not calling out L-1, but barring that, I can not say that I can take the responsibility for his lynch.

Are you guys forgetting that Nacho wanted Dom dead since very early in the game?

We had said a long time ago not to vote beyond L-2 when pressuring. And yeah, Nacho was hunting lurkers and when Dom was the only real lurker left Nacho started tunneling on it.

We

said that? I don't remember being apart of that conversation, never mind agreeing to something like that. Mind linking it? And don't say that stupid comment you made about not putting someone at L-2 because Scum might double hammer, because honestly, I wouldn't personally call that a conversation.

149 and 151

EBWOP

Let me just set this straight, when I say we, I refer to all players. If I say us, it's just us.

EBWOP.

[Rautherdir]

I cannot get that right. The posts are mine.

[Rautherdir]

One of the posts is Connor's, the other is mine. The links are mine.

[Rautherdir]

No. Your post 6 and general quality, tone, and style of posts lead me to believe you are scum as well.

[Rautherdir]

No. Your post 6 and general quality, tone, and style of posts lead me to believe you are scum as well.

Describe the "general quality, tone and style of posts." And where did you learn those terms anyways?

I still want you to provide your crumb, which you still have yet to do as well as pointing out where you were trying to communicate with the the other TPR.

Quality: You post a lot of content that is somewhat related to the current topic. However many of your posts tend to confuse others.
Tone: You generally seem to be above other players.
Style: Your posts seem to stay on topic more than they actually do.

And where did I learn them? College-level English course.

My breadcrumb was way back in 68. If the other power role was a tracker they could have figured out that I was either a 1-shot bp or a cop. I later clarified that afterwards by noting that there wasn't a cop after I soft-claimed, and I stated several times I didn't think there was a cop. Jailkeeper could have figured it out easily after I mentioned the roleblocker being a possibility.

So i am prolly getting lynched today. It happens. What I can try and do is get as close to Scum as possible. That means I have to Scumhunt. That means I need time to work, so don't quick hammer because that isn't good for anyone except Scum.

I agree that we don't need a quickhammer. If anyone puts you at L-1 before everyone else has at least commented on the wagon I will unvote as soon as possible until the situation is cleared up.

[Rautherdir]

Quality: NAI. If you think you can prove otherwise, be my guest. I'd be fine meta diving myself to show that is not the case.
Tone: Explain

how

that is AI. In other words, I have no idea what exactly you are saying here and if I don't know what you are saying, I can't say how it is AI or not.
Style: Yes, this is true. What's you theory on how that makes me Scum?

??? Tracker??? How would they know you could be a Cop when if there is a Tracker there is no Cop in the game?

It doesn't help town.

They would know I couldn't be a cop. The point was that I was disagreeing with a cop being in the game, meaning I couldn't be a doctor. It was my first time bread crumbing. I made mistakes.

[Rautherdir]

Nacho? You've been posting in other games Nacho, why not this one?

[Rautherdir]

UNVOTE:

No lynching until the replacement for FancyPants gets here.

[Rautherdir]

Welcome Grendel! How much have you read of this game?

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, the game slowed down bad. I should probably go back through and make a new reads list myself.

[Rautherdir]

He didn't self-hammer, just saying. That said, he did shout out that he was scum; so I might not know what I'm talking about.

[Rautherdir]

LicketyQuickity: His weird, non-liner thought process to the game is much more likely to come from town then scum. I may be recalling this incorrectly because its been...

months

since I read it, but I recall reading a scum game of LQ's and he was shooting straighter with his logic. He was also much more defensive then offensive there. This game he

regularly

goes out of his way to engage others instead of waiting for others to come to him. His acknowledging other's objections of him going against the grain while LQ himself doesn't really try to adjust his play this game is also really town.

As much as I hate to admit this (due to the possibility someone will use this to read me as Scum in the future) this is dead accurate. I have a lot of trouble mimicking my Town game when Scum. Its hard to copy that non-linear type thinking as Scum for me.

Everyone's here, though not all caught up yet, so I'll just reveal what my early vote day 2 was all about.

I looked a bit over LQ's meta during night 1, and came to the conclusion that his play was almost certainly town. I also knew that I had a reason to vote him that scum would be likely to get onto. So, ConnorJC and Toblerone. I believe one of you is scum. Before night 1 Connor read LQ as town in 1025, his quick change to reading as scum in 1118 is suspect. Toblerone quick hammered Dom, who I was reading as town-null at that point. Needless to say, both of you were also on the Dominator lynch. I'm not voting yet, but right now I suspect ConnorJC more than Toblerone. I'll need to ISO both of you before I come to a solid conclusion.

[Rautherdir]

So why don't you think they can't both be Scum?

What are your thoughts on Superhans 1067 regarding FPs crumb? IDK what crumb Superhans saw, but I believe I saw a cop crumb.

I doubt both of them as scum would get on the same wagon. I mean, it's possible... but unlikely.

I didn't think FP crumbed. We don't have a cop and I knew it at the time though, so that may have prevented me from seeing a fake crumb. FP got replaced and Superhans got NKd, so we can't really find out what happened there.

[Rautherdir]

@Grendel, please address Ruatherdir's PR claim.

Why does everybody keep reading him without this, as it's basically the deciding factor between town and scum?

No, its not the deciding factor and shouldn't be. Its one way to view that slot, but not the only way.

Maybe deciding factor was too strict, but it's *very* important, and he didn't address it at all.

Grendel has only read to page 25. At that point I hadn't claimed yet.

[Rautherdir]

Also, you say reaction test.
TheDom lynch was a reaction test?

No. Me voting LQ was a reaction test.

[Rautherdir]

Also, you say reaction test.
TheDom lynch was a reaction test?

No. Me voting LQ was the reaction test LQ is talking about.

EBWOP

[Rautherdir]

No, my point is that he suspects me and toblerone, so he points out that we were on the Dom lynch, but ignores the other people on it.
He's looking for evidence rather than scum, and that's kinda confirmation bias.

The other people on it were LQ, who I think is town, Superhans, who was NKd, and Nacho, who has a null read from me. That leaves you and Toblerone.

[Rautherdir]

So, Secret Agent Jin, how far have you read? Any thoughts?

[Rautherdir]

Toblerone: confidant, forward, open fisted. Their posts demonstrate a level of sure footedness that is unlikely to come from inexperienced scum. They also town slipped hard on page 25.

My lynch pool today is solely Toblerone, and ConnorJC. I'm not supporting anything else.

Generating competing wagons on both the players in my lynch pool would be a wonderful winter time miracle for Grendel!

VOTE: toblerone187

Why the change in your read on me Grendel?

Let me point something else out that was in that post 1223 that has already been discussed:

Im stopping at page 25 tonight.

He was only at page 25 when he made that post, which included his read on you. He updated his reads after a) reading more of the thread, and b) finding out about my claim. It's perfectly acceptable in my view to change your reads that much after reviewing that much content.

Vote: Grendel

I have catching up to do, but am not sure when it will be done. I don't mind Grendel's original reads, but the shift as pointed out doesn't really make sense.

As I pointed out above, they do. I won't critique as much about this considering your apparent absence, but that was not the way I would have gotten back into the game.

[Rautherdir]

My lynch pool today is solely Toblerone, and ConnorJC. I'm not supporting anything else.

That's anti-town.

And yet I'm suggesting the same thing. I don't consider it anti-town, it's the results of a town gambit.

[Rautherdir]

He was only at page 25 when he made that post, which included his read on you. He updated his reads after a) reading more of the thread, and b) finding out about my claim. It's perfectly acceptable in my view to change your reads that much after reviewing that much content.

Do you know what changed his read?

No. I'm not Grendel, I don't know what changed his read. I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of information between page 25 and where we are currently.
That said, Grendel, what did change your mind about Toblerone?

[Rautherdir]

No, not the specific lynches, but his inability to change them. He said he won't lynch anyone but me and Toblerone, at all, regardless of what happens.
Knowing this, I won't even bother discussing reads with him much, as it makes literally no difference.

Imagine a game where everyone would choose who they would lynch at the beginning of the day, and didn't budge. Seems like an easy game for scum to win. Half of this game is convincing other people to vote with you.

Oh. Right, didn't think about that. I'm going to need to see his reasons for voting first before saying anything else.

[Rautherdir]

@Rautherdir, you appear to have missed this.

Please explain your reasoning behind why scum and only scum would join the LQ bandwagon.

I never said only scum would join the LQ bandwagon. I just said it was something scum would be extremely likely to get onto.

[Rautherdir]

I'll address the problem with the first part in a bit. In the meantime, why is scum extremely likely to get on that wagon?

I read LQ as extremely town. I have since night 1 after I read up on his meta. I decided to do a gambit, however, and used reasons that made some sense. Scum, who would know LQ is town, would probably try and strengthen my push on LQ to get a mislynch. Therefore they would get on with reasons that made better sense than mine.

[Rautherdir]

I have been, and will keep saying that I think only one of you is scum. Almost certainly not both of you. Both scum getting on a wagon together on anything but the game winning lynch would be stupid, as you said, and I don't think any of you would actually do that. I did guess that one of the scum team would get on though, which you apparently agree with given your vote. My argument against LQ is convincing as long as you don't look at his other games, where it becomes clear he doesn't play that way as scum.

[Rautherdir]

Hey Connor, could you explain 798 for me in light of Superhans being the lynch?

[Rautherdir]

Hey Connor, could you explain 798 for me in light of Superhans being the NK?

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[Rautherdir]

I just think its funny how you are calling me anti-town for narrowing my lynch pool down to two people today. Then you went right on to support a low info counter wagon I had started.

You do realize I kind of started the wagons on Connor and Toblerone in post 1231, right? I mean I didn't start them by voting, but I suggested the narrowed down view.

[Rautherdir]

I am very confident that LQ is town. His play so far matches up with his town play in other games.

[Rautherdir]

Speaking of, I have continually been noting that I think

one of you

is scum. I don't know which, and each time I look it seems my opinion on who's scum changes. But your insistence on getting what I'm saying wrong has convinced me to do this:

VOTE: ConnorJC

Trust me, if you flip town and there's no one better (i.e. no quickhammerer to lynch), I will get Toblerone lynched.

THIS IS THE L-2 VOTE. L-1 MUST PUT A WARNING UP NOTIFYING THE LYNCHING VOTE TO POST INTENT TO VOTE FIRST. IF YOU LYNCH WITHOUT LETTING THE LYNCHEE POST FIRST YOU WILL BE POLICY LYNCHED. IF L-1 FAILS TO PUT UP A NOTICE, THEY WILL BE POLICY LYNCHED.

[Rautherdir]

Grendel, that is why I can't decide who is scum. I've scumread Connor the longest, but Toblerone, as you pointed out, looks like scum if he's experienced. Right now I still believe that Toblerone is new, though.

[Rautherdir]

@ratherdir

Since this is your first game, how have you planed on handling a hypothetical lylo?

As I'm going to assume, and most likely keep on assuming you rolled BP. As the BP you have a guarantied ticket into lylo if we mislynch today/tomorrow. So if you haven't already done so you need to strategize this situation ahead of time. Sorry to heap pressure on you, but you'll probably have to play "kingmaker", which is tough to do on ones first go around the bin.

Also, don't _actually_ answer the above question. It is rhetorical. Answering it right now would give the mafia a leg up on who to night kill next. Just... keep it in your notes.

Don't worry, I've got a plan in motion. I came up with it during night one, while I was bored and looking through completed games.

[Rautherdir]

Um, I can still be night killed. It's only one-shot bulletproof.

[Rautherdir]

Will I die if/when you flip scum?

You will most likely be NK'd if Connor is scum. One alive conf-town is bad. Two alive conf-towners isn't a winnable situation.

[Rautherdir]

I dont think this back and forth between Tob and JC is TvT. There has to be a scummy player between them, i think the conversation would have resulted in agreeing to disagree by now if it was TvT.

The argument here is that because they are still arguing, they both can't be town.

Now, I understand that not everyone here has boatloads of experience, but I think it's a pretty ridiculous assertion that two townies never argue a bunch, and using that in order to provide a "there's for sure one scum between Connor/Toblerone" makes it look like he's trying to find a way to lynch both of them in succession.

I believe one of Connor/Toblerone is scum due to reasoning in 1231. What do you think about that reasoning?

[Rautherdir]

I'd like to see what Rautherdir thinks of this situation, as we likely need him to be able to lynch Toblerone (Or me tbh).

All that stuff you've said so far only applies if I know you're town. I read up on Toblerone's last game, and I somewhat doubt now that he's scum. I really need to see your flip to know what to do next. (Also I already have my vote on you. We would need Nacho or Grendel to decide, actually.)

[Rautherdir]

I commented on what happened after SAJ's intent.

[Rautherdir]

I'm actually considering voting Nacho at this point. I'm still getting second thoughts about Connor, the only reason my vote stands is because I'm just stubborn and don't see enough reason to vote Toblerone. Nacho, you really need to contribute more, and from what I've read in other games you haven't been making comments that fit in with being an IC. I can see you asking questions to stir conversation, but it isn't a style I think town would employ.

[Rautherdir]

I haven't been making comments that it in with being an IC?
What do you mean by that?

I agree that my contributions has been lower than usual, but the implication that I haven't contributed enough (period) is a bit short sighted.

You're alive!

It just feels kind of like you are lurking. But yeah, I am starting to get worried that Connor-Toblerone is TvT. LQ's ridiculous scum-claim may have ruined my scum-catching plan.

[Rautherdir]

It just feels kind of like you are lurking.

What do you think of Grendel-Secret Agent Jin?

I had Lovesick as townish read, and a null read on FancyPants. I don't really have enough information to give a read on SAJ, and Grendel retains the null read. So, possibly, just not likely in my eyes.

You know what I'm thinking? I haven't seen a hammer on either Connor or Toblerone. Which perplexes me.

UNVOTE:

I need to think. This isn't a situation I was prepared for.

[Rautherdir]

You know what I'm thinking? I haven't seen a hammer on either Connor or Toblerone. Which perplexes me.

You expected two quickhammers in a row?

No. I expected one of them to get lynched by this point. Should have worded that better.

[Rautherdir]

I had Lovesick as townish read, and a null read on FancyPants. I don't really have enough information to give a read on SAJ, and Grendel retains the null read. So, possibly, just not likely in my eyes.

I don't understand why you'd be happy ending today with such incomplete reads on two slots. Since when is 3 weeks and 62 pages not enough to form complete reads on two slots?

Fancypants+Grendel: 74 posts
Lovesick+SAJ: 86 posts

Quite a few of them had problems with lurking, and I'm trying not to factor lurking into my reads as much right now.

[Rautherdir]

LQ, what do you think about Grendel and SAJ?

pEdit: I said Lovesick was townish. Then again, I remember her mostly defending herself and not really scumhunting. And in light of Connor-Toblerone possibly being TvT and some of SAJ's plays...

[Rautherdir]

Jin has not really impressed me at all and FP didn't offer a lot of what I would consider terribly AI.

SAJ replaced Lovesick, not FancyPants.

[Rautherdir]

Oh, no, please don't mislynch someone besides me. If we do that town likely loses tomorrow.

Alright. Tell me who besides Toblerone we should lynch.

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Oh, no, please don't mislynch someone besides me. If we do that town likely loses tomorrow.

Alright. Tell me who besides Toblerone we should lynch.

Well, I'm going to say LQ, and you're going to say you're town reading LQ hard.

Yeah. Let me rephrase:
What do you think about Nacho, Grendel, and SAJ?

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SAJ, you're also on apparently!

What do you think about LQ, Grendel, and Nacho?

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Grendel!

What do you think about Connor, SAJ, and Nacho?

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@Everyone

I will no longer be able to post in (expired on 2017-01-06 15:00:00)

@Plot: I will be V/LA from then until Monday.

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These are the two posts I referred to in my previous post. Inbetween these two posts SAJ did not interact with Connor

AT ALL

. He didn't question him, didn't respond to him - nothing at all

He just allowed him to continue to repeat about how bad his lynch would be for town and what town need to do afterwards (this was the whole series of "One last things", "Last post I promise" posts IIRC)

I just find it very strange that he can go from intent to hammer Connor to being convinced he isn't easily with no interaction and also noticeably no reasoning as to his change of mind

That's one of the things that has me worried about SAJ.

I've been asking the others, so it's your turn now. What do you think about Nacho, LQ, and Grendel?

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I'm back!

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So now town wants to vote SAJ. How did that happen? (Don't actually answer, I'll go back and look at what happened since I left.)

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Well. I mean I favor a vote on SAJ, just didn't expect it honestly.

Intent to vote Secret Agent Jin.

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I'll be on throughout the day. That's why I posted intent and didn't actually vote.

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So your read on me depends on whether you're right with Jin and nothing I actually do?

Everything you could do to influence the results of Jin's flip in regards to you, you have already done with one exception: voting him.

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Or at least that's what I understand, LQ or Nacho might correct me on that.

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I have posted intent to vote SAJ

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I've got to get to sleep. See you all day 3!

VOTE: Secret Agent Jin

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So. We got scum. We can mislynch once. Grendel, would you like to give your thoughts on why Connor got night killed?

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Connor had heavy scum reads on LQ and Toblerone, but he never really specified his reads in the event of SAJ being scum and Connor being the NK. I honestly expected someone else to be NKed if you were scum.

I need to read Lovesick and SAJ's ISOs again before making any real decisions.

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WARNING. DO NOT HAMMER WITHOUT POSTING INTENT FIRST!

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And you would shoot me and waste a nightkill why?

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Toblerone, what do you think about a Grendel Lynch?

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Intent to vote Grendel.

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And both Scum dropping out at the same time. That hurt

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...

That hurt your chances of winning pretty bad, I had Lovesick as null and FancyPants as town before you both dropped out.

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Day 2... That went on far too long