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In post 33, nopointinactingup wrote:In post 29, goodmorning wrote:Hmmmmmm Sonic might be Scum.
Vote:GoodmorningWhy?
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In post 42, Metal Sonic wrote:Scum have partner, not partner!s
Did you fail English grammar class or are you scum?
Must Uncle Sonic teach you the difference between singular and plural nouns now?
VOTE: Zebulin
You're voting him for bad grammar?
Why are you soft-defending NPAU?
In post 49, Metal Sonic wrote:Some people point their gun before asking questions. Others ask their questions before pointing their gun.
That's an interesting observation though, and it is noted for future consideration.
Same question as above.
In post 54, EspressoDan wrote:James May left
UNVOTE:
VOTE: nyanyanya because your name is hard to type.
Random Voting Stage is best stage!
Why are you trying to continue the RVS stage with a second RVS vote when we are starting to get content that can move the game forward?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You shouldn't assume I have town-reads on you both, because I don't. You two are the only one's who have posted since we found our first scum.
Don't defend him with meta either. That's awful.
Now, sheep me.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 69, Metal Sonic wrote:
Bluebloodedtoffee, aren't you going to answer my questions? You should set a precedent for question-answering, otherwise people wouldn't want to answer your questions anymore for being a hypocrite
You should also set a precedent for answering questions. Given that you completely ignored my questions in 55.
You don't want people to think you're a hypocrite now, do you?
In post 70, Shinobi wrote:It's not a meta defense.
The thing you need to understand is that lynching someone because you don't like their playstyle is lynching someone for poor reasoning. Being weird doesn't make him scum. If we actually try to lynch him at this point in the game, it's nothing more than a policy lynch.
If you have an actual case on MS, I'd be more inclined to vote with you; otherwise, I'm not going to vote him.
You just said 'It's MS, that's just how he is'. That looks like a meta defence for his play so far, am I mistaken?
I didn't like his entry post. I didn't like him speaking about his 'partner', simultaneously claiming VT and Mason. I don't like his vote-hopping either. That's more than enough reason for me to vote him at this point in the game.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 75, Shinobi wrote:I feel like the term "defense" is being stretched particularly thin. I never really defended MS at that point in time; I stated that lynching him for being weird isn't a valid reason. And it isn't.
I didn't really feel like his entry post, in regards to his claiming both vanilla town and mason, is particularly damning evidence. What if he actually is a mason? Are you going to run him up just to find out? There are only two roles to claim in this setup, so claiming both of them at once while not at L-1 doesn't look particularly damning. Vote hopping is the only valid piece of evidence that I can see against him at this point, but I simply don't feel like this is a strong enough case to warrant my vote. If his nonsense continues or better evidence comes up, I'll consider voting him.
I would, however, love to hear more than three people talking about this.
I would say you soft-defended him. It was nowhere near as blatant as MS' soft-defend of NPAU (nopointactingup) but it was there.
I'd like to run him up and find out, yeah. A Mason just wouldn't make a post like that, either he is a bad VT or he's scum, and I think the latter fits better with his play so far.
I would also like to hear from some more people. It would be excellent if they could read the thread and then sheep me.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 82, Shinobi wrote:
I fail to see how "soft-defending" anyone is relevant information. Are you implying that NPAU is his scumbuddy? How does that make him scum in this circumstance? Why don't you think a mason would make that post?
It's not a whole lot to go on right now, but it can be very useful later in the game when there will have been flips/NK's.
I may be implying that NPAU could be his scum-buddy. Of course, he could be a Mason soft-defending his partner, but as I previously stated, I have already ruled this possibility out. Why doyouthink he took it upon himself to answer a question that was directed at somebody else?
I just don't think a Mason would essentially make a soft-claim like that in an entry post. It seems a little dangerous.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 85, Shinobi wrote:
I just don't see the mason angle and I'd prefer to leave it at that. It should be obvious that talking about possible masons is bad, and this conversation could be used by scum for narrowing down possible mason suspects.
I agree. Could you answer my question though?
In post 83, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why doyouthink he took it upon himself to answer a question that was directed at somebody else?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 87, Shinobi wrote:I don't know. Maybe you should ask him instead of jumping to the conclusion that he's scum for answering someone else's question.
I have. He chose not to respond.
That's not the only reason I'm scum-reading him either.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 89, Malakittens wrote:
Interesting. Remind me again why you have such a hate on meta?
So far I haven't liked your posting at all. For little things: call out people for soft defening, but in my eyes that exactly what you are doing.
Because meta is easily manipulated and it's a poor scum-hunting tool.
Who have I soft-defended?
You're also unbelievable bad at reading me.
In post 92, Shinobi wrote:
I'm aware, but that isn't the issue.
Without having his flip in front of you, that post could have come from town!MS or scum!MS, and you have no way of knowing otherwise. NPAU is actually guilty of doing this "soft-defending" as well, but you haven't seemed to have called him on it at all. What gives?
Correct, which is why I said it isn't anything hugely significant right now, but it could be useful later on in the game.
Are you sure I didn't pick up on the soft-defending from NPAU?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 95, Shinobi wrote:You didn't say anything up until now, so I would assume that you didn't. Unless you find it advantageous to hide information from the town.
What's your read on NPAU?
When the time is right I'll reveal all. I'm null on NPAU right now given he has done nothing.
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In post 100, Malakittens wrote:Yes, but it's not always going to stay like that. It's not random for me anymore, but that's my view. I feel like there's enough non fluff content to get out of RVS stage.
@BBT: when you questioned ms' vote on Zeb
Nah, I was trying to understand the reason behind MS' vote because I couldn't see one.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:
This is a flimsy argument on Day1, since it depends not only on MS being scum first (which is highly unlikely), but also that scum actually defends their partners at all (which is 50-50 at best).
We've only got 5 pages. Are you expected a rock-solid case by now? Please.
Why is it highly unlikely that MS is scum?
You both soft-defended each other. It's quite plausible that you're both scum.
In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:
You couldn't find any reason in MS's post, which means you couldn't find anything scummy in MS's posts, yet you're already linking him to supposed scum-buddy?
This doesn't really make sense to me but I'll try to respond anyway.
I couldn't find the reason for why MS voted Zeb. Therefore, I asked (tongue-in-cheek) if he was voting him for his bad grammar as that was the only *reason* I could see. I have seen plenty of scummy behaviour from MS so far, and have stated such things in 72.
I'll state this part again to avoid any confusion. I do not think MS is scumsolely based on his soft-defendof you. I alsodo not thinkthat would be a valid reason on it's own to lynch somebody., it can become useful later in the game due to flips/NK's. Capiche?BUTMeta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 111, Huntress wrote:
Meta is a good tool if used wisely. Don't blame the tool for the way it's sometimes misused.
I don't really want to get into this in the middle of a game, would prefer to talk about it post-game, but if somebody is aware of their meta or how certain people interpret meta, it can be manipulated quite easily.
In post 111, Huntress wrote:@ BBT:I asked you what you didn't like about MS's vote-hopping. Still waiting for an answer.
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In post 116, Metal Sonic wrote:Haven't you heard? A vote is the town's best weapon!
A vote is a good weapon; however, when it only sticks on someone for a page or so, it pretty much becomes useless. Your vote serves no purpose as you're expected to move it onto the next target within the next 25 posts.
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In post 128, Metal Sonic wrote:
I don't want to be pointing my weapon and accidentally killing someone who is town.
One vote can't kill someone.
You can also just unvote. It doesn't have to transfer to somebody else.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 132, Zebulin wrote:Toffee pressures Metal Sonic
Metal Sonic tells Toffee to leave him alone
I don't like this at all. Town should be fine with scumhunting, even if it's on them (since they can say all their thoughts; as town, they have nothing to hide). Also, the uncle sonic thing bugs me.
Will post more when I have time
This is an overreaction. I don't like this post.
In post 137, Josh_B wrote:Right now I think MS is town. The VT gambit is semi rolefishing but further play says maybe not. Trying to get a rise out of the Mason? most likely. Gonna draw out scum? Probably.
You think town semi-role fish?
How do you think it draws out scum?
In post 143, Huntress wrote:
Vote hopping is a null tell. What was there about MS's vote changes that you found scummy?
This is an empty question. I'm done on this topic. I didn't like his vote hopping. I didn't like his OMGUS on me. I don't like that his votes barely stick on the same person for more than a page. It renders his vote useless, of course, that would only matter if he was town.
In post 143, Huntress wrote:
Would you describe your own vote change, after only 15 posts, as useless? I doubt it, so why object to his purely on postcount?
Are you seriously comparing me changing from myRVS vote to a serious vote, to MS' vote-hopping. Please, tell me you're not doing that.
In post 146, Josh_B wrote:
BBT, I'm not understanding your vote on the soft defense. Seems more like MS was giving a POV than trying to defend someone. What would be the point of tying himself to his scum partner so quickly?
Why would MS feel the need to answer a question directed at someone else? It would obviously be a mistake from scum that they would hope no-one would pick up on. I doubt MS made the post thinking he would get linked to NPAU.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 137, Josh_B wrote:Right now I think MS is town. The VT gambit is semi rolefishing but further play says maybe not. Trying to get a rise out of the Mason? most likely. Gonna draw out scum? Probably.
Also, I forgot to add. Why would town try to get a rise out of a Mason?
And what have you done to develop this read? Other than telling MS to stop doing the things you're finding scummy.
In post 143, Huntress wrote:
In post 137, Josh_B wrote:On the other hand, I'm really not feeling Town Huntress.
Why would that be?
Yuck. Asking why someone isn't town-reading you. Bad post.
In post 176, Metal Sonic wrote:
This post in particular was one of the worst catchup posts that I would only expect from bad VIs (user VDA) or just textbook scum.
It does not provide any substantiation comments on the game state, does not give any reads, does not mention if anybody is town, and are just lackadaisical comments that provide absolutely no contribution or any form of curiosity of scum hunting nature that would be expected from a townie.
I called you out for lurking, so you read the previous pages and made a few swift comments to appease te town and super quote blocks to make your post seem long. Like, it takes only 10 minutes max to read 2 pages of content, and for the past few days you checked the thread only to prod dodge. When an expected analysis of the previous two pages was to be analyses, you gave no analysis whatsoever. No reads, no scumhunting, nothing.
I actually agree with most of this.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 184, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 181, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You think town semi-role fish?
I never semi role-fished. All I said was that I am a Vanilla Townie over and over. I told the masons to stay quiet. If anyone is going to get rolefished, it's the scum.
You realize it was Josh that said that in his opening post right? Can you let him answer it please.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 188, Metal Sonic wrote:
You see, that answers this question too.
Anyway, you were making a post concerning me, so now I have even more reason to butt in and answer a question directed to someone else.
That's apt. You answered another question that wasn't aimed at you so you could follow up with that defence.
It may have been talkingaboutyou, but it wasn'ttoyou. I would prefer it if you could leave people to answer the questions that are directed at them and not you.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 191, Metal Sonic wrote:
Sure, fine, I won't interrupt.
Both you and me are active now, though,
I know you are town.
You know I am town.
Let's have some constructive discussion
I don't know you're town.
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I'm not going through her posts.
What I will say is that she hasn't done much. She is null right now for me because I don't see anything that's particularly townie or particularly scummy from her so far.
PEdit - I think I'm leaning scum on Huntress. Shinobi is null right now, again, he really hasn't done much.
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In post 200, Metal Sonic wrote:
I don't have any good answers besides "He looks town". He did mention that he "burned" me in another game, that was half-true. I was townreading him for quite awhile until the later part of the game where he became obvscum. It might be happening now, and I have no way to find out.
Look at how defensive she is. And I wrote a pretty big case against her for a game with less than ten pages. You read that, didn't you?
Hmm, maybe you shouldn't town-read people so quickly. Shinobi really hasn't done much. I feel like you're town-reading people to appease.
Defensiveness does not equal scum. I did read your case and I agreed with it. I just don't agree with the conclusion that she is scum because of it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 202, Metal Sonic wrote:
Maybe. The content in this game is very little and it's affecting my results, I'm working with what I have. In a larger game, it would be very obvious to me who is town and not. I'm playing Uncle Sonic to appease, by the way, so you're not totally wrong.
Defensiveness does equal scum. Active lurking also equals scum. Not contributing to the town despite being here =refusingto contribute = scum. What else? Right. Having bad reactions when one is being put at L-3 at page 7 probably adds quite a few scumpoints too.
I agree that we have too many people not contributing.
I am a defensive player. So many people misinterpret this as scummy. It's not always the case. Active lurking I agree is scummy, which is why I have asked GM to actually do something.
You don't think someone has the right to react badly if they are put to L-3 after 7 pages when half the votes on them are RVS votes?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 218, goodmorning wrote:No. I think he's Scum because
1. He hasn't displayed any interest in the actual content of anyone's posts, preferring instead to substitute his own narrative over the actual words people are actually saying.
2. His attempts to control the game are incredibly manipulative (as are some of his posts).
3. His butting in at various times is annoying at best (implies scummy at worst).
4. He's failed to answer my questions to him or discuss my rebuttals of his case. Which then links back to 1 and the whole fucking cycle starts again.
And that's not even getting into whether he was or wasn't rolefishing, or anything he might have posted on 3-4.
He has a habit of dodging questions. OK, let's do this then.
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In post 221, Peabody wrote:
BBT, why are you talking to GM like she's town in 219 when obviously you had some reservations about her after reading 183?
The answer to your question is on this very page;
In post 201, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I did read your case and I agreed with it. I just don't agree with the conclusion that she is scum because of it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 223, Peabody wrote:What about the case did you agree with?
If you agree with every point and disagree with the conclusion, as you as implying, there is a reason you decided A doesn't equal B.
Can you explain why A (MS's case on GM) doesn't mean B (GM is scum)?
In post 176, Metal Sonic wrote:
It does not provide any substantiation comments on the game state, does not give any reads, does not mention if anybody is town, and are just lackadaisical comments that provide absolutely no contribution or any form of curiosity of scum hunting nature that would be expected from a townie.
I called you out for lurking, so you read the previous pages and made a few swift comments to appease te town and super quote blocks to make your post seem long. Like, it takes only 10 minutes max to read 2 pages of content, and for the past few days you checked the thread only to prod dodge. When an expected analysis of the previous two pages was to be analyses, you gave no analysis whatsoever. No reads, no scumhunting, nothing.
I agreed that GM hadn't provided anything substantive. I also agreed that she hadn't provided much in the way of reads, this ties into the first comment anyway. I agreed that much of her posting was fluff and pretty much useless to determine her alignment. I also agreed with the lack of scum-hunting.
I don't think this makes GM scum though. She just hadn't got into the game yet. It's as simple as that. Had she continued in that vein of behaviour, sure, I would have began scum-reading her.
I guess it just comes down to personal interpretation.
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In post 226, goodmorning wrote:In post 219, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He has a habit of dodging questions. OK, let's do this then.
What is this supposed to mean?
It means MS dodged my questioning way back on p5 or whenever it was.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 235, Peabody wrote:You're welcome.
BBT, I didn't expect you to be silent about my case on you.
That's probably because;
a) I don't feel you have much of a case
b) there is nothing in your case that needs responding to that I haven't already addressed in the thread before.
In post 245, Josh_B wrote:
Yes.
Scum love WIFOM. It's like mafia crack. It's great for town... if you know how to read it, and it's responses. I'll make a town case of MS, wait for it.
This isn't very clear to me. Are you saying town semi-role fish? I don't understand why town would try to out the Masons.
How does MS' opening post specifically relate to drawing out scum? How does that work?
In post 247, Josh_B wrote:
It isn't a scum tell. That's just people being actively involved in the conversation.
Me either. Do you think we should Lynch NPAU to see if MS is trying to WK off of a lynch? Or do you think we should lynch MS so we get a clear off of NPAU? I don't and neither of these two scenarios make sense. Maybe we can follow trails that actually lead to finding scum and not randomness. If I answer a question or but my nose into a conversation that just means I want to participate in the thread, judge my comments for their content.
Umm, you regularly address questions that are not directed at you then? It kind of defeats the object of questioning someone if someone else answers first and provides an answer for the person who the question was directed at.
There are more things to judge than simply the content of a post.
I'm not liking NPAU right now. I think he is my #1 lynch for today.
Spoiler: NPAU Quotes
So, all-in-all your post was pretty wishy-washy then? Covering both sides of the argument. That's a good scum-tell.
I wantyouto point out my inconsistencies. Show me where I have been inconsistent.
In post 252, Shinobi wrote:Okay, let's move on from the fact that I think that question is dumb and I'll give you an answer even though I really don't want to:
Because ISOing players during day 1 isn't going to produce much in the way of findings, especially when you can just read the thread and glean the exact same information but with better context. Using an ISO this early is needless busywork and it's just generally better to ask questions and play the game. Even if you didn't want to talk much, reading the thread is still better because looking at a pure ISO doesn't give you the same quality of read because of a lack of context.
And that isn't even getting into the fact that nothing of importance has actually warranted an ISO dive, in my opinion.
So how does this answer make me readable in any way? How does this help you figure out my alignment?
Up until this post, your last few posts were anti-town at best and scummy at worst. Would you like to actually contribute to the game now?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Hey Josh,
Do you see 266? I know you do. I know you see it.
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In post 274, Josh_B wrote:
Oh jeez, is this a theory lesson or are you just antagonizing me because you know how? My offer to hydra is still on the table. How about calling our Hydra Prince Azure or Lord Gray? What do you think?
I don't think MS is trying to out the masons. Maybe that was unclear. I think he was trying to tell the masons to recruit him. Scum respond to that kind of stuff. It's like an ice cream truck to a six year old. Look at the immediate replies and tell me who you find the most suspicious. It's not solid evidence, but it's a good place to start with a FoS.
All of this is only true if we accept that MS was trying some sort of gambit. If he wasn't, then everything you're saying is irrelevant.
In post 137, Josh_B wrote:Trying to get a rise out of the Mason? most likely.
How does 'get a rise out of' translate into 'trying to get recruited'?
Also, I don't hydra atm. If I decide I want to try it, you'll be the first to know.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 282, Huntress wrote:
@ BBT:I'm trying to work out whether you have a genuine reason to call MS's play scummy, or whether you just used his playstyle as an excuse to vote him. You haven't said that you have any problem with his individual votes apart from the one on you, so it looks like you just threw out a buzzword - vote hopping - and called him scummy for it.
I have specifically stated why I was scum-reading MS, I even quoted the post for you to read. I don't know how you're still talking about this.
In post 282, Huntress wrote:That was exactly my point. You changed your vote when something more relevant came along, but you called MS scummy for doing the same thing. That is inconsistent.
No, it isn't inconsistent. I think you're accusing me of being a hypocrite, which is wrong either way. I changed my vote once and it was to place my first serious vote. MS changed his twice, both onto people who were suspicious of him or questioning him within the first 3-and-a-bit pages. There is a big difference. In fact, I don't even think MS' first vote on GM was RVS so he may have had 3 votes in just over 3 pages.
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In post 320, nopointinactingup wrote:
Wishy washy? Did you just take that up fromyour assnowhere? I took into account the small possibility that I was wrong but still pretty damn insistent on MS town. Anyone who's reading can see that.
*Inconsistency. LOOK CLOSELY cuz I've already mentioned it. Actually I want everyone to look at this for future reference
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3 things stand out here. He said he had found scum (meant MS). Ask others to sheep himmultiple timesAND link MS to supposed scumbuddy.
This must mean he has a pretty adamant scum read on MS right??
When asked about why he thought MS was scum. The only reply I could see are:
post 76 I didn't like what he did, which is not in any way related to "he's scum"
post 101 This is a crucial post. After being pressured about his read on MS. He said he"couldn't see the reason behind MS's gambit post". That means he couldn't have found a scum reason for it either.
Which brings us to why he was so adamant about MS being scum early on? I cannot see BBT-town doing this. I can see BBT-scum doing this, but only as chainsaw defense for good morning, which is relatively weak as a tell.
If I don't like something it's usually because I don't see it coming from town. I've never been questioned on that before, strange that I have to explain it.
@Bold - is just plain wrong. I said I couldn't see the reason behind MS voting Zeb, not his entry post.
In post 322, Huntress wrote:
Finally an answer - but I think I disagree with you on the nature of the votes, they look quite understandable for early day votes to me, and in each case the votee posted before the vote was moved off them. Your "big difference" seems to be purely in the number of votes which I don't see as significant.
Nah, here's the main difference. 3 OMGUS votes over 3 pages. One on GM, one on Zeb and one on myself. I hope you can now see the difference I was trying to explain.
Spoiler: OMGUS Votes
In post 337, Josh_B wrote:
Huntress seems to be picking up on what I'm throwing down. I do not understand Zebulin's read on GM at all. At risk of repeating myself and her, the non inclusion of MS and NPAU(the loudest voices against GM) in his opinion are just as significant as his inclusion of an RVS Flaker, a fence sitter, and an I'm not even sure what he means by GM making points against herself.
Is this in relation to Zeb's reads-list?
In post 339, Josh_B wrote:In post 331, Zebulin wrote:@JoshB: What are your reads on the goodmorning/NPAU argument? (I meant to post this immidiately after post 319.)
Yea. There are some things that I care for on both sides, and some things that I don't care for. Nothing overly damning to me.
What an awful answer. Can you elaborate on this please? What do you care for? What don't you care for? How are you reading GM and NPAU right now?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Nicely dodged Mala! I almost forgot about this.
In post 183, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
And what have you done to develop this read? Other than telling MS to stop doing the things you're finding scummy.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 361, Josh_B wrote:In post 350, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is this in relation to Zeb's reads-list?
Yes.
OK, can you explain this a little more then please because I have no idea what you're talking about.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 373, Huntress wrote:
@ BBT:Re: 350. So what you're saying is that if A votes B and then B later votes A then it's a scum tell? Because it really isn't, unless B is saying A is scum purely because he voted B
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Also Mala, can you stop fucking dodging my question to you in 183. This is the 3rd time I'm having to ask you.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Here you go;
In post 183, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
And what have you done to develop this read? Other than telling MS to stop doing the things you're finding scummy.
Now, try again.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 390, Malakittens wrote:
I really don't know know to read sonic. Majority of games sonic and I; I have been scum besides one where I I gored him throughout the game.
Also I wasn't telling him omg stop being scummy I was telling him to knock off things that were irritating. There's a diff
You must have an inkling on how to read him given you stated he had been 'pinging for a while'.
I'll ask again, why have you done nothing to try and develop this read? What was making him ping? My point is further emphasized if you don't know how to read him. This makes me think you should be making anextraeffort to try and gain a read on him.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I think you thought his wagon may pick up and you wanted to make sure you had an excuse to jump on.
I have gave you numerous chances to give me a good answer and every one of your answers has been awful.
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That's got nothing to do with what's going on and you know it.
I asked you why he was pinging. You said 'he annoyed me'. That was it.
I also asked you why you had done nothing to try and develop this read. You continued to dodge this question.
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So, you're just going to ignore MS all game because you don't know how to hunt him? You said he was pinging, something must have made this happen. 'He annoyed me' is simply an unacceptable answer.
Further to this, why have you not engaged him or put more effort into trying to learn how to read him?
You saw an opportunity for a wagon and gave yourself an excuse to jump on if it got started. It's as simple as that.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.