Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

[Count Dooku]

Nice to meet you again, House!
VOTE: House

[Count Dooku]

VOTE: Count Dooku
Using Sith mind control in a game is cheating.

You should really come up with something new . The same all the time.

[Count Dooku]

There is to be NO mind control of any sort in this game, Sith or otherwise.

Yessir!

[Count Dooku]

@deathfisaro
Why would a vig shoot two times right in the first night? Crazy talk.

[Count Dooku]

It is not RVS anymore:
UNVOTE:

[Count Dooku]

@Riabi

- What's your current read on Defisaro?
What's your current read on Drezi?

Drezi is pretty null right now. I mean, he's only made three posts, and only one post of any substance.
Deathfisario I'd say probably leans town.

So you disagree with Drezi, but you don't like that House disagrees with him too. Interesting.

[Count Dooku]

@CYANID
He meant deathfisaro... Depi = deathfisaro.

[Count Dooku]

And I meant CYANIDE. With E at the end. Sorry.

[Count Dooku]

@deathfisaro
Why would a vig shoot two times right in the first night? Crazy talk.

3 deaths in 1 day because
1 mislynch D1
1 scum shoot town N1
1 Vig shoot town N1

D2 opens
7-3 = 4 town
3-0 = 3 scum
Welcome to LyLo. Vig can't shoot twice in a night. Can only shoot up to twice over minimum two nights.

First part: okay, I am sorry, I misunderstood you.
Second part: you forgot about the 3 PRs. There's 10 town players, not 7.

[Count Dooku]

@Victor
93 is not House's post... You meant 92?

[Count Dooku]

And since your unvote your minimal content has sunk to correcting other players on their grammatical mistakes.

That is not true btw.

[Count Dooku]

Isn't it early to do this?

I appreciate the townread

, really, but this is a lot of effort for a first read. I look forward to your periodic reads.

Vote: Sir Cyanide

You scumread him, but you appreciate that he is townreading you? What? Why do you care about something, that a scum said about you. You think he is scum, so according to you, he can fake everything.

[Count Dooku]

In other news, I don't like 83. A town scum list is redundant and this seems to just be an excuse to justify a scumread on me.

Why is that redundant? I don't get it.

[Count Dooku]

and count dooku gets an honorable mention although he did post some relevant things

I am sorry. I am usually more active. But this week was very hard irl. I will be more active from now on, especially on weekends.

It makes no difference, if one can be spared because of an IC claim without actually proving it, then why would anyone go down willingly?

Stop posting stupidity or I WILL vote you.

That would be very stupid to say the least. You can't vote him for being "stupid".

You're not as smart as you think you are, so do us all a favor and stop acting like a condescending jerk (or I WILL vote you ), this game is meant to be recreational and fun.

Meh. What's the matter with you guys?! You can't vote him for being a jerk... Nonsense.

(haha I guess I'm pretty bad at mafia)

That is not funny. That is sad. Not because you are "pretty bad", but because you stated it. It can be a very good excuse in the future, for example when you quickhammer a townie (on purpose). You just say: "Oh... I am pretty bad. I didn't quickhammer because I am scum. I quickhammered, because I am pretty bad"

VOTE: croboss

[Count Dooku]

About this IC counterclaim-fakeclaim thing:
@SIR CN^- (that is a - in the top right index). Maybe I am just too stupid, but I don't understand you. You say that an IC shouldn't counterclaim, so the IC won't get NKed. But then a scum at L-1 can claim IC too. Please show me where did I make a mistake, what did I miss! (I think I just cannot see something obvious, but I don't know what is that, so please tell me)

[Count Dooku]

@acryon That's all you can say about the last 8 pages?

[Count Dooku]

@acryon That's all you can say about the last 8 pages?

Your weak doubtcasting in this post & post 186 in general makes me want to

VOTE: Count Dooku

Oh House, it was a pretty good reasoning, I nearly bought it. (sarcasm)

[Count Dooku]

Ah, I see.

[Count Dooku]

About this IC counterclaim-fakeclaim thing:
@SIR CN^- (that is a - in the top right index). Maybe I am just too stupid, but I don't understand you. You say that an IC shouldn't counterclaim, so the IC won't get NKed. But then a scum at L-1 can claim IC too. Please show me where did I make a mistake, what did I miss! (I think I just cannot see something obvious, but I don't know what is that, so please tell me)

If you don't want to talk about IC anymore, just ignore it.

[Count Dooku]

While I have you here, do you honestly think 177 comes from scum?

Yes.

you guys post wayyy too much i can hardly catch up

You should be happy when the town makes content (if you are town). The more content we do, the more chance we have to lynch correctly.

scum

Who actually claimed IC? I can't find it where someone actually claimed?

It is obvious that nobody claimed IC. A town player would read through the thread.

scum

haha I guess I'm pretty bad at mafia

See the end of post 185.

scum

VOTE: Sir Cyanide

This is ridiculous. Jump on the biggest wagon, without saying anything 'why'?

scum

I must confess that my reason for the vote on Sir Cyanide was to generate discussion

First of all: why would we believe you? You can just be scum, who tried to jump on the biggest wagon, and after you realised, you try to get away with (a bad) excuse. To make it clear: Neither I am scumreading you nor townreading based on this post. It is

null

.
Second: you want more content? You said that we post way too much... and you wnat more content? I won't buy it. Nice contradiction btw.

scum

So

acryon

. Now it is your turn to tell us, what did you find towny about croboss' posts. I didn't read anything from him that is towny.

[Count Dooku]

<-- In itself, what he said is only fluff, null

What do you mean? What I said is fluff, or what crobosss said?

<-- scummy yes, but we're talking about a new player here so I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt for now.

This is a very bad tactic. You cannot read someone less scummy, only because he is a newbie... First, why are you sure that he has never played a mafia game? Second, reading through the game is actually something, that has nothing to do with experience. What you did here is pretty much defending him with no valid reason.

however when it comes to Dooku, in post 185 addressing me, and his question in post 186 it appears that he himself only skimmed the thread at best, and he's not a new player.

Haha . That is all I can say. Could you tell me why do you think that I didn't read the thread? I can help: you don't really think it. You just wanted to throw more and more shit at me.

<-- end of 185 is true, but croboss saying that is not alignment indicative, it could semijustify a vote more like for PL reasons.

That is clearly not PL reason. Even you said that you think that the end of 185 is true. It is not PL anymore. That is a legit scumread.

<-- That's a legit point, however.

Okay. Since everything you didn't find legit is legit actually (your reasons against my case were "it is fluff" "it is scummy, but he is a newbie" "I agree with you, but I still think that would be a PL", + there is this last comment where even you stated that it is legit. And you still think that my case is weak?

<-- I don't like croboss' vote either, but the case against him still feels weak.

You know what is weak? Your case against me. You are my second scumread right now.

[Count Dooku]

I'm curious about what people think of Lalendra's play. Specifically Dooku, House and NJAC.

I don't agrre with 41. Why didn't I state it right then? Becasue somebody (I think SC) already told her why would a quickhammer be good for the town: the quickhammer is a scumclaim. And 1 townie for 1 scum is a good exchange.
The reason behind her vote in 90 are not very strong... But that is not a big problem, since the 90th post is the very beginning of early-game.
As you (and her and everyone else said) she often uses WIFOM. I cannot do really anything with WIFOMy sentences.
About her case about croboss: Since I think croboss is scum and she says that is just lazy/bad play, I don't agree with her of course.

She is null for me. I found some scummy things, but they are not strong at all, and I like that she is trying to figure out things, she tries to help us.

[Count Dooku]

I don't agrre with 41. Why didn't I state it right then? Becasue somebody (I think SC) already told her why would a quickhammer be good for the town: the quickhammer is a scumclaim. And 1 townie for 1 scum is a good exchange.

Not always. It depends not only on the two roles involved, but also the two players.

To make it clear, I didn't really mean that we should do that on purpose, but I have no problem with the early wagon, because the chance of the quickhammer is low + if that happpens that is still not a big loss for us.

[Count Dooku]

You can't read someone's actions in their first game the same way, as someone who's played several games. I'm more likely to believe that getting lost "wait guys what's going on" is sincere in his case.

I will tell you a secret: newbie=/= stupid. He can fake everything. And you still didn't tell me, why are you sure that he has never playedmafia games, maybe somewhere else. Another secret: I used this newbie/bad play/low experience card in my first game. I was scum.

What do you mean? What I said is fluff, or what crobosss said?
what croboss said

Okay. You think that is null, I think that is scum. We don't have to agree about everything. And do not misrep me: I am not scumreading him only because of it. I am scumreading him because of various reasons. Take a look at my post, where I answered acryon's question. Bonus: that sentence is in contradiction with this (so one of them cannot be genuine, but I think neither of them is):

I must confess that my reason for the vote on Sir Cyanide was to generate discussion

Oh really? You try to contribute saying that my threat to House "or I WILL vote you" is nonsense, I can't vote someone for being a jerk, when 1) it's obviously sarcasm if you look at the whole context 2) I even EXPLICITLY clarified that it was sarcasm in 178. As for your post 186 we have THREE PAGES discussing the whole IC case, with several detailed explanations and rundowns, reading it would answer every question..

Sarcasm, not sarcasm, I don't care. If you don't really want to do that, why did you said that?
Yes, three pages about IC. But I didn't understand why scum cannot fakeclaim IC. Maybe because English is not my native language. But as you can see in 195, I don't want to force this topic. I will not fakeclaim IC, no matter what. Btw, I thought that we dropped this topic.

New player saying sorry I'm bad, can come from either alignment.

Again this shit. He can fake everything. The same as the first paragraph.

Yes, you're preying on the easiest target, you compiled a plenty of weak or wrong arguments, and made them all definitive indicators of being scum

They are all well justified.

while you are guilty of one of those things yourself

I don't think so. But let's say I am. You are guilty of one of the things you said about me yourself, too. Your reasons to vote me are much more weaker than my reasons to vote croboss. And you have a problem with my weak reasons (they are not weak, but let's say they are weak) when your reasons aren't strong either. So are hypocrite too.

[Count Dooku]

There's a 'you' in the last sentence.

[Count Dooku]

My vote is on croboss.
185 and 219

[Count Dooku]

NOT that they are weak, but the fact that you're portraying everything as definite evidence, and not looking at the problem from every perspective.

The same applies to you.

[Count Dooku]

You having done the same thing would explain why you think this is the case now aswell. I'm not saying he's stupid or that he can't be scum. I think I made it clear that I believe it's simply not alignment indicative. That means what you're saying is possible, but not the only explanation, like you seem to think.
^
And this is the exactly my problem.

Okay. It looks like were are looking at this game in a different way. Maybe because I used the same things as croboss in my first game, where I was scum. I can understand you pov. But I am mistrustful, because of my earlier experiences about the post that are similar to his posts.

[Count Dooku]

@Riabi: Why did you ask about Lalendra, specifically to House, Dooku and me. What's your follow up after our answers?

@Riabi Also, why didn't you answer it before? NJAC has already asked it...

[Count Dooku]

@Those voting croboss:
Explain to me how he is not just lynchbait?

I don't know, maybe you should vote him to find out. What do you say?

Nope. Explain to me why he is actually likely to be scum.

We already explained it several times. But I don't understand why are you defending him. Drezi at least told us, why is he defending him (kinda).

[Count Dooku]

@acryon
Did you read 262 and my conversation with Drezi? Or Sir Cyanide's posts about croboss?
If you still don't understand why do we think that he is scum, we cannot help you. You don't need to agree with us, but you should understand our pov at least, and not asking silly questions...

[Count Dooku]

And 222 is an interesting post imo. I don't think a townie would say things like he, when there's 3 votes on him.

[Count Dooku]

@acryon I am willing to reevaulate my reads. But croboss didn't do anything to change my mind... And do you know what bothers me more? The fact that he went back to lurking after he got 3 votes. A townie would defend himself and wouldn't avoid to come here...

[Count Dooku]

Okay acryon. We know who is not scum according to you. Then who do you think

is

scum?

[Count Dooku]

Okay acryon. We know who is not scum according to you. Then who do you think

is

scum?

That's sort of what I'm trying to figure out asking questions.

We still have over two weeks until D/L, so I'm not exactly in a hurry to get someone lynched at the moment.

Who is? I don't want to lynch anyone right now. But I want to put pressure on croboss.
So you don't have any sort of scumreads?

[Count Dooku]

How about you either play the game and stop whining like a little bitch or replace out? Nobody's forcing you to play this game.

How about you..... you know what, you don't deserve any sort of witty retort. So how about you just fuck off and die. That work for you?

Stop being abusive... I know, he said "whining like a little bitch" (and that is not a nice thing to say either), but it is not an excuse (unless you are 5 years old)

[Count Dooku]

I would like to take this opportunity to call everyone's attention to Rules #1, 11, and 28.

Thank you.

#11? What's that?

[Count Dooku]

It's a Rule between Rules 10 (and 10a) and 12.

K

[Count Dooku]

Rules:

11) Rule Eleven no longer applies, and I am too lazy to renumber everything hence.

I'm not sure I can follow this rule.

Why?

[Count Dooku]

OMG

[Count Dooku]

Because all the IC has to do is ask the mod to confirm that they are IC to prove their claim. If the mod doesn’t back up their claim, it’s pretty clear that it’s a fakeclaim, and thus, super scummy.

I know it...You don't understand me.
SC said

that a townie should fakeclaim too

, or at least when somebody claims IC the real IC shouldn't counterclaim. But in this case a scum can fakeclaim without consequences. But drop this topic. I don't care. I will not fakeclaim IC, and I won't trust any kind of IC claim, unless the mod confirmes it.

[Count Dooku]

Hey Dooku, why'd you disappear when I stopped playing around and started asking serious questions?

I didn't disappear because you started asking serious qestions.
I disappeared because the time was aroud 0 am, and I have to go to school on weekdays, so my father turned off the wifi router suddenly, without noticing me.

[Count Dooku]

Hey Dooku, let's cut all the ambiguity from our posting and talk straight.

I'm not currently interested in a Crossbos lynch. Would you like to:

a) Tell me why I'm wrong.
b) Abandon the madness and get on the House wagon?
c) See if I'll compromise on a Cyanide lynch? (spoiler alert: I'm totally up for lynching SC still)
d) Whisper sweet nothings into my ear about a new disturbance in the force.

I think SC is town. His posts are helpful, and I didn't find anything super scummy about his posts.
I don't want to lynch House. He is not that scummy imo (of course not towny, but not the scummiest), because he usually plays like this, when he is town. I am not an expert of his behavior, but when I played with him, he played just like this. And SilverWolf said something about him after our last game

House is always interesting to play with in games. It is never boring with him in a game if he's town. If he's scum, he's slightly more agreeable.

You don't have to trust her, but I do trust her. I am not saying that I am unwilling to lynch him, no matter what, but we have other interesting (I mean scummy) players, for example croboss.
Or deathfisaro, after Lalendra pointed out something interesting.

[Count Dooku]

Or deathfisaro, after Lalendra pointed out something interesting.

Do you think it was a scumslip?

Yeah I think that can be a scumslip. Deathfiaro should be under pressure... But don't let croboss lurk more and more, and get away. The more he is lurking, the more I think he is scum.

[Count Dooku]

I will try to catch up all

Nice.

@everyone
I want you guys to keep in mind while you read these catch-up posts that it is easier to make catch-up posts/reads look towny.

[Count Dooku]

I will try to catch up all

Nice.

@everyone
I want you guys to keep in mind while you read these catch-up posts that it is easier to make catch-up posts/reads look towny.

What is this? Some kind of weird disclaimer on Rach's catch-up posts to paint them black before people even read?

Nope. It is a reminder.

[Count Dooku]

I will try to catch up all

Nice.

@everyone
I want you guys to keep in mind while you read these catch-up posts that it is easier to make catch-up posts/reads look towny.

What is this? Some kind of weird disclaimer on Rach's catch-up posts to paint them black before people even read?

Nope. It is a reminder.

Wouldn't it be more effective to address how genuine the posts seem after the fact?

Maybe it would. Then keep in mind this guys.

[Count Dooku]

Maybe it would. Then keep in mind this guys.

It just sort of seems like your intention with the timing of that comment was to A) make town-Rach look bad to the town before she even gets her first real post, or B) coaching to scum-Rach to be careful about her catch-up post. I feel A) is far more likely.

Who was talking about Rach? I was talking about the cath-up posts.
Not Rach is the only one who will catch up.

[Count Dooku]

Maybe it would. Then keep in mind this guys.

It just sort of seems like your intention with the timing of that comment was to A) make town-Rach look bad to the town before she even gets her first real post, or B) coaching to scum-Rach to be careful about her catch-up post. I feel A) is far more likely.

Who was talking about Rach? I was talking about the cath-up posts.
Not Rach is the only one who will catch up.

Well you did post it shortly after her catch-up intent and quoted her on the same post.

And what? It is ridiculous. Everything I say in one post have to be related?!
Of course I was talking about her too. But not only about her. Deathfisaro and croboss will do a cath up for example (at least I hope they will).

[Count Dooku]

And what? It is ridiculous. Everything I say in one post have to be related?!
Of course I was talking about her too. But not only about her. Deathfisaro and croboss will do a cath up for example (at least I hope they will).

I mean she posted saying that she was going to catch up. You quote that post and mention that we should be skeptical of catch up posts. Is it actually far-fetched that I relate the two? And she is the only one that actually mentioned a catch-up post as far as I can tell, so I feel like anyone would look at that post and assume you were talking (at least mostly) about her.

When did I say "be careful with Rach Marie's cath up posts"? Yes. Be careful with them. But not only with them... with every cath up, generally.
It became appropriate when she said that she will do a cath up, so I reminded you.

[Count Dooku]

When did I say "be careful with Rach Marie's cath up posts"? Yes. Be careful with them. But not only with them... with every cath up, generally.
It became appropriate when she said that she will do a cath up, so I reminded you.

But it's a little disingenuous I think to not think people would relate the two. If I said "Hey guys, I love pizza" and then you say shortly after "Beware of all people who say they love pizza". You can say you were talking about everyone, but the fact is it was the most applicable by far to Rach so it seemed directed in that way.

There's a large difference between pro-town sentiment and solid-play.

"Loose lips sink ships, but every pair of them isn't a Jap spy"

- I feel like you are over-reaching.
Do you find other Dooku posts to be odd? Which ones?

That could be, but we find scum by digging a little bit. I wouldn't say I necessarily find his other posts odd, but I thought that one was. I could be way off, but it seemed worth pursuing.

I want to stop this pointless discussion. I don't have anything more to say about it. Vote me, lynch me, stop it.

[Count Dooku]

@acryon
"Give me some more croboss content"
There you go. He hasn't given us any content since he got a pressure on himself. He is avoiding this game. A townie would avoid playing when there's a wagon on him? I don't think so...

[Count Dooku]

You know what bothers me even more? He has posts in two different threads, made after his last post here, one of them has been maken today. He isn't avoiding this game because some irl stuff. Isn't it obvscum?

[Count Dooku]

It is not LAL.. He made some obvscum things, then ge got some pressure, he couldn't defend himself, and he is avoiding specifically this game. This is not lynch all lurkers. Your defending of him is ridiculous.

[Count Dooku]

Oh sorry not today, yesterday.

[Count Dooku]

It is not LAL.. He made some obvscum things, then ge got some pressure, he couldn't defend himself, and he is avoiding specifically this game. This is not lynch all lurkers. Your defending of him is ridiculous.

I don't think it's ridiculous. What I

do

think is ridiculous is so strongly advocating lynching someone with less than 10 posts with almost 2 weeks left until deadline.

It is funny that you ignore every scummy thing I said and pointed out about croboss, and saying that we shouldn't lynch him because he lurked thus he only has 9 posts... You are my 2nd scumread right now.

[Count Dooku]

@acryon you didn't answer my question. Isn't it (see 401-402) obvscum?

[Count Dooku]

@Victor For sure. If someone does scummier things than croboss, of course I am willing to lynch him/her. But it is obvious imo.

[Count Dooku]

@Victor For sure. If someone does scummier things than croboss, of course I am willing to lynch him/her. But it is obvious imo.

Meh, I still think we have better options than lynching an inactive.

Who talks about lynching him right now?

[Count Dooku]

@Victor For sure. If someone does scummier things than croboss, of course I am willing to lynch him/her. But it is obvious imo.

Meh, I still think we have better options than lynching an inactive.

Who talks about lynching him right now?

Backpedal harder, you've been pushing for his lynch for a while.

Pushing for a lynch means "lynching right now".

You're scummy as hell. You and pisskop need to swing.

LOL

[Count Dooku]

@Victor
I don't want to lynch him right now. I am pushing him because it looks like nobody else cares about him, and he will get away with obvscum things. But good job town. When somebody is scummy as shit just say a) he is newbie so everthing he does is scummy, so they don't mean anything. He cannot be scum because he is a newbie. B) don't lynch him because he lurks when he knows that there's a wagon on him/inactive/avoiding specically this game. He cannot be scum because he lurks. No comment.

[Count Dooku]

@Victor
When we are closer to deadline, and nobody else does scummier things.
When did I say that you, Victor, said that he is a newbie, so he cannot be scum. I said town, generally. For example Drezi.
Seems sitewide? Did you take a look at his profile? Did you read 401-402?

[Count Dooku]

Dooku please learn the difference between "it doesn't necessarily mean he's scum" and "he cannot be scum".

I think it was obvious that I exaggerated in Post 426...
But if you look at your reasons, they are not that far away from that. The only thing you could say was "that is not necessarily scummy" and why? Because he is newbie. So you are not scumreading him because he is a newbie.

[Count Dooku]

434 = shitposting

[Count Dooku]

I don't want to say the same things again and again. This is boring.

[Count Dooku]

I will tell you why is every word in 434 = shit, tomorrow, via PC.

[Count Dooku]

And what? It is ridiculous. Everything I say in one post have to be related?!

I mean generally, if the post is completely lacking in any sort of segue? YES. I don't buy your "It's so silly to assume that I meant JUST her" logic, this (and several subsequent posts) sounds like some serious backpedaling to me.

That is your problem. That was the truth. I meant her, and others. And actually I have never done anything that would prove the opposite. It is only you trying to make me look like a scum.

I want to stop this pointless discussion. I don't have anything more to say about it. Vote me, lynch me, stop it.

This, to me, clearly says he's giving up on arguing his point and is just going for the righteous-indignation stance instead of articulating his reasoning.

I have answered those silly questions sveral times, but they kept askig and asking them. It is pointless to spam pages with the same questions and answeres. But, it looks like you like to talk about the same topic again and agin and again, so if you want, I will answer all your questions about that topic. Ask them. If you want to spend more hours with that pointless discussion, then go ahead, and ask me.

How about c)
. His comment meant nothing to Rach.

Whether it meant something to her or not is largely irrelevant, it's more about whether he INTENDED it to mean something to her.

Yes, I intended to refer to Rach. But (I hate that I have to say the same things again and again, because you are asking the same bad and pointless questions again and again) not only to her, to others too, for example deathfisaro or croboss. And I told you it several times, but it looks like there is a problem with your grasp.

LOL

Again...seemingly out of arguments.

My respond to House's post was explained just like the post and the scumread was explained itself.

434 = shitposting

And again.

Thank you for showing us that you didn't even read the thread. Had you read post 439, you would have known that I was going to explain it today.

VOTE: Count Dooku

Nice scummy jump on the most recent wagon without stating anything real/genuine/original.

[Count Dooku]

You know what bothers me even more? He has posts in two different threads, made after his last post here, one of them has been maken today. He isn't avoiding this game because some irl stuff. Isn't it obvscum?

Official Warning: Talking about ongoing games (even in the abstract) is strictly against the rules.

Do not do this again.

Sorry.

Some clarification, if needed:

"X is *probably* avoiding this game; you might check it out..." -- Okay.

"X posted in a thread (or 'other threads' or 'today') -- Not Okay.

"X posted in all his other games except this one." -- So Bad. So very, very, Bad.

Questions gladly answered via PM.

Thank you!

[Count Dooku]

Yeah yeah, I know, being inactive is not necessarily alignment-indicative. Wanna know a secret though? Fucking nothing at all is alignment-indicative. What you do is you take all the information you have and this should create an inner narrative; 'would scum do this? would town do this?' and then you should have a vague probability in your head about how likely someone is to be scum and if you're not delusional that probability should be close to 50%. Can anyone tell me here with a straight face that lurking to this extent is NOT pro-scum and NOT anti-town? Yeah, that's what I thought. Don't get me wrong, I agree that inactivity isn't as alignment-indicative as things with a similar level of pro-scuminess are, but I don't think anyone here can tell me that town and scum have a perfect 50/50 distribution of inactivity.

Finally, someone understands me.
And it is not only the case when we talk about croboss. Nearly all of his posts were scummy AND then he lurked, and avoided specifically this game. But people don't understand this.

Replace out

Oh, I forgot to UNVOTE: .
That slot is still a scumread for me.

[Count Dooku]

And now:

434 = shitposting

I will tell you why is every word in 434 = shit, tomorrow, via PC.

@Victor
When we are closer to deadline, and nobody else does scummier things.

I don't think town's benefit from holding off a lynch when they have a scummy player. And if you think he's obvscum, why exactly wait and see if someone scummier emerges? That doesn't really make sense.

Why? Even you said, that the deadline is far away: It would be a silly mistake to lynch somoene, even when he is obvscum, because we have two weeks, and maybe he can "clarify" himself, or someone claims scum, etc. You know what doesn't really make sense? These three sentences from you.

When did I say that you, Victor, said that he is a newbie, so he cannot be scum. I said town, generally. For example Drezi.

You brought it up in 426 so I commented on it. I don't think anyone actually said he couldn't be scum because he's a newbie, unless I missed something.

No, of course nobody said that he cannot be scum, because he is a newbie. But the only thing that Drezi could say why doesn't he think croboss is scum, was "yes, he made a bunch of scummy things, BUT since he is a newbie I am not willing to scumread him, because all these things can come from newbtown" So he is pretty much not scumreading him only because he is a newbie. (See

Seems sitewide? Did you take a look at his profile?

Yes. You should take a look too.

I took. And it was obvious that he was avoiding specifically this game. Now, I see that there are some rl stuff (because I took a look at him again, when I saw that he replaces out).

[Count Dooku]

Truth is, lurking isn't alignment indicative. It's playstyle indicative. It

can

help determine a player's alignment based on that particular person's playstyle, but it's more of an individual tell than a stereotypical tell.

As an example, my activity is about the same regardless of my alignment (I run through my games and post), so trying to use activity as an alignment tell for players such as myself (one way or the other) would be foolish.

Listen to this guy people.

Please sheep more.

[Count Dooku]

@Dukoo, for the record, I agree with people who claim your 354 is suspect. Whether you meant it that way or not, your post came across as applying at least MOSTLY to Rach.

33% Rach 33% deathfisaro 33% croboss
If you want, you can call it "mostly".
Also:

He probably remembered to say this after reading Rachmarie's post, thus the timing.

[Count Dooku]

@Dukoo, for the record, I agree with people who claim your 354 is suspect. Whether you meant it that way or not, your post came across as applying at least MOSTLY to Rach.

33% Rach 33% deathfisaro 33% croboss

Perhaps that's how you meant it. But my point, which has been made by others, and that appears to be going over your head is that the timing of your post, and the fact that you quoted Rach in your most makes it

seem

like you were talking largely about her. Only you know for sure if that is the truth or not. But, nothing can change how some of the rest of us perceived your post at the time we saw it.

It is not true that the rest of you perceived like that. For example Drezi and pisskop (and I think SC doesn't have a problem with it either) understood what I meant to say. Post 374 is pretty much describes what I wanted to say - yeah, it looks like Drezi can word it better than me.

[Count Dooku]

@Dukoo, for the record, I agree with people who claim your 354 is suspect. Whether you meant it that way or not, your post came across as applying at least MOSTLY to Rach.

33% Rach 33% deathfisaro 33% croboss

Perhaps that's how you meant it. But my point, which has been made by others, and that appears to be going over your head is that the timing of your post, and the fact that you quoted Rach in your most makes it

seem

like you were talking largely about her. Only you know for sure if that is the truth or not. But, nothing can change how

some of the rest of us

perceived your post at the time we saw it.

It is not true that the rest of you perceived like that. For example Drezi and pisskop (and I think SC doesn't have a problem with it either) understood what I meant to say. Post 374 is pretty much describes what I wanted to say - yeah, it looks like Drezi can word it better than me.

Oh, well, I didn't notice that part, sorry... it is late here, and I am mad because I hate repeating the same things again and again.
Do you even read? I bolded in red above what I said... SOME OF THE REST OF US. Not everyone. Your defensiveness on this issue is really suspect.

[Count Dooku]

@Dukoo, for the record, I agree with people who claim your 354 is suspect. Whether you meant it that way or not, your post came across as applying at least MOSTLY to Rach.

33% Rach 33% deathfisaro 33% croboss

Perhaps that's how you meant it. But my point, which has been made by others, and that appears to be going over your head is that the timing of your post, and the fact that you quoted Rach in your most makes it

seem

like you were talking largely about her. Only you know for sure if that is the truth or not. But, nothing can change how

some of the rest of us

perceived your post at the time we saw it.

It is not true that the rest of you perceived like that. For example Drezi and pisskop (and I think SC doesn't have a problem with it either) understood what I meant to say. Post 374 is pretty much describes what I wanted to say - yeah, it looks like Drezi can word it better than me.

Do you even read? I bolded in red above what I said... SOME OF THE REST OF US. Not everyone. Your defensiveness on this issue is really suspect.

Oh, well, I didn't notice that part, sorry... it is late here, and I am mad because I hate repeating the same things again and again.
EBWOP

[Count Dooku]

Oh, well, I didn't notice that part, sorry... it is late here, and I am mad because I hate repeating the same things again and again.
EBWOP

I think it's possible that you're mad because someone called you on your scum slip.

Scumslip? When?

[Count Dooku]

Scumslip? When?

354

What the hell? You want to start this stupid conversation again? What's the matter with you guys? Are you high?

[Count Dooku]

Scumslip? When?

354

What the hell? You want to start this stupid conversation again? What's the matter with you guys? Are you high?

I'm not trying to start a conversation. I made a suggestion as to why you were angry. You continuing to be so defensive like this only makes you look more and more scummy to me.

Defensive? Lol, it is getting even more ridiculous.

[Count Dooku]

VOTE: Dooku

I like that everyone who is voting me has valid reasons behind it. (sarcasm)

[Count Dooku]

What? Pointing out the fact that there are no actual reasons is defensive? Then I used this word in a wrong way in my entire life...

[Count Dooku]

My last defensive post was 469. And that isn't that defensive either. Riabi's vote is the most ridiculous thing that happened in this game so far.

[Count Dooku]

I can tell you why didn't I ask him... As you can see there are 8 questions from me only on this page. Riabi ignored all of them, and called me defensive because I asked them. And you don't understand why did I stopped asking more questions from him?
And now I am going offline, and not because I want to run away, but because it is late here (Victor).

[Count Dooku]

I meant 'why did I stop' and not stopped, sorry

[Count Dooku]

What is your issue with the timing?

I didn't like that he's warning us about Rach's (or anyone else's) potential catch up before the post is even there.

I don't agree with you. Saying that catch up posts are easier to make look towny after someone made a catch up and people called that towny is scummy, and not what I did.

What kind of reaction would you expect instead from town!Dooku?

A reasoned argument would have made me more likely to think he's town. Instead, he seems to just be getting angrier and angrier. His reaction felt to me as if when I suggested his post was a scum slip that I was right.

Tons of posts have been made by me containing reasoned arguments, before I got angry

[Count Dooku]

And what? It is ridiculous. Everything I say in one post have to be related?!

I mean generally, if the post is completely lacking in any sort of segue? YES. I don't buy your "It's so silly to assume that I meant JUST her" logic, this (and several subsequent posts) sounds like some serious backpedaling to me.

That is your problem. That was the truth. I meant her, and others. And actually I have never done anything that would prove the opposite. It is only you trying to make me look like a scum.

Mmmm...kay.

I want to stop this pointless discussion. I don't have anything more to say about it. Vote me, lynch me, stop it.

This, to me, clearly says he's giving up on arguing his point and is just going for the righteous-indignation stance instead of articulating his reasoning.

I have answered those silly questions sveral times, but they kept askig and asking them. It is pointless to spam pages with the same questions and answeres. But, it looks like you like to talk about the same topic again and agin and again, so if you want, I will answer all your questions about that topic. Ask them. If you want to spend more hours with that pointless discussion, then go ahead, and ask me.

This is actually the first I've said about it, but thank you for the blanket generalization.

You are welcome.

How about c)
. His comment meant nothing to Rach.

Whether it meant something to her or not is largely irrelevant, it's more about whether he INTENDED it to mean something to her.

Yes, I intended to refer to Rach. But (I hate that I have to say the same things again and again, because you are asking the same bad and pointless questions again and again) not only to her, to others too, for example deathfisaro or croboss. And I told you it several times, but it looks like there is a problem with your grasp.

Again, this is the first time I've pointed it out - the problem is less with our grasp of your reasoning, and more with your inability to a) grasp our reasoning or b) defend your views with reason and logic, rather than just getting super-huffy and insulting.

Nope, the problem is not with my reasoning, it is more with you don't understand it OR don't want to understand it. I think the latter.

LOL

Again...seemingly out of arguments.

My respond to House's post was explained just like the post and the scumread was explained itself.

I'm actually not sure what this means so I'm going to leave it alone, I will be happy to address it if you want to clarify.

434 = shitposting

And again.

Thank you for showing us that you didn't even read the thread. Had you read post 439, you would have known that I was going to explain it today.

Oh I read it, but I didn't agree that it was shitposting, and I'm not a huge fan of "I don't like this and neither should you but I'm not going to explain why until later" posts.

I will tell you a secret. I am living in Europe. UTC + 1. If I hadn't said anything about it, Victor would have thought (or I think it is more likely that he would have said that he thought, but not really, he only would have wanted to make me scummy with that, just like he did that earlier) that I am running away, so I said that I didn't like it, but I was going to tell you the next day, because it was late in my timezone.

VOTE: Count Dooku

Nice scummy jump on the most recent wagon without stating anything real/genuine/original.

Pretty sure I laid out my reasoning above, but it seems that there is a problem with your grasp.

Yes, you laid that out. But those are not real/original/genuine reasons.

[Count Dooku]

I don't think Dooku is a good lynch. I really get the vibe of a pressured townie out of him.

Where did Death go? OR NJAC?

You defending him just makes me that much more certain he needs to die today.

Bad logic. Maybe he is scum, trying to WK me. I don't think he is, but since you are scumreading him, you should have considered it.

[Count Dooku]

Dooku. Can you make an effort to separate you responses into other posts?

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will let you say things if you frame the other person's quotes as such. I find it sometimes hard to follow what is you and what isn't despite your coloration of your text. Red is scummy and blue is towny?

Normal text and underlined text is from Lal, red and blue came form me, in this sequence: normal - red - underlined - blue.
I am sorry. I thought it is easier to understand what am I referring to, if you see Lalendra's posts, too.

[Count Dooku]

1 Just because we have a three week Day 1 (and seriously, why three week days, NS, a game this size should really be two week days at most IMO) doesn't mean we have to use every second. And lynching scum is never silly. If you really did think he was obvscum I would expect you to pushing the lynch hard, instead hoping he 'clarifies' himself or someone acts scummier out of nowhere. But that's pretty much what I said before, and other than saying that my points apparently didn't make sense you didn't really address it at all.
2 Drezi pretty much already explains before, there is a clear difference between what was said, and what your implying was said. No one is against scumreading Croboss because he's newbie; it simply the fact none of your points against actually point to him being scum. I really dislike the way you keep trying to make it out as though people are outright refusing to scumread him on principal, when it must be clear to you that is not what is going on.
3 I know I have to tread the line carefully here, but if anyone else has doubts about whether Croboss was specifically avoiding this game, I urge you to look at his profile and his posting in all games. In addition his replace should be a pretty big hint that Dooku is talking shit here.

1. We don't have to use every second. But the more content we do, the easier we can catch scum. I don't understand you.
2. Lie. I have pointed out scumtells about him, and Drezi said that he found those things scummy too, but because he is a newbie, he doesn't think he is scum. So (and I hate that I have to repeat my words all the time, because you don't understand me) the only reason he didn't scumread him was because he is a newbie. I really dislike that you are asking the same things again and again, no matter how many times I answered them.
3.Before he replaced out, he was avoiding this game specifically, or at least it looked like it. After he replaced out, I unvoted, and said, that from then on I didn't think it anymore. A suggestion: before you try to make me look scummy, and state that I am talking shit at least read my posts, because people wont buy your arctifical scumreads like this.
So... do you know who is talking shit? You.

[Count Dooku]

Okay Guys. You must not respond/state your thoughts about a post that a player said to another player, unless you are that player. Warning, Riabi will use it against you, if you still do it.

[Count Dooku]

Why get angry at all if you aren't feeling threatened by being called out?

Because this game supposed to be entertaining. When people ask you the same stupid questions, even when you answered them, it is not fun anymore.

[Count Dooku]

What kind of reaction would you expect instead from town!Dooku?

A reasoned argument would have made me more likely to think he's town. Instead, he seems to just be getting angrier and angrier. His reaction felt to me as if when I suggested his post was a scum slip that I was right.

Tons of posts have been made by me containing reasoned arguments, before I got angry

Why get angry at all if you aren't feeling threatened by being called out? If you go back through our interactions, you'll see that I never asked you to restate your position. All I did was say "btw, I agree with some of the others about you", then you went off. There was no reason to do that, you could have ignored it and moved on. To me, it seems like you brought out your same old tired arguments against me because you REALLY didn't want me/us to think you were scum. Incidentally, you commenting on my response to Drezi's question above only solidifies my point here.

I was not talking about you there.

[Count Dooku]

Why get angry at all if you aren't feeling threatened by being called out?

Because this game supposed to be entertaining. When people ask you the same stupid questions, even when you answered them, it is not fun anymore.

But, I didn't ASK you a question when this started. All I did was say "hey, I agree." You could have just left it alone and ignored it. In fact, here is my exact quote:

@Dukoo, for the record, I agree with people who claim your 354 is suspect. Whether you meant it that way or not, your post came across as applying at least MOSTLY to Rach.

If you really wanted to stop talking about this, why did you respond to that at all? Why didn't you just leave it alone?

What I noticed in my previous games, is that if you do not clarify yourself, people will think that you are not able to do it, because you are scum. If you want, I will not react to anything you said about me, unless that is a question.

[Count Dooku]

It is funny that everyone suspects the more active players, and let the lurkers lurk.
I decided that I won't/rarely will introduce new topics in this game from now on; I think this is the only game her on ms, where everyone who talks about something new is going to be suspected.

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her

here, sorry

[Count Dooku]

It is funny that everyone suspects the more active players, and let the lurkers lurk.
I decided that I won't/rarely will introduce new topics in this game from now on; I think this is the only game her on ms, where everyone who talks about something new is going to be suspected.

You're just getting defensive here. Just play the game how you play it, and stop acting like a victim. Suspicion that others have on you doesn't appear to have anything to do with activity level, and using activity level as a reason to suspect someone either way is bad.

I don't even care. I did everything I could, answered every questions (I think).
Lynch me, at least after I flip everyone will see that Riabi, you, Victor, House and Lalendra were talking shit.

[Count Dooku]

Meh, that wouldn't be fair with the town.
So

@Mod I would like to replace out.

[Count Dooku]

Gj town.
I am sorry that I replaced out, but I knew that if I stay I will make our situation even worse.

[Count Dooku]

Gj town.
I am sorry that I replaced out, but I knew that if I stay I will make our situation even worse.

Next time, don't let someone push you around so hard. Tell them to shut up, and move on.

I will