Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #685 (isolation #0) » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:08 pm

hi boys and girls my name in nacho and I will be catching up in this game here probably over the course of a week

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #733 (isolation #1) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:47 am

In post 710, pisskop wrote:
In post 709, Lalendra wrote:. As for Death, I'd prefer to wait and see what his replacement has to say.

Sakura Hana is Death.
Nacho is Rachmarie.

What do you think of Hana's entrance.

Hi pisskop!
Sakura's entrance looks pretty town so far! Do you agree or no?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #734 (isolation #2) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:47 am

In post 730, SIR CYANIDE wrote:I don't think lynching dooku's slot accomplishes much. Lynching Hana though... I doubt there is much she can do to convince me that her slot (deathfisario) isn't scum.

What was scummy about her predecessor?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #790 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:46 pm

Ok, gonna have time to work with this game tomorrow, would very much appreciate if Metal wasn't lynched before then

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #791 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:48 pm

In post 782, Metalcyanide wrote: L-1 well I'm sure a scum will jump on this. So I'm claiming IC....................hahaha jk but really I'm VT so I have nothing in my back pocket to help myself with. Good luck town but with all these replacements I'll be very surprised if you win.

And in case we want to go this way I still don't like Raminiscene (well the slot at least) so UNVOTE: Sakura Hana and VOTE: Reminiscence

Have fun everyone.

Yes this post screams AtE and I don't care

What's your case on Reminiscence? Why didn't you vote there before?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #876 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:11 am

hey guys I'm back from my vacation thanks for asking how it went, it was good.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #877 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:14 am

In post 855, NJAC wrote:
Vote: Ika

Must be punished...

L-2

@AM: Your case on me is just bad. If you want me to answer something please ask.

@pisskop: Why are you okay with Hana atm?

Vote: NJAC

Please die. This vote is a load of horseshit. The wagon building on Ika because quick hammer is dumb as shit because it is being formed because quick hammer and no other reason except "quick hammer". The saddest reality is that the vote I liked most on that wagon was ABR because he was honest about it and didn't dress it up with bullshit. Keep in mind, still a dumb vote. Just less scummy than shit like the stuff quoted above.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #878 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:15 am

In post 873, House wrote:Touche.

Feeling better about Drezi. No clue about his ISO, but I'm liking his interactions with me.

So.
You're aware of how much chaos you create, and you know why scum want to keep you around. You realize your actions have negative effects. And yet you continue playing the same exact way because... it's comfortable? Are you just too afraid to do anything else?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #880 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:20 am

Not really. I want to use this time to be aggressive and shake out solid reads since I doubt I'm gonna have the sit down time in the near future to read and get reads the classic way since work is absolutely swamping me at the moment.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #881 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:20 am

If I had to guess, House would be town thanks to how that exchange is equally lacking in logic and scum motivation.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #884 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:36 am

In post 705, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 702, NJAC wrote:I even liked the way he inquired Dooku with all the Rach thing.

Huh, so you liked his strawman?

You were aggressive as shit to the point where you were forcing every single person who so much as dared to post in this thread to comment on who you wanted to lynch and why they aren't lynching who you wanted to lynch. I have found that you don't turn your scum game on this hard unless you're looking to dodge someone or you feel threatened, and I don't really feel this playerlist is the type to kick you into doing that.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #885 (isolation #11) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:37 am

But then again, your scum game is good. I know you're capable of this play as scum. I'm not ready to just town read you and let you be at this point, especially since you as scum last night would either be killing me or seeking to manipulate me specifically.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #890 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:39 am

Drezi: Never said the move wasn't dumb as shit. Just don't really think it's a move that has any sort of significant return for Ika-scum and thus is a dumb reason to vote him.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #891 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:40 am

Like wow, he got a mislynch. On day 1. On someone who was incredibly close to being lynched anyways. Was it really worth the spotlight? No.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #894 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:54 am

The reasons for voting Ika (he quickhammered) are dumb. I am not saying anything beyond saying that voting for Ika quickhammering is dumb unless I drank too much and completely forgot calling the wagon on him anything but dumb.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #895 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:54 am

I also gave a reason for the wagon on him being dumb, which you didn't refute why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #896 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:56 am

In post 892, Drezi wrote:Don't forget that he himself was the second wagon with 4 votes. And your current vote (partly?) comes from the way NJAC joined the ika wagon, so I don't see how you can deem the wagon dumb and pointless.

He was the second wagon at 4 votes.
Metalcyanide had 6 votes. I was a new replace in and hadn't said anything about dooku. I did say metalcyanide was scummy. I wasn't voting at the time.

Why was Ika afraid of getting lynched?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #897 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:58 am

Or, to be more explicit, why was Ika so afraid of getting mislynched where he decided to bring himself into the spotlight he did? Do you think he just didn't know it would bring him attention? You thought maybe he went "yep no one is gonna question this whatsoever"...?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #899 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:02 am

In post 882, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 881, Nachomamma8 wrote:If I had to guess, House would be town thanks to how that exchange is equally lacking in logic and scum motivation.

I agree, but not only from that exchange, but his overall play has been mostly pressuring others and trying to determine alignment with said pressure.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #904 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:14 am

"Pay no attention to me guys, I'm just an idiot!"
Drezi, do you truly believe that's a defense scum would come up with?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #906 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:15 am

As in look in your heart of hearts and tell me you believe that so either you open your eyes a little bit or I get a good hearty laugh out of this whole situation.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #907 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:15 am

In post 905, pisskop wrote:The problem I have is he hasn't come up with anything yet.

This is a problem.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #908 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:17 am

In post 901, House wrote:
In post 894, Nachomamma8 wrote:The reasons for voting Ika (he quickhammered) are dumb. I am not saying anything beyond saying that voting for Ika quickhammering is dumb unless I drank too much and completely forgot calling the wagon on him anything but dumb.

If ika had been in the game the entire time & quick hammered, I'd have null read it as a typical ika move.

As ika entered the game and immediately quick hamemered to prevent his own lynch, I'm leaning scum because he had zero to base his vote on and was acting purely out of self-preservation.

As far as "would scum put the spotlight on themselves", fuck yes they would because town always asks that stupid ass question. I've done the same in the past and skated to endgame because of it.

VOTE: ika

And I'd like to clarify this because apparently it needs clarifying: I don't think Ika is town because of quickhammering because duh Ika quickhammers there.

I think a wagon on him for quickhammering is dumb. Calling it self-preservation when he wasn't in real danger is dumb and please don't make me repeat myself all day.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #912 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:10 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #913 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:12 am

In post 909, Drezi wrote:
In post 904, Nachomamma8 wrote:"Pay no attention to me guys, I'm just an idiot!"
Drezi, do you truly believe that's a defense scum would come up with?

In post 906, Nachomamma8 wrote:As in look in your heart of hearts and tell me you believe that so either you open your eyes a little bit or I get a good hearty laugh out of this whole situation.

But the first one is a strawman, and why the AtE?

The first one. Please explain the functional difference between what you said and what I said.

The second one was me being dramatic to make my posts more entertaining. I do that a lot. I like being dramatic.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #914 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:14 am

In post 910, Drezi wrote:Like, it's a fact he did what he did, the only question is whether town or scum is more likely to do that.

And you look into determining what the motivation for doing each action is. Is the return significantly greater as scum than it is as town?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #915 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:16 am

In post 911, Drezi wrote:
In post 884, Nachomamma8 wrote:and I don't really feel this playerlist is the type to kick you into doing that.

Based on your attitude, right now I think that you believe you can just save your scumbuddy easy peasy here.

I was not referring to the quality of the playerlist. I was referring to the number of people who are rivals to Sakura, which, to the best of my knowledge and memory, is zero.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #931 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:08 pm

I questioned the wagon before letting Ika explain himself because the wagon formed quick as hell and it was a shitty wagon. In doing so, I didn't take any onus or spotlight off Ika: I just put more pressure on players whose votes were absolute trash.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #932 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:11 pm

In post 920, Drezi wrote:No, it means specific people who Sakura wants to win against no matter what. Even though the original wording didn't really indicate that.

Dodging refers to meta dodging, which is something people couldn't have on her unless they have experience with her. She wouldn't be afraid of people that she has no experience with and who don't have a reputation on. site.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #949 (isolation #29) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:22 pm

In post 944, NJAC wrote:
In post 931, Nachomamma8 wrote:I questioned the wagon before letting Ika explain himself because the wagon formed quick as hell and it was a shitty wagon. In doing so, I didn't take any onus or spotlight off Ika: I just put more pressure on players whose votes were absolute trash.

Well, you already gave him some arguments to use in his favor, so maybe you didn't take the onus off him but you clearly took some pressure off him. And no, my vote wasn't absolute trash as you call it, my vote is on him for a reason, regardless of you agreeing with it or not.

I do insist that his behavior must be punished, if you look at his latest post you'll note how anti-town he is that he doesn't even care to explain himself. So, take it like a policy lynch if you will, but I'm seriously considering lynching him.

I posted why the current wagon on him is bad. It is. There is no reason to let bad pressure continue when it's nothing but that, bad pressure. I'm pushing your reasons and calling your vote bad because its a very convenient place for your vote to be if you are scum: the onus being on "punishing" him instead of determining motivation means that if he flips town, you go "oh, he was bad, he deserved it" instead of "I fucked up".

It also doesn't make sense to me that you note that he doesn't care about defending himself (and thus, I would wager, doesn't care about getting lynched) and yet think that your vote on him will somehow be punishing him? And you think it is worth possibly wasting a lynch on someone when another mislynch could possibly mean MyLo in the unlikely event that a big exists and shoots wrong?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #953 (isolation #30) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:05 am

In post 949, Nachomamma8 wrote:It also doesn't make sense to me that you note that he doesn't care about defending himself (and thus, I would wager, doesn't care about getting lynched) and yet think that your vote on him will somehow be punishing him? And you think it is worth possibly wasting a lynch on someone when another mislynch could possibly mean MyLo in the unlikely event that a big exists and shoots wrong?

There's no reason for you to wait until ika responds to answer this.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1047 (isolation #31) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:35 am

In post 987, Riabi wrote:
In post 986, TellTaleHeart wrote:
I would also vote Nacho.

Why Nacho? I'm not sure if I agree or not.

VOTE: ika

Why are you voting Ika?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1048 (isolation #32) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:38 am

In post 988, TellTaleHeart wrote:The push on NJAC and the defense of ika were extremely strained and absolutely terrible.

I didn't like NJAC's push on Ika and I didn't like how he defended from it: what was wrong about the push on him there?

My interactions with Ika yesterday totaled three days total: his quickhammer wasn't scummy and I disagree with pushing on him for being scum for lurking in a three day period.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1049 (isolation #33) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:54 am

In post 993, TellTaleHeart wrote:A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,
I'm going to hate your fucking guts
. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.

Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1050 (isolation #34) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:58 am

In post 1002, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 994, House wrote:ika's quick-hammering isn't a scumtell.

If he did something else that you find scummy, bring that up. Don't try to obfuscate the matter with preemptively arguing over whether something is a scumtell that you're not using to base your read off of anyway.

It relevant because that was the crux of Nacho's defense and I was going ahead and undermining it.

It was the entire reason for the wagon on Ika yesterday, which was more what I was defending from. I never said that there wasn't a legitimate case to be made on Ika, just that the one being made was bad.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1051 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:59 am

In post 1008, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Vote: Drezi

I don't understand this vote.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:02 am

Mmm, probably willing to vote Ika based on that link alone.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:08 am

Drezi, I find it extraordinarily unlikely that TTH-Riabi scumteam ends up voting Ika right off the bat: it's possible to strongarm a lynch without being on it and following that method would expose the pair a lot less. Although, could see scum-TTH pushing and weak scum-Riabi sort of just following, but this would be a much more impressive scumgame from TTH than I've seen elsewhere.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:10 am

In post 1053, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1049, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 993, TellTaleHeart wrote:A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,
I'm going to hate your fucking guts
. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.

Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting.

ika replaced in on February 19th. That was 12 days ago. Subtracting the 4 days the game was in night phase, that still leaves 8 days. Four posts in 8 days is some heavy duty lurking.

That's fair. It just didn't seem that dramatic at the time.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:14 am

I haven't read a single Dooku post.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:21 am

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:22 am

In post 1062, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1058, Drezi wrote:And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.

Of course you were.

Drezi is clearly town. Snippy comments are probably going to frustrate him and make him more inclined to push you. A case on Dooku would be more likely to make this not happen.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:48 am

In post 1065, Drezi wrote:
In post 1063, Nachomamma8 wrote:I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

That's exactly what I said at the start.

I know, just reiterating things.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:49 am

In post 1067, Riabi wrote:
In post 1063, Nachomamma8 wrote:I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

While I get this, this leads to the question, why would a vig quick-hammer two people then, knowing that we're in MyLo if he's wrong, still take a shot after?

Vig quickhammers people to make it less likely that he's nightkilled. Any vig takes a shot yesterday if they didn't take a shot N1, which was a risky move in and of itself.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:51 am

In post 1069, Riabi wrote:
In post 1068, Drezi wrote:Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

Why?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:52 am

In post 1070, Drezi wrote:Nacho: who would be scum with ika?

I'm not sure.
You wouldn't be, TTH wouldn't be. Most other people probably could be.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:54 am

What significant chunks am I missing?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1082 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:28 pm

In post 1081, Riabi wrote:
In post 1075, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1069, Riabi wrote:
In post 1068, Drezi wrote:Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

Why?

As I said, your defense of the ika slot is incomprehensible to me. That is enough to put you on my list.

What about my defense is incomprehensible?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1083 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:45 pm

In post 1079, Drezi wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350 onwards until page 23 mostly, basically everyone you don't mention trying to get Dooku (ika) lynched pushing him to the point of him replacing out. The only one that might look like bussing is House there, then again he was on the ika wagon D2 aswell and it certainly didn't look like it wasn't in danger of being lynched.

I will read this when I'm in more of a reading mood. I did read the page you linked to and was thoroughly amaused by Dooku's posting, though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1139 (isolation #49) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:49 pm

In post 1103, Lalendra wrote:I did not notice that until Drezi pointed it out. That seems like a pretty obvious scum slip to me.

unvote, vote Riabi

this vote sucks

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1140 (isolation #50) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:49 pm

In post 1106, House wrote:Yes, we are.

VOTE: Riabi

this vote sucks

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1141 (isolation #51) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:57 pm

In post 1084, Riabi wrote:
In post 1082, Nachomamma8 wrote:
What about my defense is incomprehensible?

Why it exists. To me, the slot is clearly scummy, and you are defending it vociferously.

it exists because the reason the wagon formed on him was because he quickhammered and that reason alone was a bad one. what I don't understand is that you seemed to think that it was smart to slow down yesterday and look at a counter wagon: you haven't talked about why quickhammering makes him irrefutably scum, you're not paying attention to multiple people around agreeing with me and expressing the same viewpoint in different ways... it's not because you're scum, it's because you're not thinking critically.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1145 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:32 pm

My defense was referring to the quickhammer and the quickhammer alone: I didn't read Dooku's play so saying that I was defending it is just blatantly wrong. And if you don't think the first quickhammer makes him irrefutably scum (which is what the wagon on him that was formed pretty much entirely because quickhammer was suggesting), then why can't you see why my defense exists?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1146 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:40 pm

I haven't read D1 because I normally don't read Day 1s unless something in particular prompts a full reread. The only compelling reason I've found to read D1 is to look for associatives like Drezi suggested, but the Robin Williams link and what Ika decides to put on the table today are probably gonna affect my read more than whatever the hell Dooku did, so still no reason to re-read.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1149 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:25 am

but the talk me and you are talking about is the quickhammer and the quickhammer alone

not the second one. the first one.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1150 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:26 am

you said you didn't see how my defense of the slot existed. I defended the slot from the first quickhammer. Thus, you should be able to show how the first quickhammer was irrefutably scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1152 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:45 am

The way he approached the quickhammer in Robin and the way he approached the quickhammer and aftermath here is also radically radically different.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1155 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:50 am

That has absolutely nothing to do with me reading the game.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1159 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:58 am

progress!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1160 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:59 am

In post 1157, House wrote:VOTE: ika

cuz TTH is samrt.

She's brought up this point before. Why didn't you vote then?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1163 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:42 am

In post 1162, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1160, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1157, House wrote:VOTE: ika

cuz TTH is samrt.

She's brought up this point before. Why didn't you vote then?

Why aren't you voting him now?

I'm not particularly interested in seeing the day end quite yet.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1256 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:49 pm

In post 1164, TellTaleHeart wrote:Is Lalendra scum?

Current reads point to yes, probably.
What do you think of ABR's recent treatment of me?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1257 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:52 pm

In post 1167, Drezi wrote:I don't even know what Lalendra is doing now, but I absolutely wouldn't want to lynch her, noone ever pushed her and now suddenly people want to lynch her, it just screams scum wanting easy mislynch.

TTH and ABR are still scum for what I said. Only difference is that if you're not a fake vig, the third scum could be someone else, but clearly I wouldn't want to lynch my weakest read.

I think you've been basing your reads lately too much off how people have been treating certain players as opposed to the behavior of said players. This is an example. What do you actually think of Lalendra? Why couldn't the vote on Lalendra be distancing?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1258 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:54 pm

In post 1181, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I need Nacho.

I don't think Drezi is scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1309 (isolation #64) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:57 pm

sorry, I got sick and decided to binge watch tv instead because it requires less effort
Will get posting in tonight

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1359 (isolation #65) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:54 am

So I want to bring attention to ABR's link again, and do some comparisons between ika-town and ika here.

ika town:

ika wrote:fair warning i will hammer if im around, so bezu should claim now

Gives warning that he will hammer immediately if Baezu is put to L-1 (this is his response to Baezu being put to L-2). This shows that he finds, as town, that getting claims is something that he cares about at least a little bit.

ika wrote:you got about 40 mins before i hammer

And then after Baezu was actually put to L-1 and had already claimed, ika gave her yet another 40 minutes to get any last minute thoughts out on paper, which, again, is a sharp contrast from ika here that just replaced in and quickhammered.

Subject: Robin Williams Mafia - rememberance - game over

ika wrote:
In post 472, Baezu wrote:ika - why the rush to hammer?

i have seen countless games where a scum gets to l-1 on day 1 jsut to make some shit claim or bs reason only for a counterwagon to form on a town. they then most of the time make endgame and win by coasting.

im a player who puts a stop to that. i will hammer regardless of roleclaim (barring ic/mod-proven role).

plus this just makes me look scummy as hell so if we have a cop/vig/investigative they can target me.

i make myself so scummy that scums will flat outright refuse to kill me and try to myslynch me.

ive notived titus lurking and her trying to ignore me is not a good indicator as well

Here, after ika quickhammered and people started questioning him on it (even though circumstances of hammer were much more reasonable), ika explains why he quickhammered as opposed to just lurking away with one liners. He ended that game with 360 posts as opposed to 7 here, which is sort of a giant red flag that signifies change in mindset: he used that quickhammer as a way to approach the game and "make himself scummier", but after that point, his engagement in game went up dramatically and he certainly didn't repeat the process (since there no longer was any reason to do so).

I find it harder to believe that everything about ika as a player completely changed and that a towngame happening under similar circumstances (ika wants to quickhammer, ika has the chance to quickhammer) could look so different from his towngame here than his partners bussed the hell out of him because he was playing poorly and they really didn't see a chance of him surviving a day or two. I can see a similar thing happening with the Dooku slot just because of the early wagon on him alone: a lot of the time, scum can be intimidated into joining in on a scumbuddy's wagon because they don't want to be the one person left off the wagon while everybody is on it. The weird partner interactions and a vig shot which is equivalent to an extra lynch for us is also why I have been slowrolling this game: I think it's important we hash out second and third scum much more clearly before Riabi has to take his shot.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1383 (isolation #66) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:52 am

In post 1381, House wrote:
In post 1380, Drezi wrote:It's so obvious that House is just trying to get me pissed off, which apparently makes me look scummy, duh.

How do you figure? I piss town off all the time, and they town it up.

Being angry lowers one's inhibitions.

It also tends to make people do stupid things.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1384 (isolation #67) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:52 am

And, overall, makes the game less enjoyable for them.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1385 (isolation #68) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:54 am

In post 1361, Drezi wrote:Wouldn't it be better to lynch into the ika wagon, and if it dismantles my theory by flipping town, vig ika?

What do you think of what I pointed out about Ika last page? What's the difference between vigging Ika and lynching him?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1388 (isolation #69) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:59 am

In post 1375, House wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Shenanigans.

If you were sure I was scum, you'd have been campaigning for the wagon to shift off of ika and onto me.

Instead, you chose to AtE because scum is manipulative like that.

Drezi has been campaigning for TTH or ABR to be wagonned over Ika for the entirety of this game day: the scum read on you is clearly a very recent one, so it make a sense to me why she wouldn't transition fully to "lynch House over Ika".

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1390 (isolation #70) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:01 am

In post 1261, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1258, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1181, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I need Nacho.

I don't think Drezi is scum.

But why? Drezi can definitely be scum. There are some town posts but what before then?

What "before then" are you referring to, exactly? What posts from Drezi do you find scummy?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1395 (isolation #71) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:08 am

In post 1391, House wrote:
In post 1388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1375, House wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Shenanigans.

If you were sure I was scum, you'd have been campaigning for the wagon to shift off of ika and onto me.

Instead, you chose to AtE because scum is manipulative like that.

Drezi has been campaigning for TTH or ABR to be wagonned over Ika for the entirety of this game day: the scum read on you is clearly a very recent one, so it make a sense to me why she wouldn't transition fully to "lynch House over Ika".

Then why wouldn't she say "vig TTH or ABR" instead of "vig House"?

Your defense of her doesn't make sense. Give me something that adds up, please.

Refining original point: I can't say I see the whole "lynch me, vig House" as emotional manipulation because you pissed him off and people generally act irrationally when you piss them off. I can see him pushing for his lynch first first so he didn't have to argue anymore and you would still end up dead: being made the martyr and then being proven correct by your scumflip would also make it more likely people would listen to him down the road.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1399 (isolation #72) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:13 am

In post 1393, Drezi wrote:The order of flip is different, ika is distanced from everyone at this point, ika flip first wouldn't help choosing correct NK target as much imo.

I'm not sure about what you said about him, or how conclusive that is, I had retarded town act like this too, so I really don't even try to read him at this point, he's wifom and I'm trying to figure him out based on the others who actually play the game.

I agree ika lynch will not clarify who to shoot all that much.

I have seen town act dumb in a similar way as well. I'm saying Ika, as town still acting dumb, handled the quickhammer situation in a completely different and much much more protown way than he's handling this quickhammer situation now. Why do you think that is? As scum, it's less effort, he has the possibility of lynching someone who shouldn't be lynched, as town... why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1432 (isolation #73) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:53 am

That makes things extraordinarily simple, then.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1433 (isolation #74) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:54 am

Would be happy to lose to Drezi if he was the last scum, he would have had to play a hell of a game. Scumteam is likely ABR/Ika/Lalendra.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1434 (isolation #75) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:56 am

In post 1426, TellTaleHeart wrote:Oh, wow. My reason for town reading Drezi just vaporized... :S

Read him again: I'm happy to outline reasons for townreading him in about 5 hours when I'm home and getting ready for work, but I sincerely sincerely doubt that he's scum here.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1436 (isolation #76) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:01 am

In post 1400, House wrote:
In post 1395, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1391, House wrote:
In post 1388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1375, House wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Shenanigans.

If you were sure I was scum, you'd have been campaigning for the wagon to shift off of ika and onto me.

Instead, you chose to AtE because scum is manipulative like that.

Drezi has been campaigning for TTH or ABR to be wagonned over Ika for the entirety of this game day: the scum read on you is clearly a very recent one, so it make a sense to me why she wouldn't transition fully to "lynch House over Ika".

Then why wouldn't she say "vig TTH or ABR" instead of "vig House"?

Your defense of her doesn't make sense. Give me something that adds up, please.

Refining original point: I can't say I see the whole "lynch me, vig House" as emotional manipulation because you pissed him off and people generally act irrationally when you piss them off. I can see him pushing for his lynch first first so he didn't have to argue anymore and you would still end up dead: being made the martyr and then being proven correct by your scumflip would also make it more likely people would listen to him down the road.

That's bs and you should know better than to even put something like that out.

1) I obviously know that's not the case.
2) You're defending AtE and WIFOM as legitimate play, but criticizing me for bad play? The inconsistency is glaring.

I'm leaning towards ika, Drezi, and Nacho. These interactions are feeling like scum on the run.

1) But he doesn't. That's the point.
2) He joined less than two months ago. The points that he's pushing are indicative of town paranoia over anything else: I additionally don't really regard "emotional" play as bad, either. When people are angry, they tend to make inoptimal decisions but an inability to stay calm very rarely means you're a bad player. You've been on this site for almost a year, played plenty off site, know the way you push things can harm town. I'm telling you your actions right now are harming town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1437 (isolation #77) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:02 am

In post 1435, TellTaleHeart wrote:I don't see a hammer in any of those three posts...

You don't want a town case on Drezi?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:56 am

Vote: Ika

Patience, young padawan.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1458 (isolation #79) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:57 pm

Vote: Lalendra

pew pew pew

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1469 (isolation #80) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:18 pm

In post 1468, Lalendra wrote:I am inclined to agree Nacho, largely because of ABR constantly soft-baiting Nacho for his opinion. Thoughts?

Why does that make me scummy? I might be a little biased here, but ABR's weird negging/obsession with me seemed pretty distinctly not scum-scum.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:48 am

I also have quote a few things to say before any of that happens.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1481 (isolation #82) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:38 am

In post 1480, Lalendra wrote:Also nacho, if you have anything to say in your defense, now would be the time. Not participating at this crucial stage is scummy at worst and anti-town at best. Making a "I have a lot to say" post, and then not following it up with anything for a full day, is just active lurking.

I'm in North Carolina right now, on vacation. I likely won't be posting until tomorrow/the day after tomorrow. This has no reflection on my alignment, only a reflection of how much time I have available at this moment.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:54 am

In post 1471, Lalendra wrote:When I was in my first game as scum, and I wasn't talking as much as my scumbuddies wanted me to, they did this sort of soft-pushing to get me to talk.

My join date is in 2009, I've been actively playing mafia for close to 6 years and ABR knows as much. I don't think it makes sense for him to panic and prod me to talk more in thread, especially since it was decently obvious I wasn't in immediate danger of getting lynched (thus the risk not really being justified in any way whatsoever).

In post 1471, Lalendra wrote:Also, when confscum says they "guarantee" someone is town, it makes me raise an eyebrow.

Why is that?

In post 1472, Lalendra wrote:ABR was the most vocal about me being scum, and trying to lynch me. Given that he flipped scum, I don't see how anyone could believe that I am scum; why bus one of your scumbuddies when there is no pressure to do so? He was just trying to start a wagon on me because he was scum and I am town. Period.

Ika was almost certainly going to get lynched when he quickhammered and didn't say anything about it. ABR, in defending a shitty scumpartner as scum, knew that he would come under fire for defending his scumpartner in the way that he did. I don't think anyone legitimately would believe that they could actually save a scumpartner playing like that (or better yet, be willing to save a scumpartner playing like that) unless they had a backup plan for when said obvious scumpartner gets lynched. By defending me and tying himself to me, ABR didn't make it less likely that I would get lynched (because I wasn't really in any danger of getting lynched). He did make it riskier if ika got lynched since him and I would obviously be getting flak together, and he would get even more flak if I was lynched before him. So why didn't he worry about that in any way whatsoever? It makes more sense as an approach from ABR as scum to me as town: him calling me town and agreeing with me encourages me to keep protecting ika, and also ties us together in the event of his death which is a win-win all around for scum ABR.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:08 pm

In post 1474, Drezi wrote:My impression at the time was that he simply went ahead to save a scumbuddy, simply because he could afford to do so, so whynot? He also gave a soft townread to ABR along the way, because again, at that point in time, it was a perfectly safe and neutral thing to do.

This is a fine interpretation of events. I don't see how this is more likely than me taking these actions as town, though. The early wagon on ika was formed entirely because he quickhammered. I could pretty easily see ika as town quickhammering when replacing in because "LOL!

", and absolutely hated a majority of the votes on him which seemed like scum jumping on town for thinly veiled reasoning because they knew he would get heat for doing so. I liked that ABR didn't try to dress up his vote as anything other than it was, as opposed to the weird punish/not punish approach that NJAC was saying which I couldn't really see a town side to.

In post 1474, Drezi wrote:after ABR introduced the Lalendra angle, Nacho was also asking around about Lalendra, if we thought she could be scum etc.

I'm not sure this is how that happened. From my memory, ABR introduced the Lalendra angle while we were in MyLo, you made a response to the effect of "I don't think she's scum, nobody's suspected her thus far" and I pointed out that this probably wasn't a good line of thought to take because of fast and tunnelvisioned days and all.

In post 1474, Drezi wrote:It was right after this, that ABR abandoned pushing Lal/me and voted ika, and afterwards Nacho made 1359 and started leaning towards and ika lynch too, him dropping the Lal angle aswell. This was where they decided that "well k, we bus". Nacho was also a bit too confident in my being town tbh, I think he wanted to have me as someone who'd vote someone else over him in the end.

I never took up an angle last day for lynch other than ika. I said I wasn't voting ika because it was important to slow down to day to make the vig shot better and to get back some of that lost time wasted because quickhammers. I didn't have the perspective you had that ika was town. I had a perspective that he shouldn't be lynched instantly.

In post 1474, Drezi wrote:Lalendra on the other hand voted ika D1, voted him D2, voted him D3 and kept the vote and scumread pretty consistently ending every day there. Also we had ABR pushing me/Lalendra at first, and he only decided to bus when that angle didn't prove fruitful. I think at first he tried to get town lynched, and only resorted to bussing after that didn't work out.

What weirds me out about the read on ika/Dooku is that it was a scumread that she held for the entire game and formed pretty much on the basis of one post, which seemed unnatural to me: I find strong reads that last the whole game to normally need a bit more than that and a lot of posting, but Lalendra had the read in mind almost like it was planned beforehand.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:21 pm

In post 1497, Drezi wrote:@Nacho: Your last paragraph doesn't really relate to the quote above and ABR wasn't exactly defending ika anyway, so the whole argument about that is pointless, I think he just tried to get town lynched which would be perfectly normal in this situation.

The quote above was that Lalendra thought she was town because ABR suspected her in thread and scum would try to lynch town. I pointed out that ABR was already defending ika (which he was, he argued against ika being lynched or killed), which means that he would need to be more careful about interactions with his other partner because otherwise it means there's nothing he can do when ika inevitably dies. It is an important point because interactions are the reasons you'e calling Lalendra town, which is why I'm confused you don't think arguing it is relevant.

In post 1497, Drezi wrote:And this just doesn't sound like town mindset tbh, this whole using yourself as possible scum to show how you think his play wouldn't have been optimal in that case, therefore you're not scum thing.

No, his play would have been absolutely horrible to the point where it's a bit suspicious that he would put himself in that situation in the first place since it's horrible in a very obvious way. He has no real scum motivation to call me town if all that does is decrease the scumteam's chances of victory, which it obviously does.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:54 pm

In post 1500, Drezi wrote:1257 was what I had in mind, my point was that Lalendra had been in a grey area and a good candidate for scum to get town to compromise on for a mislynch, so I don't like ABR's suggestion, and your post clearly suggests that you thought I should play around with the idea of her being scum.

There wasn't a good candidate for scum to get mislynched that day because ika was obviously getting lynched. I did think you should consider that Lalendra might be scum. I fail to see how that suggestion was a poor one.

In post 1500, Drezi wrote:But if that was the plan why would he start bussing ika instead making an awkward turn? As I said in my original post he simply looked for the easiest targets to mislynch, and started bussing when it didn't work.

What awkward turn? Why did he start bussing ika initially? Because he thought there wasn't a way to save ika. Then he saw me start to defend ika, then he glommed onto me and let me save his scumbuddy. He started out defending ika the next day to see if I would miracle defend him for two days in a row, then acknowledged his lynch was unavoidable (something that became pretty clear pretty quickly), and when that happened his goal suddenly became mitigating damage from defending ika in the first place.

In post 1500, Drezi wrote:Ok, and if you're scum with him, now it allowed you to make this (according to you) strong counterargument.

This seems convoluted and stupid, but maybe that's just me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1504 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:16 pm

sure i would be more hey lalendra is the last scum *case here* if i was as confident in that as i was at the end of the day

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1507 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:19 pm

the whole lalendra being the only non-confirmed townie not trying to lynch me helps this by a pretty huge amount, by the way

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1509 (isolation #89) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:20 pm

oh wait probably just wrong about that
cool beans

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1513 (isolation #90) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:30 pm

In post 1508, Drezi wrote:I mean I see what I see for the overall game, and you need to make me see better stuff than that to make me change my vote (or show how fundamentally wrong I am with my line of thought, which has not been the case).

no offense intended, but i don't really see a world where your mind can be convinced by me
so i'm probably just going to focus on seeing if TTH paranoia is actually a thing i should have or if i should let sweet sweet death take me on a magic carpet ride to a place where there is no pain

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1515 (isolation #91) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:37 pm

In post 1510, Lalendra wrote:
In post 1509, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh wait probably just wrong about that
cool beans

Wrong about what? Me not trying to lynch you? I think I was pretty clear that I thought you were scum from the time this day started...

you not hammering me immediately when you got the chance was pretty indicative of you being town and not scum
you only posting to set up a later hammer was :'( and hope going down the drain so welp

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1516 (isolation #92) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:40 pm

In post 1514, Lalendra wrote:Why did your posts go from long, well-thought-out, grammatically correct entries to "lol whatevs" posts lacking in punctuation? Note, I'm not being a grammar Nazi, just observing a distinct difference in your style all of a sudden, and curious why.

well thought out and grammar are to convince people of things
your approach at the start of the day made me think i was wrong about you and then i see recent posts and i'm like ok i'm right about you so now i'm just waiting for death and having a good time while it happens

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1518 (isolation #93) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:33 pm

Right about you being last scum

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1520 (isolation #94) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:52 pm

If you are last scum, I should worry about stuff and try and do things.
If you aren't last scum then I gotta do things

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1522 (isolation #95) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:04 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1525 (isolation #96) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:16 pm

In post 1524, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1504, Nachomamma8 wrote:sure i would be more hey lalendra is the last scum *case here* if i was as confident in that as i was at the end of the day

You voted Lalendra immediately (accompanied with "pew pew pew" noises) and haven't moved your vote since. Post 1458 doesn't look like a post made by a man in a confidence crisis.

start of the day*

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1530 (isolation #97) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:13 am

TTH what on earth are you doing this game day?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1531 (isolation #98) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:17 am

I didn't really have time to read through the game when I was initially asked to, and then I was asked to reread the game to see Dooku scuminess when I was already pretty set on lynching ika so still didn't really see a reason to. Lately, I've read bits and pieces of the game without doing a formal reread: I don't plan on doing a formal reread and this isn't an uncommon habit sitewide.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1537 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:50 am

In post 1532, Riabi wrote:
In post 1531, Nachomamma8 wrote:I didn't really have time to read through the game when I was initially asked to, and then I was asked to reread the game to see Dooku scuminess when I was already pretty set on lynching ika so still didn't really see a reason to. Lately, I've read bits and pieces of the game without doing a formal reread: I don't plan on doing a formal reread and this isn't an uncommon habit sitewide.

Like I said, I'm ok with not normally rereading the game, but, when people are telling you "your defence is crap, and you'd see why if you read D1." It seems to me that someone who was town and wanted to actually figure the game out would say. "Hmm, maybe they are right, I should see if that slot really is scummy."

So, since your defense when you subbed in was crap, and since your defense now is crap. Do you have anything left to say for yourself before I drop the hammer?

One thing:

Unvote, Vote: TTH

That's a townslip.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:57 am

In post 1532, Riabi wrote:
In post 1531, Nachomamma8 wrote:I didn't really have time to read through the game when I was initially asked to, and then I was asked to reread the game to see Dooku scuminess when I was already pretty set on lynching ika so still didn't really see a reason to. Lately, I've read bits and pieces of the game without doing a formal reread: I don't plan on doing a formal reread and this isn't an uncommon habit sitewide.

Like I said, I'm ok with not normally rereading the game, but, when people are telling you "your defence is crap, and you'd see why if you read D1." It seems to me that someone who was town and wanted to actually figure the game out would say. "Hmm, maybe they are right, I should see if that slot really is scummy."

So, since your defense when you subbed in was crap, and since your defense now is crap. Do you have anything left to say for yourself before I drop the hammer?

The only real problem with this is that it never happened. When I defended Ika, no one said "your defense is horseshit, go read Day 1". Instead, two people said they thought Dooku was town and you thought Dooku was scum. Seeing that people had opinions wasn't particularly surprising to me and didn't make me go "welp, gotta read now!".

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:03 am

I've been hunting scum as opposed to just posturing for endgame.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:05 am

Why do you say that?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:06 am

Yes, as soon as Lalendra became obviously town, I moved on. It's called good town play.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:07 am

The only time you actually started showing an interest in what was going on was when you were suspected. that's called survivalism.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:08 am

In post 1543, TellTaleHeart wrote:As soon as the Lalendra case fell on its ass, you moved on.

I'm not posturing. The paper trail from the two flipped scum lead straight back to you.

And again, how so? Because ABR sought out interaction with me? Because I was wrong on Ika Day 2? Neither of these things seem particularly convincing, but you're pushing them like they're the gospel because you bussed the shit out of both scumpartners and don't need to worry about pushing passable arguments anymore.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:09 am

In post 1546, TellTaleHeart wrote:What?

You lurked all day. I vote you.
Suddenly you're not lurking all day!
Isn't it just absolutely captivating how things work sometimes? It's like a miracle!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:11 am

In post 1548, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1545, Nachomamma8 wrote:The only time you actually started showing an interest in what was going on was when you were suspected. that's called survivalism.

Bullshit. I had to claw against a baffling amount of resistance to get that ika lynch and I recall having to hound you to drop that goddamn hammer.

This game day, TTH. You needing the Ika lynch as quickly as you needed it yesterday also makes sense, in retrospect: you wanted to take time away from Riabi so that he'd make a worse vig shot and you'd only need one mislynch as opposed to two.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:12 am

It also makes sense why you'd kill House over Riabi: you're expecting newer players not to expect the bus play and don't really want someone who's familiar with you around after you don't have any more scumbuddies to push.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:12 am

In post 1550, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1547, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1543, TellTaleHeart wrote:As soon as the Lalendra case fell on its ass, you moved on.

I'm not posturing. The paper trail from the two flipped scum lead straight back to you.

And again, how so? Because ABR sought out interaction with me? Because I was wrong on Ika Day 2? Neither of these things seem particularly convincing, but you're pushing them like they're the gospel because you bussed the shit out of both scumpartners and don't need to worry about pushing passable arguments anymore.

Luckily, I don't have to convince you that you're scum.

what is this even supposed to mean???

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:14 am

You would have had a better rebuttal if you just said "no u nacho".

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:16 am

In post 1554, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1551, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1548, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1545, Nachomamma8 wrote:The only time you actually started showing an interest in what was going on was when you were suspected. that's called survivalism.

Bullshit. I had to claw against a baffling amount of resistance to get that ika lynch and I recall having to hound you to drop that goddamn hammer.

This game day, TTH. You needing the Ika lynch as quickly as you needed it yesterday also makes sense, in retrospect: you wanted to take time away from Riabi so that he'd make a worse vig shot and you'd only need one mislynch as opposed to two.

I was trying to get Riabi to make the worst vig shot, so I told him to vig my buddy.

Alright-y. ^_^

Wouldn't make sense for you to suggest another one when you already were locked into pushing ABR as hard as you did. Also never said you were trying to protect him, only that rushing the Ika lynch only made sense if you were trying to keep as little information in the game before Riabi took his shot. Then that didn't work because people pushed for the day to slow down, and you didn't really have a choice to do anything else.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:17 am

In post 1556, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1553, Nachomamma8 wrote:what is this even supposed to mean???

It means you're scum who's out of options and you're now hosed. Sorry.

This still isn't a rebuttal. Again, if you're just going to make completely empty posts, I'd recommend going with "no you", "Bushwick Bill", "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese", or something along those lines because at least then they will be more entertaining to read.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:18 am

In post 1557, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1555, Nachomamma8 wrote:You would have had a better rebuttal if you just said "no u nacho".

No, pointing out that your theory is completely nonsensical is better.

Then why aren't you doing this in any way shape or form?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:26 am

You didn't interact with ABR in any meaningful way, you just pushed on him as scum for dubious reasons until he flipped scum which is generally how you can see a bus coming. I pushed a significant case on Ika because I was proud of what I found on him. I know it's strange, but I didn't actually end up just trusting you when your case was "guys. he's lurking!".

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:30 am

In post 1562, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1560, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1557, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1555, Nachomamma8 wrote:You would have had a better rebuttal if you just said "no u nacho".

No, pointing out that your theory is completely nonsensical is better.

Then why aren't you doing this in any way shape or form?

You're trying to generate noise right now and it's the only way for you to have a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

I'm depriving you of that now because the purpose of posts this game have been to lynch scum and yours have been to look good.
Bye! ^_^/~

You are not rebutting my posts because... you're town and I'm scum?

It's almost like that same empty company line you keep feeding over and over :/

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:35 am

You told me that the next day.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:35 am

And now that you've hammered town, who are you going to lynch tomorrow?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:36 am

In post 1567, Nachomamma8 wrote:You told me that the next day.

You know. When I wasn't actually defending Ika anymore.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:05 am

and then the world goes silent and my heart breaks

Nachomamma8 · Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:09 pm

gg boys and girls, really good job nailing every1 tth