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In post 710, pisskop wrote:In post 709, Lalendra wrote:. As for Death, I'd prefer to wait and see what his replacement has to say.
Sakura Hana is Death.
Nacho is Rachmarie.
What do you think of Hana's entrance.
Hi pisskop!
Sakura's entrance looks pretty town so far! Do you agree or no?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 730, SIR CYANIDE wrote:I don't think lynching dooku's slot accomplishes much. Lynching Hana though... I doubt there is much she can do to convince me that her slot (deathfisario) isn't scum.
What was scummy about her predecessor?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 782, Metalcyanide wrote: L-1 well I'm sure a scum will jump on this. So I'm claiming IC....................hahaha jk but really I'm VT so I have nothing in my back pocket to help myself with. Good luck town but with all these replacements I'll be very surprised if you win.
And in case we want to go this way I still don't like Raminiscene (well the slot at least) so UNVOTE: Sakura Hana and VOTE: Reminiscence
Have fun everyone.
Yes this post screams AtE and I don't care
What's your case on Reminiscence? Why didn't you vote there before?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 855, NJAC wrote:Vote: Ika
Must be punished...
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@AM: Your case on me is just bad. If you want me to answer something please ask.
@pisskop: Why are you okay with Hana atm?
Vote: NJAC
Please die. This vote is a load of horseshit. The wagon building on Ika because quick hammer is dumb as shit because it is being formed because quick hammer and no other reason except "quick hammer". The saddest reality is that the vote I liked most on that wagon was ABR because he was honest about it and didn't dress it up with bullshit. Keep in mind, still a dumb vote. Just less scummy than shit like the stuff quoted above."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 873, House wrote:Touche.
Feeling better about Drezi. No clue about his ISO, but I'm liking his interactions with me.
So.
You're aware of how much chaos you create, and you know why scum want to keep you around. You realize your actions have negative effects. And yet you continue playing the same exact way because... it's comfortable? Are you just too afraid to do anything else?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Not really. I want to use this time to be aggressive and shake out solid reads since I doubt I'm gonna have the sit down time in the near future to read and get reads the classic way since work is absolutely swamping me at the moment."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 705, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 702, NJAC wrote:I even liked the way he inquired Dooku with all the Rach thing.
Huh, so you liked his strawman?
You were aggressive as shit to the point where you were forcing every single person who so much as dared to post in this thread to comment on who you wanted to lynch and why they aren't lynching who you wanted to lynch. I have found that you don't turn your scum game on this hard unless you're looking to dodge someone or you feel threatened, and I don't really feel this playerlist is the type to kick you into doing that."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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But then again, your scum game is good. I know you're capable of this play as scum. I'm not ready to just town read you and let you be at this point, especially since you as scum last night would either be killing me or seeking to manipulate me specifically."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Drezi: Never said the move wasn't dumb as shit. Just don't really think it's a move that has any sort of significant return for Ika-scum and thus is a dumb reason to vote him."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Like wow, he got a mislynch. On day 1. On someone who was incredibly close to being lynched anyways. Was it really worth the spotlight? No."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The reasons for voting Ika (he quickhammered) are dumb. I am not saying anything beyond saying that voting for Ika quickhammering is dumb unless I drank too much and completely forgot calling the wagon on him anything but dumb."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 892, Drezi wrote:Don't forget that he himself was the second wagon with 4 votes. And your current vote (partly?) comes from the way NJAC joined the ika wagon, so I don't see how you can deem the wagon dumb and pointless.
He was the second wagon at 4 votes.
Metalcyanide had 6 votes. I was a new replace in and hadn't said anything about dooku. I did say metalcyanide was scummy. I wasn't voting at the time.
Why was Ika afraid of getting lynched?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Or, to be more explicit, why was Ika so afraid of getting mislynched where he decided to bring himself into the spotlight he did? Do you think he just didn't know it would bring him attention? You thought maybe he went "yep no one is gonna question this whatsoever"...?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 882, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 881, Nachomamma8 wrote:If I had to guess, House would be town thanks to how that exchange is equally lacking in logic and scum motivation.
I agree, but not only from that exchange, but his overall play has been mostly pressuring others and trying to determine alignment with said pressure."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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As in look in your heart of hearts and tell me you believe that so either you open your eyes a little bit or I get a good hearty laugh out of this whole situation."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 905, pisskop wrote:The problem I have is he hasn't come up with anything yet.
This is a problem."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 901, House wrote:In post 894, Nachomamma8 wrote:The reasons for voting Ika (he quickhammered) are dumb. I am not saying anything beyond saying that voting for Ika quickhammering is dumb unless I drank too much and completely forgot calling the wagon on him anything but dumb.
If ika had been in the game the entire time & quick hammered, I'd have null read it as a typical ika move.
As ika entered the game and immediately quick hamemered to prevent his own lynch, I'm leaning scum because he had zero to base his vote on and was acting purely out of self-preservation.
As far as "would scum put the spotlight on themselves", fuck yes they would because town always asks that stupid ass question. I've done the same in the past and skated to endgame because of it.
VOTE: ika
And I'd like to clarify this because apparently it needs clarifying: I don't think Ika is town because of quickhammering because duh Ika quickhammers there.
I think a wagon on him for quickhammering is dumb. Calling it self-preservation when he wasn't in real danger is dumb and please don't make me repeat myself all day."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 909, Drezi wrote:In post 904, Nachomamma8 wrote:"Pay no attention to me guys, I'm just an idiot!"
Drezi, do you truly believe that's a defense scum would come up with?
In post 906, Nachomamma8 wrote:As in look in your heart of hearts and tell me you believe that so either you open your eyes a little bit or I get a good hearty laugh out of this whole situation.
But the first one is a strawman, and why the AtE?
The first one. Please explain the functional difference between what you said and what I said.
The second one was me being dramatic to make my posts more entertaining. I do that a lot. I like being dramatic."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 910, Drezi wrote:Like, it's a fact he did what he did, the only question is whether town or scum is more likely to do that.
And you look into determining what the motivation for doing each action is. Is the return significantly greater as scum than it is as town?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 911, Drezi wrote:In post 884, Nachomamma8 wrote:and I don't really feel this playerlist is the type to kick you into doing that.
Based on your attitude, right now I think that you believe you can just save your scumbuddy easy peasy here.
I was not referring to the quality of the playerlist. I was referring to the number of people who are rivals to Sakura, which, to the best of my knowledge and memory, is zero."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I questioned the wagon before letting Ika explain himself because the wagon formed quick as hell and it was a shitty wagon. In doing so, I didn't take any onus or spotlight off Ika: I just put more pressure on players whose votes were absolute trash."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 920, Drezi wrote:No, it means specific people who Sakura wants to win against no matter what. Even though the original wording didn't really indicate that.
Dodging refers to meta dodging, which is something people couldn't have on her unless they have experience with her. She wouldn't be afraid of people that she has no experience with and who don't have a reputation on. site."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 944, NJAC wrote:In post 931, Nachomamma8 wrote:I questioned the wagon before letting Ika explain himself because the wagon formed quick as hell and it was a shitty wagon. In doing so, I didn't take any onus or spotlight off Ika: I just put more pressure on players whose votes were absolute trash.
Well, you already gave him some arguments to use in his favor, so maybe you didn't take the onus off him but you clearly took some pressure off him. And no, my vote wasn't absolute trash as you call it, my vote is on him for a reason, regardless of you agreeing with it or not.
I do insist that his behavior must be punished, if you look at his latest post you'll note how anti-town he is that he doesn't even care to explain himself. So, take it like a policy lynch if you will, but I'm seriously considering lynching him.
I posted why the current wagon on him is bad. It is. There is no reason to let bad pressure continue when it's nothing but that, bad pressure. I'm pushing your reasons and calling your vote bad because its a very convenient place for your vote to be if you are scum: the onus being on "punishing" him instead of determining motivation means that if he flips town, you go "oh, he was bad, he deserved it" instead of "I fucked up".
It also doesn't make sense to me that you note that he doesn't care about defending himself (and thus, I would wager, doesn't care about getting lynched) and yet think that your vote on him will somehow be punishing him? And you think it is worth possibly wasting a lynch on someone when another mislynch could possibly mean MyLo in the unlikely event that a big exists and shoots wrong?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 949, Nachomamma8 wrote:It also doesn't make sense to me that you note that he doesn't care about defending himself (and thus, I would wager, doesn't care about getting lynched) and yet think that your vote on him will somehow be punishing him? And you think it is worth possibly wasting a lynch on someone when another mislynch could possibly mean MyLo in the unlikely event that a big exists and shoots wrong?
There's no reason for you to wait until ika responds to answer this."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why are you voting Ika?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 988, TellTaleHeart wrote:The push on NJAC and the defense of ika were extremely strained and absolutely terrible.
I didn't like NJAC's push on Ika and I didn't like how he defended from it: what was wrong about the push on him there?
My interactions with Ika yesterday totaled three days total: his quickhammer wasn't scummy and I disagree with pushing on him for being scum for lurking in a three day period."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 993, TellTaleHeart wrote:A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,I'm going to hate your fucking guts. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.
Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1002, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 994, House wrote:ika's quick-hammering isn't a scumtell.
If he did something else that you find scummy, bring that up. Don't try to obfuscate the matter with preemptively arguing over whether something is a scumtell that you're not using to base your read off of anyway.
It relevant because that was the crux of Nacho's defense and I was going ahead and undermining it.
It was the entire reason for the wagon on Ika yesterday, which was more what I was defending from. I never said that there wasn't a legitimate case to be made on Ika, just that the one being made was bad."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't understand this vote."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Drezi, I find it extraordinarily unlikely that TTH-Riabi scumteam ends up voting Ika right off the bat: it's possible to strongarm a lynch without being on it and following that method would expose the pair a lot less. Although, could see scum-TTH pushing and weak scum-Riabi sort of just following, but this would be a much more impressive scumgame from TTH than I've seen elsewhere."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1053, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 1049, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 993, TellTaleHeart wrote:A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,I'm going to hate your fucking guts. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.
Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting.
ika replaced in on February 19th. That was 12 days ago. Subtracting the 4 days the game was in night phase, that still leaves 8 days. Four posts in 8 days is some heavy duty lurking.
That's fair. It just didn't seem that dramatic at the time."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1062, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 1058, Drezi wrote:And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.
Of course you were.
Drezi is clearly town. Snippy comments are probably going to frustrate him and make him more inclined to push you. A case on Dooku would be more likely to make this not happen."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1065, Drezi wrote:In post 1063, Nachomamma8 wrote:I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.
That's exactly what I said at the start.
I know, just reiterating things."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1067, Riabi wrote:In post 1063, Nachomamma8 wrote:I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.
While I get this, this leads to the question, why would a vig quick-hammer two people then, knowing that we're in MyLo if he's wrong, still take a shot after?
Vig quickhammers people to make it less likely that he's nightkilled. Any vig takes a shot yesterday if they didn't take a shot N1, which was a risky move in and of itself."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1069, Riabi wrote:In post 1068, Drezi wrote:Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?
I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.
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In post 1070, Drezi wrote:Nacho: who would be scum with ika?
I'm not sure.
You wouldn't be, TTH wouldn't be. Most other people probably could be."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1081, Riabi wrote:In post 1075, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1069, Riabi wrote:In post 1068, Drezi wrote:Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?
I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.
Why?
As I said, your defense of the ika slot is incomprehensible to me. That is enough to put you on my list.
What about my defense is incomprehensible?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1079, Drezi wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350 onwards until page 23 mostly, basically everyone you don't mention trying to get Dooku (ika) lynched pushing him to the point of him replacing out. The only one that might look like bussing is House there, then again he was on the ika wagon D2 aswell and it certainly didn't look like it wasn't in danger of being lynched.
I will read this when I'm in more of a reading mood. I did read the page you linked to and was thoroughly amaused by Dooku's posting, though."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1103, Lalendra wrote:I did not notice that until Drezi pointed it out. That seems like a pretty obvious scum slip to me.
unvote, vote Riabi
this vote sucks"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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this vote sucks"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1084, Riabi wrote:
Why it exists. To me, the slot is clearly scummy, and you are defending it vociferously.
it exists because the reason the wagon formed on him was because he quickhammered and that reason alone was a bad one. what I don't understand is that you seemed to think that it was smart to slow down yesterday and look at a counter wagon: you haven't talked about why quickhammering makes him irrefutably scum, you're not paying attention to multiple people around agreeing with me and expressing the same viewpoint in different ways... it's not because you're scum, it's because you're not thinking critically."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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My defense was referring to the quickhammer and the quickhammer alone: I didn't read Dooku's play so saying that I was defending it is just blatantly wrong. And if you don't think the first quickhammer makes him irrefutably scum (which is what the wagon on him that was formed pretty much entirely because quickhammer was suggesting), then why can't you see why my defense exists?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I haven't read D1 because I normally don't read Day 1s unless something in particular prompts a full reread. The only compelling reason I've found to read D1 is to look for associatives like Drezi suggested, but the Robin Williams link and what Ika decides to put on the table today are probably gonna affect my read more than whatever the hell Dooku did, so still no reason to re-read."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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you said you didn't see how my defense of the slot existed. I defended the slot from the first quickhammer. Thus, you should be able to show how the first quickhammer was irrefutably scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The way he approached the quickhammer in Robin and the way he approached the quickhammer and aftermath here is also radically radically different."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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She's brought up this point before. Why didn't you vote then?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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