Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

lane0168 · Post Post #49 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:14 am

In post 16, MiniDeathStar wrote:Well that's a wagon if I've ever seen one. L-2 on the first page. Poor Gamma.

In post 17, MiniDeathStar wrote:Why did you all sheep me?

These both imply concern about the wagon. Why question the people on the wagon if you don't care? Why comment on it at all if you don't care? An unvote is not the only way to show concern on a wagon

What do you think would be reasons for sheeping you? Have you ever seen that before? Which reasons would be scummy? And which reasons would be towny?

lane0168 · Post Post #51 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:16 am

In post 47, MiniDeathStar wrote:Okay, Tiger, let me give you an analogous situation:

"When did start beating your boyfriend?"
"What makes you think I'm beating my boyfriend? Have I ever hit him?"

He asked me a loaded question. Of course I was defensive and trying to guess what he was getting at. I don't see what's so bad about that.

Terrible analogy. Here's a better one.

"ah I see my boyfriend is getting beaten! Poor boyfriend"
"why do you care about your boyfriend being beat?"
"oh I don't, did I say that? Did I call the cops? I don't care"

lane0168 · Post Post #52 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:17 am

In post 50, Creature wrote:Lane, did you get scum this time?

No. I hate getting scum. I got it two in a row and I hope never again

lane0168 · Post Post #53 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:18 am

In post 15, Fountain of Dreams wrote:Let's put a fork in the road for everyone else then.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

PEDIT: Never mind.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-3.

What did you nevermind?

lane0168 · Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:21 am

In post 26, MiniDeathStar wrote:
In post 18, Charloux wrote:Why are you concerned about the wagon?
Implying I was ever concerned. Not answering what led you to that pre-assumed conclusion when I asked you to.

In post 23, Charloux wrote:You didn't unvote
because
you didn't want to look concerned?
Now suddenly I didn't look concerned because I didn't unvote, because
if I had unvoted I'd have looked concerned
. Basically you just admitted that you made up my concern out of thin air.

And now you're lying that you had answered the question.

And OMGUS voting me and accusing me of "twisting the truth". That's rich.

I just got 2000% more confident in my vote on you.

You were concerned. And this is a major twist of words. Charloux said you didn't want to look concerned, and you say all of a sudden you didn't look concerned. When the original question was "why are you concerned" not why do you look concerned. He didn't make shit up out of thin air. Because you did look concerned

lane0168 · Post Post #55 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:24 am

In post 29, Fountain of Dreams wrote:
In post 20, Creature wrote:Won't put a wagon to L-1 on RVS
This is the post I don't like btw.

I agree with this. If he doesn't want to put a wagon to l-1 then don't. He makes it seem as if he wants to, but why want to? Its like he's legitimizing the rvs wagon somehow. I didn't explain that right did i

lane0168 · Post Post #56 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:28 am

In post 45, MiniDeathStar wrote:Okay, so now that you know I wasn't lying, why are you still voting me?

I suppose this isn't showing concern for someone voting you, because of the wink

lane0168 · Post Post #59 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:33 am

I don't care about why you said it. I'm telling you you showed concern and then acted like Charloux was making it all up.

lane0168 · Post Post #63 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:40 am

Do you often ask question on topics you're not actually concerned with? Do you do that more as scum or town?

lane0168 · Post Post #66 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:56 am

What was the motivation behind asking Charloux why he's still voting for you?

lane0168 · Post Post #110 (isolation #10) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:03 am

In post 92, Fountain of Dreams wrote:MDS

Lane's interrogation of you was awful.

Let's lynch him for that.

Explain why it's awful and why that makes me scum. It blows my mind how often people use reasons like theirs on page 3 of a game.

lane0168 · Post Post #127 (isolation #11) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:29 am

In post 112, Fountain of Dreams wrote:
In post 110, lane0168 wrote:
In post 92, Fountain of Dreams wrote:MDS

Lane's interrogation of you was awful.

Let's lynch him for that.
Explain why it's awful and why that makes me scum. It blows my mind how often people use reasons like theirs on page 3 of a game.
I've page 1'd scum before. This is not a good defense from you.

You got lucky.

lane0168 · Post Post #131 (isolation #12) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:33 am

In post 111, Fountain of Dreams wrote:Because it looks like you were reaching and not attempting to actually find scum. Lack of vote doesn't help you either when you pointed out several scummy things from others.

Really, I wasn't actually trying to find scum. And yet you say I pointed out several scummy things from others. This is a huge contradiction. I don't have to vote for shit if I don't want to. I'll vote when I'm ready. I'm ready now. Tell me why the lack of vote is scummy too. Why do scum point out scummy things and not vote?

VOTE: fountain

lane0168 · Post Post #134 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:39 am

Why would town do it?

lane0168 · Post Post #136 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:48 am

In post 135, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 134, lane0168 wrote:Why would town do it?
I don't know: maybe they are voting someone else? There's a logic for it I'm sure but I can't really find it.

For real? You can't think of a single reason? Do you think town would like to come to the conclusion someone is scummy enough to vote for before voting for someone? Or do you think it's better town votes first, then builds their case...

lane0168 · Post Post #137 (isolation #15) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:53 am

In post 130, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 127, lane0168 wrote:
In post 112, Fountain of Dreams wrote:
In post 110, lane0168 wrote:
In post 92, Fountain of Dreams wrote:MDS

Lane's interrogation of you was awful.

Let's lynch him for that.
Explain why it's awful and why that makes me scum. It blows my mind how often people use reasons like theirs on page 3 of a game.
I've page 1'd scum before. This is not a good defense from you.
You got lucky.
That reads awkward as hell.

I agree. Using something that happened 1 time before as proof that your case is legit is pretty weird

lane0168 · Post Post #170 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:20 am

In post 131, lane0168 wrote:
In post 111, Fountain of Dreams wrote:Because it looks like you were reaching and not attempting to actually find scum. Lack of vote doesn't help you either when you pointed out several scummy things from others.
Really, I wasn't actually trying to find scum. And yet you say I pointed out several scummy things from others. This is a huge contradiction. I don't have to vote for shit if I don't want to. I'll vote when I'm ready. I'm ready now. Tell me why the lack of vote is scummy too. Why do scum point out scummy things and not vote?

VOTE: fountain

I was scum hunting. I was responding to fountain. You would've understood it maybe if I had an eyeroll at the end of it.

Maybe if you use the whole quote it will be easier mini. Fountain said I wasn't attempting to actually find scum. Then in the same breath says I pointed out several scummy things. That's the contradiction

lane0168 · Post Post #172 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:03 am

No biggie, it's hard to catch tone in text sometimes

lane0168 · Post Post #173 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:03 am

So was I not scum hunting? Or pointing out several scummy things? What do you think of fountain contradicting himself?

lane0168 · Post Post #214 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:14 pm

Ok... I can't... Are we really going to believe SAJ that he had this super long post but his delete key cut stuck so he's just there frantically trying to get it to stop deleting his post while watching his whole post be deleted and got it to stop at that part???

@saj, Pretending that actually happened, what was the first part of your big post? Summarize it

lane0168 · Post Post #247 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:52 am

In post 234, bangthemafia wrote:
In post 214, lane0168 wrote:Ok... I can't... Are we really going to believe SAJ that he had this super long post but his delete key cut stuck so he's just there frantically trying to get it to stop deleting his post while watching his whole post be deleted and got it to stop at that part???

@saj, Pretending that actually happened, what was the first part of your big post? Summarize it
Why not? I fully relate to what SAJ said with that delete thing. I myself was about to do that. Started writing a quick reply on last page and in a hurry went 2 pages back to read something not realizing that what I wrote vanished. Had to hit back keys 2-3 times to recover that!

Having said that, SAJ doesnt seem to have any solid reason against Mini. She explained spoilers. I believe her explanation and rest of SAJ's case can be argued both ways!

That's completely different. The only time delete keys get stuck and you're watching everything get deleted is in the movies

lane0168 · Post Post #253 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:20 am

@fountain ,why do you ignore several people asking why you said nevermind on page 1?

lane0168 · Post Post #291 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:51 am

In post 290, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 282, bangthemafia wrote:
In post 105, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 103, MiniDeathStar wrote:
@Gamma:
I don't see a scumslip?
It feels like a cop-out for an inexcusable action.
Gamma, can you elaborate on this?
Dude put me at L-3 and went "Oh I didn't notice the name"
Not buying it

That didn't happen. Unless you meant "oh I didn't notice, the name"

lane0168 · Post Post #293 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:56 am

I don't think l-3 is inexcusable though.

lane0168 · Post Post #294 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:57 am

I'm just going to disagree with it. Let's not get into a pointless argument

lane0168 · Post Post #362 (isolation #25) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:32 am

In post 354, Fountain of Dreams wrote:TENSHII IS V/LA

AND IM DRUNK

DONT LYNCH US

I CANT DEFEND MYSLEF SUPER WELL RIGHT NOW IM SORRY

You can't defend yourself when you're sober. You don't even answer simple questions when asked several times by several people.

@mini, are you concerned scum will quick hammer? X2?

lane0168 · Post Post #404 (isolation #26) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:06 pm

In post 401, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Why do you think bang threw me into the scumpile without explaining his reasoning on me? He explained his reasoning on the other three and then threw me in with them.

Also, i believe the checked off names on creatures list would be people he has a townread on. The remaining names are null or scum to him. He also does this italic thing which i havent figured out yet.

Maybe hes your partner and wanted to show some suspicion on you but didn't want to give anyone else a reason to vote you.

lane0168 · Post Post #405 (isolation #27) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:07 pm

Why aren't you asking bang?

lane0168 · Post Post #407 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:57 pm

Ridiculous but null?

lane0168 · Post Post #422 (isolation #29) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:33 pm

In post 411, Spade_Ace wrote:
In post 400, Charloux wrote:I'm on my phone, so i can't post or read properly, but i won't explain #331 nor make a read on gamma, because making a personality analysis on a hydra sounds like a pain in the ***, but i give him points for trying to act surprised when he commented on #331.
WHAT?????? Are you trying to say Gamma is a hydra?

There are many things you could ask about this post. I'm really trying to figure why the hydra thing is what you chose to be solely baffled about.

Other things you could have asked about which I will.

@charloux, why don't you explain, what does personality analysis have to do with a read? If you're implying that he's only acting surprised, then you must have a reason for this, like a solid read. Why do you think he's acting surprised? Why don't you comment on 331? Why make post in the first place if you're unwilling to comment on it? Because it makes no points otherwise. Why won't you put a read on gamma? Personality analysis is not an excuse. You seem to have some sort of inside information, and yet you refuse to share it. Is there any possible way gamma is town, and only acting surprised? And somehow you know it? I doubt it. Highly doubt it. Which means you must both know something together.

VOTE: Charloux

I'll vote there, Gamma, space, or fountain slot. My money right now is in gamma Charloux and space.

Spade, how do you read that, and only come away with answering about a hydra?

lane0168 · Post Post #427 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:16 am

Just read Charlouxs post. If you don't see anything it doesn't matter. But it looks like to me he's got some inside information the way he says he impressed by how gamma ACTED surprised.

And I'm also wondering why spade only chose to comment on the hydra part, when that post seems shady as shit

lane0168 · Post Post #437 (isolation #31) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:30 am

No gamma, you're scum because of the weird facade between your and Charloux that's been going on all game. It's like you guys want to scum read each other but not too much. It's very empty. All your reads are very empty. You've voted for Charloux, but never made any case. He calls your read on him fake, but refuses to make a read on you.

Why do you think he left only you off his readslist? That included everyone else? You had previously voted him, so I would imagine you'd be looking at his posts with scrutiny, and yet you don't even bother questioning why he left you off the readslist. Otherwise, what was with the empty threat in 139? About not being done with charizard

Don't you think it's weird he's giving you points for acting surprised? Also, why are you only concerned with me thinking you're scum with him?

Charloux and gamma for sure. I'm thinking spade and maybe gamma was bussing fountain earlier. Can't decide.

Please can 1 or 2 of you guys iso gamma and Charloux and tell me how genuine that is? Preferably not their partner please, someone from the town

lane0168 · Post Post #438 (isolation #32) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:36 am

If it wasn't clear iso them together

lane0168 · Post Post #442 (isolation #33) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:19 am

In post 439, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what Lane can hang with FOD and Spade

In post 441, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 437, lane0168 wrote:No gamma, you're scum because of the weird facade between your and Charloux that's been going on all game. It's like you guys want to scum read each other but not too much. It's very empty. All your reads are very empty. You've voted for Charloux, but never made any case. He calls your read on him fake, but refuses to make a read on you.

Why do you think he left only you off his readslist? That included everyone else? You had previously voted him, so I would imagine you'd be looking at his posts with scrutiny, and yet you don't even bother questioning why he left you off the readslist. Otherwise, what was with the empty threat in 139? About not being done with charizard

Don't you think it's weird he's giving you points for acting surprised? Also, why are you only concerned with me thinking you're scum with him?

Charloux and gamma for sure. I'm thinking spade and maybe gamma was bussing fountain earlier. Can't decide.

Please can 1 or 2 of you guys iso gamma and Charloux and tell me how genuine that is? Preferably not their partner please, someone from the town
Look at the bold
Lane/Spade/FOD scumteam
Easy game easy life

Wow, I didn't think you'd give up that easy, I just can't understand why you don't have any questions for Charloux. Oh yes I can.

lane0168 · Post Post #443 (isolation #34) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:31 am

Also in what world can you bold someone's reads, then accuse them of being scum with 2 of the 4 people they are scum reading, with zero reasoning, and have people believe you?

You're reaching big time if you think you can bold that and somehow convince people im scum. Why don't you explain it?

lane0168 · Post Post #446 (isolation #35) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:43 am

In post 445, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 443, lane0168 wrote:Also in what world can you bold someone's reads, then accuse them of being scum with 2 of the 4 people they are scum reading, with zero reasoning, and have people believe you?

You're reaching big time if you think you can bold that and somehow convince people im scum. Why don't you explain it?
I can: you know those 2 are your buddies and want me and Charloux dead with them
Or maybe only one
My scumpool is
FOD
Spade
Lane
Charloux

And what are you basing this off of? Cause it seems like it just magically popped into your head after I called you scum. Vote Charloux then

lane0168 · Post Post #448 (isolation #36) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:42 am

I give you an F for effort, F for evidence. Both are none existent. But we can ignore that, and you can just vote Charloux with me

lane0168 · Post Post #451 (isolation #37) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:54 am

In post 449, Spade_Ace wrote:
In post 427, lane0168 wrote:Just read Charlouxs post. If you don't see anything it doesn't matter. But it looks like to me he's got some inside information the way he says he impressed by how gamma ACTED surprised.

And I'm also wondering why spade only chose to comment on the hydra part, when that post seems shady as shit
Read post 423

I'm not asking why you commented on the hydra part. In asking why that was the only thing in that post you thought was worthy of comment.

lane0168 · Post Post #452 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:55 am

In post 450, Gamma Emerald wrote:Lane: I've already hashed out FOD/Spade, though if you are unwilling to look back I'll rehash
As for you and Charloux, I'e had a scumread on him all game and you are doing your damnedest to tie yourself to him (At least FMPOV)

You think Charloux is scum, I think Charloux is scum, let's vote him.

lane0168 · Post Post #454 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:56 am

Right here, you just have to vote to get on

lane0168 · Post Post #456 (isolation #40) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:00 pm

lane0168 · Post Post #457 (isolation #41) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:00 pm

I'm pretty sure he's l-6 right now

lane0168 · Post Post #461 (isolation #42) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:38 pm

Wish it wasn't so quiet in here.

lane0168 · Post Post #467 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:40 pm

In post 462, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 461, lane0168 wrote:Wish it wasn't so quiet in here.
Then make some noise and ill jump in with my opinions. You could even ask me questions and ill post my opinions and answers.

You're already voting gamma. I want to hear from the other people.

lane0168 · Post Post #496 (isolation #44) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:49 am

In post 495, Creature wrote:Can someone quote the best post representing the case on Charloux?

Yes the iso of gamma and Charloux together are the best posts. It's an act. Charloux leaves gamma out of his reads list, Gamma doesn't notice or care to comment on it. Charloux seems to have inside information and is impressed by how gamma can act surprised at something, and continues to not give a read on gamma or explain himself

lane0168 · Post Post #498 (isolation #45) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:53 am

Gamma has been scumreading Charloux all game, but won't vote there. Gamma has a magic scumread on me immediately after I can gamma scum. Gamma and Charloux posts to each other are empty.

Pedit, who noted it?

lane0168 · Post Post #500 (isolation #46) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:55 am

Minideathstar

lane0168 · Post Post #501 (isolation #47) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:55 am

In post 499, Charloux wrote:This is kinda funny

Ahh, the classic "lol" scum claim. Perfect

lane0168 · Post Post #502 (isolation #48) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:56 am

Two games in a row I caught scum and they went the "lol" route.

lane0168 · Post Post #505 (isolation #49) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:59 am

In post 331, Charloux wrote:@MDS:I don't want to associate with gamma, and one of us will die soon enough. I will keep my read on klingon for a little bit.

Are they bad though gamma? Why would someone not want to associate with you? Why would someone want to distance themselves from someone else day 1?

lane0168 · Post Post #506 (isolation #50) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:01 am

In post 504, Charloux wrote:
In post 502, lane0168 wrote:Two games in a row I caught scum and they went the "lol" route.
Two games in a row you were scumreading me, and you were wrong. Actually, the second one was fake nvm.

I wonder how things would be if everyone used one instance of being wrong on someone to never scumread them again...

lane0168 · Post Post #507 (isolation #51) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:03 am

This isn't about your playstyle. It's about what you're saying

lane0168 · Post Post #514 (isolation #52) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:45 am

Charloux? You gonna kill gamma?

lane0168 · Post Post #517 (isolation #53) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:18 am

VOTE: gamma

lane0168 · Post Post #520 (isolation #54) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:42 am

L-2. 1 more vote on gamma to fulfill his experiment

lane0168 · Post Post #524 (isolation #55) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:34 am

In post 522, MiniDeathStar wrote:This is literally the randomest lynch. What's it going to prove? What's the point of it? If Gamma is town, why is he self-voting? Why are you running this 'experiment' at all?

I'm seriously not following, guys.

I don't know, but it seems like a good idea to me. It's going to prove that Charloux wants gamma dead. Don't know why gamma wants to prove it, but I like it

lane0168 · Post Post #525 (isolation #56) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:36 am

Just vote gamma, let's see if Charloux hammers

lane0168 · Post Post #531 (isolation #57) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:15 am

In post 527, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTW I never intended to let myself get lynched

Nice, empty threat, all for show. What was the point?

lane0168 · Post Post #532 (isolation #58) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:15 am

In post 528, Creature wrote:I don't think the test makes much sense anyway. What if Charloux actually hammers?

Then scum are lynched

lane0168 · Post Post #534 (isolation #59) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:58 am

In post 444, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I have been sceptical about Gamma through the game but post 428 thru 432 reads as the start to a self-imploding meltdown train wreck. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Gamma for the nwxt few pages incase he takes with him anyone near.

VOTE: Gamma

You voted for a different reason, but now you cite the gamma/Charloux pairing, and youre not totally interested in that? What happened? If you voted for his reaction which I agree was terrible, what is the relevance on not being interested in a gamma/Charloux pairing?

lane0168 · Post Post #536 (isolation #60) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:50 pm

In post 535, MiniDeathStar wrote:Rereading the last couple pages, I think the whole fake wagon was because Charlie was mad at Gamma for calling him a pokémon and Gamma decided to troll a little further? Um, guys. I'm sure you can settle this without tying ropes to each other's necks. Lower the testosterone a little.

@Secret Agent Jin:
Last time I checked, I wasn't a septivoter so how can I look bad when I vote Spade "alone" and he flips town? Why would I look bad at all for lynching a scummy townie anyway?

Why are you answering for gamma?

lane0168 · Post Post #540 (isolation #61) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:52 pm

Gammas date through... What's that?

lane0168 · Post Post #554 (isolation #62) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:53 am

In post 543, Spade_Ace wrote:
In post 531, lane0168 wrote:
In post 527, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTW I never intended to let myself get lynched
Nice, empty threat, all for show. What was the point?
If you didn't know the point, why did you join the wagon???

Cause I want gamma dead. Maybe you should be asking, if gamma didn't know the point, why did he start it? It was all for show. Scum like to vote themselves to show people they aren't concerned about dying. It's an act

lane0168 · Post Post #604 (isolation #63) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 593, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 592, TwiszTed wrote:Alban, Tiger Moth, Creature < happy lynching in here thus far.
This is actually a half decent scum list.

Considering it contains zero of your own scum reads? Wtf?

lane0168 · Post Post #614 (isolation #64) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:50 pm

In post 608, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 604, lane0168 wrote:
In post 593, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 592, TwiszTed wrote:Alban, Tiger Moth, Creature < happy lynching in here thus far.
This is actually a half decent scum list.
Considering it contains zero of your own scum reads? Wtf?
My scumreads have been listed as what I felt was relevant.
I havent bothered to parse my reads at all.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. What is half decent about his reads list?

lane0168 · Post Post #661 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:14 am

In post 636, MiniDeathStar wrote:I would spontaneously ovulate if Ted replaced Transcend every game.

*cough* Anyway. He's either too good at this or he's town and I read Fountain wrong. In either case, I think I'll remove him from my scum pile for now. There definitely are better candidates for his spot.

TwiszTed wrote:
In post 623, Klingoncelt wrote:She says if I'm right I get no % of the credit. I say but if I'm wrong I bet I get 100% of the blame.

Why are you having problems with context?
I'm just fine on context. The only one talking about 100% of the blame is you.

Just because it comes out of your mouth doesn't mean it originated from
her
head.

Now who's the one struggling with context?
Since this became a thing, I just want to clarify what I meant by credit. Klingon has been scumreading Fountain since page 1, for absolutely terrible reasons, but she's 100% sure she's nailed the scum team. I was saying that even if Fountain/Ted turned out to be scum, Klingon shouldn't credit herself with amazing scumhunting, since she couldn't have known for sure that early and for that reason. It would just be pure luck.

Basically I was just trying to avoid letting her boost her own ego for that lynch if it turned out to be correct.

When it takes 7 to lynch, I wouldn't 100% blame a mislynch on one single person.

Why are you concerned about klingons ego and what happens to it? Just explain one more time why you care so gets or takes credit?

lane0168 · Post Post #662 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:22 am

In post 657, Kop wrote:
In post 554, lane0168 wrote:
In post 543, Spade_Ace wrote:
In post 531, lane0168 wrote:
In post 527, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTW I never intended to let myself get lynched
Nice, empty threat, all for show. What was the point?
If you didn't know the point, why did you join the wagon???
Cause I want gamma dead. Maybe you should be asking, if gamma didn't know the point, why did he start it? It was all for show. Scum like to vote themselves to show people they aren't concerned about dying. It's an act
I can get behind this. I've seen plenty of self voting, and it's been majority coming from scum.

Only bad town self vote, because they don't believe in there own ability to convince others that they are town. I've done it a few times, but I've learnt that self voting does nothing but push your own lynch further, rather than stopping it.

I don't know what Gamma was aiming to achieve other than proving if Charloux would hammer or not. But that wouldn't prove what alignment either are.
If Charloux hammered Gamma, where would be left off? We would push for charloux, and if he flips town, then we aren't no further forward of finding scum.
The whole charade stunk, and never really gave a bigger picture to what it was set out to achieve.

Why would we push for Charloux? I would, cause I think they're partners (more like possible as opposed to probable for me as of now) but you seem to be telling us gamma is going to flip town.

lane0168 · Post Post #667 (isolation #67) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:58 am

In post 665, Kop wrote:
I don't know what Gamma was aiming to achieve other than proving if Charloux would hammer or not.
But that wouldn't prove what alignment either are.
If Charloux hammered Gamma, where would be left off? We would push for charloux, and if he flips town, then we aren't no further forward of finding scum. The whole charade stunk, and never really gave a bigger picture to what it was set out to achieve.
I'll bold that bit to make it a bit more clearer for you.

Well it would prove what alignment gamma was when gamma was lynched. And there was no if "if Charloux hammered gamma... We would push for Charloux"

Why would we push for Charloux if he hammered gamma?

lane0168 · Post Post #792 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:30 am

Wild game! I'm not really seeing any disrespect until "shut the fuck up" and what is softing?

lane0168 · Post Post #794 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:44 am

You think it's a good idea to put power roles?

lane0168 · Post Post #795 (isolation #70) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:45 am

Like when Charloux said he or gamma will be dead soon?

lane0168 · Post Post #796 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:46 am

lane0168 · Post Post #797 (isolation #72) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:47 am

Or even soft VT claims?

lane0168 · Post Post #806 (isolation #73) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:21 am

In post 799, MiniDeathStar wrote:Please don't answer instead of Gamma. I'm trying to get him to talk.

I'm not answering. You said either him or you are going to out a softclaim that seems to have gone unnoticed. I'm asking you if you think that's a good idea and why? I'm not answering whether you or gamma should be the one to do it

lane0168 · Post Post #808 (isolation #74) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:43 am

But it doesn't say anything about searching for softclaims. All you've done now is notify scum that you think you've found a softclaim and for them to go search for it. I didn't notice any softclaims. It's there a difference between softclaims that go unnoticed and crumbs?

lane0168 · Post Post #847 (isolation #75) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:11 am

2.5 days. Let's get those votes out there eh? There's basically no consensus. Gamma doesn't seem to be happening. Reads are everywhere or non existent. Which I honestly can't blame people for. Just gotta come to an agreement.

VOTE: spade

lane0168 · Post Post #898 (isolation #76) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:36 am

People not voting are setting us up for a speed lynch that will end in no claim and possibly a lynch on a power role. Very your damn votes out the its page 36, we don't need some random speed lynch. Start making wagons already there a day and a half left

lane0168 · Post Post #899 (isolation #77) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:38 am

In post 898, lane0168 wrote:People not voting are setting us up for a speed lynch that will end in no claim and possibly a lynch on a power role. Get your damn votes out there, its page 36, we don't need some random speed lynch. Start making wagons already theres a day and a half left

Fixed

lane0168 · Post Post #951 (isolation #78) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:40 am

VOTE: alban

lane0168 · Post Post #955 (isolation #79) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:57 am

In post 953, MiniDeathStar wrote:Lane, you've literally never even mentioned the guy until now. What's with the vote?

We have a day and a half left and zero effort to compromise on a lynch. I've already explained this

lane0168 · Post Post #958 (isolation #80) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:31 pm

... To compromise on the lynch. Nobody is (was) even halfway to a lynch. That's not good. Not with this much time left

lane0168 · Post Post #959 (isolation #81) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:32 pm

There was 2 votes on spade. I didn't see anyone going there. There's 1 vote on SAJ, not exactly what I would call a viable wagon. Maybe you should do something useful with your vote

lane0168 · Post Post #960 (isolation #82) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:32 pm

VOTE: spade

lane0168 · Post Post #1052 (isolation #83) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:39 am

In post 961, MiniDeathStar wrote:1) Spade claimed VT already. Even if he's town, mafia would never kill him. Plus, town!Spade would discard alban's "scumslip" once and for all.

2) There's no case on alban other than the "scumslip".

3) You could have wagoned Creature. Why didn't you?

You could wagon creature, why aren't you? I didn't because I put my vote on Alban. And I only have 1 vote like everyone else. How could I do both? I wouldn't, but how do you expect I could do both?

lane0168 · Post Post #1054 (isolation #84) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:20 am

Ok so exactly what I was trying to avoid is happening. Fucking fantastic

lane0168 · Post Post #1057 (isolation #85) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:28 am

I still think gamma and Charloux are buddies. Been really great if we could get one of them lynched

Next choice is Ted, Fountain was just too scummy.

@alban,bang, so you think spade would think of softclaiming VT as scum? Like is that something he's capable of thinking of doing as scum or is that not his style/experience?

Next id vote secret agent jin/bang/alban/spade

Then the rest

Last likely to vote kop and creature

lane0168 · Post Post #1058 (isolation #86) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:30 am

In post 1055, MiniDeathStar wrote:I'm not going to lynch someone who I think is town just because NL is so taboo on MafiaScum. I don't care what you think.

I don't think you understand, reads can't progress without flips. Flips don't happen without lynches and kills. Nobody benefits from a no lynch day 1 except for scum. How can you be so sure someone is town anyways?

lane0168 · Post Post #1059 (isolation #87) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:33 am

Like, do you think you're so good you can't be wrong that you'd rather no lynch? When other people think it's right? That's so bad and anti town. But I digress. We'll have enough for a lynch eventually without you I'm sure

lane0168 · Post Post #1064 (isolation #88) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:42 am

In post 1060, MiniDeathStar wrote:I literally couldn't care less if Gamma or Charloux die, so I'll hammer either of them.

Just, Spade's reaction to being wagoned and then at L-1 felt town to me. I know he's claimed VT but I don't think I'll get much information out of his lynch.

I agree, hopefully bang and Alban get back to me, because if they think that is something he's capable of as scum or is in his repertoire, then it changes it for me

lane0168 · Post Post #1068 (isolation #89) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:59 am

In post 1062, Creature wrote:I might sheep you to Gamma or Charloux. Which you feel is most likely scum?

Both. Gamma maybe has the slight edge. I don't think that self vote was town at all. It was just a show to get pressure off himself. And if worked. And just their interactions just seem so... Off, shady, fake. Just makes me feel yucky

lane0168 · Post Post #1069 (isolation #90) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:00 am

In post 1065, Spade_Ace wrote:@MDS and Creature I don't think charls is scum though. He was the first person to remove vote against me when I was at L-1. I don't find any reason for a scum to do that.

@Lane, Alban and bang would probably say am capable of that

You thinking he's not scum is the exact reason scum do that

lane0168 · Post Post #1070 (isolation #91) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:01 am

Surprised you couldn't think of that. That scum sometimes do things to look town

lane0168 · Post Post #1071 (isolation #92) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:01 am

The fact you couldn't even think of that makes me question if you could think of soft claiming VT as scum

lane0168 · Post Post #1092 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:16 am

VOTE: gamma this should be the lynch, if it's not, we can't keep running people up we're not willing to lynch.

lane0168 · Post Post #1095 (isolation #94) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:22 am

Yeah he's capable of lying. And that's what I'm asking you, how likely is spade to do that as scum. You're saying he's capable but then say you believe it because he did it before the wagon. That's the part I'm asking about.

lane0168 · Post Post #1096 (isolation #95) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:23 am

Wtf Alban. You're not helping with that vote. Klingon will not get traction to get lynched

lane0168 · Post Post #1098 (isolation #96) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:24 am

Spade and gamma seem to be the options this late. Votes elsewhere are unhelpful and anti town

lane0168 · Post Post #1104 (isolation #97) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:58 am

In post 1100, Tiger moth wrote:
Unvote: Spade

I'm not happy with the company I'm left in there.

In post 1068, lane0168 wrote:Both. Gamma maybe has the slight edge. I don't think that self vote was town at all. It was just a show to get pressure off himself. And if worked. And just their interactions just seem so... Off, shady, fake. Just makes me feel yucky

Gamma wasn't under pressure at the time. It was Charloux who was under pressure there.

Lynches in order of preference:

SAJ
Lane, bang, Klingon
Spade, MDS, Charloux
TT, Gamma
Kop, alban, creature

Well that's not true so I don't know why you would say that. I was putting a bunch of pressure on gamma and spade was questioning him on a couple things and so did mini. Charloux was saying he'd kill gamma if he had the chance. Why are you lying? And how am I second in line?

lane0168 · Post Post #1108 (isolation #98) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:12 am

In post 1105, alban wrote:
In post 1095, lane0168 wrote:Yeah he's capable of lying. And that's what I'm asking you, how likely is spade to do that as scum. You're saying he's capable but then say you believe it because he did it before the wagon. That's the part I'm asking about.
Not likely to lie in the absence of the wagon. He would use that as a last resort.
I tried to locate the post where Spade claimed, to understand how much pressure he was feeling. Not able to find. Can you point me to that?

669, his reply to you....

lane0168 · Post Post #1119 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:44 am

What a joke. Whose reads have progressed? This game is a shit show and nobody is confident in any of there reads. Several people are all over the board. Are your a big fan of last minute flash wagon lynches? Do you think that helps town? Do you think no lynch helps town?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:47 am

"gamma wasnt under pressure" - tigermoth
"uh yes he was, a few people were questioning him" - lane
"oh yeah well you and that one other person who voted for him, I'll ignore the other people questioning him" - tigermoth

Which is it Tiger? Was he under pressure or was he not under pressure?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:48 am

In post 439, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what Lane can hang with FOD and Spade

Not a post of someone not feeling pressure

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:52 am

In post 1119, lane0168 wrote:What a joke. Whose reads have progressed? This game is a shit show and nobody is confident in any of there reads. Several people are all over the board. Are your a big fan of last minute flash wagon lynches? Do you think that helps town? Do you think no lynch helps town?

Is for tigermoth

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:58 am

Tigermoth, considering what I consider pressure and what you believe is not pressure, why did you say gamma wasnt under pressure, and then admit he was under pressure?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:01 am

@tigermoth, and yes I am willing to push most lynches. Because I don't want no lynch. It's too late for people to now start figuring shit out. That's dangerous for town. We've had 2 weeks or whatever. It's time to come to a conclusion and some people might have to compromise. Do you think it's scummy to compromise?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:04 am

16 hours? Deadline is 5 am on a Sunday for me. A lot of people like to do fun shit on the weekends so might not even be here. And tigermoth thinks I'm scummy for trying to get a lynch. That's absurd

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:53 am

Gamma (L-3) - Charls, MDS, Kop, Lane
Spade - Bang, Kling
Kling - Spade, Alban
Creature -
Bang - Ted
Twiszted- creature
Not voted - SAJ, Gamma, tiger

Creature why did you move to twisted? That's not helpful whatsoever

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:33 am

In post 1138, Tiger moth wrote:Lane: Did it really need 6 posts to reply to my post about you? There were only 2 votes on Gamma when he self-voted, and one of those was an rvs vote, so no pressure from votes really only you pushing him.

I asked you what the case on Gamma was, following your vote switch to Spade, and you just ignored me. You also ignored the rest of the discussion when you posted your complaint in 898 and then voted alban who you didn't appear to even be scumreading.

Vote: Klingon

I prefer this to the Gamma wagon but I can switch if necessary.

But why did you say there was no pressure on gamma then say there was when I said there was. You admitted there was pressure. Which contradicts yourself when you said gamma wasnt under pressure. I ignored the conversation because I didn't have anything to add to the conversation. And if you wanted the case on gamma you could've iso'd me if it was that important. Or reread and found it. Did you do that? And I've explained my vote on Alban

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:34 am

And did it need 6 posts? No, but I post much the same way I think

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:53 pm

11 hours till deadline on a Saturday night and Ted is deliberately trying to prevent it. Awesome

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:52 pm

In post 1154, lane0168 wrote:11 hours till deadline on a Saturday night and Ted is deliberately trying to prevent it. Awesome

I take that back

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:11 pm

Are they all on your scumlist regardless of gammas flip? Or do you already know what the flip will be?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:15 pm

That seems like a really weird thing to say preflip

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:42 am

I think creature should full claim

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:04 am

What's your roll creature?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:06 am

Mafia have a bus driver?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:09 am

In post 1224, Creature wrote:
In post 1220, lane0168 wrote:What's your roll creature?
I am an Innocent Child, now who's scum?

Scum didn't kill you. Why won't you claim?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:10 am

In post 1223, MiniDeathStar wrote:Don't they always have a bus driver in this setup?

Where did you get that information?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:17 am

In post 1228, Creature wrote:
In post 1225, lane0168 wrote:
In post 1224, Creature wrote:
In post 1220, lane0168 wrote:What's your roll creature?
I am an Innocent Child, now who's scum?
Scum didn't kill you. Why won't you claim?
Are you actually scumreading me? Otherwise there's no point in claiming.

I want to know why you didn't die and if scum aren't going to kill you claims help figure out the setup. The point is to see if you're lying.

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:19 am

In post 1227, MiniDeathStar wrote:Oh, just double checked, there is a case where they don't have a bus driver but JOAT with strongman power so effectively the same thing.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9%2B%2B

There are 2 cases. Why would you think otherwise? Did you ever look to see what was possible for scum to have as power roles and setups?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:53 am

In post 1232, Creature wrote:Maybe they didn't even target me.

Who said they did target you? In 1011 you seem open to full claim asking if you should say more than "pr". Now I'm asking and you're completely against it even though scum have shown no interest in killing you. Why is that?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:00 am

In post 1221, MiniDeathStar wrote:Asking because you FoS Creature now, or to help mafia decide whether to shoot straight or bus drive?

In post 1233, MiniDeathStar wrote:Scum could have assumed Creature would get protection or is some kill-avoiding role. They could have thought Klingon or Spade was a better choice. Idk why. But Creature surviving one night doesn't make him mega scummy IMO.

lane0168 wrote:
In post 1227, MiniDeathStar wrote:Oh, just double checked, there is a case where they don't have a bus driver but JOAT with strongman power so effectively the same thing.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9%2B%2B
There are 2 cases. Why would you think otherwise? Did you ever look to see what was possible for scum to have as power roles and setups?
I checked the setup like once before signing up, I haven't bothered to analyse it further until now. Why are we still talking about that?

We're still talking about it because you seem to know scum has a bus driver. And I don't believe you thought scum always had a bus driver.

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:03 am

In post 989, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 975, Spade_Ace wrote:Cool. L-1. Someone just needs to hammer. MDS, alban and bang I hope you got all the info you needed from this wagon. Let the avatar thing go please. If Kling still thinks alban is scum cos of this pls lynch her. Also look at lane , he seems contend with voting for anyone and shifts between votes too much. Wish I could have helped you people more. All the best.
Well, when we go into Night I can search though Alban's ISO, maybe I'll see something Towny in there. Maybe.

In post 990, Klingoncelt wrote:I'll compromise on a Spade vote.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

But I'm not voting for Creature today. His play looks fairly normal (for him) so far.

Do these look like klingon would hide behind spade or Alban? I highly doubt klingon iso'd Alban and ended up with the strongest townread on him.

Klingon almost certainly hid behind creature, the town read pr claim. Which means creature is scum

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:04 am

VOTE: creature

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:09 am

I'm not seeing any other town reads from that slot

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:19 am

In post 1260, Creature wrote:
In post 1256, lane0168 wrote:Klingon almost certainly hid behind creature, the town read pr claim.
Why would he do that?

To not die

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:27 am

Make stuff up? Who do you think klingon hid behind? A scum read or a town read? If you can find another viable townread in klingons iso im willing to listen. I see one. Creature. And klingon is dead.

Pedit. So you and creature want me to believe scum might not kill a PR, but a hider would never consider scum might not shoot a PR or that that pr will be protected?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:29 am

In post 1233, MiniDeathStar wrote:Scum could have assumed Creature would get protection or is some kill-avoiding role. They could have thought Klingon or Spade was a better choice. Idk why. But Creature surviving one night doesn't make him mega scummy IMO.

lane0168 wrote:
In post 1227, MiniDeathStar wrote:Oh, just double checked, there is a case where they don't have a bus driver but JOAT with strongman power so effectively the same thing.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9%2B%2B
There are 2 cases. Why would you think otherwise? Did you ever look to see what was possible for scum to have as power roles and setups?
I checked the setup like once before signing up, I haven't bothered to analyse it further until now. Why are we still talking about that?

Interesting, a couple explanations why scum wouldn't kill creature, and yet hider would never do it. Why is that?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:32 am

In post 1266, Creature wrote:You're questioning me for not being targeted but you think Klingon would hide behind me who was likely to be targeted.

I know klingon is a hider. I know klingon's iso has you and only you as a town read. And I know klingon is dead. What does that mean by your math?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:32 am

In post 1268, MiniDeathStar wrote:I'm not going to answer any more questions regarding setup speculation. Stop beating a dead horse.

You're telling me its not possible. Why are you so against it and why don't you even consider it?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:34 am

And why do you want to avoid it so much? You seem to think this had been going on for pages... And I'm not asking about setup. I'm asking you why you have me explanations why scum didn't kill creature, but thinks it's impossible klingon hid behind her only town read

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:35 am

In post 1266, Creature wrote:You're questioning me for not being targeted but you think Klingon would hide behind me who was likely to be targeted.

Don't you think that should be questioned? Don't you think it's a little weird when pr claims agent targeted for night kills?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:40 am

@mini, you don't question creatures claim at all?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:40 am

What is your role creature?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:48 am

In post 1274, Creature wrote:You're a hider, innocent but you can actually be pretty useful later in the game and can actually confirm town/scum. However, if you hide behind someone who dies, you'll also die. Do you hide behind someone likely to die?

Yes | No

No of course not. Ask me if I let power roles live. No of course not. You're asking me about a preference. I'm giving you evidence that A) you're alive as a claimed power role B) you refuse to claim C) a hider is dead and the only town read they had was you

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:57 am

In post 1278, Creature wrote:I think I'd rather have 5 players vote for me to reveal my role. Otherwise scum could still get my role without being questioned.

They don't care what your role is. Otherwise you'd be dead. I'm pretty sure you're lying about being a town pr

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:02 am

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you claim either doctor or 1 shot commuter. Because any other roles give us meaningful information that you refuse to give is. You're already in borrowed time. Likely to die tonight supposedly, and yet you won't give any information about anything. How is that helping?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:03 am

Because if he actually is a PR, whatever information he has is useful. Why would scum continue to leave pr's alive?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:04 am

In post 1284, MiniDeathStar wrote:In a previous game, I softclaimed PR and survived the following night, because the scum thought I was NK immune serial killer. I was actually the doctor. I hardclaimed the next day and got eaten. It can happen. This is kind of why I'm willing to give Creature the benefit of the doubt for today in particular.

I don't think scum are worried about him being nk immune whatsoever

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:04 am

Right, take your information to the grave. That'll help

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:05 am

In post 1287, Creature wrote:I think it's most benefitial to keep my claim a secret right now.

Even though you were willing to full claim yesterday?

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:05 am

In post 1290, Creature wrote:Yes, scum will make the mod not post what role I am when I flip.

I'm talking about your night action

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:08 am

In post 1282, Creature wrote:Why don't you see the advantage of not claiming your role?

I do. But you already claimed pr and you're alive and you are willing to claim before but now you're not for some reason

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:56 am

Well maybe Tiger is right... I took that at face value. Doesn't seem clear to me I read that several times in twilight and thought klingon was possibly scum for it. Shows what I know.

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:25 pm

UNVOTE:

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:43 pm

Kop
Bang
Secret
Twiszted

I think that's the order id lynch in right this second

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:40 pm

Well when he explained why he wasn't interacting with gamma and couple that with gamma town, it kinda just dissolved.

lane0168 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:29 pm

Skimming Charloux-alban iso Id put Charloux in the list. I'm not sure where though

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:33 am

In post 1330, Charloux wrote:Don't worry i can 2 scumreads with me to the grave with just one lynch.

2? What do you mean?

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:57 am

Oh he was talking to you specifically. Threw me off.

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:01 am

KKHCTTT with vig

KHCTTTT without vig

So far

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:04 am

Either way there needs to be another power role somewhere if we're believing creature. Or there's a missing kill

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:07 am

So

KKHCUTT with vig no sk. C=creature u=unknown

KHCUTTT with sk, no vig

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:13 am

This is believe creature and Charloux... Wait, that was pointless. Cause it's all screwed up of creature is a vig.

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:08 am

You lynch Charloux just in case. He kills the top scumread

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:12 am

"
I'll be honest. I don't think the vig is an asset anymore. They killed scum and did their job (well done btw!). If they shoot wrong now, tomorrow may well be mylo and a vig claim will be far less likely to be believed. Or it could even be 3 villagers vs 3 scum (2 maf + SK), in which case town's odds drop quite significantly. I think town benefits a lot more from a pseudo-clear today that can act as a meatshield tonight." - mini

This is a great point.

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:12 am

Meaning I agree vig should claim

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:20 am

A claim doesn't prevent them from shooting wrong though... Either way. Tomorrow will be mass claim anyways I imagine. The vig can do what they want. Did anyone offer any plausible explanations why spade was targeted?

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:33 am

In post 1364, Kop wrote:VOTE: Bangthemafia

For some reason, I keep coming back to this, and reading his posts, doesn't make me want to veer away from it. I'm still not been put at ease with his explanations to his contradictions on day one, I just think this guy is scum.

If I said I feel pretty much the exact same way about you... Does that make you town?

lane0168 · Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:07 pm

Must be scum

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:54 am

VOTE: scumdeers

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:15 pm

I'll claim if creature claims first

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:15 pm

I thought Charloux said he's not vengeful. I obviously didn't understand what he was saying when he said he fake claimed...

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:16 pm

In post 1396, Charloux wrote:So, i feel bad about fakeclaiming so i want to end this fast. VOTE: ScumDeers
Sorry i lied to you MDS!

Why is Charloux still a vengeful in your list mini. He said he fake claimed.

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:48 pm

Creature you go first, then popcorn remaining

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:34 pm

I'm jailkeeper

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:36 pm

I jailkept klingon.

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:21 pm

Or klingon hid behind scum like I was trying to figure out saying it was probably creature because I knew that was the case ... And tigermoth corrected me on who...

Also why I wanted creature to claim hoping he'd claim something impossible.

Explain how I was confused? I was noting the claimed power roles. Indicating there was for sure another power role. Which there was. That seem confused?

How did we already figure out klingon did because she hid, and yet you seem to want to jump on me for it without a second thought?

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:23 pm

In post 1469, MiniDeathStar wrote:Also lane, 1344 and 1345 together pretty much implied you're a villager. How does a power role get confused like that? Compare with here:
In post 1336, MiniDeathStar wrote:Okay, so with Charloux's vengeful claim he's conftown and
now I definitely know there's 3 mafia
(now 2 left) in the game, and another killing role (either vig or SK).
Where I pretty much PR slipped.

What does your pr slip have anything to do with anything?

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:24 pm

In post 1472, MiniDeathStar wrote:On the other hand, lane's claim is so otherwordly that he's either actually telling the truth or is massively failing as scum. If we have another PR, I guess it's possible that Klingon was bus driven on Night 1 and lane jailkept somebody else.

Stop sowing confusion. I didn't jailkeep anyone else. And how is it otherworldly at all?

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:28 pm

In post 1459, MiniDeathStar wrote:So, exactly where were you when I swept up every nook and cranny looking for a vigilante claim?

Unless we get 2 more PR claims, there is for sure no bus driver.

Meaning at this point you for sure believed every claim completely? How?

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:29 pm

In post 1458, Creature wrote:I'm vigilante, I didn't want to reveal that because of possible bus driver (now it'll be harder to hit the target I intend).

Though I didn't shoot anyone last night.

I'll popcorn bang from {Kop, bang, lane}

So there's an sk for sure if you're truthful

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:33 pm

Kop or bang, you guys claim next. Next one to read this

lane0168 · Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:10 pm

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:08 am

In post 1607, MiniDeathStar wrote:
Scum Meter

Charloux

Secret Agent Jin

Creature*

lane0168*

bangthemafia*

Tiger moth**

Kop**

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty**
town
|
~town
|
null
|
~scum
|
scum
Zero or two of {Creature, lane, bang} are scum.
One of {Tiger moth, Kop, ScumDeers} is 100% scum (assuming town!Jin).
If two of {Creature, lane, bang} are town, then Tiger moth, Kop and ScumDeers are all scum.

How are you getting zero or two? What if it's just 1?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:12 am

In post 1613, lane0168 wrote:
In post 1607, MiniDeathStar wrote:
Scum Meter

Charloux

Secret Agent Jin

Creature*

lane0168*

bangthemafia*

Tiger moth**

Kop**

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty**
town
|
~town
|
null
|
~scum
|
scum
Zero or two of {Creature, lane, bang} are scum.
One of {Tiger moth, Kop, ScumDeers} is 100% scum (assuming town!Jin).
If two of {Creature, lane, bang} are town, then Tiger moth, Kop and ScumDeers are all scum.
How are you getting zero or two? What if it's just 1?

Nvmd

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:13 am

VOTE: kop

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:15 am

I don't think you're scum with me. I think it's possible with MDS, or you're serial killer who did shoot, and MDS is lying scum.

Either way I'm thinking we kill kop and let these night actions play out

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:27 am

In post 1634, Tiger moth wrote:The only niggle I have about lane is 1306. It doesn't really make sense that lane would jail Klingon after reading her last few posts.

It doesn't make sense to jailkeep someone you think could be scum?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:09 am

In post 1653, MiniDeathStar wrote:
In post 1651, lane0168 wrote:
In post 1634, Tiger moth wrote:The only niggle I have about lane is 1306. It doesn't really make sense that lane would jail Klingon after reading her last few posts.
It doesn't make sense to jailkeep someone you think could be scum?
No. Chances are you'd be saving them from the SK. Mafia don't send their scummiest people to do the night kill, since they are obvious tracker targets. With 52% chance for at least 1 tracker, it's too much of a gamble.

SKs on the other hand love shooting scumreads.

So you think klingon was anywhere near the scummiest player? No. But I thought there was a slight chance. A perfect spot for a jailkeep. Anyone questioning my claim can look at the opening of the day. So you see any question in my mind that klingon was a kill target? No, because it's not possible, I guess small chance but scum didn't waste a strongman on klingon

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:10 am

People should know when I say "so...." I usually mean "do" I exclusively phone post and "so" gives it a different meaning. Just assume I mean "do"

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:45 am

In post 1662, Tiger moth wrote:
In post 1651, lane0168 wrote:It doesn't make sense to jailkeep someone you think could be scum?
No. It doesn't make sense for town to jailkeep someone who has said they were going to look into someone at night, because it would prevent them doing so. But it does make sense for scum to block and/or try to kill them. Which is probably what happened and explains the missing scum kill.

What?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:47 am

Just so we're clear. You think it doesn't make sense to use a jailkeep on someone you think is scum. Whether to block their kill or any of their power roles

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:41 am

In post 1669, Tiger moth wrote:Hider is untargetable so block fails.

In post 1664, lane0168 wrote:Just so we're clear. You think it doesn't make sense to use a jailkeep on someone you think is scum. Whether to block their kill or any of their power roles
No. I'm saying that Klingon's last posts should have made town you give her the benefit of the doubt and not tried to jail her. You said that you had thought about them. I don't understand how you could have read and not seen it as a crumb. But alban and his buddies would have seen them as a definite threat and acted accordingly.

You can't know that. And what it looked like to me was someone who already knew what the flip was going to be. Considering she already knew who she was going to iso regardless of flip. If there was a scum flip I would look at the scum that flipped and look for associations. That wasn't an option in her plan and I thought that was shady. So I guess I don't know your point here then.

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:43 am

In post 1673, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 1670, MiniDeathStar wrote:I have the nagging feeling that scum JOAT claiming jailkeeper with the night kill target just sounds way too obvious to be true.

Tiger moth, you see scum in bang+lane and Jin, correct? Earlier you implied that scum!Jin relies on scum!bang, but that would mean lane is not part of the mafia. Something doesn't quite add up.
Its because Bang is true PR and Lane is probably JOAT.

What are you even basing this off of?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:53 am

In post 1676, MiniDeathStar wrote:Reading the beginning of Day 2, what actually concerns me more is why lane didn't jailkeep the claimed power role. That's what I would have done. Anyway, at the beginning of Day 2, lane asks why Creature is still alive and calls him scum for it. Weird thing to say as a jailkeeper.

He also tries to somehow imply Klingon hid behind Creature because he was "the towniest read" and then died. If Creature was "the towniest read", why wouldn't a jailkeeper save him?

If Creature was lane's scumread, why wouldn't he roleblock him?

You're right, I'm starting to think something is murky about that jailkeeper claim. But then again, lane hadn't looked scummy to me so far. I don't know what to think of him atm.

What the actually fuck? This is littered with bullshit information. Are you out of your mind?

Why would I jailkeep a claimed power role? If they're a power role I fuck that up. If they're scum they're asking for people to check them or jailkeep them. I didn't think he would be the one to do the kill even if he was scum.

You say I scumread him for being alive. No. I scumread him mostly because I thought klingon hid behind him

You say why wouldn't I jailkeep him if he was the towniest read, and also ask why I wouldn't jailkeep him if he was my scumread. What the fuck? You're literally using the exact opposite reasons to throw shade on me for the same thing. Why because you would've jailkept a claimed power role does that mean I think I should? How what you would do matter at all? But you say my scumread was because of being alive, which happened today. So much fucking wrong with that. He wasn't my towniest read, he was klingons, why would I base my jailkeep off that?

That whole post is just fucked with a shit storm of bull crap that couldn't be further from reality

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:56 am

I love mini just setting me up for lynch with false information. You can see my thought process in twilight yesterday... How does that not compute that I was suspecting klingon therefore jailkept her

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:57 am

In post 1175, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1171, MiniDeathStar wrote:Omg. I just found Fire Assassin's alt.
Thank you. I was having a bit of trouble with that. Despite the Grandma reference, it doesn't sound like Titus.

In post 1176, Klingoncelt wrote:So. It is done.

I'll ISO Alban, and with any luck I'll have time to ISO the other three on my Scumlist.

See you guys on Day 2.

In post 1177, lane0168 wrote:Are they all on your scumlist regardless of gammas flip? Or do you already know what the flip will be?

How does it not add up for you people that I jailkept klingon. Use your brains

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:41 pm

In post 1685, MiniDeathStar wrote:Calm down lane. I wasn't setting you up for a lynch. Stop OMGUSing me. I was just trying to follow your logic and had some problems with it.

Btw could you show me where Klingon thought Creature was town? I don't think I ever saw that.

Are they all on your scumlist regardless of gammas flip? Or do you already know what the flip will be?
You know this. I literally spent a whole page arguing with Klingon about her unchanging reads based on page 1 votes. I even based her personality quote on it. Like, this wasn't even new information to you. Her scumlist was static. Always was. If that was your reason for jailing her then idk what to tell you.

Who said that was my reason for jailing her? You're talking about two different things. Start reading what I'm saying. There is a huge difference between reads not changing during day 1 with no flips, and already knowing your reads won't change based on flips. Stop comparing the two

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:42 pm

In post 990, Klingoncelt wrote:I'll compromise on a Spade vote.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

But I'm not voting for Creature today. His play looks fairly normal (for him) so far.

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:43 pm

3rd to last post of hers. Did you even look?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:45 pm

How is that still relevant anyways?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:46 pm

When did I omgus you?

lane0168 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:56 pm

Nothing implied you setting me up for a lynch? Lol ok. I said you could be scum a few pages ago.

lane0168 · Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:32 pm

Alright, so where we at for night actions to confirm as many town as we can?

lane0168 · Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:35 pm

I really think we should be lynching in the VT pool. Although mini brings up good points on bang. Makes it look like he thought of claiming vig after those posts... At the same time there's the post tiger quoted, so I'm torn. I think we lynch a VT.

Here's the plan, I won't jk. Creature shoots mafia, bang shoots sk, sk shoots mafia. I think that's the easiest and successful plan for town win

lane0168 · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:52 am

In post 2238, Creature wrote:Also lane0168 deciding to jail MDS over one of the VTs -_-

Not as bad as creature targeting obvious town jk lane