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Post Post #45 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:23 am

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i'm here. i'm hungover. as much as haphazard setup spec entertains me it's worth noting this is a predesigned setup.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:28 am

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i will try not to lurk as hard as i typically do day one!!
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Post Post #47 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:29 am

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In post 28, Elements wrote:
In post 24, PenguinPower wrote: pls no wallpost
town
scum

VOTE: elements
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Post Post #49 (isolation #3) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:39 am

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In post 45, Skygazer wrote: i'm here. i'm hungover. as much as haphazard setup spec entertains me it's worth noting this is a predesigned setup.
oh also this page contains everything that can occur in a normal game setup: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

posting it because i wanna be able to gently roast incorrect setup spec without feeling guilty
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Post Post #50 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:40 am

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In post 48, Deltabreedy wrote:
In post 45, Skygazer wrote: i'm here. i'm hungover. as much as haphazard setup spec entertains me it's worth noting this is a predesigned setup.
I'm also in pain/hungover (Airsoft weekend)

VOTE: Sky

Be gentle
haphazard was the gentlest word i could come up with actually
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Post Post #52 (isolation #5) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:45 am

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i think im chucking iamveryhappy in the town bin, voting a mod feels like a town trait to me from a player that joined in april
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Post Post #55 (isolation #6) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:05 am

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In post 53, OopsieDaisy wrote: I guess I can see the world where like, if you're a new player picking targets to vote a mod would be the most intimidating vote in an isolated world.
yee. i see newer scum as "risk averse" and voting PP feels like something newer scum might see as a risk
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Post Post #67 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:40 pm

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there's probably at least one vanilla townie
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Post Post #68 (isolation #8) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:41 pm

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In post 62, Elements wrote: Parachute
SLEEPER AGENT ACTIVATED
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Post Post #118 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:53 am

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elements isnt doing a ton to make me not wanna vote them which ironically makes me not wanna vote them as much

might be shooting myself in the foot but iavh seems like one of those town players that just makes everyone want to vote them. i do wish they focused more on sorting players.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:54 am

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sideeyeing PP because it felt like they were just throwing easy shade at iavh but they havent voted there. PP, are you scumreading iavh or just trying to push them to be more productive?
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Post Post #157 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:48 am

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i don't think they're annoying :c
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Post Post #159 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:52 am

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hip fire weak reads:

kkfc / iavh
random nurse / oopsie
kitty
Elements / PP
Delta

VOTE: Delta
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Post Post #163 (isolation #13) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:17 am

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In post 162, Random Nurse wrote: Why Delta?
feels like a scum post. also looks kinda LAMIST. At the moment I'm perceiving IAVH as an "easy target" so I don't like Delta's vote there. And Delta's getting back from V/LA today so I thought it'd be a good time to drop some pressure :)
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Post Post #167 (isolation #14) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:45 am

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In post 164, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 163, Skygazer wrote:
In post 162, Random Nurse wrote: Why Delta?
feels like a scum post. also looks kinda LAMIST. At the moment I'm perceiving IAVH as an "easy target" so I don't like Delta's vote there. And Delta's getting back from V/LA today so I thought it'd be a good time to drop some pressure :)
123 is a KKFC post, did you mean to quote another post there?
whoops
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Post Post #168 (isolation #15) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:47 am

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In post 166, PenguinPower wrote: hmm....skygazer could actually be scum...interesting
I'm going to adopt an egotistical persona this game.

The fact that you're considering me as scum means I must be town ;) I'm just that good!!
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Post Post #169 (isolation #16) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:50 am

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Anyways PP, I don't do reads off meta but you feel jarringly similar to that game where I hammered NM.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #17) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:50 am

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*dont do reads off meta often
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Post Post #173 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:52 am

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lol fair enough
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Post Post #174 (isolation #19) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:58 am

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i feel like IAVH is just dropping tons of "traditionally scummy behavior" and i feel like an april join date is that sweet spot where people generally know better than to drop obvious scum tells. they also havent really adjusted to pressure which reads as not-nervous.

do you think i'm wrong that if IAVH is town then scum would jump on them?
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Post Post #184 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:28 am

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who asked me about oopsie? at work and have adhd sorry
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Post Post #186 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:29 am

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In post 178, PenguinPower wrote: and like you sideeyed me and asked me a question but them seemingly did nothing with it and certainly didn't engage with me on it so that just seems like a nothing question to throw shade
your response was a meme that felt more dismissive than anything
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Post Post #187 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:31 am

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ahh whoops misread that. oopsie is giving null town vibes. kkfc seems fine to me so far. hard to tell if theyre asking about oopsie or kkfc
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Post Post #189 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:32 am

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pp looking much townier these last two pages
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Post Post #190 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:35 am

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white knighting is a fair accusation but i don't see how scum me would gain much from it bc it could easily be construed as TMI and i'm not sure if the benefits of having IAVH in my pocket would outweigh the potential TMI accusations if i were approaching this from a scum perspective.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:39 am

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In post 178, PenguinPower wrote: and like you sideeyed me and asked me a question but them seemingly did nothing with it and certainly didn't engage with me on it so that just seems like a nothing question to throw shade
i could argue that i did reengage you on the subject to be fair
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Post Post #195 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:42 am

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In post 174, Skygazer wrote: i feel like IAVH is just dropping tons of "traditionally scummy behavior" and i feel like an april join date is that sweet spot where people generally know better than to drop obvious scum tells. they also havent really adjusted to pressure which reads as not-nervous.

do you think i'm wrong that if IAVH is town then scum would jump on them?
i mean i literally brought the subject up again here
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Post Post #196 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:44 am

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i think i gotta give town points to PP for like a quick response time chat mafia read kind of thing
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Post Post #198 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:08 am

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i mean sorry for the misunderstanding but a meme that just says "both" makes me feel like you weren't interested in engaging that much but we also havent played together too much lately so
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Post Post #201 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:15 am

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In post 177, PenguinPower wrote: i mean - the answer is no, scum could jump on them as an easy push....but, early D1 wagons almost never lead to an elim so now seems like a weird time to do that.

conversely, iavh is someone that scum could come in and do exactly what you're doing now! that has a bit more benefit given my early d1 wagon comment above + buddying + attempted townpoints
i addressed the white knighting but in terms of game state: idk, i think it being early game wouldnt necessarily stop scum from trying to make easy pushes
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Post Post #203 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:21 am

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VOTE: KKFC
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Post Post #221 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:30 am

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202 prompted me to reread their iso and it wasnt as fine as i remembered
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Post Post #227 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:31 am

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as of right now i think scum is in kkfc/random nurse/IAVH/Delta
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Post Post #228 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:32 am

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In post 223, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 221, Skygazer wrote: 202 prompted me to reread their iso and it wasnt as fine as i remembered
what wasn't so fine?
will answer soon I've been grabbing lunch this whole time
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Post Post #231 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:33 am

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In post 227, Skygazer wrote: as of right now i think scum is in kkfc/random nurse/IAVH/Delta
need to reevaluate IAVH because ive been caught with my pants down defending scum before and could be easily wrong
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Post Post #234 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:37 am

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In post 223, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 221, Skygazer wrote: 202 prompted me to reread their iso and it wasnt as fine as i remembered
what wasn't so fine?
back at my desk. there's just a whole lot of non-advancing content, i think most of it is mechanical/small talk/defending themselves with only one mention of giving town points out
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Post Post #235 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:38 am

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If Elements is scum they're playing a really interesting scum game but me thinks this is just town play
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Post Post #237 (isolation #37) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:42 am

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In post 214, KatyKimFanClub wrote: I don't think he would put me at the top of a readslist if so, especially since I haven't really done anything yet this game. If anything, given what I think are your inherent suspicions of Skygazer, shouldn't you think I'm being set up?
In post 233, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Weirdly, I think Daisy and Skygazer might be the only people on this wagon to truly believe in a case against me?
These two takes feel incompatible (granted i just had a read flip flop myself but yeah)
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Post Post #240 (isolation #38) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:46 am

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In post 236, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Eh, I can see why you scumread for that, but it's very much an intentional decision.

I'm not interested in giving away my reads this early, nor do I care about advancing the game state if I think that the current one is good enough for town. If you would like me to elaborate on my philosophy, I can, but as an example, I think I get more towards solving the game if I can keep disscussion on why Daisy and iavh think a meta read on me is relevant by Page 4 than if I move on to a different topic.

I guess to clarify my position, advancing the game state is generally good, but I don't really see what giving my reads this early would really do. We have a lot of time left in the day to gather information and I don't think there's been enough time in the game for me to have a significant change in opinion on people's alignments yet.
You're also the scummiest in my PoE at the moment. Okay IAVH is the scummiest in my PoE but they still *feel* like they'll flip town. Penguin had some good real time engagement with me, Oopsie posted a quality meme, Elements is doing kinda townie stuff, uh fuck I forgot to put kitty in my PoE
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Post Post #246 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:52 am

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In post 242, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Fair, but if your worry is that I'm being fed lines by a partner, then I hope I've assuaged some of those suspicions by now?
1) what an interesting conclusion to jump to
2) so you're saying your partner is inexperienced and unhelpful? :)
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Post Post #252 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:59 am

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about to go back to the grind but generally nonchalantness is a scum tell from my experience; nsg has caught me a few times bc i didn't engage in people scum reading early me in hopes it would just go away. town usually engage more when they get scumread despite the unlikeliness of getting eliminated early
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Post Post #255 (isolation #41) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:01 am

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In post 248, KatyKimFanClub wrote:
In post 246, Skygazer wrote:
In post 242, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Fair, but if your worry is that I'm being fed lines by a partner, then I hope I've assuaged some of those suspicions by now?
1) what an interesting conclusion to jump to
2) so you're saying your partner is inexperienced and unhelpful? :)
I thought that was the implication when you said "time management" and from posts and with PP.
The real time stuff was just why I started townreading PP. I laid out why I'm scumreading you so it's interesting you're jumped to a different reason to me. idk
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Post Post #256 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:02 am

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"not engaging" might have been a poor choice of phrasing but you yourself admitted you werent taking it seriously
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Post Post #277 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:33 am

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In post 276, KatyKimFanClub wrote: make me feel a little bit dismissed?
well now i feel plagiarized
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Post Post #280 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:35 am

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new signature idea: "sorry, i wasn't thinking when i wrote this"
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Post Post #281 (isolation #45) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:37 am

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In post 279, PenguinPower wrote: yes, and i am greener so i win
enjoy it while it lasts

i still feel the sting of coming back to a normal uncolored name after site flaking
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Post Post #282 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:39 am

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at least i have my title ;-;
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Post Post #284 (isolation #47) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:46 am

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banning people was my favorite part

i mean uh everything was working correctly with the GTKAS role and i definitely was not able to do that
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Post Post #285 (isolation #48) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:47 am

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hilariously i did have the ability to post in the ban thread but only from the GTKAS forum
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Post Post #286 (isolation #49) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:49 am

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perhaps i am saying too much

anyways i'm fine w a katy yeet today as well
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Post Post #289 (isolation #50) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:03 am

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i've seen kitty get elimmed so many times D1 that i kinda wanna trust their whole "hey i put my foot in my mouth a lot so i'm gonna avoid that" thing... for now
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Post Post #295 (isolation #51) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:40 am

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i'm actually usually more timid bc i say stupid shit a lot (see signature) but i've had some "decent town moments" lately so i figure i should trust my reads before and push them harder
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Post Post #296 (isolation #52) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:40 am

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*reads more
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Post Post #310 (isolation #53) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:33 am

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In post 309, Deltabreedy wrote: I'm keen to have a clear justification from Sky on how they arrived at their narrowed-down scumpool.
uhhhhhh vibes
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Post Post #312 (isolation #54) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:39 am

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In post 310, Skygazer wrote:
In post 309, Deltabreedy wrote: I'm keen to have a clear justification from Sky on how they arrived at their narrowed-down scumpool.
uhhhhhh vibes
follow up: im pretty sure i posted that reads list in line at a sandwich shop, so maybe the horseradish provided me with some fleeting enlightenment
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Post Post #314 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:54 am

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You don't have to place faith in my vibes, that's the beauty of free thought
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Post Post #315 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:56 am

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I feel like I'm being a little obtuse so I'll just say that I'm transparent with my reads when I want to be and sometimes I just like stirring stuff up a bit.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:01 am

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yes it is
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Post Post #318 (isolation #58) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:03 am

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i do have some amount of confidence in kkfc flipping red for reasons i've outlined, otherwise i would have probably unvoted when i realized they were at e-1.

PP and Elements are probably my most confident town reads at the moment, and Elements is probably more out of scumrange than PP is.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #59) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:18 am

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PP is kind of a chat mafia read; they responded very naturally in real time. I also find myself agreeing with their takes a lot. I've noticed that sometimes scum stop pushing me when they realize I'm hard to push so PP dropping their scumread gave me a lil pause, but I can see how they arrived at their read flip based on my posting. They also announced the read flip whereas I feel like scum usually silently stop pushing to keep their options open.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #60) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:24 am

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Delta looking townier
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Post Post #348 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:46 am

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In post 346, Elements wrote:
In post 345, KatyKimFanClub wrote: VOTE: Elements

If the idea was to provoke a reaction or a defense, then you should probably have considered the fact that there was already significant pressure on me. Seems like a lazy attempt to get on a wagon with the fallback defense of "reaction farming". Especially after you admit you don't have any reads.
I was never going to hammer you. And there are reactions to look at. E.g. the unvoting from you was quite slow and no one was rushing to your defence.
Daisy unvoted which I expected, and then re-voted you.
PP was the first to unvote you, mid conversation. But again, that was very just "I want to finish this chat" and nothing to do with your slot. (Although with my knowledge of PP I wouldn't put it past him to position himself to be able to do that)
So from the reactions to my "intent to hammer" I don't think that your scum partner was either active, or on your wagon around that time. Which is the majority of the player base. Making me think you're probably just town with an easily scumread play style, as you've been saying. Which is something I can empathize with as someone who used to get regularly voted out day two due to play style
Plenty of room for a partner in all of that; KKFC's theoretical partner could have just been frozen, bussing, not wanting to be obviously counterwagoning, simply absent, etc. I don't really agree with your gamestate analysis essentially, although I agree KKFC could easily just be scummy looking town. Generally scum don't defend scum that often anyways imo, especially at the point where KKFC was at. With the position KKFC was in me thinks scum would wanna keep their distance which would match the reactions you described.
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Post Post #351 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:53 am

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that is quite literally the point of why i'm saying that, yes
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Post Post #353 (isolation #63) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:02 am

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how is me disagreeing with a gamestate analysis meaningless???
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Post Post #355 (isolation #64) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:04 am

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because believe it or not, scum don't always jump to their buddies defense immediately and i think writing off katy because no one defended them is a bad/dangerous take
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Post Post #357 (isolation #65) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:22 am

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my last scum micro my buddy and i were at each others throats very early on

saw scum bus each other D1 in garlic bread heist (a micro)

played a lovers micro game not too long ago where enchant bussed the shit out of their partner D1

three examples off the top of my head; scum love bussing even if its not optimal
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Post Post #359 (isolation #66) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:24 am

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in one of those, yes, but has kkfc been voted to exile here?
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Post Post #361 (isolation #67) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:28 am

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preflip partners reads aren't a road i go down very often but i could see you (intent couldve been an attempt to scare people off), random nurse (seemed frozen and didnt chime in other than to make a comment about things heating up), kitty (kinda absent), PP (could've jumped ship and rejoined to get that distancing cred)... i'm gonna stop bc this isn't productive but do you see my point?
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Post Post #363 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:35 am

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ye PP unvoted kkfc and revoted. granted his stated reasoning was to not end the day and it seemed like he would hop on anyways but ye
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Post Post #366 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:36 am

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i think e-2 right now
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Post Post #367 (isolation #70) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:37 am

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ah oopsie wound up on kitty
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Post Post #410 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:43 am

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finding myself second guessing kkfc but i need to reevaluate my reads soon anyways
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Post Post #411 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:44 am

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In post 369, OopsieDaisy wrote: I will say El is now reading a bit different to me after revealing that the intent to hammer post had an agenda. As I've said before my read on Elements is based on whether their posts have a deep running agenda (scummy) or are mostly surface level and a bit trolly (townie). Revealing that the intent to hammer post had strong thought behind it surprises me a bit, tho I've been wrong here plenty of times before.
mind meld with this, thought they were shitposting
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Post Post #422 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:08 pm

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^ yeah

oopsie is town

i feel like a lot of players are hard to sort here and i feel a lil frozen. i wanna see more from kitty iavh and rn right now. i could probably go for iavh at this point, it seems like thatll happen at some point anyways and their recent posting isn't gr8, getting doubts on my initial town read

very tired sighs
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Post Post #423 (isolation #74) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:16 pm

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idk i'm struggling with the thought of "why would iavh be posting like this" as scum. but why would they be posting like this as town either. its such a tossup!!
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Post Post #424 (isolation #75) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:21 pm

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In post 379, Deltabreedy wrote: I find it so hard to sort Happy when they're this committed to playing the troll.
In post 381, Deltabreedy wrote: Yeah all your posts have a clear purpose, like #308, #325, #327 and #330 where you posted no game-advancing content, actively lurking and avoiding picking up a prod.

That was pretty clear but for the rest of it I have the impression you've done absolutely nothing. Can you legitimately counter that viewpoint? Keen to see it.
In post 382, Deltabreedy wrote: #377 is a smidge of game-advancing content, but even then I doubt you've actually been reaction testing RN.
hmmmm delta can be town?
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Post Post #425 (isolation #76) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:33 pm

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bed time stoned read list:

oopsie
penguin / delta
elements
(this space intentionally left blank)
iamveryhappy / kittytacky / random nurse / katykimfanclub
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Post Post #426 (isolation #77) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:37 pm

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i think its mostly a matter of the top four have given me reasons to townread them and the bottom players haven't. hmm maybe iavh can have their own tier perhaps.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #78) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:00 am

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In post 430, Deltabreedy wrote: 1- Scum are aware enough to keep Happy around as limbait for D2. They think another wagon can be pushed to completion (IE: KKFC). In this scenario, I would say that KKFC earns a townread from me.
2 - (My Preferred Solve on this) That Happy is scum, able to act irreverently and be townread for doing a whole load of not much and have their vote parked on a popular wagon. Their vote is on KKFC.

I'm content with removing KKFC from my lim pool for today based on this, as I think that either way, the associatives paint KKFC as town not scum. There's flaws with this logic, but I do think this is where my vote is going to stay for some time.
iavh could be a town wagon competing with kkfc scum wagon. i think these associative reads are kind of bleh, i see where you're coming from but it's also a big reach to clear someone based on it

it does seem like it'll come down to kkfc and iavh today, i think both flips would generate info. ignoring associatives and just going off of behavior, i think kkfc's posting looks like it has a self-serving agenda behind it compared to iavh who is just being difficult on purpose despite the wagon on them. me thinks it makes it more likely that kkfc will flip scum than iavh
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Post Post #447 (isolation #79) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:03 am

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i shall make an unofficial vote count i suppose
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Post Post #448 (isolation #80) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:06 am

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KatyKimFanClub (2) - Skygazer, PenguinPower
iamveryhappy (2) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub
Deltabreedy (2) - Elements, iamveryhappy
Random Nurse (1) - KittyTacky
KittyTacky (1) - Random Nurse

Not Voting (1) - OopsieDaisy
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Post Post #449 (isolation #81) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:11 am

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i think kkfc is the way to go. iavh softing is unideal but i've seen many an overexcited townie drop unnecessary hints about their role so i don't think it really changes my read on them either way. i think i spotted their soft and so did oopsie so i wouldn't be opposed to them full claiming at this point since scum can probably easily scope it out too.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:19 am

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okay hold on i thought about it and i definitely think iavh should full claim at this point and here is why:

1) if theyre town they might be night killed anyways
2) if theyre scum we lock them into a claim early
3) someone might counterclaim and we have one caught scum right off the bat
4) if oopsie and i have spotted the potential soft then scum can probably find it too
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Post Post #455 (isolation #83) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:33 am

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wishing Random Nurse was around more considering deadline is less than 48 hours away
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Post Post #456 (isolation #84) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:34 am

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In post 454, OopsieDaisy wrote: I wouldn't agree to this logic tho if IAVH didn't draw so much attention to the claim in the first place but wcyd
i mean ya :dead:
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Post Post #458 (isolation #85) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:34 am

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backup doctor
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Post Post #462 (isolation #86) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:36 am

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i mean the soft i saw could easily have just been a play on words too. that's why i want them to clarify
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Post Post #464 (isolation #87) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:38 am

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what are you getting read-wise out of this guessing game? just out it my dude
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Post Post #467 (isolation #88) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:41 am

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bruh
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Post Post #469 (isolation #89) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:46 am

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me neither but despite everything i still think kkfc is more likely to flip red :dead:
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Post Post #471 (isolation #90) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:52 am

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i mean, the latter, especially if the former has a possibility of flipping pr gah

i understand that iavh is rather young so i've tried to have more patience but i will say to him:

this is a team game and if you're going to be trolling and unhelpful then people will start to dislike you and not want to play with you and you'll get voted out again and again and where's the fun in that? please make a good-faith attempt to actually play like you're on a team or i'll start to assume you're just not acting in good faith or are scum. if you're town, you're actively harming your chances and the rest of our chances of winning.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #91) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:53 am

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christ
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Post Post #490 (isolation #92) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:16 am

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"go ahead and try to guess my role"
*people try to guess their soft*
"the people that did what i told them to do must be scum"
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Post Post #498 (isolation #93) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:20 am

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hey i was gonna do that
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Post Post #524 (isolation #94) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:52 am

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so uhhh kkfc tomorrow?

if i die, oopsie is my strongest townread
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Post Post #530 (isolation #95) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:20 am

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i think my last reads list still holds true
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Post Post #532 (isolation #96) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:28 am

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ye
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Post Post #534 (isolation #97) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:34 am

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kkfc can probably go a tier lower, RN and kitty are probably around the same. i lack confidence at this point
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Post Post #535 (isolation #98) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:37 am

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to expand, kkfc feels kinda self-servey with their posting, kitty feels like theyre playing it too cautiously but ive seen them get miselimmed many times so i can kinda see why, and i need more from RN.

oopsie, PP and delta ive mindmelded with at some points and oopsie has been blatantly pro town, elements doesnt feel like they have an agenda but theyre my least confident town read
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Post Post #536 (isolation #99) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:40 am

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rh is australian so it might be a bit, anyone know any good jokes?
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Post Post #565 (isolation #100) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:44 am

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I was trolling; we were actually in elo and the game is over now
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Post Post #572 (isolation #101) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:12 am

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the worst pizza ive ever had was something my work catered; it was squash, broccoli and red onion, no tomato sauce, only cheddar cheese, and the dough was both under and overcooked with random pockets of extreme sugar
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Post Post #581 (isolation #102) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:41 pm

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Post Post #583 (isolation #103) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:05 pm

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do you have any parting reads
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Post Post #584 (isolation #104) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:06 pm

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i would still play with you again, for the record!!!
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Post Post #587 (isolation #105) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:11 pm

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:shifty:
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Post Post #588 (isolation #106) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:19 pm

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iavh: if you're town, i guess i would say to focus less on mechanical stuff and fancy reaction tests and more on trying to discern intent and motivations, and as the game progresses, associations. it can be hard! i used to play it looser and more shitposty but i play better when i attempt to deeply think more frequently. scumhunting gets easier the more you do it.

another piece of advice that's good for either alignments: if most players are pushing you to approach the game in a certain way, it'll probably be good for your standing in readslists to adjust to that.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #107) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:27 pm

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i wouldve forgotten by then
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Post Post #593 (isolation #108) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:33 pm

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In post 591, PenguinPower wrote: if only we had devices with which to input information that could be saved and revisited at later dates

if only...
i don't own any electronics, i play mafia by sending carrier pigeons with casette tapes to a transcription service that posts on my behalf

i'm spending millions on birds. i'm in massive debt.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #109) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:11 am

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i hope that was paraphrased oopsie :dead:
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Post Post #611 (isolation #110) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:14 am

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I could see PP as scum if KKFC is town.

Need to see more from kittytacky and random nurse today
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Post Post #612 (isolation #111) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:15 am

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ya might wanna read the ruleset then :c
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Post Post #614 (isolation #112) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:24 am

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learning experience i suppose!
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Post Post #615 (isolation #113) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:24 am

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PP killing the one person most sus of him would be pretty on the nose but idk
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Post Post #621 (isolation #114) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:42 am

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In post 549, KatyKimFanClub wrote: I think I like Skygazer's slot a little less than I did yesterday. For some reason his initial reaction to iavh soft and then move to 451 doesn't seem like the most realistic town thought process. I don't think 3) in that post is ever happening unless I'm the one counterclaiming as scum. Also, if iavh softs as PR without hardclaiming, then scum, as the team with more information, is just at such a huge advantage in N1 imo. Maybe I'm thinking about Newbie games where the setup is basically confirmed within a few small configurations though. I don't really think anything bad of them setting up a flip on me tomorrow after this. That's consistent with the rest of their gameplay.
I mostly just thought a backup doctor felt out of place in a micro and wanted to see if that's what they were going to claim or not. The way they claimed seemed very survivalistic/ungeniune (lol) as well so I wanted them to be less wishy washy with it because if they were a PR they probably had a strong chance of being nightkilled regardless.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #115) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:53 am

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kkfc could you expand on your twilight reads list? are you still scumreading oopsie? why is elements townier than kitty in your eyes?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #116) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:55 am

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i wanna vote in kitty/kkfc/random nurse today but that set feels way too easy lol

sometimes i wish i was capable of thought
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Post Post #636 (isolation #117) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:38 am

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In post 449, Skygazer wrote: i think kkfc is the way to go. iavh softing is unideal but i've seen many an overexcited townie drop unnecessary hints about their role so i don't think it really changes my read on them either way. i think i spotted their soft and so did oopsie so i wouldn't be opposed to them full claiming at this point since scum can probably easily scope it out too.
1) was trying to goad them into feeling safe outting here; if they had claimed backup doc i'd probably instavote them
2) i still thought you were more likely of the two to flip scum as ive stated numerous times
3) i was literally gonna put them to e1 when they retracted and then stepped away to do something and they got hammered
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Post Post #658 (isolation #118) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:10 pm

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pp is probably just town tbh
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Post Post #663 (isolation #119) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:19 pm

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In post 659, KatyKimFanClub wrote: In the interest of being a little more decisive, I'm going to make a few assumptions to help me try to solve the game from there. This isn't really something I've tried before but in a smaller game it might be helpful?

Assumptions:
1) There was at least one scum on my wagon.
2) There was at least one scum on IAVH wagon.
3) Between the two wagons, it was more likely for scum to be on my wagon since it was earlier and the IAVH wagon seemed more likely to happen (maybe circular logic but still)
4) The scumteam was not on both wagons.

People on my wagon: Daisy, iavh, Skygazer, PP
People on IAVH wagon: Delta, KKFC, Elements, PP, Daisy

I think I can throw out a Daisy/PP team, but I might be suspect of one of them individually.
Does a Skygazer/Elements team make sense so far? Going to think about that overnight.
unless scum was just kitty and random nurse absently bussing each other all of day one while town did town things
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Post Post #673 (isolation #120) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:13 pm

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VOTE: kitty
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Post Post #674 (isolation #121) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:14 pm

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if i have time on my lunch i might do a votecount for every other page or so
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Post Post #675 (isolation #122) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:15 pm

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(tomorrow)

kkfc is looking slightly better to me vibe wise idk
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Post Post #677 (isolation #123) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:19 pm

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dont wanna put rn to e1 and i wanna reevaluate kkfc when im less tired
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Post Post #678 (isolation #124) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:20 pm

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how r u reading kkfc at the moment
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Post Post #680 (isolation #125) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:24 pm

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i would like to see you expand on the oopsie read and kkfc read if at all possible
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Post Post #681 (isolation #126) » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:48 pm

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VOTE: kkfc

reconsidered
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Post Post #705 (isolation #127) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:48 am

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In post 697, OopsieDaisy wrote: Second thing, I've talked about this in Day 1 but my goal when reading Elements is to figure out how much agenda is behind their posting. If you're not seeing much rhyme or reason, chances are it's just town!elements doing things to poke/pressure/see how others react. If you're seeing El's votes/comments manipulating the gamestate, then it's scum!elements controlling the game.
question: do u think elements would adjust to this as scum knowing u know this?
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Post Post #711 (isolation #128) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:06 am

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In post 708, OopsieDaisy wrote: If a scum!el is forced to avoid taking actions that actively manipulate the gamestate to their advantage and has to hide under the guise of playing their town game, that's good imo.

In terms of if they're capable of it, they definitely are I've been fooled before, but I've also learned that letting myself sit in paranoia about the slot for days on end isn't gonna help me solve it. Usually I listen to what my head is saying and right now it's either partnered with KKFC as scum or just town. There's the 20% chance I'm wrong here and El's adjusted well to my reads this game, but I don't want to let that worry dominate my thoughts here.
Gotcha. I guess my concern was you just writing them off as potential scum too easily, felt like it could be coming from a place of buddying or tmi. But this makes sense.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #129) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:08 am

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I humbly request that I have some warning before any hammers, by the way. Or at least hammer when RH is likely sleeping. Thanks
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Post Post #713 (isolation #130) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:12 am

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i should actually read RN's posts soon i suppose
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Post Post #715 (isolation #131) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:18 am

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too much information; basically the idea that scum knows everyones alignments and will be more likely to give out unearned townreads since they dont have to actually solve
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Post Post #717 (isolation #132) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:57 am

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In post 690, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 687, Elements wrote:
In post 686, OopsieDaisy wrote: UNVOTE: Random Nurse
Is this because of the wall post?
Yep. I voted him to pressure content out, we now have some solvy content from the slot, no need for my vote to stay.
so you're townreading their content? what about it do you like? feels like you kinda gave up that vote on RN too easily.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #133) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:03 am

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In post 684, Random Nurse wrote: Skygazer did mention IAVH being perceived as an easy target, and stated he didn't like DB's vote there. Going out on a limb here I could see this as Scum positioning themselves to look Town by being "apprehensive" about joining in on a wagon on an easy target.
In post 693, Random Nurse wrote: To be frank I *do* Townread the notion of IAVH being an easy lim target, and I personally have a difficult time seeing IAVH acting the way he did as Scum, because Scum are trying to preserve themselves and he was basically running into volcano with his behavior.
last quote is talking about kitty for context. these takes seem contradictory and I'd like you to elaborate. is there anything about the way i went about iavh that seems different to the way kitty did in your mind? bc as of right now it seems like you're just trying to conjure justification rather than actually solving, considering you're offering two different takes for the same thought processes
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Post Post #725 (isolation #134) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am

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Spoiler: votecounts
Page 2
Elements
(2) - OopsieDaisy, Elements
KittyTacky
(2) - Random Nurse, PenguinPower
PenguinPower
(1) - iamveryhappy
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting
(3) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, Skygazer

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Elements
(3) - OopsieDaisy, Elements, Skygazer
KittyTacky
(2) - Random Nurse, PenguinPower
PenguinPower
(1) - iamveryhappy
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky
Skygazer
(1) - Deltabreedy

Not Voting
(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KittyTacky
(2) - Random Nurse, PenguinPower
iamveryhappy
(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements
KatyKimFanClub
(2) - OopsieDaisy, iamveryhappy
Elements
(1) - Skygazer
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting
(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - OopsieDaisy, iamveryhappy, PenguinPower
iamveryhappy
(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements
KittyTacky
(1) - Random Nurse
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky
Deltabreedy
(1) - Skygazer

Not Voting
(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - OopsieDaisy, iamveryhappy, Skygazer
iamveryhappy
(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements
KittyTacky
(1) - Random Nurse
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting
(2) - KatyKimFanClub, PenguinPower

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KatyKimFanClub
(2) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer
iamveryhappy
(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements
KittyTacky
(2) - Random Nurse, OopsieDaisy
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting
(2) - KatyKimFanClub, PenguinPower

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer, PenguinPower
KittyTacky
(2) - Random Nurse, OopsieDaisy
Random Nurse
(2) - KittyTacky, Elements

Not Voting
(2) - KatyKimFanClub, Deltabreedy

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer, PenguinPower
Random Nurse
(2) - KittyTacky, OopsieDaisy
KittyTacky
(1) - Random Nurse
Deltabreedy
(1) - Elements

Not Voting
(2) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer, PenguinPower
iamveryhappy
(3) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, OopsieDaisy
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky
KittyTacky
(1) - Random Nurse
Deltabreedy
(1) - Elements

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iamveryhappy
(3) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, Elements
KatyKimFanClub
(2) - Skygazer, PenguinPower
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky
KittyTacky
(1) - Random Nurse
OopsieDaisy
(1) - iamveryhappy

Not Voting
(1) - OopsieDaisy

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iamveryhappy
(5) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, Elements, PenguinPower, OopsieDaisy
KatyKimFanClub
(1) - Skygazer
Random Nurse
(1) - KittyTacky
KittyTacky
(1) - Random Nurse
OopsieDaisy
(1) - iamveryhappy


page number is referring to what the votecount would be if it were posted to the top of that page.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #135) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:18 am

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i'll sheep ya

VOTE: random nurse
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Post Post #729 (isolation #136) » Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:36 am

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i dont have a lot to say/that i want to say at the moment. if i'm seeing things clearly this could be easy to solve but aaaaaaa
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Post Post #738 (isolation #137) » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:45 am

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i'm quitting cigarettes today so i'll try not to be a jerk and if y'all cut me a lil slack for the brain fog that would be well appreciated
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Post Post #739 (isolation #138) » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:45 am

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In post 738, Skygazer wrote: cut me a lil slack for the brain fog
that's right, she can become stupider
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Post Post #748 (isolation #139) » Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:00 am

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might be time to examine potential pairings. my scum pool right now is something like random nurse, katykimfanclub, oopsiedaisy, elements. i trust penguin and i trust penguin's read on kittytacky for some reason. oopsie probably the towniest of the remaining four.

random nurse / katykimfanclub
random nurse / oopsiedaisy
random nurse / elements
katykimfanclub / oopsiedaisy
katykimfanclub / elements
oopsiedaisy / elements

do any of these scream "lol no" to anyone?
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Post Post #802 (isolation #140) » Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:19 am

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can someone spam quote me if there's a hammer btw. i might have a twilight post i wanna make, still mulling it over
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Post Post #814 (isolation #141) » Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:31 pm

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on day three of quitting smoking; my head will be clearer before deadline but i'll still try to do some solving if i can
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Post Post #817 (isolation #142) » Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 am

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I've been bit before townreading scum for similar reasoning and a lot of what I felt about IAVH was instinctual. Didn't feel strongly enough and at a certain point I realized IAVH would be elimmed regardless anyways. There was a survivalistic aspect to it in that I realized it'd look really bad on me if IAVH did flip scum. Wish I had stuck to my guns but hey, hindsight.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #143) » Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:12 am

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i think kkfc is townier now fwiw
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Post Post #841 (isolation #144) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:22 am

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oh yeah something i couldnt mention but i can now: kkfc not voting anyone until pressured on D1 is NAI, they did that in my newbie as town
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Post Post #842 (isolation #145) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:36 am

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i have a busy day and i dont trust myself to twilight post in time before the thread lock if there's a hammer so i'll make my post now. there are a couple of different reasons i think it's good for me to soft claim now, but i don't wanna show my whole hand yet per se.

I am some sort of protective role
. There's some sort of gated-ness to my role that I don't want to claim yet (modifier such as 1-shot, simple, loyal, etc, or a protective role weaker than doctor... or both?). The gatedness is why I was skeptical of the potential backup doc crumb I thought I saw from IAVH. I'll throw out what I'll be doing tonight depending on what I am... just to give scum something to worry about.

- If I'm a babysitter, I will be aiming to take out scum.
- If I'm a jailkeeper, I will aim to block scum if there's one scum left, and aim to protect someone I think is almost definitely a VT if there's two scum left
- If I'm a rolestopper, I'll be protecting someone I think is almost definitely a town PR
- If I'm a simple doctor, I'll be protecting someone I think is almost definitely a VT

i would appreciate it if we didn't really discuss this further too much until tomorrow; i wanted this to be a last second twilight post to throw some wifom scum's way.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #146) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:49 am

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kitty / penguinpower
elements
oopsie / katykimfanclub
random nurse

is kind of where i'm at right now
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Post Post #844 (isolation #147) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:50 am

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idk elements/oopsie/kkfc probably exist on the same tier maybe unfortunately. i'm stuck reads-wise
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Post Post #856 (isolation #148) » Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:44 am

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i mean i could go daisy. based on wagonomics i think random nurse is more likely to be a red flip
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Post Post #871 (isolation #149) » Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:59 am

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In post 862, PenguinPower wrote: sure would be nice to have an official vote count with 12 hours remaining....
RN is at E1
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Post Post #873 (isolation #150) » Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:01 am

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i would say i'll do more votecounts to cover d2 but might not be up to it tonight :c
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Post Post #892 (isolation #151) » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:51 pm

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simple bodyguard, targeted kitty. that was mostly an attempt to not get PP killed despite the fact i had no power to do so. also wanted to throw my claim out there so PP didn't waste his investigation on me (saw the ice cream result crumb on kitty)
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Post Post #893 (isolation #152) » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:51 pm

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night one targeted oopsie
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Post Post #894 (isolation #153) » Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:52 pm

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In post 524, Skygazer wrote: if i die, oopsie is my strongest townread
crumbed my night one target here
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Post Post #897 (isolation #154) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:40 am

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i want kkfc today but lemme put some thought into this
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Post Post #899 (isolation #155) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:42 am

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oopsie / elements would be such a meme team tho
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Post Post #900 (isolation #156) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:43 am

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In post 898, Elements wrote:
In post 897, Skygazer wrote: i want kkfc today but lemme put some thought into this
Why kkfc over Daisy?
wanted him D1 and i feel like after yesterday that read holds truer with how he jumped on RN
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Post Post #901 (isolation #157) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:50 am

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kkfc also started role fishing for an investigative result as soon as PP crumbed
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Post Post #903 (isolation #158) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:53 am

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In post 667, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Not gonna lie, I'm feeling a little stalled in this game. This is really selfish but I really wish we had something investigative from last night to go off.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #159) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:54 am

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that happened on the same page penguin dropped the word "vanilla." feel like a town reaction to spotting the crumb would be to just be vague about it
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Post Post #907 (isolation #160) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:56 am

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iavh also was a competing wagon to kkfc iirc
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Post Post #908 (isolation #161) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:56 am

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In post 905, Elements wrote: Was Katy also saying penguin was being manipulative with asking people to vote or was that just RN?
idk i need to reread at work, going off of memory
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Post Post #909 (isolation #162) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:58 am

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right now based on elements posting i wanna say kkfc/oopsie but i'll do some pondering on it
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Post Post #911 (isolation #163) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:00 am

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In post 906, Elements wrote:
In post 904, Skygazer wrote: that happened on the same page penguin dropped the word "vanilla." feel like a town reaction to spotting the crumb would be to just be vague about it
Or just ignore it entirely
unfortunately i feel like it got to a point where everyone had hinted at seeing the crumb which is why i made my softclaim post
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Post Post #912 (isolation #164) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:02 am

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it goes without saying that kitty is clear though. walking to work be back later
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Post Post #917 (isolation #165) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:31 am

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In post 915, KatyKimFanClub wrote: If the logic is that I saw the crumb why would I role fish?
to get confirmation? idk that is a fair point
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Post Post #918 (isolation #166) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:33 am

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if you're town then it has to be elements/oopsie fmpov which would be an interesting pairing based on their associatives throughout this game
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Post Post #919 (isolation #167) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:33 am

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elements, could you talk more about what led you to scumreading oopsie yesterday?
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Post Post #921 (isolation #168) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:34 am

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PP dying makes me think scum has a roleblocker unless they simply saw right through my bluff
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Post Post #922 (isolation #169) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:35 am

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In post 920, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Why can't Kitty be a Goon?
neap invest is "vanilla townie / not vanilla townie" so a goon would be "not vanilla townie"
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Post Post #924 (isolation #170) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:39 am

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In post 919, Skygazer wrote: elements, could you talk more about what led you to scumreading oopsie yesterday?
scratch that i found your post about it
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Post Post #927 (isolation #171) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:43 am

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in that hypothetical kkfc was town
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Post Post #942 (isolation #172) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:45 am

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if we're being realistic, if i had the ability to protect PP then this game would be completely broken due to follow the cop strats. i was hoping scum wouldn't think too hard about setup spec and just panic kill me. day one crumb hints at me being a bodyguard with the line "if i die."

if i were scum i don't think i'd have any motivation to fakeclaim a protective role considering there was no way i was being eliminated yesterday anyways
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Post Post #943 (isolation #173) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:46 am

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not to mention the risk of being counterclaimed if i were fakeclaiming as scum there
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Post Post #945 (isolation #174) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:48 am

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fyi i will be bodyguarding kitty tonight unless kitty explicitly asks me not to for whatever reason
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Post Post #946 (isolation #175) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am

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delta kill saves scum-kkfc a headache
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Post Post #947 (isolation #176) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:05 am

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(based on deltas reads)
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Post Post #948 (isolation #177) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:09 am

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In post 225, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 206, Elements wrote: Intent to hammer
UNVOTE: KKFC

As much as KKFC is my strongest scum read right now, I like seeing how a day develops and it wouldn't surprise me if El actually hammered.

P-edit: Ohh someone else unvoted for me, I'm fine staying on the wagon now.

VOTE: KKFC
In post 288, OopsieDaisy wrote: Don't have the time to properly read through everything right now, but looks like the KKFC push has now given us some proper content to work with. I'm happy with what it's achieved and for now since I'm gonna be afk for a bit, gonna UNVOTE: KKFC and park my vote on VOTE: Kitty.

I want to wait until I have had the time to properly read the Skygazer/PP/KKFC interactions before I commit to the KKFC wagon again.
this feels like it could be an aborted bus due to kkfc catching too much heat
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Post Post #949 (isolation #178) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:18 am

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i feel like half of the words in oopsie's iso are dedicated to KKFC
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Post Post #951 (isolation #179) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:18 am

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In post 940, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 938, Elements wrote: So you townread sky
From my POV you're not scum with Sky because the intent to hammer post would then make no sense
could you elaborate on this because i don't see the connection
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Post Post #953 (isolation #180) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:07 am

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Spoiler: day one VCs with color
Page 2
Elements
(2) - OopsieDaisy, Elements
kittytacky
(2) -
random nurse
,
penguinpower

penguinpower
(1) -
iamveryhappy

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky


Not Voting
(3) -
deltabreedy
, KatyKimFanClub,
skygazer


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Page 4
Elements
(3) - OopsieDaisy, Elements,
skygazer

kittytacky
(2) -
random nurse
,
penguinpower

penguinpower
(1) -
iamveryhappy

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky

skygazer
(1) -
deltabreedy


Not Voting
(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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kittytacky
(2) -
random nurse
,
penguinpower

iamveryhappy
(2) -
deltabreedy
, Elements
KatyKimFanClub
(2) - OopsieDaisy,
iamveryhappy

Elements
(1) -
skygazer

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky


Not Voting
(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - OopsieDaisy,
iamveryhappy
,
penguinpower

iamveryhappy
(2) -
deltabreedy
, Elements
kittytacky
(1) -
random nurse

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky

deltabreedy
(1) -
skygazer


Not Voting
(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) - OopsieDaisy,
iamveryhappy
,
skygazer

iamveryhappy
(2) -
deltabreedy
, Elements
kittytacky
(1) -
random nurse

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky


Not Voting
(2) - KatyKimFanClub,
penguinpower


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KatyKimFanClub
(2) -
iamveryhappy
,
skygazer

iamveryhappy
(2) -
deltabreedy
, Elements
kittytacky
(2) -
random nurse
, OopsieDaisy
random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky


Not Voting
(2) - KatyKimFanClub,
penguinpower


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KatyKimFanClub
(3) -
iamveryhappy
,
skygazer
,
penguinpower

kittytacky
(2) -
random nurse
, OopsieDaisy
random nurse
(2) -
kittytacky
, Elements

Not Voting
(2) - KatyKimFanClub,
deltabreedy


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KatyKimFanClub
(3) -
iamveryhappy
,
skygazer
,
penguinpower

random nurse
(2) -
kittytacky
, OopsieDaisy
kittytacky
(1) -
random nurse

deltabreedy
(1) - Elements

Not Voting
(2) -
deltabreedy
, KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub
(3) -
iamveryhappy
,
skygazer
,
penguinpower

iamveryhappy
(3) -
deltabreedy
, KatyKimFanClub, OopsieDaisy
random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky

kittytacky
(1) -
random nurse

deltabreedy
(1) - Elements

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iamveryhappy
(3) -
deltabreedy
, KatyKimFanClub, Elements
KatyKimFanClub
(2) -
skygazer
,
penguinpower

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky

kittytacky
(1) -
random nurse

OopsieDaisy
(1) -
iamveryhappy


Not Voting
(1) - OopsieDaisy

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deltabreedy
, KatyKimFanClub, Elements,
penguinpower
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KatyKimFanClub
(1) -
skygazer

random nurse
(1) -
kittytacky

kittytacky
(1) -
random nurse

OopsieDaisy
(1) -
iamveryhappy
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Post Post #954 (isolation #181) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:11 am

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looking at this, i'm still thinking it's kkfc and oopsie. oopsie unvoted kkfc when they were placed to E1 and proceeded to back both kkfc counterwagons (random nurse / iavh). if elements were scum with kkfc, they weren't doing a very good job at fueling counterwagons. if oopsie and elements were scum together i don't see much reasoning for oopsie to hop off of kkfc other than trying to appear townie.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #182) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:12 am

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i'll need to think a bit more on elements vs kkfc. i think oopsie is always scum here though.
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Post Post #956 (isolation #183) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:16 am

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gah i second guess myself too much
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Post Post #959 (isolation #184) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:47 am

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i guess what it comes down to for me at the moment is oopsie and kkfc don't really seem to be approaching each other that naturally in their isos. oopsie devoted a lot of words to justifying their kkfc read. they even admitted here that they might look better from a kkfc flip which makes me think they had distancing on the mind:
In post 721, OopsieDaisy wrote: and kkfc is a very selfish flip that imo tells us a lot about the game (helps me solve slots like el, or pp/skygazer who were pushing there. obvs for others it might help sort me too cause i was also on that push)
there's also the fact that oopsie seemed to give up on their kkfc scumread d2 but shifted back onto them with little explanation when pressured to vote. i think oopsie's RN read also felt kind of tmi.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #185) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:55 am

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like oopsie spent a lot of time shading kkfc but didnt really commit or seem to want to actually push the wagon through
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Post Post #963 (isolation #186) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:06 am

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is there anything that made you lose your PP suspicions besides the crumb?
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Post Post #966 (isolation #187) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:10 am

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In post 961, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 960, Skygazer wrote: like oopsie spent a lot of time shading kkfc but didnt really commit or seem to want to actually push the wagon through
I did want to push it through end of Day 2 but no one else was.
you laid down your first kkfc vote 48 hours before deadline (after singing a tune about how your read had changed on them) and didn't do any real pushing. when kkfc got some strong pressure on them day one you jumped ship for two townie wagons (rn / iavh).
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Post Post #968 (isolation #188) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:12 am

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In post 964, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 963, Skygazer wrote: is there anything that made you lose your PP suspicions besides the crumb?
What PP suspicions?
ah misrembered how that went down
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Post Post #970 (isolation #189) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:13 am

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In post 836, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 835, PenguinPower wrote: I meant vote, but thanks
VOTE: KKFC
In post 850, OopsieDaisy wrote: Oh shit there's only 20 hours left
you could have done some pushing or solving between these posts but there was just radio silence
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Post Post #971 (isolation #190) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:15 am

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granted that was like "the weekend" but idk
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Post Post #974 (isolation #191) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:38 am

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hmm fair points
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Post Post #985 (isolation #192) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:24 am

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i will recalibrate tomorrow
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Post Post #986 (isolation #193) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:51 am

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to anyone else with hulu or disney plus: apparently that comes with espn+ and i couldve had these games on in the background the whole time
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Post Post #987 (isolation #194) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:51 am

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wronggggg thread
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Post Post #991 (isolation #195) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:36 pm

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hi kitty
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Post Post #992 (isolation #196) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:36 pm

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talk to me about your katy town read
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Post Post #993 (isolation #197) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:41 pm

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i could probably go for oopsie / elements tbh. i want to revisit with a fresher mind but kkfc's posts on this page seem townie and reminded me why i started townreading them a bit d2.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #198) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:42 pm

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and your reads have been better than mine so sheeping might just be the way to go tbh
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Post Post #995 (isolation #199) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:44 pm

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In post 950, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 949, Skygazer wrote: i feel like half of the words in oopsie's iso are dedicated to KKFC
I have an obsession :3
this kinda feels like a post that is made in a oopsie/elements world tbh

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