Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

[InsidiousLemons]

VOTE: mykonian for not remembering toolenduso. HOW COULD YOU?

[InsidiousLemons]

VOTE: Taly

This isn't a RVS vote at all either.

Would you like to explain your vote? Since it isn't RVS?

Seconded. I'd like to hear this reasoning.

[InsidiousLemons]

VOTE: mykonian for not remembering toolenduso. HOW COULD YOU?

@Aquanim and pisskop Why is this scummy to you?

For my part, I don't see how this post (#17) was intended to drive forward discussion at all, and I think the thread had advanced to a point where making such a post was possible.

Point out to me one post before #17 that could possibly produce anything of substance. From what I see, there were a few random votes, an introduction, and a "reaction test" mod vote that did nothing.

[InsidiousLemons]

Something could have been made of my revote for Aeronaut or Mykonian's introduction. Alternatively you could have made a more interesting RVS to provoke discussion

(a third vote for eektor would have done the trick, I expect.)

Fair enough. Bandwagons generally generate information and this was a missed opportunity.

Something could have been made of my revote for Aeronaut

or Mykonian's introduction. Alternatively you could have made a more interesting RVS to provoke discussion (a third vote for eektor would have done the trick, I expect.)

Care to explain that, by the way, now you've brought it up?

[InsidiousLemons]

UNVOTE: mykonian
VOTE: Aquanim

[InsidiousLemons]

I'm liking Aquanim a fair bit more now.
UNVOTE: Aquanim
Not loving eektor, he's been posting fairly frequently but briefly and without much substance, mostly just agreeing with other people. He hasn't been doing much hunting.
Don't know how I feel about Taly. I think I like him, for the most part.
I don't like Metal, at least not much. A meaningless RVS vote and an immediate retraction with an apology is fishy, to say the least. It eliminates the possibility of a reaction test and, while it could just be chalked up to laziness, apathy is at best a null tell. Seems scummy to me.
VOTE: Metalcyanide

This is L-1.

[InsidiousLemons]

I'm liking Aquanim a fair bit more now.
UNVOTE: Aquanim
Not loving eektor, he's been posting fairly frequently but briefly and without much substance, mostly just agreeing with other people. He hasn't been doing much hunting.
Don't know how I feel about Taly. I think I like him, for the most part.
I don't like Metal, at least not much. A meaningless RVS vote and an immediate retraction with an apology is fishy, to say the least. It eliminates the possibility of a reaction test and, while it could just be chalked up to laziness, apathy is at best a null tell. Seems scummy to me.
VOTE: Metalcyanide

This is L-1.

How does a vote and retraction take away from a reaction test. If I say so I've gotten a couple good reactions.

Like putting someone at L-1 when another person is counter claiming a cop role.

Hard scum read on InsidiousLemons, but not a target right now I want to hear from TheDude about the counter claim and more from mykonian

Also, is there a list of the roles in this game I can't seem to find it.

The cop counterclaim was clearly a joke. Just look at the tone of the post.
And no, this isn't an open game. We don't know what roles there are and how many.

[InsidiousLemons]

And you apologized immediately. You played it off as a mistake regardless of what it actually was, and thus somewhat detracted from the range of possible reactions. It doesn't add up.

[InsidiousLemons]

counterclaim

one shot pre-game cop. TheDudeisscum.

vote thedude

on a more serious note

, I don't like eektor.

Is this the one you're referring to? Because this is not a serious counterclaim. Like, intrinsically.

[InsidiousLemons]

I investigated Mykonian in pre-game and he is scum:

Vote: Mykyonian

counterclaim one shot pre-game cop. TheDudeisscum.

vote thedude

on a more serious note, I don't like eektor.

So you think I'm scummy but instead of voting for me, you chose to continue with an RVS vote?

You nailed it.

I'm getting tunnel vision on Metal. Why are you continuing with RVS when there are better voting options?

[InsidiousLemons]

Wait a minute I fucked up. Metal is not at L-1. Not even close.

[InsidiousLemons]

Nope. Although the fact he didn't notice does suggest he's not worried about getting lynched, which could be a point for towniness. Again, could be apathy, so it doesn't really affect my read on him, but it's an interesting piece of information nonetheless.

[InsidiousLemons]

Unless you're planning some sort of reaction test trap thing, I see no reason not to share your reads with town. Why keep information that could be freely available, unless you're trying to get him to keep doing what you dislike in some effort to pin him as scum?

[InsidiousLemons]

Awwww, it seems I missed casting RVS. Screw it - VOTE: Pisskop he's the only one I've played with before obviously has to be scum because of that

Why are you trying to bring us back to RVS...

Because I always miss RVS and I was still reading what was going on....sorry UNVOTE: Pisskop

I really, really hate this... You're bowing to pressure here quite quickly, and apologizing and unvoting immediately. That looks like you're trying way to hard to fit in.

FOS: Metal

So, Metal/Taly both worthy of my votes and since there's no one on Taly

VOTE: metalcyanide

Why is Taly worthy of your vote?

Your RVS vote is still on Eek and Metal is at L-3, by my count. Unless you have adequate reason to keep your vote on eek I'd suggest putting it somewhere more valuable instead of just FOS'ing Metal with an RVS vote on the table.

[InsidiousLemons]

Then why is your vote still on eek? You've made no argument or comment for or against him.

[InsidiousLemons]

@Aeronaut because, while I accept you may not have reason to vote anyone else, I wanted to know if you HAD reason to vote eek. If there are reasons for a vote I like to know them in case it's enough to sway me to jump on the wagon. It's fine if you don't have a read, I just wanted to see if you did.

[InsidiousLemons]

What's the point of unvoting? Same to you Taly and metalcyanide.

None, I could have left it there and still said sorry but it was a nothing vote so I unvoted. Hell even the sorry was just an olive branch that I think some scum are using as a weapon.

Post by Elyse » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:33 pm

@Metal
How many games have you played onsite?

2 games. I played in one full game that just completed and replaced into one that is ongoing but died quickly in.

This is town. I've pushed hard enough.
UNVOTE:

[InsidiousLemons]

@Aeronaut because, while I accept you may not have reason to vote anyone else, I wanted to know if you HAD reason to vote eek. If there are reasons for a vote I like to know them in case it's enough to sway me to jump on the wagon. It's fine if you don't have a read, I just wanted to see if you did.

@IL I'm curious to know what your reasons you have on me before you latch on to someone else's opinion. I'm also wondering why you are pushing hard the metal wagon and yet now trying to find a reason to jump off?

Not trying to find a reason to jump off, though I just did. I wanted to see if there were better reasons to be on a different wagon. No point in tunneling one person.

[InsidiousLemons]

How does a vote and retraction take away from a reaction test. If I say so I've gotten a couple good reactions. Like putting someone at L-1 when another person is counter claiming a cop role.
Hard scum read on InsidiousLemons, but not a target right now I want to hear from TheDude about the counter claim and more from mykonian

Also, is there a list of the roles in this game I can't seem to find it.

Ok I'm thinking that scum would have more insight into the game and know that this isn't open. So I'm leaning town on metal at the moment.

Quick question metal, how many games have you played onsite?

I missed this before, caught it while rereading. Very good point, I probably didn't need to push that Metal wagon as hard as I did. Still glad I did though.

[InsidiousLemons]

Its a good vote on a bad push. After a bad RVS

To what are you referring in this post? And what do you mean by a "good vote on a bad push"?

[InsidiousLemons]

It was intended to put pressure on you. Perhaps a rash move but I doubt we'd get a quickhammer on page, what, 3? Even from scum it seems unlikely as they'd probably get lynched on the next day assuming you're town, and you've sinced satisfactorily given explanation for everything.

[InsidiousLemons]

Perhaps. In hindsight, as I said, it was a regrettable decision, and could've come back to bite me, but you were never at L-1 regardless and it worked out. Certainly not an optimal play but I'd hope you can realize it's stupidity and not malice.

[InsidiousLemons]

Stupidity is perhaps not the right word; as I said I don't regret it. Rashness is probably a more apt term.

[InsidiousLemons]

I'm going to hold it against you but lets see how everything else goes.

For now time to get more information out of others.

Vaguely encouraging others probably isn't the best way to accomplish that
Ninja Edit: Yeah what he said

[InsidiousLemons]

I don't know if scumMetal would

necessarily

know or not know that there was a list of roles, but it is just one example of many in his ISO of him making posts that don't look calculated at all, which given his amount of experience I would kind of expect that they would be. Rather he's playing things very off-the-cuff and doesn't really appear to be trying to make himself look good, so he looks towny to me.

This post from Taly, however, does come across as a little worried about how he looks and a tad calculated. Worth pushing right now IMO.

VOTE: Taly

@Metal, I don't understand your scumread on Lemons.

@Myko, do you see anybody worth pushing yet?

Do you have any questions you would want to ask me?

I do, why did you feel the need to defend yourself so vigorously and repetitively? Those 2 paragraphs could have just as effectively been condensed into a few sentences, and they look panicked as hell. I'm not necessarily insinuating that you're scum but unless you're a generally defensive player I want to know why you've been so apprehensive.

@Metal, I don't understand your scumread on Lemons.

What's part? I'm looking at a failed L-1, a hard push because of my first 2 posts, and a reaction test that wasn't a reaction test. It looks scummy as hell. If it really was just bad play it was really bad play.

A failed L-1 because of me sucking at math, a hard push because, honestly, did you see anything else to push? The game needs direction and town needs information so I figured I'd at least try and provide both. And by the reaction test I assume you mean the failed L-1. You're making two points look like three.

[InsidiousLemons]

No personal offense, but your wording and redundancy wasn't exactly excellent, which gives of an air of having rushed through your defense. It might just be the way you write, but your other posts, like 114 and 65, seemed much more level-headed. I especially note that you are much better at telling your opinions of others than at defending yourself, which seems a bit off especially considering that 114 is directly after your defense post, 113. I can't speak to your meta as we can't discuss ongoing games, but your apprehension in your defense is something to note. Inviting questions and giving reads is good. I'll withhold my vote for now.

[InsidiousLemons]

Not really. I don't have much of a case for anyone right now, and I'd like to see what those who are presently offline make of recent posts. Your vote's honestly fine on me right now, to suggest voting anyone else would be hypocritical and you don't seem like the type to unvote without revoting. I'm gonna head to bed now, I'll likely catch up and read a teensy bit in the morning and properly post in the afternoon. See ya.

[InsidiousLemons]

Alright, I'm gonna say one last time I wasn't looking for an excuse, I was looking for a reason. People accuse me of pushing too hard so I back off a bit and try not to tunnel. Metal explains his shit, Elyse makes some good points, I back off.
I'm more bewildered than anything by TheDude, and I'll have to take a look at the two eek's mentioned as well as a few other ISO's as oddmusic at least has apparently been flying under the radar according to eek, but I'm running out of time and I have to leave for school. I'll analyze a bit further this afternoon.

[InsidiousLemons]

Okay back now. Looking over oddmusic's ISO, you guys are right in that he's been quite noncommital, though I'd argue we're all a bit guilty of that, if not just me. However, one thing I did find interesting:

Responding (a bit) to eektor's scumread on me in 146.

I'll admit, I haven't been as active in this game as I'd like because I'm having trouble getting a feel for this game in particular. I'm not exactly sure what it is either.

And please, mention me, ask me questions! I need some way to get a foothold in this game.

Asks to be questioned and mentioned, citing lack of focus on the game. A bit flaky but we're only a few real life days into the game so nothing horribly out of the ordinary.

So admitting that I'm a bit lost is a scumclaim? Because town is of course, always on top of everything and only the evil scum ever say they don't know what's going on. Because they're evil. And stuff. /sarcasm.

No, but seriously, what the fuck?

pedit: Because people sometimes read sarcastic posts seriously. And I don't feel like explaining that I'm being sarcastic after the fact. And could you be trying any harder to come up with random reasons to scumread me?

When attacked, immediately loses his head. This is like the mafia version of a temper tantrum, and even if Radiant's post was a bit confusing there's no real reason for him to become so aggressive so quickly. This instantaneous change from politeness to flippant rage at being attacked is fishy.
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Reading over mykonian's posts has been... strange. He's been playing politely meek, and I don't really get his reasons for keeping his vote on TheDude, especially while actively maintaining that it is indeed an RVS vote. This post in particular rubs me the wrong way, as it's such a change of pace from his normal posting style. I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I'll let the feel of the post speak for itself.:

I investigated Mykonian in pre-game and he is scum:

Vote: Mykyonian

counterclaim one shot pre-game cop. TheDudeisscum.

vote thedude

on a more serious note, I don't like eektor.

So you think I'm scummy but instead of voting for me, you chose to continue with an RVS vote?

You nailed it.

He's being very friendly but isn't really doing much of substance. He's mostly null for now, leaning scum.
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The last person I wanted to ISO, toolenduso, has had 3 posts so far, only one of which was post-RVS. That would explain my inability to get a read on him, and thus my motivation to ISO him. A bit of scumhunting in 121 I guess, could definitely contribute more. I'd like to see how his play unfolds.

[InsidiousLemons]

And could you be trying any harder to come up with random reasons to scumread me?

You voted me, which theoretically means that you think I'm scum, but when I vote you back your first response is that I'm "coming up with random reasons to scumread" you, not that I'm defensive scum which implies that you think I'm town, but you have me voted which means otherwise.

This forms a contradiction.
.*. Music is scum. QED[/quote]
I have a feeling this is improper wording more than anything. A scumread doesn't necessarily come from town, it could be a fake scumread. This is a bad point IMO.

[InsidiousLemons]

^Messed up the quote tags, this was Radiant's post.

[InsidiousLemons]

VOTE: oddmusic
I meant to do that before at the end of my analysis post. Oddmusic is probable scum IMO.

[InsidiousLemons]

as it's such a change of pace from his normal posting style

Please educate me. You don't me that well from 3 posts.

You just normally seem so cheery and friendly, that to respond to an incredulous question like that without really divulging anything or even offering an explanation as to

why

you aren't divulging anything is in contrast to what I've seen of how you post from the brief time I've spent playing with you. I'm aware it's hard to tell tone in text, but it seemed as though you almost expected it to be a perfect, sufficient explanation. With that said, why

did

you keep your RVS vote?

[InsidiousLemons]

What the actual fuck? You're not going to convince us of anything if you're not willing to justify your actions.

[InsidiousLemons]

I don't really have a solid reason to think Aero's town. However, I don't have any solid reason to believe the reverse, either. There are better D1 lynches.

[InsidiousLemons]

And there we have it, I was getting a flaky, vague town read on him. I think we can let this go until a bit after the replacement arrives, yes?

[InsidiousLemons]

Radiant, I'm sorry, it's late, I'm not thinking very critically right now. At some point soon would you mind consolidating your thoughts on Aqua into one post? This janky argument style is hard for me to keep up with right now.

[InsidiousLemons]

I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that oddmusic has been online and posting in multiple other parts of the forums instead of defending himself or scumhunting in the hours since his last post. Things are not looking tremendously great for him right now.

[InsidiousLemons]

I think it's because you use way too many commas and run-on sentences.
This:

Me re-iterating that I'm honest and open in defense, trying to justify that my actions were town motivation - is why I insisted on my openness to the subjects so far.

is unreadable to me.

And you are saying that mykonian's explanation was the reason you unvoted him.

What I am saying is that you are lying because you didn't unvote him immediately after that post. You posted three times in between, and only unvoted after I pressured you. I think you got nervous when I pressured you, backed off your push on myko, and retroactively justified it by saying his explanation was sufficient.

Well I did back off a bit from pushing myko, though that was where I had been trying to get him to see my side on this.

OK, your interference did influence my unvoting at the specific time but that was when I was already thinking about unvoting because of what I've learned of myko at that point.

Is that what you wanted to know?.... I'm feeling pretty crappy at the moment.

Gonna pop in super quick to say I don't like this post. We see a return of the panicky, defensive Taly. Also you didn't answer what you meant in post 232.

[InsidiousLemons]

Also I'm going to say from an objective, non-gameplay standpoint that if you aren't feeling good no one will fault you for going to bed and returning later tomorrow. Your health and wellbeing comes before mafia in all but the most minor cases.

[InsidiousLemons]

@Metal I disagree with their opinions and they're being a bit confusing as of late but I'm thinking town-ish. I'm sort of confused as it's nearly 1 here and I really should get to bed but yeah. I disagree with the Aqua case for the most part.

[InsidiousLemons]

Question:

Do you think posts coming from newer players are more likely to be defensive?

Especially in games like these where there is a lot more activity going on.

Perhaps, but I don't see how an active game would make a new player more defensive. It mostly seems here like you're trying to get me to say that your defensive posts were justified, which in my eyes they weren't, though your having been stressed does make that forgivable to a slight extent. I've been liking your recent posts a bit more though I still need to catch up a bit, but we'll see. I might post a readlist a bit later.
P-Edit: Huh. Like I said I'm gonna have to catch up a bit.

[InsidiousLemons]

Doing this in no particular order because fuck it I don't feel like organizing this well. Also I'm not even gonna attempt a read on the Aeronaut slot. Waiting for the replacement on that one.

TheDudeAbides

: He hasn't been posting much and what he has posted has been mostly needlessly aggressive and somewhat confusing. He's pushing I guess but he's posted very little and so it's impossible to know what he thinks of current events due to the pace of the game. Not inherently scummy but for the most part nothing constructive and fairly anti-town. He's certainly not helping much. Post 140 especially emphasizes this.
Verdict: Somewhat anti-town.
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oddmusic

: He'd been waffling a bit before and still hasn't posted a huge amount but I'm definitely liking his posts more now. He seems more focused and sure of himself, and what he has posted is solid. Not much to go on but I'm liking what I see for the most part, especially his last 3 or 4 posts.
Verdict: Tentative town lean. I hope to see more good things to come from him.
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Taly

: Oft panicky under pressure, as I've said before, and while this isn't necessarily a super bad thing I don't like how he's twice now sheeped another player. Once pressured to unvote, and now, three posts after his initial post on RC, he suddenly decides to go for the vote when Metal does. I don't like his play very much up to this point, and while he has done some good work I don't like how wishy washy he's being.
Verdict: Slight to moderate scum lean.
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Metalcyanide

: Good head on his shoulders, posts fairly regularly and with substance. Overall fairly good play, I like him a fair deal.
Verdict: Moderate town read. There really isn't much to say, he's a decent player.
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mykonian

: I agree with odd's points on mykonian, he hasn't posted much and what he has has been mostly useless and unexplanatory. He's being confusing but ballsy and drawing attention to himself deliberately (Post 76, Post 180), which is not typically what scum are wont to do. He's certainly a strange player and he's been fairly unreadable.
Verdict: Slight scum lean.

Question @mykonian

: Did you ever explain your personal reasons for immediately disliking eek's posts?
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Aquanim

: Posts often and makes good points, hunting, responding to questions. People, especially RC, are focusing a bit too much on his apparent correlation with oddmusic. I mean yeah sure I get it, they could be buddies, and the wagon jumping points that eektor had made are valid, but it seems more likely to me that Aqua just saw a point he didn't agree with and argued it.
Verdict: Slight town read. Conflicted feelings based on others' reads as well as my own reviewing of his posts.
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eektor

: Mixed feelings. Aqua makes a somewhat solid case about superficiality but he's been posting alright since then and I think I like him a little. I don't really know what to make of him overall though, I think I'm going to withhold judgement for a while.
Verdict: Null. No significant lean. Convince me, if anyone would like to try.
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toolenduso

: Barely anything to go on here. I'm working with 6 posts, only half of which were in the last two days. I like 260, fairly substantial, he makes good points. I look forward to his hopeful participation.
Verdict: Null, slight town lean.
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pisskop

: There's something to be said for brevity, and though kop's posts have almost never been more than one line, as he says, he does take positions and stances on things, pushes people and questions regularly.
Verdict: Moderate town lean. He's done good and certainly isn't doing any harm. In general, I like him.
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Elyse

: Elyse is almost boringly town. She's a leader, which scares me a bit as she could just be an extremely competent scum, but when your entire scum case for someone is based on

just how goddamn town

they are, especially on day one, it's a moot point.
Verdict: Town, until if and when evidence suggests otherwise. I'm quite confident in this one.
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RadiantCowbells

: She takes after my own heart, taking an unrelated plural noun and adjective and slapping them together to form a name. Perfect. Jokes aside, I don't know if I really like RC or not. Aggressive and headstrong, she's either a pushy towny or a regular scum. Still, she makes good points and drives a hard bargain, and I have to appreciate that.
Verdict: Null. There are scum lean and town lean aspects here so I'm just going to say "Null" rather than "I'm confused as fuck."

Phew. That took longer than expected. I'm pretty sure I've adequately collected my thoughts here, and I've decided I'm happy with a Taly lynch today. Even I was unsure of my exact feelings on everyone until this post forced me to consider every player individually, and I've come to the conclusion that Taly is at the top of my scum list.
VOTE: Taly

[InsidiousLemons]

eektor

: Mixed feelings. Aqua makes a somewhat solid case about superficiality but he's been posting alright since then and I think I like him a little. I don't really know what to make of him overall though, I think I'm going to withhold judgement for a while.
Verdict: Null. No significant lean. Convince me, if anyone would like to try.

Which posts that eektor has made since then do you classify as "alright"? This is a serious question - I don't see any. There's some not-spectacular reply to a post by Elyse and #278 which largely reads like rather basic reads already expressed by other people.

Note: the above vote puts Taly at L-2, by my count.

I said alright, not good.
257 is okay-ish, and the regurgitated reads, while underwhelming, are SOMETHING, at least. If nothing else we can use them later to make sure his opinions haven't changed unduly. And yeah, Taly's at L-2.
@Tool I tend to follow a wagon-jumping-esque playstyle. I push people as things come up, which is sometimes read as waffley. I get it, it's suboptimal play, but this game's been pretty fast paced and there's been a hell of a lot of things that have come up. It's part of the reason I'm pretty quick to forgive oddmusic.

[InsidiousLemons]

In the meantime, does anyone have any reason to think Aeronaut's town? If you do, I'd like to discuss it.

In hindsight I probably should've @'d him considering my post was five after this but whatever

[InsidiousLemons]

I didn't quote that to discuss with you, I quoted it in response to pisskop's 297.

[InsidiousLemons]

There isn't much point in discussing an empty slot now anyway, we can do that when the new guy gets here.

[InsidiousLemons]

Going to bed now, just going to say
69: Wasn't a fake L-1, it was a miscount. I'm done arguing this point.
206: In response to Aquanim.
223: It was late, I wasn't thinking straight, lazily asked RC to make a reads post specifically on Aqua because 1am me didn't feel like reading.

[InsidiousLemons]

On the subject of TDA:

He hasn't been posting much and what he has posted has been mostly needlessly aggressive and somewhat confusing. He's pushing I guess but he's posted very little and so it's impossible to know what he thinks of current events due to the pace of the game. Not inherently scummy but for the most part nothing constructive and fairly anti-town. He's certainly not helping much. Post 140 especially emphasizes this.

From my readlist. See you guys tomorrow.

[InsidiousLemons]

^RC made the point before about stream of conciousness posts generally coming from town, which I agree with for the most part, and 369 is another example of one of these types of posts. I'm not entirely convinced Taly isn't scum but he's certainly gained points with me.

[InsidiousLemons]

I don't really like how Taly is needlessly insisting over and over again that he is town. It kind of looks like overcautious scum. Also, a vague PR claim after having been at L-2 for a fair while is a bit odd. However, I'll admit I have been skimming a bit, sorry for the lack of posts recently, I've been super busy, I'll try to catch up and post some more soon.

[InsidiousLemons]

This is a lot to digest. I think I want to wait and see if this vig shot is in fact real before doing anything drastic. Vote stays on Taly for now, I don't really get why tool unvoted especially now that RC has stopped voting him as well but... god damn this is a lot to digest. I still don't like Taly though.

[InsidiousLemons]

Hey guys, I'm going to try to catch up for the second time. I am extremely sorry about having not been here for so long, but I'll stop apologizing and get to reading through the game. I will probably be caught up and coherent by late today or tomorrow.

[InsidiousLemons]

Oh shit. I'm in the hospital, even I'm not quite sure what happened. I'll update and try to post when I'm discharged, which will likely be Friday; I'm extremely sorry. This is almost exactly what happened in the last game I started.

@Mod V/LA until Friday.

[InsidiousLemons]

Oh

FUCK.

I'm back now. Came down with mono, directly into DKA and then a coma for several days until I woke up on Friday and was discharged this morning. No internet connection at the hospital. I'll use the night to catch up, assuming I haven't been replaced. I'm really sorry you guys had to deal with that, I should be back and active from now on.

[InsidiousLemons]

Oh

FUCK.

I'm back now. Came down with mono, directly into DKA and then a coma for several days until I woke up on Friday and was discharged this morning. No internet connection at the hospital. I'll use the night to catch up, assuming I haven't been replaced. I'm really sorry you guys had to deal with that, I should be back and active from now on.

DKA = diabetic ketoacidosis, I'm diabetic.

[InsidiousLemons]

Speculation on such things isnt going to yield fruit.

We need suspects. Not what-ifs.

I still like boon, hasn't said anything and he sheeped RC

Why are either of these at all reasons to like boon?

[InsidiousLemons]

I'm not liking boon right now, he's sort of worming around but I doubt I need to explain what I mean by that. His last few posts, as well as Metal's, are evidence enough.
@Pisskop: I'm essentially caught up, I have about 2 pages to go but I've been skimming the recent game as well. What would you like to know my thoughts on?

[InsidiousLemons]

Speculation on such things isnt going to yield fruit.

We need suspects. Not what-ifs.

I still like boon, hasn't said anything and he sheeped RC

Why are either of these at all reasons to like boon?

And also, IL, you've caught up? What are your thoughts? Id still like to lynch you.

WTF?! LOL, and he's voting me?

VOTE: Metal

Blatant, obvious contradicion? I must be missing something here.

Granted, I understand he probably means he still likes the idea of lynching me.

Boon, you are the laziest scum I've ever seen. You skip the damn post which was 2 posts after that one where I say I want you lynched. If you flip town I'm going to be pissed and fucking recommend you be banned for playing against your win condition, if you are scum your damn teammates should be voting your weak ass for the same reason. Everyone vote this idiot please or Pisskop just shoot the fucker.

This post sums up my feelings pretty nicely, if a bit angrily.
Also I quite dislike this exchange from Boon's end:

This is Obv TownBoon. Just saying. I'm super active as scum.

And you couldn't decide as scum to lurk, do nothing useful, and fake your "obvious town" meta because...

that's no fun...

Yeah, I'm usually super active. I have different levels of activities. I replaced into this game, remember that. I would have probably been really active if I started in the beginning. There's also games where I don't post as much. I just haven't figured out how to insert myself. When I do, you'll know. When I legitimately gain a scum read, i'll start to epic tunnel.

[InsidiousLemons]

Well, I briefly had a look at a =24184&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]scum and =24184&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]town game of yours... and found you were far more active in both, even day 1.

Boonskiies, in general how much do you care about winning when you roll town?

This post should have been included as well, my bad. I dislike Boon's immediate switch, after this post, from "I'm inactive as town" to "I have different activity levels regardless of alignment."

[InsidiousLemons]

Aaaaand I've been diagnosed with bronchitis. I can't do this right now, I'm sorry, if I stick around I'm just going to make the game worse for everyone by playing badly and posting sparsely. I'm extremely sorry to everyone, I won't try and keep playing games I can't be active in anymore. Lesson learned.

@Mod: Requesting replacement.

[InsidiousLemons]

Fuck. Sorry about any trouble we caused you.

It's alright. Just a bit of bad luck and a misjudgement of my own abilities on my part. Good luck with the game everyone.